The Syndicate

Wow, I suck.

Did I vote?

We really did cannibalise each other in this game.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Dom wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:I don't think you have searched every nook and cranny.
Care to elaborate or do you prefer being cryptic?
i just don't get why it matters who died before
Chances are now quite high that it doesn't matter. Daisy clinted at being Jack, who also died in the first game.

That leaves you as the only holdout. Do you believe that sharing is caring or do we need to clear out the armory in the hatch, tie you up, and make you talk?
I've given a pretty direct hint, but perhaps you should leave the "making people talk" to the people who know what they're doing.
That's how I interpreted this. Maybe I was interpreting it incorrectly and just got really freaking lucky, lol.

I just interpreted that as a hint to him being Sayid. Good catch if it was a cop hint.

I was so confident in my conclusions towards the end, too. I actually thought I had outted all three baddies

I was just looking for ghosts in MP that entire time.

Golden wrote:
G-Man wrote:Curious to know how they were able to kill Rico in the Hatch when they were all at the Beach.
Read sorsha's role!

Us being separated was just a massive red herring

So there wasn't even a baddie in the hatch?

just

my god

i sucked.

Spacedaisy wrote:This game was just so much fun for me, you don't even know...

I'm glad I decided not to trust you against my better judgement

insertnamehere wrote:

me right now

Of course my top suspects were all good.

Golden wrote:I think he was waiting for a CFD from the baddies to save someone.

insertnamehere wrote:https://soundcloud.com/user-183375310/the-chaos-carol1

spooky

Epignosis wrote:I just got off work.

How was work?

insertnamehere wrote:A tie, I guess.

We still don't know what would happen, right?

Bzzzzt.

I'll explain after the poll closes.

That thing isn't going to happen anymore.

It is a very fascinating thing. Maybe I'll talk more about it after the lynch.

Yes, a thing.

I'm waiting for a thing.

G-Man wrote:Can someone pass the popcorn? This is getting interesting.

We're stranded on an Island and the hatch blew up. For a dead guy you've got some real high expectations.

The bussing begins.

Well, we'll see.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not sure what to do. This has been a tough game. And we don't even have a single mafia flip so I hate having nothing tangible by which to judge interactions. I suppose I'll hold off on my vote to see what you all think, continue to mull over all of this, and make some brief time for this tomorrow, but don't expect anything from me other than quick phone posting while I'm at the airport or something.
I guess if I had to vote literally at this very moment, it'd be for Elo or Sorsha. I'm going to drop a vote on Sorsha for now.

Sorsha, please come in to this game and provide your suspicions and thoughts in length when you can. Thanks.
I don't like this vote. Aside from you, there are three hatchlings left; Me, INH and Eloh. If you're not bad, then you should know that there is a confirmed baddie among Eloh, INH and myself. Yet you're voting outside of us, where the probability of there even being a single scum there is unknown. You've been making the point that we're in LYLO more than anybody else and yet you're the one taking a risk by choosing the option with an unknown percentage of flipping a baddie, instead of the one where you have between at least a 33% chance.

I voted MP, and I think Eloh is your teammate.
Oh, I didn't think about it that way. I suppose you're right hat mathematically it makes more sense to limit my scope to the Hatch, but the problem is that we don't know where the other two (?) baddies are, so it's possible that all three were at the hatch (you, Elo, INH), but also possible that two were at the beach and only one at the hatch, making it better to focus on beach folks. There's too much uncertainty. I would rather focus on who is objectively scummy and go from there.

But if I feel about equally about Elo and Sorsha, I should have voted Elo due to the confirmed at least one at the hatch and since I was at the hatch, you're right. I wasn't thinking of that.

I don't think not knowing where the other two baddies are is a problem you need to care about when you have a one-in-three shot of lynching a bad hatchling and at worst a 0 percent chance of lynching a bad beachbody. I think you slipped up.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Props to whoever the baddies are in this game because I have no fucking clue who you are.

Neither do I. If it's not you, anyway. They deserve this win if that's the case

I'm definitely voting a hatchling, and I don't think it's going to be INH. So either you or Eloh.

Cool. If I'm right about this I'm going to buy myself something nice.

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:@Golden - did the baddies have BTSC while we were separated?
Can Golden answer this? Or say that this is something he can't answer?
The baddies did have btsc while you were in the hatch/beach threads.

Just so clarify, you do mean ALL the baddies, right? Not just whichever baddies were in the same location?

