The Syndicate

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:07 am I think if the baddies had been 2 rather than three it would’ve balanced out the setup more

Good game, scum team

Not that it really mattered in the long run.

Patting myself on the back for TH. Not so much for thinking it was Jack too.

god i hope its turnip head

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:34 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:05 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:02 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:55 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:56 am Don't know who to vote. I just want the person to have it to use just as a tool for breaking lynch polls tie, and announce it as such. . We could benefit from having a normal day instead of one dude having all the power.

I agree with this. I will vote for nova to get it.

Nova was definitely gonna go after Elo today if he had survived and/or got the flamethrower. Elo knew he was suspicious of her but she was townreading him anyways and then here she votes for him to get the flamethrower which is bewildering since he might have used it on her. I think she may have killed him

nova, a civilian, said he intended to use the flamethrower democratically.

I think you're fear mongering.

Yeah but he was going to democratically try to get Elo lynched. She's been his top suspect and she was aware of that. I dunno, if Elo is town I'd think she'd say something goofy like "well I ain't giving it to the guy who wants me dead! lol", idk, something like that. She played it cool tho.

still think you're fear mongering but ok

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:08 pm Oh cool Quin's awake.

hi

This would've been my first post coming in today if I'd gotten the flamethrower, fyi.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:02 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:55 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:56 am Don't know who to vote. I just want the person to have it to use just as a tool for breaking lynch polls tie, and announce it as such. . We could benefit from having a normal day instead of one dude having all the power.

I agree with this. I will vote for nova to get it.

Nova was definitely gonna go after Elo today if he had survived and/or got the flamethrower. Elo knew he was suspicious of her but she was townreading him anyways and then here she votes for him to get the flamethrower which is bewildering since he might have used it on her. I think she may have killed him

nova, a civilian, said he intended to use the flamethrower democratically.

I think you're fear mongering.

Since her cryptic string of posts seem to have the most attention right now, I'll put my thoughts in their own post

"I think you trust those you shouldn't"

I think she's referring to DH, who she had already and has continued to suspect in the open.

"We have 10 players left, should lynch INH and DH"

The first bit being a bit empty, but effectively criticism. The second is avenues for discussion, both of which she has not been shy in pursuing.

"Ratio keeps getting greater"

Agree that it's not particularly meaningful.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:23 pm Hey guys...checking in. Not sure who I'll vote for yet.

I wanted to note, because the kill rotates among the assimilated, they will know how many of theme there are which is an advantage to them. This was probably very clear to everyone but I thought it was worth mentioning.

I gave this an early town-read. I think it was more because I took it as an earnest attempt to deconstruct game mechanics. I maintain it but significantly less than I did at the time. What advantage does knowing how many mafia there are really give the assimilated, besides knowing when their next kill will come around? Word choice here makes it sounds like this knowledge is more valuable than it is.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:57 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:42 am [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine
because he hasn't shown up yet, so why not?

And what if he ia civ? That's a stupid reason to vote him so soon. Give the guy a chance and go after someone you think is bad. Unless you are bad and are just trying to get rid of people you think could be civ. Maybe that's it

Being Day 1, we know this isn't an attempt at defending a teammate. We can take it as it is, then: Eloh is calling Luna out on her shit. She reacts to DDL's Wilgy vote. Good look.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:01 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:08 am @Elohcin would you kindly tell me who you voted for the flamethrower yesterday and today since you avoided that talk all together?



As an aside it looks like a decent amount of people gave Speedchuck their vote yesterday but I can’t recall if people said the same about me. I think I’m the end DH gave me vote #4 or something like that? We should probably make a chart for reference

I ended up voting for speedchuck. I avoided the question on purpose. I wanted to see who would ask me specifically thinking whoever did, may be keeping a spreadsheet. Are you keeping a spreadsheet?

