The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:58 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:41 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:05 pm Lastly, if there were NO strexcorp baddies in Pikachu (still an assumption), Dom is clear of suspicion (unless 3P).

I think I've sorted Dom.

Do you agree or disagree with me?

I kind of tricked myself into associating roles with alignments, which is more or less a no-go in this game.

I don't think him pointing out the slip reflects badly on him, though.

Makes sense.

Doesn't answer my question.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:41 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:05 pm Lastly, if there were NO strexcorp baddies in Pikachu (still an assumption), Dom is clear of suspicion (unless 3P).

I think I've sorted Dom.

Do you agree or disagree with me?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:05 pm Lastly, if there were NO strexcorp baddies in Pikachu (still an assumption), Dom is clear of suspicion (unless 3P).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:35 pm I would not be opposed to lynching an OG Cerberite today. It gives us more information to puzzle out Days 1-8.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:47 am Very Busy This Week

Wont be around much
Still suspect DDL

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:05 pm Let me put this a different way:

If nutella was the only one that can expose a players role, truthfully or falsely, when she flips her target is fucked regardless because we just flip around the alignments for the true result. That seems unfair. I don't believe that this game is unfair.

Role madness mafia is not fair.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:28 pm I find that harder to believe, it's not in principle a pro civ power. The whole purpose of fake role reveals is that mafia gain something from it, what would town get from a false result.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:36 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:13 pm Lynched Speechuck tomorrow though.

I mean the guy gets revealed as town then we have another role revealed that explicitely reveals other roles as opposed faction. This is confirmation that Speed is bad. Of course, there are a number of ways where this could be wrong, but we should at the very least be strongly considering it.

Mechanical confirmation by host > whatever scumhunting method you like to use.

I like my suggestion. He's confirmed scum from the Limited information we have, so let's wait for more information.

What kind of information? How are we acquiring this information?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:13 pm Lynched Speechuck tomorrow though.

I mean the guy gets revealed as town then we have another role revealed that explicitely reveals other roles as opposed faction. This is confirmation that Speed is bad. Of course, there are a number of ways where this could be wrong, but we should at the very least be strongly considering it.

Mechanical confirmation by host > whatever scumhunting method you like to use.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:56 pm In any case, if we wish to avoid an NK we need to lynch.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:48 pm In light of the opposing LC/sig wagons on LCs 2nd lynch, I am going to leave my vote on DDL at this point.

I would rather lynch on thread based behavior than an info dump that is somewhat ambiguous, but that lynch makes DDL look bad as hell, IMO. Very seriously bad.

Linki @Quin you don't remember that? He defended him so aggressively and pushed hard for the Dom lynch instead. It's the whole reason I suspected him. Nutella flip actually made me feel better about Chuck.

You came in here suspecting DDL, do you still feel that way? Look at my post and sigs up above, that vote of DDls was shady as all hell.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:41 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:38 pm Here's the case against Sig, for those interested. Not sure I'm a fan of him going after his voters, even for ostensibly gameplay-related reasons.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:59 pm THE CASE AGAINST SIG

this is gonna have to be multiple posts because ISO’ing someone is fucking impossible on phones

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:51 pm Quick non-insanified explanation of my Sig vote yesterday.

I didn't like his statements on the haiku situation, it kinda felt like covering for possible liars.

I sided with Boomslang on the whole 70% comment. Thought it was weird, and didn't like how people jumped to sig's defense and attacked Boomslang simply for pointing it out.

Then there's his flippity floppity treatment of Sloonei which just felt disingenuous. TBH, I might end up voting for him again today.

To elaborate, he went from town reading Sloonei to voting for him to once again to town reading him to calling his posts scummy a couple hours later. All the while, he was accusing Sloonei of “flip-flipping.” He later provided some explanations that were more than a little half-assed, IMO.

Early in the game, he called Sloonei’s case against me weak and thought it reflected poorly on Sloonei.