To break down my reasoning:

- MP was on board to lynch Eloh when we were separated into the two threads. Having BTSC, and knowing that there were two separate lynch polls, he would be able to co-ordinate with his team if he had a teammate on the other side to have them place a vote to save Eloh (by either SD or Sorsha), with hopes to lynch G-Man instead.

- MP has since avoided lynching Eloh both days since. I found both the DF wagon yesterday and MP's current vote to be fallicious for reasons I just underlined. I think this is justification enough to create the possibility that he and Eloh are teammates. I think MP placing a vote on Sorsha hints towards the fact that they are not teammates.

Therefore, I think MP, SD and Eloh are bad.

Sorsha could be subbed in as an alternative to Spacedaisy, but it's unlikely given MP's current vote.

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:@Golden - did the baddies have BTSC while we were separated?
Can Golden answer this? Or say that this is something he can't answer?
The baddies did have btsc while you were in the hatch/beach threads.

My proposed scum-team is MP, Eloh and Spacedaisy.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not sure what to do. This has been a tough game. And we don't even have a single mafia flip so I hate having nothing tangible by which to judge interactions. I suppose I'll hold off on my vote to see what you all think, continue to mull over all of this, and make some brief time for this tomorrow, but don't expect anything from me other than quick phone posting while I'm at the airport or something.
I guess if I had to vote literally at this very moment, it'd be for Elo or Sorsha. I'm going to drop a vote on Sorsha for now.

Sorsha, please come in to this game and provide your suspicions and thoughts in length when you can. Thanks.

I don't like this vote. Aside from you, there are three hatchlings left; Me, INH and Eloh. If you're not bad, then you should know that there is a confirmed baddie among Eloh, INH and myself. Yet you're voting outside of us, where the probability of there even being a single scum there is unknown. You've been making the point that we're in LYLO more than anybody else and yet you're the one taking a risk by choosing the option with an unknown percentage of flipping a baddie, instead of the one where you have between at least a 33% chance.

I voted MP, and I think Eloh is your teammate.

Quin wrote:@Golden - did the baddies have BTSC while we were separated?

Can Golden answer this? Or say that this is something he can't answer?

Quin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Good luck, Quin. What are you interviewing for?
A customer service role at a marketing firm. Not that extravagant but it's a good step in the direction I want to go.

Ah, so turns out me and the company have a definition of what 'customer service means'.

To them, it means door knocking for donations. Pass.

I'm back now, I'll get back into the swing of things soon enough.

Elohcin wrote:Good luck, Quin. What are you interviewing for?

A customer service role at a marketing firm. Not that extravagant but it's a good step in the direction I want to go.

I have a job interview this morning I need to psych myself up for, so I'll be in the thread around lunchtime. I have to finish my MP and Eloh ISO's.

@Golden - did the baddies have BTSC while we were separated?

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I did the same thing Eloh did, yet MP wasn't on my case about voting for him with my reasoning.

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Not a fan of the second half of this post. Feels like backpedaling.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
G-Man wrote:Constrained by dinner prep. My three baddie suspects are:

1. Sorsha
2. Rico
3. MP07

Voting Sorsha for now. Her use of roleplay has resulted in the lowest level of content.
How much content is really expected in a day one? Plus, you've been "suspicious" of me since I made my first post in the game entirely for what happened on the show between our characters.

I'm just looking for my son. You never answered me earlier if you had seen him.

WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!
If no one produces any game-related content on Day 1, then how do you propose we should find the mafia-aligned players?

Where is your vote going?

Any civ should be scrutinising this Sorsha post. It's a point of parity. Not terribly difficult for a baddie to fake, though.

Most of where I think MP's meat is is probably at the Day 1 CFD and the Day 3 not-really-a-CFD-but-still-felt-like-pretty-much-the-same-thing so I'll do a separate post assuming I survive. I don't know exactly what time day ends so I just wanted to get this out before night ended.

MovingPictures07, pending further reading.

Elohcin wrote:Hey Quin, Is everyone going to be orange-ish? I can't say that's a true rainbow

Probably.

I thought I'd be done by now but I've got to go and run some errands. Hopefully I can finish before night ends. If I don't and I'm killed tonight someone should follow up with an MP and Eloh ISO. And everybody else. Everybody should do everybody. Just like high school.