This is an empty gambit. Where were you going with this, Eloh?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:48 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:56 am
Eloh
Went after Luna strongly last DP
"And what if he ia civ? That's a stupid reason to vote him so soon. Give the guy a chance and go after someone you think is bad. Unless you are bad and are just trying to get rid of people you think could be civ. Maybe that's it"
"Not normally. And the weirder thing is that she came in right after you said that and began talking. And in her post, she says she voted Mac bc she didn't know who to vote for. I'm not sure I trust that or her."
"Then luna votes me bc of DHs reasons. I'd be surprised if she is good. I'm voting for her."
"Sure does. I would be surprised if Luna was civ. Everything she says seems so bad"
...only to not vote nor build a case against her this DP
Those who town read her, mind explaining how you guys have those read?

I was in bed when Day began. I got up, got my family ready, made some delicious eggs and cinnamon rolls, went to church, came home and made lunch, worked for a few hours, and now I am here. Some people don't ONLY have mafia in their lives. Give me a break. I will get to mafia when I get to it. But, I WILL get to it.

Town post. She lashes out at poutanko, the new player in this game. It carries on in two posts. I think that ethically, scum would put in more of an effort to reign in their impatience at stuff like this when they're talking to new players. Or at least scum Eloh would. I'd say judge for yourself whether you agree with that in reading Eloh.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:32 pm While I was focused on Luna, I also thought it was weird that INH was actually posting more than 10 words. Could that mean something?

Eloh's whole thing against INH is confusing. I've never known INH to have such lacklustre participation that what he's put out in this game is abnormal. He's certainly not a top poster, but I think Eloh has started down a tunnel here. When I asked her for more info she said it was his content, which I'd like to know more about.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:08 am I think the focus needs to shift. I think y'all truat those you shouldn't.

It's cryptic on its own, but it's not a standout from her existing content. She already mentioned suspecting DH who has been generally trusted in this game:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:31 pm For all of you wondering... I've been real with y'all this whole time. My thoughts/posts of luna were not fake. I am not often good with finding mafia. I really thought I had her pegged this time. Now that she turned out bad, I feel like I'm starting over and it seems a bit daunting. I really think nova is just a misguided civ, as I've said before, so I can't go after him. My gut tells me DH is bad and his whole "Do what Negan says" crap felt like a baddie trying to get control of the thread. I didn't mention this back when because I you all seemed to trust and do whatever thr hell he wanted. I may emd up voting for him today. But we'll see. We have time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:41 pm So each time a kill is missed, it can only be cause scum shot scum right?

So there’s almost an actual mafia at this point.

It could also mean inactive mafia.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:56 pm I would have probably killed wilgy. He doesn't usually post much or bring a lot to the table. No offense.

This is the most counter-intuitive answer to the question of who one would NK on Night 1. I expect more of mafia than an appeasement to the anti-inactive crowd.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:12 am

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:08 am I think the focus needs to shift. I think y'all truat those you shouldn't.

Such as?

We have 10 players and have yet to catch a bad guy. I am thinking DH and INH for now.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:56 am Don't know who to vote. I just want the person to have it to use just as a tool for breaking lynch polls tie, and announce it as such. . We could benefit from having a normal day instead of one dude having all the power.

I agree with this. I will vote for nova to get it.

There's a desire for democracy here. Thing is, I don't think Eloh is likely to be given the flamethrower so this could be an attempt to regain some form of control over the poll. Another interpretation is that she wants her voice to matter, but I think this is the first time she implies disagreeing with the whole flamethrower mechanic. Either way this post exists.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:33 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:31 pm Since mafia kills will be for reasons twofold (one, to kill townies, two, to find teammates), how do we take advantage of the latter? This game encourages scum to rely on their kills more than the lynch, imo. Scum have to hunt but hide their attempts to do so to avoid inadvertently lynching a teammate.

Does this make sense?

Sort of but you might be overthinking it.

Depends on how much scum would want to actually find their teammates. That's how a lot of scum get caught, is teammate interaction. They might be better off not knowing?