By Day 4, he’s completely reversed that opinion, and considers me one of his top suspects because he now believes Sloonei’s early case against me was “good.”

He just hasn’t really shown any consistency in his reads and views, seemingly changing them depending on which way the wind blows. He hasn’t contributed much if any substantial content to the thread, and is by far the strongest candidate for today’s lynch, in my opinion.

He's still probably the closest thing to a scumread I have right now, although I'm not opposed to going with the newbies if they feel they have a stronger case.

You seem to be thinking sig not tunnelling is baddie behavior? That is fairly SOP sig iirc.

My baddie read on him was based on one post, but that was a hell of a post, lol. I actually suspect Sloonei for it as well. But given the LC lynch, and the likelihood that sig was likely a wagon to oppose the LC wagon on the Pikachu side (assuming the baddies have cross thread BTSC, which I can't see why they wouldn't), does that come into your thinking at all?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:38 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:27 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:18 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:57 pm This makes me feel somewhat better about Chuck, as it says the target cannot be on the Nutella team, and if bad, Chuck would most def be on the Evens. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was, well, there you go. But I seriously doubt there is more than one false flip role. Unless LCs power extended beyond death.

I do remember LC and Nutella speculating about whether the Nutella/Nijuu pairing was bad/civ, and about how that might work.

Pikachus, what is your recollection of the DDL/Nutella lynch? This was the final vote:

Dragon D Luffy
Voters: Epignosis, colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, DharmaHelper, Long Con

nutella
Voters: Dom, Dragon D. Luffy, S~V~S

Quin and sprit didn't vote.

DDL's oroginal role started him with a -2 vote, and every night he picked a player that also started the next day with -2. LC also had a vote manip role.

At first DDL was lynched, but the next day they announced Nutella had been lynched. We now know Nutella and LC were teammates.

This is mega confusing, hopefully someone else shows up to help figure it out.

But speedchuck's role was exposed as town. If nutella did that, doesn't that make him mafia?

But wouldn't he be on LC's team? Nutella was also on LC's team.

It's probably the first piece of evidence that supports there being two scum teams. Why does he have to be on the same one as LC and nutella?

Becasue of the "Saving LC " drama. That is the whole reason I personally suspected him in the first place. Why would he go to such efforts to save LC if he was on an opposing team?

I also just realized that the day killer, assuming the same person made the day kill here and also killed Nutella is the same person, is someone who went from here to there.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:27 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:18 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:57 pm This makes me feel somewhat better about Chuck, as it says the target cannot be on the Nutella team, and if bad, Chuck would most def be on the Evens. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was, well, there you go. But I seriously doubt there is more than one false flip role. Unless LCs power extended beyond death.

I do remember LC and Nutella speculating about whether the Nutella/Nijuu pairing was bad/civ, and about how that might work.

Pikachus, what is your recollection of the DDL/Nutella lynch? This was the final vote:

Dragon D Luffy
Voters: Epignosis, colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, DharmaHelper, Long Con

nutella
Voters: Dom, Dragon D. Luffy, S~V~S

Quin and sprit didn't vote.

DDL's oroginal role started him with a -2 vote, and every night he picked a player that also started the next day with -2. LC also had a vote manip role.

At first DDL was lynched, but the next day they announced Nutella had been lynched. We now know Nutella and LC were teammates.

This is mega confusing, hopefully someone else shows up to help figure it out.

But speedchuck's role was exposed as town. If nutella did that, doesn't that make him mafia?

But wouldn't he be on LC's team? Nutella was also on LC's team.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:57 pm This makes me feel somewhat better about Chuck, as it says the target cannot be on the Nutella team, and if bad, Chuck would most def be on the Evens. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was, well, there you go. But I seriously doubt there is more than one false flip role. Unless LCs power extended beyond death.

I do remember LC and Nutella speculating about whether the Nutella/Nijuu pairing was bad/civ, and about how that might work.