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I appreciate that he came right out of the gate with mechanic analysis and strategy. However, the fact that he's strategising around something before his question is even answered feels like overcompensation.

insertnamehere wrote:I guess the real quandary facing us is that if half of us go to the hatch, and half of us go to the beach, and someone from the hatch is killed, do we automatically clear everyone on the Beach? That seems like it could potentially backfire and be taken advantage of.

The answer to this question is obvious so I don't understand his motivation for asking it in the first place.

insertnamehere wrote:
Quin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I feel like it's best to be upfront, y'know, to help the group out.

So, I'm Hugo Reyes, and I'm a vanilla civ. Dudes.

Also, the numbers are bad.
INH, I think you were scouting for potential power roles. What say you to this assertion?
I'd say you're wrong. Singling me out for roleclaiming when a bunch of other people did it as well just doesn't make sense to me, dude. I, like, didn't try to force anyone else to roleclaim or do anything like that. I just didn't see a downside to admitting that I'm a vanilla civilian.

This response sounds genuine. I'd expect a more brash and over-defensive response from a baddie.

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I don't like this or his follow up to this. The vote isn't based on suspicion. It's retaliatory. Immediately after this post, I moved my vote and told him as much and for the next one or two hours after this he was active in the thread and did not reciprocate as promised.

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I don't like this at all. He doesn't talk to me, he just says he doesn't like it and leaves for the day.

He says he'd kill Rico if he was bad. Dead Rico. Some fantastic WIFOM ammunition.

In this post he paints G-Man's witholding of updated reads as much worse than it is and doesn't consider the benefit in that the information we get in the end will be higher quality. I made a post in my hatch ISO that goes into more detail.

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INH's list is coming together as a near perfect mesh of my own. I like that. I struggle to think it's fabricated to earn my favour, either.

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Contrary to Daisy, most of his posts suck. But I'm just starting to feel like I should trust him, even though he sucks.

Ongoing rainbow list:

Sorsha
insertnamehere
Scotty
Epignosis
Spacedaisy

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I like that she's being inquisitive. If she had a cover role maybe she wouldn't have scrutinised the issue so much.

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I had to get her to walk me through her thinking for this post, which was essentially that she believes Day 1 would be spent by baddies trying to scout for power roles rather than positioning themselves along with their targets. I agreed with it then, but now it just seems false because baddies could easily do both. If either MP or Daisy flips bad, I think the other is too.

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No feelings about 3 players, 2 of which are dead civs.

She spearheaded the beach thread, where she could easily have gone with the flow of inactivity if she were bad. I'd lean civ on it, but there's no strong reason for why I shouldn't see it as a baddie just trying to control the thread.

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I still don't like her DFaraday vote. Her justification isn't even because she suspects DFaraday, it's because she wants to be on a wagon with people she trusts. There were two hours between where she listed her intended votes of Eloh, Scotty or Sorsha and this was her only post in between:

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Disappointing. I don't think a span of two hours with one post of discussion is enough to move someone from 'Hadn't really thought about him' to 'I'm voting him', when her other suspects have been rationalised and talked about over the course of multiple days.

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This does put me at ease about my earlier worries slightly. You don't have to be involved in the discussion for your opinion to be swayed, I guess.

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My gut is screaming bad when I look at Daisy, but her posts make me think less so. My intuition usually sucks so I'm torn.

Ongoing rainbow list:

Sorsha
Scotty
Epignosis
Spacedaisy

Epignosis:

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I don't know how likely it'll be, but if we flipped either a bad Scotty tomorrow, I think we could clear Epi as town. I don't think Epi would deny his teammate civ-cred like this.

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Epignosis wrote:Living Hatch people:

DFaraday
Elohcin
Insertnamehere
MovingPictures07
Quin

The exchange between Elohcin and Quin gave me the impression that both are good. Despite my opinion about her, Quin's response wasn't to consider that Eloh is, in fact, good, but rather to latch on to DF's idea that we are teammates. Quin's justification for considering that idea is weak- that I should have been moved in some way by how Eloh considered voting Sorsha (i.e., someone on the beach and not in the hatch), but I'm not. Mechanics are not in the forefront of Eloh's mind. Notice how she keeps asking Quin that same question over and over. I say she genuinely doesn't know, and if she had BTSC, she could have asked that question in there, got her answer, and kept quiet about the matter in the thread. Instead, she's gone after Quin relentlessly. That says civilian to me, and I am more convinced about her goodness than I am about Quin's.

