The Syndicate

This was such a huge game and I got to play with a bunch of people I haven't before, and I had loadza fun doing it. Thanks for playing everyone

I didn't really know what to do with my role, because from the beginning I didn't have anything specific to say that I wasn't prepared to say on this account. Early on I was just trying to gauge reactions, but I started to hint at who I was in hopes that the baddies would realise my role and that it wasn't particularly threatening to them and they'd keep me alive

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Awesome game everyone!! Sorry Quin I really thought you were bad. Lol . We did it JJJ thanks so much for the much needed help at the end.

I wasn't really sure what to make of you when you tried to get me lynched before, I just couldn't see a single reason as to why a civ would try it. I mean, at least fudge a real case

indiglo wrote:Also Quin, Strategist hi-5!! Were we the only 2 surviving Strategists?? We shall create our own family anyway. Harumph.

I thought for a moment that you might actually be the role checker, but I figured you weren't because you were saying Bass was bad, and I was under the impression you were wrong because of what 3J said. I figured since he had BTSC I thought that he was defending Aragorn and Bass based on that. I was half right, I suppose. I'm not sure what the whole Bass/3J thing was all about, they won together so it must have something to do with something.

Speaking of 3J, he really likes the word 'inspire'

It's what made it so blatantly obvious who Zuo Ci was

Thanks for hosting Epi, this was an especially complicated game

So happy this ended with a civ win. I feel like this was one of my better games

Still, sucks not to win in the long run, but my focus was always on hunting baddies rather than officially winning.

@glorfindel you praise me too highly, I'm blushing.

Got to vote in the next hour or so since I've got to leave for the day, so I'm going to vote Boomslang and DFaraday now. Let's hope Dong Zhuo is among them

Zuo Ci wrote:If it brings comfort to you, children, this spirit would consider pitting himself against the one called Boomslang. I fear that my influence would be lost if I am destroyed, and those who remain would do something unthinkable. I need pledges.

I don't think we're at the point where we need to start taking those risks. I still have a whole lotta names I'd vote before I vote you.

I'm also leaving Aragorn out of that based on Zuo Ci's testimony.

I don't want to get on a high horse and declare myself a confirmed civ, but my thought process right now is this:

When the day began, I was kind of surprised that I wasn't dead. Scotty had definitely cleared me as civ, and since indiglo assisted him in getting there I'd say she's of that opinion as well. The fact that I'm not dead makes me confident in saying that the SK is among Simon, nijuu, DFaraday and Boomslang. None of them were around at the time the interaction between Scotty, indiglo and I transpired. Their lack of presence thus far makes me think they're more likely to be skimming the thread, and it's likely that they missed it in their catch up (if there was one).

Really, I just don't see anybody who's been highly invested in the game choosing Scotty over me as a NK target.

Whether it's a 24 or 48 hour day, I'll still try to hold my vote until later on. I really don't mind, as long as we do spend the time we have talking about things. I have something in writing I'm trying to express, I'll share it in a minute.

I think Simon is probably the one I'm least likely to vote for out of my pool of candidates. For reference, that's Simon, nijuu, DFaraday and Boomslang. The latter three aren't really in any particular order.

I'm gonna listen to the messenger and see if anything stands out in yesterdays wagon that might give me a rainbow list for the SK. I tried reading back through people's posts to see whether anyone was overly focused on YT's, but that's incomplete and I'll get back to it today and tomorrow.

What I know already is that everyone who did vote (so basically, everyone except Simon) voted leetic yesterday. I don't really know what he'd have done and I don't think it's worth guessing.

I kind of had Scotty pinned as the alignment checker, but it really doesn't make sense. Unless it does, in which case, someone should tell me.

I think it's more likely they died early, because I've been looking through posts for sudden changes of opinion after a duel for quite a while, and nothings really stood out to me.

Zuo Ci, I think I understand why you're so blatantly pro-Bass.

I'll follow you to the grave, indiglo.

indiglo wrote:With these multiple votes, does anyone else choose their candidates, hit submit, and then have a half second heart attack while the votes are going through, like maybe you accidentally clicked the wrong person? I am such a nerd.

~Linki - if that is the case, then please accept my sincerest apologies.

I did that a few days ago

Done.