Pikachus, what is your recollection of the DDL/Nutella lynch? This was the final vote:

Dragon D Luffy
Voters: Epignosis, colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, DharmaHelper, Long Con

nutella
Voters: Dom, Dragon D. Luffy, S~V~S

Quin and sprit didn't vote.

DDL's oroginal role started him with a -2 vote, and every night he picked a player that also started the next day with -2. LC also had a vote manip role.

At first DDL was lynched, but the next day they announced Nutella had been lynched. We now know Nutella and LC were teammates.

This is mega confusing, hopefully someone else shows up to help figure it out.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:45 am I love the aubergine. I even suggested that we make purple the voting color!!!

Been travelling all day. At a conference for the week, but should be able to check in semi-regularly. But, for now, I sleep.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:43 pm LC DID make a remark about how Cerberus was gonna get annoyed that we (Pikachu) were hogging the lynches between poll end and post

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:15 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:21 am Well, when you put a bunch of blabbermouth know it alls in a thread (and no name calling here, I place myself at the top of that blabby arrogant heap) this is what happens, yes?

Sloonie was our only blabbermouth and he's gone now.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:31 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 am Yes I decided LC lynch was too easy and decided to throw shit on the fan to see what happened.

This was not a transparent attempt by a baddie to save a teammate from a TMI lynch, if that's what you are looking for.

Should I just be letting things go then?

I feel like it might not be the best reason to lynch, but unless we've got something else might as well roll with it.

The real question is did DDL's vote matter? Did it sway anything and like was his vote an obvious counterwagon. Also if you recall how many votes did LC have that day?

Since we can only assume from LC slip that scum has post tribe BTSC meaning they knew how the lynch breakdown worked. SO your scum could've just been trying to get the numbers low enough to stop the lynch for that phase. Which is also something we should look over here.

Since the day LC was lynched I was Almost lynched (I believe), so it would be beneficial to look over who voted for me with weak reasoning and maybe go for them if they're still here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 am Yes I decided LC lynch was too easy and decided to throw shit on the fan to see what happened.

This was not a transparent attempt by a baddie to save a teammate from a TMI lynch, if that's what you are looking for.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:39 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:36 am I think that's a pretty accurate summary, except DDL didn't vote LC #2 either. I suspect him for that, but I know Epi was very adamant about his being town and I town-read him, so I want to look at fresh meat instead.

That's right, I forgot about that. He voted DH, right?

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:00 pm Brief summary--or at least comments on the players who are still here:

We were really sucking at successfully lynching anyone. Until we had a unanimous vote on Marmot (including Marmot) during day 7. Until then, we weren't sure we actually could lynch anyone.

Jack was killed during the last night cycle, the first second death on our beach. He was certainly saying that he was civ (as you can read), and didn't have any real current suspicion, as far as I know.

There is lingering suspicion of Boomslang, leftover from the start of the game. Personally, I wasn't suspecting him, mainly because I didn't think that he'd nk niju. But, after LC's reveal, the general assumption here has seemed to be that there is more than one mafia (since he was identified as a member of the Evil Evens, and not just general mafia (implying more than one).

Wilgy has had a good deal of suspicion

INH has had ongoing suspicion.

Niju has has some suspicion, mainly because of an odd comment she made about not realizing that her early BTSC partner (nutella) was on the other beach. But she cleared that up, mostly. She's off my radar for the moment, at least. While I am not basing much on first roles, given the connection between her role and LA's, and the fact that the hosts have said that the first role and second roles are paired, my gut tells me that they are indy or neutral.

Sig had a lot of votes (relative) the other day. Then he was nk-ed. Suspicion of him has largely faded, especially since once he became active in the game again, his posts have seemed pretty civ. For some, it could also be because of his role--my own personal bias is that the roles tell us nothing about alignment and that we can't/shouldn't assume anything based on them.

There was some earlier suspicion of me, as per usual. Sloonei posted that he was no longer suspicious of me. No idea how sig is currently feeling. They're the 2 I remember mentioning it.