As one might infer, I am suspicious of DFaraday. In the Hatch, he stuck to the idea that someone was being saved Day 1, and he named G-Man and Eloh. Now that G-Man is gone, DF sticks to his theory and can conveniently default to Eloh for his Day 3 vote. Now he names me as Eloh's teammate. Not good, heroin-head.

Now MP...

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd also prefer to vote Elo over G-Man myself, but I'm not really sold on Elo being a worthwhile vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I feel tentatively OK about Sorsha's response, even though I find it ironic that she displayed a willingness to vote someone for RPing/low content. I don't really want to vote for her at this point either.

CFD on someone else?
...suggested the out-of-nowhere train against Soneji. G-Man was good, and if you accept that Eloh is good as I do, then this means that an evil MP would have no reason to suggest randomly jumping on someone else. If he is bad, it means he took a really unnecessary risk for Day 1.

INH was indignant about G-Man holding his cards to his chest and...that's about it. He didn't follow up on his Quin suspicion at all in the Hatch except to color the name orange. I have no reason to believe insertnamehere is a civilian based on any of that.

Of the hatchlings, I am most likely to vote DFaraday and least likely to vote Eloh or MP.

I don't think this is the most genuine thing I've read. For starters, Epi is a man of statistics, so I'll use my brain for once to make a point. He should have an opinion beyond having no opinion as to Eloh's possible vote for Sorsha, because there was between a 20%-60% chance that we'd lynch a baddie if we voted out a hatchling, while the chance of lynching a bad beach-goer yesterday was only between 0%-40%. So, yes. You should have had an opinion.

Additionally, he says that MP was responsible for the CFD on Soneji. That's false. I was. He's just the one who put the phrase 'CFD' out there.

Ongoing rainbow list:

Sorsha
Scotty
Epignosis

Sorsha is a female, there should be no mistake.

Sorsha

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Begins his Day 1 with Michael role-play. Doesn't really contribute much content in the early phase phase. The tin-foiler in me wonders whether he's got a power-role which made it necessary for him to do that. His shtick ended Day 2, so maybe going to the beach worked out for him in that respect. Or maybe he just got bored.

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Suggests there's a limit to how much content should be expected to be put out on Day 1. Yuck. I think she's taking G-Man's initial suspicion of her too literally. He was civ, and by all rights should have undoubtedly been scum-hunting, so there was probably something in your posts he disliked, such as your reliance on role-play which he covered later.

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Her decision to hold her vote when votes are changeable doesn't make sense to me. It's like she's just trying to avoid upsetting anyone.

Here, she has a similar opinion to Scotty in that she wants to look at the hatchlings for a vote. Good.

Nevermind. Her reasoning is less bullocks than Scotty's is though.

Ongoing rainbow list:

Sorsha
Scotty

Nevermind. Blatant contradiction.

Scotty

Starting my ISO's with Scotty; in some cruel twist of fate his lack of presence makes him one of the better looking people on my list purely by the fact that he hasn't done much of significance.

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The highlighted 'and I mean OUR' stands out to me. I don't have a strong opinion on it. It's just weird.

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I don't feel bad about his self-preservation vote. I believe I made a point earlier in the game that Scotty deserves a tentative town read for doing so because it was placed at the very last second and Scotty had basically no presence at EoD and could have easily just sat out the lynch and come up with some excuse if he were bad.

In this and his follow-up post, he's analysing the consequences of the lynch given that we're separated. His scrutiny of the fact that the beach buds should, by rights, be voting among the hatchlings is a good look.

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I think Scotty is good. His unexplained inactivity these last few phases hasn't helped supplement that very much, which I would not be particularly impressed about if he turns out to be bad.

My ongoing rainbow list:

Scotty

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:No, I don't. And I don't find your suspicion of me genuine in any way either.
How do you figure?

Why should I town read you? Honest question. Same goes to everyone else, really.

The turning point in your suspicion of me seemed to be based on a blatantly sarcastic post. I do not understand why you suspect me because you really only spoke to INH and then drew me as his teammate. I can't fathom how I went from a moderate town to moderate scum based on those posts.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I guess a better question is: How can I address your concern, Quin? What do you need to see from me to believe that I'm being genuine?

I don't have a checklist. Just be town.

No, I don't. And I don't find your suspicion of me genuine in any way either.

I've avoided a lot of questions in this game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm calling a baddie team of Elo/INH/Quin right now.

I've been gunning for both of my teammates almost exclusively since the game began? Okay.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:MP's gone from rationalizing everything he's been saying to just flinging accusations now. I'm going to go sharpen my knives.
What are you talking about?

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