Aragorn wrote:I'm inclined to side with Zuo Ci here. So far he's helped town quite a bit, so it's safe to assume he isn't leading us astray.

I don't think he's leading us astray either, nor do I think he's super obviously wrong. I'm just questioning what we should be prioritising - the inactive YT, or the SK in the waiting. leetic is the safe choice, but we have the opportunity to look long term.

I'm not swayed to pick either side. I just want to see what people think about the idea, and I'll probably go along with the majority.

Epignosis wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Is this the longest game in the history of the site already?
No.

I guess we've gotta stretch this one out a little somehow

indiglo wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I don't understand how I only for the those two Indy roles? I mean looking at the three you have one leader one strategist and one warrior. So how did you narrow it down? I assume you looked at my battle record?
So you're saying you're 1 of those 3 roles?

PS - The Warrior had to choose a faction to align with after Day 3, so that dude is likely is no longer Indy.

maybe he's inactive as well

Epignosis wrote:There was a musician from a foreign land who was visiting and entertaining. He brought with him strange instrumentation and melodies that were unusual. He was even known to play for wine.

How nice of him.

indiglo wrote:
Quin wrote:
indiglo wrote:
Quin wrote:I've felt alright about Boomslang throughout. Never my top civ read, but a consistent civ lean. I did come to that evaluation quite a while back and he hasn't had the biggest presence since, though. Why is he orange in your rainbow list?

I put him there because I don't have any feel for him. And I kinda distrust that. I figured if we're talking about people we got no read on, I'd throw his name out and see if any of you had a feeling on him.

Also, the more I think about DF, there have been moments when he's done some type of analyzing, but all of it was pretty much incorrect, and (no offense buddy) but pretty obviously incorrect, even for someone who just entered the game when it was more than half-way over. So on the one hand, I felt like - oh good, he's trying to help! But on the other I felt like - um, yeah, no. Like it was an attempt to appear to be analyzing, when it really accomplished nothing. (Again, sorry buddy!)
I dig that. I'd GTH civ all your green reads and GTH bad your reds, as well. Isn't that swell?

But I'd probably GTH bad Simon still.

indiglo wrote:
Quin wrote:I've felt alright about Boomslang throughout. Never my top civ read, but a consistent civ lean. I did come to that evaluation quite a while back and he hasn't had the biggest presence since, though. Why is he orange in your rainbow list?

I put him there because I don't have any feel for him. And I kinda distrust that. I figured if we're talking about people we got no read on, I'd throw his name out and see if any of you had a feeling on him.

Also, the more I think about DF, there have been moments when he's done some type of analyzing, but all of it was pretty much incorrect, and (no offense buddy) but pretty obviously incorrect, even for someone who just entered the game when it was more than half-way over. So on the one hand, I felt like - oh good, he's trying to help! But on the other I felt like - um, yeah, no. Like it was an attempt to appear to be analyzing, when it really accomplished nothing. (Again, sorry buddy!)

I dig that. I'd GTH civ all your green reads and GTH bad your reds, as well. Isn't that swell?

I've felt alright about Boomslang throughout. Never my top civ read, but a consistent civ lean. I did come to that evaluation quite a while back and he hasn't had the biggest presence since, though. Why is he orange in your rainbow list?

Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:
Scotty wrote:Question:

How do we feel about DF as a candidate for SK?
I have been completely and utterly neutral about him this entire game.
Sounds like a perfect candidate then

Scotty wrote:Question:

How do we feel about DF as a candidate for SK?

I have been completely and utterly neutral about him this entire game.

The people yet to vote are:

Quin
indiglo
nijuu
Aragorn
Simon
Boomslang
Matahari
leetic

leetic's ...not coming, if he did I'd be surprised.
nijuu is likely going to vote self-preservation if we go this Bass/nijuu route

So we still have the potential to get those two in the lead if that's what people want to do. I'm still fine voting leetic, which is a safe bet I think, but it will trigger the SK.

Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:
indiglo wrote:Ok, so here's where I'm at. I don't want to vote Bass simply because of his past prowess at dueling, no. I have Bass down as 1 of these 2 Indies: The SK or the dude that recruits.