I have a thousand questions for the other beach dwellers. But, I need to go finish a paper that is due today and I should really finish that.

I notice colonialbob is listed as in this tribe, but he isn't on the poll. Have people been not on the polls in your former tribe?

linkitis:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:12 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:10 pm Hello, new people!!

Hi

R U bad

Nope.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:19 pm Hi Cerberii !

Does Nijuu have any clue who would kill her? Epi was obsessed with this trying to figure out who was bad day 2 based on Nijuu getting NKed.

Also how many bad teams you all think we have? I think two different kills, I think the day 1/3 kills were made by someone with a different mindset than the 2/4 kills. I was killed by the same (presumably) team as the 2/4 kills, INH and Scotty. I was moderately aggressive in lynching LC, so i was guessing they went for me for revenge.

Best theories on who killed who and why?

I don't think she ever speculated who would kill her. There was some initial conversation about it, but no conclusions.

I think we have 2 teams, personally. More than 2 would be unbalanced, and I agree that there is more than one mafia (as I said above). I also read the "evil evens" as implying that they kill on even nights.

We also had a good deal of speculation that the mafias are not complete teams. Because of ambiguity in the rules, which implies that one's first role is not necessarily aligned the same as the second. And the line "mafia players who have BTSC," which could be read that there are mafia members who do not have BTSC, there is some belief that some players join the mafia after their first role. Or are mafia who don't have BTSC with the rest of their team.

As for speculation on kill motivations, 1-Niju: no idea. 2-Scotty was reading pretty civ, I think, so kill was likely based on that. 3- Jack was reading pretty civ, as well. 4-no kill. 5-Sig-really weird target, since he had a lot of suspicion. 6-SVS-you commented on that above, the one nk from your beach. 7-Jack. My gut says that the mafia that I assume targeted him twice (both odd nights), either because he was a thorn in their side or because they had reason to believe or knowledge that he was civ.

INH was also day killed--and we're not sure what's up with that. It seemed like a civ-related ninja type kill, as suspicion was high on him at the time. Since he was the nurse (and glad you didn't infect anyone!), some felt he may be civ. But, as I said, I'm not putting much on the first roles in terms of assuming they are civ/mafia, and as it seems that someone can become evil during the game.

OK....I really need to finish my paper now...

linkitis again: Thanks for the clarification on your feelings of me, sig.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:40 pm I still believe I was killed since I was super laid back about getting votes and wasn't lynched even when there was like 7 or 8 votes on me, so they decided to kill me.

And no problem Lorab, your last post puts you more in the civ camp, I'd rather not lynch Boom either if I actually think on it. I need to look over Bloober post death tomorrow and perhaps INH.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:02 pm Ok now seriously

I'm on my first life, but second role because Golden goofed with a lynch. My first role was a vote manipulator. Opinions differ on whether that makes me look civ or not. Epi had a big theory proving I'm civ, opinions differ on it too.

Sprityo is 99% confirmed announcer. An announcer in a closed setup game is 95% civ. next.

Speedchuck is confirmed civ by the host. Unless the host is lieing hes a civ.

Nutella has BTSC with one of you guys in her first role.

Bob had a stupid bastard role that lied to use about being fated to lynch day 6. He didn't and instead forced Nutella to solve a bunch of soup can puzzles to avoid exploding.

Epi is in this game.

DH is in this game and he is really fired up about it.

SVS had the flu role from CC123. No, seriously, By miracle she managed not to get voted. She is freaking out about you guys want to lynch her for it, but imo she was acting unconfortable about it so I think she was a civ. Not sure about Role 2.

Quin had some mathy thingy that confirmed him as not mafia as long as no otyher vote manipulator roles existed besides me and LC.

LC went full TMI and got lynched twice.

Dom caught LC. People were divided on whether Dom himself had TMI or just luck. He was in the middle with a shit flinging contest with EPi that thankfully got interrupted.

Did I miss anyone?