I don't doubt the typical active scum doesn't play by those rules. It's just that both kills so far haven't been what I'd expect from scum. Maybe Megaman is clouding me a bit there.

Since mafia kills will be for reasons twofold (one, to kill townies, two, to find teammates), how do we take advantage of the latter? This game encourages scum to rely on their kills more than the lynch, imo. Scum have to hunt but hide their attempts to do so to avoid inadvertently lynching a teammate.

Does this make sense?

I'll read Eloh and give thoughts. May as well do something today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:25 pm I have no idea what to do with Eloh. Half the time I help mislynch her, it's cause I think there's a slip or she's defending but I'm wrong. Half the time she wins as mafia, I thought she slipped or defended a partner and I let it slide. Like the one time I just tone read her, I thought she was town but I was wrong.

Does Quin actually have a good track record of determining Eloh's alignment? Would it still apply to SK Eloh? I never go back and check these things.

I did. Once upon a time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:08 pm So not burning Colin, DH, Quin due to townreading and probably shouldn't burn Eloh and Wilgy due to not having a clue on them.

So DDL, INH, TH and Speedchuck is probably my lynch pool. I do got that standard DDL suspicion but it isn't enough to jump on.

I'm not going to ask for an elaborate song and dance but I would like as many accusations and as much reasoning thrown out as possible, even for players I don't think I should burn.

@DrWilgy give me your power. I know you have actual insight and you keep signing up so I know deep in your heart, you wanna give it to me.

Also, who would kill new player? Who would not? I don't think Speed or Quin would. The new player is friends with DDL right? (Or was that Kara?) I don't think he'd kill them so early.

Also, even if it is mylo, scum might shoot scum tonight.

Linki: And I might even burn scum today.

I don't think anyone should get a pass for killing poutanko on Night 3. I agree about DDL though.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:41 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:04 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:19 pm INH never cares enough about a game to post as much as he has this game.

inh has 16 posts

it was his content.

in what way? which posts?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:19 pm INH never cares enough about a game to post as much as he has this game.

inh has 16 posts

(im also not talking to turniphead because i'm still trying to get the stick out of my ass)

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 1:45 am Why are you just now bringing up this concept Quin/DH? If it was such an issue the first day when it was occurring, why not make that point then?

I was about to ask TH this. Then I realised

"well, I didn't think about it either."

'fairness' in sprityo's day 1 choice means the same thing as pure randomisation. it's not town compatible.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:44 am Well my point being Sprityo's statement that he randomized between the non-voters and got Mac is a shade rank for a few reasons.

If one holds that Sprityo was going with the anti-inactive crowd so as not to ruffle feathers, Doc was the obvious choice so a Song-and-Dance around a Mac lynch seems unnecessary. But if he was genuinely concerned with inactivity, the logical pick would have been Doc. So the theory I'm gathering is that he picked Mac instead to head off what he anticipated would be a dangerous player once Mac got his sea legs.

i don't struggle to see a world where sprityo genuinely intends to burn a non-voter at the start of day 1, but sees an opportunity in the inactive mac and burns him using 'fairness' as a cover.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:34 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:30 am if sprityo is appealing to the anti-inactive agenda, why does he not torch wilgy who would be the obvious choice?

This looks on the surface like you meant it as a point in sprityos favor but what you're really saying is "Sprityo had a second agenda he was servicing."

im not anything in sprityos anything. i'm asking questions.

if sprityo is appealing to the anti-inactive agenda, why does he not torch wilgy who would be the obvious choice?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:45 pm I mean right now I'm looking for thoughts on sprityo. I think Jack brought up a good point about a scum sprit abusing the general dislike of inactives as an excuse to torch Mac early.

Jack could get torched for playing on the fringes but I want to give him a little leash and see what he does with it

I've got a few town reads that won't likely face the napalm end of this thing

If there's another popular candidate I'll put some pressure on them, I might try to rattle Chuck's cage a bit

mind that sprityo's thing was about non-voters, not non-participants. hence jack was on his list too.

but if I were going to burn mac, jack or doc, i'd have burned doc based on recent track record for participation. Town doesn't need

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:16 am To keep it fair

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:23 pm Quin you have a little over 3 hours to read what has been a very productive Day 2 and offer your thoughts. If you don't, why are you playing?