Yuan Shao
Strategist
Military strategist and commander.
Each Night, Yuan Shao will attempt to recruit a warrior (anyone with BTSC cannot be recruited). He may recruit up to three warriors (one from each kingdom). *Secrets*

So, my theory was to wait and see who, if anyone seemed to stand up for Bass when I declared my stance on him (as him being 1 of these 2 roles). I figured if there was much of a ruckus kicked up, it would likely be from his recruited warriors, which would then identify Bass as the Yuan Shao Indy. So that's why I was formulating a theory that perhaps Zou Ci was some how roped in with the recruiting Indy, and perhaps Quin, after standing up for Bass so vociferously.

To be clear, I have no problem with Yuan Shao or his recruits, I was simply using that as a basis for my theory of identifying which of those 2 roles Bass has. Ya dig?

The Serial Killer is most definitely still alive, because s/he has not lost a duel, and CANNOT be NKed. So no, Leetic is NOT our final foe, spirit dude. The SK is still out there FOR SURE, though we can hope s/he is inactive at best.

It's time for complete transparency, and this is where I'm at.

Linki, but I am posting and THEN reading. Like I do.
naw, I think it's obvious at this point that I haven't been recruited.
I think it's obvious who you are, but not if you've been recruited. How would we even know that?

I'm sure you can figure that out.

Yeah, I don't think the recruiter has a win-con incompatible with a civ win.

I hope this doesn't reinforce any ideas you have around me indiglo

indiglo wrote:Ok, so here's where I'm at. I don't want to vote Bass simply because of his past prowess at dueling, no. I have Bass down as 1 of these 2 Indies: The SK or the dude that recruits.

Yuan Shao
Strategist
Military strategist and commander.
Each Night, Yuan Shao will attempt to recruit a warrior (anyone with BTSC cannot be recruited). He may recruit up to three warriors (one from each kingdom). *Secrets*

So, my theory was to wait and see who, if anyone seemed to stand up for Bass when I declared my stance on him (as him being 1 of these 2 roles). I figured if there was much of a ruckus kicked up, it would likely be from his recruited warriors, which would then identify Bass as the Yuan Shao Indy. So that's why I was formulating a theory that perhaps Zou Ci was some how roped in with the recruiting Indy, and perhaps Quin, after standing up for Bass so vociferously.

To be clear, I have no problem with Yuan Shao or his recruits, I was simply using that as a basis for my theory of identifying which of those 2 roles Bass has. Ya dig?

The Serial Killer is most definitely still alive, because s/he has not lost a duel, and CANNOT be NKed. So no, Leetic is NOT our final foe, spirit dude. The SK is still out there FOR SURE, though we can hope s/he is inactive at best.

It's time for complete transparency, and this is where I'm at.

Linki, but I am posting and THEN reading. Like I do.

naw, I think it's obvious at this point that I haven't been recruited.

I don't want Bass votes to be motivated by the hope that he'll win. I want to see Bass votes motivated by suspicion. We're not so many in number anymore so it's becoming more unfeasible to take risks like that.

I think that if leetic was Dong Zhuo he'd have been replaced way before now. Probably when the last YT was still alive.

I'm completely prepared to vote leetic, because I think there's a very high chance he's the last YT. The only issue is that his death will trigger the killings of the SK. A way around that is that we take advantage of his inactivity and try to find the SK first.

I think we have enough votes to put both Bass and nijuu up against eachother, and that's a compromise I'd accept.

I could vote right now, but that'd mean losing time we could otherwise spend discussing this, so I wont.

indiglo, still think Bass is a good vote? Is it because of his survival history alone?

linki: With Dong Zhuo, I see two ways they'd approach the game, obviously which one it is would depend on the person. They might not do either, but I think these are likely.

1) Dong Zhuo is an active civ. Unless they're incredibly meticulous they'll be likely be hunting for YT's much more than the nanman.
2) Dong Zhuo coasts because their role is useless for a pretty long time period.

Why does Bass fit my description more than nijuu? I don't know if I could accurately describe Bass's activity as 'coasting'.

indiglo wrote:What if I told you that I am as certain in my assessment of Bass as I was in my assessment of Mac, and as I currently am in the assessment of leetic? Even if you can't sense it yourself, would hearing that give you pause?

Unless there really is a nanman left, whoever I vote that isn't leetic will be based on indie hunting. nijuu fits the description of an indie Dong Zhuo waiting for their role to activate better than Bass at this point, because she's the one who's coasting. Neither of them has appeared particularly gung-ho about lynching the YT's specifically which I would expect to see from someone eager to get that going.

We do have another day, right? I'm not just confused?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
Quin wrote:An observation.

The Yellow Turbans have killed Night 2, 4 and 6. It's very likely that they only had the power to kill once every 2 nights.
Yeah I think they were most likely getting blocked.

More likely that they just didn't submit a kill tbh. I'm only guessing that the lack of a NK on Night 1 was intentional, MP and SD were both absent Day 3, and SD was absent on Day 5. It kind of reinforces how strongly I feel about leetic being the last YT, in a way.

Sweet.

I'm set on voting leetic, at least. I don't have another strong suspect to be a YT. I think it's a safe guess that the nanmans are gone.

Going leetic and Mac as well. Mac's had close to 100 opportunities to try and sway peoples opinions on his alignment, it is unfortunate he did not take one.

I'll definitely be voting leetic. My other vote will likely be either Mac or nijuu. Simon is a maybe.

I was just testing you all, obviously

An observation.

The Yellow Turbans have killed Night 2, 4 and 6. It's very likely that they only had the power to kill once every 2 nights.

In saying that, Bass had some inactive spurts as well, but I'll need to look into timelines if I'm going to put his name up again.

MacDougall wrote:So nobody is gonna post until deadline approaches and they will just come in and throw a vote my way. Phooey.

Shouting 'I'm not bad, all of you are' is not a great way to spark discussion. Who is a better lynch than you are, right now? Why?

As for the idea of putting Bass up again because he'll likely win his duel - I don't support it. I'd support it if we were putting him up with the conclusion that he's bad, but I'm hesitating on that front. I'd rather put up leetic because I do believe in the inactive YT/Dong Zhuo idea (this also half-applies to nijuu, she's posting but extremely sporadically so it doesn't really feel like she's attentive to the game)

I voted Mac and Bullzeye.

Zuo Ci wrote:I am called by nature to share my research.

MacDougall wrote:I would like to see Wilgy and JaggedJimmyJay in a duel. Who wouldn't?
There is no inspiration. This is not to be viewed with favor.

MacDougall wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hi Mac.
Don't look at me like that. I'm not even here yet. Stop it. I can tell what you're thinking.
The smell of fear is palpable.

MacDougall wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:By the way, why do you want Wilgy and I to kill each other?
I don't want to say it, people don't like it...
There is no inspiration. This is not to be viewed with favor.

MacDougall wrote:Oh look a guy who I voted for on day 1 got lynched and is bad and this time I didn't actually try making a case on him. New strategy.

Wassup Glorfindel with ignoring my comment? You scared there buddy?
To claim credit where there is no inspiration. This is not to be viewed with favor.

MacDougall wrote:I don't feel like Dom is bad, so sending him to fight the Marmot isn't jiving with me.

I don't think Marmot is a good candidate either. I don't like that the case has trace elements of Wilgy wifom in it. Wilgy is a savant of causing wifom to work the way he wants. I feel like he would be expecting Metalmarsh to get suspicion from that post. I also think Metalmarsh is playing the game way too casual considering his situation.

The only person with a vote who I am feeling neg about is Russtifinko. So I will be voting for Russ and trusting my feel on Dunny from Day 1.
The rodent spirit animal was slaughtered because his affiliation with the doctor was visible in nature. To resist his destruction for the reasons stated appears as a disconnect with the truth of the universe. I am inspired to pursue the destruction of he who spoke it. To make a mistake is to be human. This does not appear as a mistake. It appears as a conscious resistance to the destruction of the second Nanman on the second day.

Those who the Nanman have murdered are those who have threatened the Nanman. This is the way of MacDougall.

I like this. Mac, say a thing!

I'd like to pursue this inactive YT/SK route and vote for at least one inactive today. I think leetic and Bullzeye are the two in question in this case, so probably one of them.

MacDougall wrote:
Quin wrote:Tell me your thoughts about Zuo Ci, Mac.
A random entrant late in the game posting in roleplay mode and acquiring utterly no suspicion at all.

Alright. What do you think about his content so far? Is he leading us astray? What do you think about the idea that Zuo Ci is just a sock taken over by whoever we voted for when we got the chance (Jay)?

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