You can fuck right off.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:14 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:52 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:50 pm DDL and Quin I meant.

lol can't wait for you to not torch either of us to find out

Honestly, if I were to just consider my own gut and the evidence as I see it and ignore what everyone else has worked on today I would just torch you. You're here and posting (as I've shown) and yet you're not helping the town at all. You expect me or anyone to believe that in 2 days you have nothing to add but Yucks. Nah son.

I mean that's cool and all and you can do what you want but I've got no intention of fabricating my reads to please the big boss with the flamethrower

that's ignoring the fact that I've given far more Yums which you conveniently ignore under the pretense that they're worthless.

No you haven't and if you have please show your work. I don't give a rats nut about "HONKA DONKA I TOWNREAD SO-AND-SO" with no context or purpose.

sounds like a you problem.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:59 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:52 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:50 pm DDL and Quin I meant.

lol can't wait for you to not torch either of us to find out

Honestly, if I were to just consider my own gut and the evidence as I see it and ignore what everyone else has worked on today I would just torch you. You're here and posting (as I've shown) and yet you're not helping the town at all. You expect me or anyone to believe that in 2 days you have nothing to add but Yucks. Nah son.

I mean that's cool and all and you can do what you want but I've got no intention of fabricating my reads to please the big boss with the flamethrower

that's ignoring the fact that I've given far more Yums which you conveniently ignore under the pretense that they're worthless.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:50 pm DDL and Quin I meant.

lol can't wait for you to not torch either of us to find out

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:46 pm Quin is extremely apathetic but not really in a scummy way imo. He is not trying, and that could be for a million personal reasons. Scum normally tries to look civ.

Luna or Colin might be better lynches since they are actually trying, and whether that is legit or not is up to debate.

Thanx for asking

I've been phone posting mostly atm. My IP has gone to shit. Also it's cold and I have no desire to leave my bed.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:02 pm I'm with Quin. Townreading:

speedchuck
Quin
Elohcin
sprityo
DharmaHelper

Dunno about:
ColinIsCool
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
Jackofhearts2005
Lunalee
novaselinenever
poutanko
Turnip Head

Been busy but I'm ready to play today. Let me find someone to case.

I don't think I've done anything particularly admirable but

I mean I left a vote on you all day yesterday with the justification of 'you exist'

no comprehendo

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:28 pm My thoughts on Quin's ISO
Quin is the master of short, concise posts, and little opinions. Here's all I've got:
First he really, really, really wanted the flamethrower. okay, not AI.
Voted speedchuck for no reason what so ever. Really don't like this. It is a lazy vote, and looks scummy.
Out of nowhere says that his town core are Luna, Sprit, and Eloh, and refuses to say why when Jack asks for more information. Again, I'm becoming more suspicious of people who throw out "town core" reads instead of scum reads. That is super easy for scum, but a townie should be hesitant to trust anyone.
His immediate reply to the no night kill was to blame an inactive scum, instead of the option that one scum found another. Perhaps to look "ignorant" about what happened?

I feel like voting for Quin now.

Refuses? When did I refuse anything? Nope, never. No siree.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:31 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:55 pm Here's a lil something that will factor into my decision about who to lynch today :

Spoiler: show

Players ranked by post count:
DharmaHelper - 105
Sprityo - 74
TH - 38
Lunalee - 35
Quin - 34
poutanko - 31
DDL - 29
Elohcin - 27
Nova - 24
Speed - 23
Colin - 18
Jack 18
INH - 10
Doc - 1

Does anyone want to talk about why Quin has 34 posts (5th highest post count) and not a single suspect or read worth looking at?

here's hoping you're not trying to suggest I pull scum reads out if thin air, because you can shove that right up your bobba

I'm suggesting nothing amigo. What I'm saying is you've got the 5th highest post count out of 14 players and have not once in 2 Game Days made any effort to hunt at all.

bullshit.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:55 pm Here's a lil something that will factor into my decision about who to lynch today :

Spoiler: show

Players ranked by post count:
DharmaHelper - 105
Sprityo - 74
TH - 38
Lunalee - 35
Quin - 34
poutanko - 31
DDL - 29
Elohcin - 27
Nova - 24
Speed - 23
Colin - 18
Jack 18
INH - 10
Doc - 1

Does anyone want to talk about why Quin has 34 posts (5th highest post count) and not a single suspect or read worth looking at?

here's hoping you're not trying to suggest I pull scum reads out if thin air, because you can shove that right up your bobba

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:43 am @Turnip Head
@Jackofhearts2005
@DrWilgy
@Quin

Who did you vote for the flamethrower Day Zero? This is important

INH. I didn't vote anyone last night.

i want jack to case me

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:38 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 8:44 pm Lunalee Sprite and elohcin are my town core and if even one of them is lynched tomorrow I'm going full vigilante with the flamethrower kapeesh

Tell me about that yo.

Tone!

lol oops

also i very much want the flamethrower yes

also i very much want the flamethrower yes

if you think i'm forgetting that scum don't have BTSC,

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:03 pm The assimilated players are more like serial killers with mutual wincons than a true mafia.

Doesn't sound like they have power roles either.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:21 pm Quin comin' in here hot with the "Sprit townslipped and it got him the flamethrower so fuck it I'm gonna fake one"

quin comin in here to murk you bud

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:03 pm All players who are human are vanilla civvies.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:44 pm

ARCHIVE RECORDING NO.4

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No one has died.

It is now Day 2.

You have 24 hours to vote.

So. Where's our inactive?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:49 pm

Today’s lynch is going to be brought to you by King Negan. Here are the rules:

Everyone will case ONE person today. Pick one person, and build a case against them. You are required to vote for the person you case. This is first come first served, meaning if someone gets cased/voted for, you can’t pick that person anymore. That’s all you have to do today to stay safe. Literally that’s it. Here are some things that will disqualify you from safety:

1. If you case someone that’s already been cased without casing someone new first, you will not be safe from the lynch
2. If you vote for someone who already has a vote, you will not be safe from the lynch
3. If you refuse to case someone you will not be safe from the lynch
4. If you do not vote, you will not be safe from the lynch.
5. If you follow the rules, but I like the case against you, you will not be safe from the lynch.
6. If you follow the rules and make 10 or more on topic and constructive posts that I like, rule 5 may be waived.

Deadline to complete this task is 4 hours before EOD. At that point everyone who isn’t safe will be placed under my microscope and I’ll fuck up whoever I suspect the most.

no

Lunalee Sprite and elohcin are my town core and if even one of them is lynched tomorrow I'm going full vigilante with the flamethrower kapeesh

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:29 pm Elo vs Luna feels like town vs town

i agree except i didn't read eloh vs luna

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:02 am So should we reveal who we nominated at Day 0?

could be useful. i voted INH.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:42 am Everyone should be waking up on the east coast about now, let's get the ball rolling.

Be a shame to waste today's discussion

time for bed then haha

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:09 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:52 am Is it normal for Quin to be like this? I know some players who like to spite kill the other but he's a bit too eager to kill people for my liking

Your NF emoties don't show up here.

As for Quin he's... special like that.

they do for me and also what the fuck does that mean

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:07 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:52 am Is it normal for Quin to be like this? I know some players who like to spite kill the other but he's a bit too eager to kill people for my liking

Quin isn’t that kind of person. I think.

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fuck it

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine because i looked at his name on the poll and went yeah he bad

#cased

that is to say i don't have a vote in mind

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:42 am But yes Quin. Did you at least read my ultimatum? It’s vital to the state of the game afterall

i did but right now it means nothing to me