The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:This was actually probably the worst game I've ever had. I didn't vote a single baddie and town read two of them

Sorry for lynching you and not being sorry, Quin. Btw, I'm always sorry for a mislynch outside of the game. I just have to be honest about how I feel from a game perspective only while inside the game.

I don't mind. I don't take anything personally.

This was actually probably the worst game I've ever had. I didn't vote a single baddie and town read two of them

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hell, without PoE we would have probably lost this game to reywaS instead.

I'll take solace in the fact that I actually caught a baddie there.

Anyway, great games all around. Thanks for being a good sport Jay and pouring your heart into it yet again. Thanks Golden for killing Epignosis (that was yuuge). Sorry Quin for wrongly lynching you twice in this game. I think this is our first game together, so I'll keep this in mind for the future.

Thanks for the game G-Man. I do think this game was a tough one for the civilians, bu we certainly could have done it, and I think we performed better than the average group of players would have done.

We've played together like 5 times I guess I'm not very good at making an impression.

This was one of the most stressful games I've ever played, but it was also one of the most fun. I felt out of my element.

Congrats Golden 2.0!!

Sloonei wrote:Good morning

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'd like to hear what you guys think of what I said about Golden and INH. I think INH looks like a suspect at face value, but Golden has almost mechanically removed him from suspicion. Do you disagree with that notion, and do you think my concern about Golden is more valid than tinfoil or more tinfoil than valid?

Golden's coming from an angle that suggests that he has information. I don't think he does, because he already questioned the possibility that I had information, but he's definitely playing that card. At the most I'm 'iffy' about reading him as the SK, because there's the potential in the back of my mind that maybe this is just Golden 2.0's way to get people to back off his top town read.

I wouldn't study even if it was over.

I'll have to read into it, but I have a lasagne to eat in like 5 minutes so I'll raincheck you

Right now I'm going to move my vote to INH, just because he's sitting lowest on my list rn and I don't think marmot is a good lynch anymore. How things change in a matter of a day...

Golden 2.0
metalmarsh89
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere

Quin wrote:I intend to move my vote from marmot at some point. I don't know where I want it to go.

Marmot, do you have a list of most/least likely to be the SK?

I've seen yours in the form of a PoE, Jay, but can you also do this for me?

Just to go a bit more in depth,

marmot does not seem to me the kind of person to use 'emotional appeals' like this as a scum/indie tactic.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:Why wouldn't you kill epi, marmot?

A few personal reasons I don't want to discuss. But one of them is that he dies way too often and way too early in mafia games. It hasn't been as prevalent lately, but it used to be a thing.

I intend to move my vote from marmot at some point. I don't know where I want it to go.

Marmot, do you have a list of most/least likely to be the SK?

I've seen yours in the form of a PoE, Jay, but can you also do this for me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is that least suspicious to most?

Correct.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If we can collectively PoE this thing to two people (accurately) then town wins.

Golden is peeling me off of INH. They're not team mates so I don't know what nefarious motive he'd have for that.

I like Sloonei today. I think my current PoE is MM/Quin 2.0.

You would not believe the heaviness of the sigh I just let out reading this.

Rank all of us from most suspicipus to least. Please and thank you.

Golden
Sloonei
JaggedJimmyJay
metalmarsh89
insertnamehere

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If we can collectively PoE this thing to two people (accurately) then town wins.

Golden is peeling me off of INH. They're not team mates so I don't know what nefarious motive he'd have for that.

I like Sloonei today. I think my current PoE is MM/Quin 2.0.

You would not believe the heaviness of the sigh I just let out reading this.

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The fact that INH has said nothing all day makes me think he's less likely to be a SK desperate for survival.

Is that dumb? Am I dumb?

No.

After I saw epi flip I thought sloonei was my most likely vote today, but the stuff sloonei has written on MM is persuasive. Quin seems least likely of the three to be SK (to me).

The difficult thing for me is sloonei's behaviour is like a guy who got town cred early then vanished into the shadows to not get NKed but also not take suspicion. I know it could be only rl stuff, but it also lines up. Now that we are only SK hunting, sloonei is back to take the lead.

On the other hand, sloonei feels genuine, and the stuff on MM makes sense. But, if sloonei is the sk, then of course it's to his advantage to find a case on someone else that looks solid fast.

And I know I don't have that much more time genuinely around to decide this.

Jay, quin, thoughts on sloonei as sk?

An ill-informed 'probably not' for Sloonei as the SK. He's been a consistent town read for me for some time. He's well invested in solving the game despite how busy he is, where I feel like a typical indie would coast a bit in that situation.

Day 1 vote. It was just a fourth vote on the only established wagon. Quin 1.0 town-read this because he wanted to build a wall and make 3J pay for it.
He resisted voting Quin 1.0 for what kind of seems to be Golden 1.0's attitude. There's more dialogue than this but at one point he says the case is 'solid' but he sticks to voting 3J without that confidence in his posts. If he voted Golden 1.0, I could understand.
This is what initially made me start to doubt my town read for him. This kind of contingency is just anti-town from all perspectives.
I mentioned this once. I'm still not sure why Quin 1.0's flip would have in any way implicated the inactives. It kind of sounds like an excuse to get some easy mislynches in.
I'd take the lynch that made sense over the lynch that was interesting anyday. But that's just me.
Forcing a tie is essentially just taking the power to determine whether your biggest scrumread is lynched out of the equation and just letting a dice decide it for you. Perfect for avoiding unwanted attention, perfect for lynching someone who isn't you.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:@ Quin: What sort of strategy are you using to hunt for the serial killer? This is a different thing than hunting a regular baddie. I want to know what everyone's doing about it.

I'm searching for passivity. Behaviours that are exhibited for the sake of moving on from the current situation, not for the sake of solving the game.

I'm actually moving towards voting INH from this viewpoint.

Why INH? Can you point to specific posts that give you this feeling?

Well, since you asked so nicely, I can.

Sloonei wrote:@ Quin: What sort of strategy are you using to hunt for the serial killer? This is a different thing than hunting a regular baddie. I want to know what everyone's doing about it.

I'm searching for passivity. Behaviours that are exhibited for the sake of moving on from the current situation, not for the sake of solving the game.

I'm actually moving towards voting INH from this viewpoint.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Why is Trump not a role?

Because Hilary isn't (unless there actually is a fourth baddie, but I really doubt it), and they're the spearheads of each faction.

But Trump is at the center of the whole game while Hillary isn't mentioned anywhere in the flavor text. Trump is, and G-man just told us that the flavor posts are intended to "contain game-relevant information". In these posts he tells us that we are all members of Trump's campaign team, and that someone is in here trying to kill Trump himself. To me this suggests that it may not be a straightforward Serial Killer, but an assassin trying to kill one target over the others. Or the flavor text is just flavor text; but G-man just told us it is not. In all of the write ups it is mentioned that Trump was the intended target of the serial killer but other figures "got in the way". Perhaps there is a serial killer that wins the game when they kill the player who has the role of Donald Trump.

Okay. I checked. Hillary was mentioned a few times, just nothing more than just being mentioned.

What are yout thoughts?

'Ehh'

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Why is Trump not a role?

Because Hilary isn't (unless there actually is a fourth baddie, but I really doubt it), and they're the spearheads of each faction.

But Trump is at the center of the whole game while Hillary isn't mentioned anywhere in the flavor text. Trump is, and G-man just told us that the flavor posts are intended to "contain game-relevant information". In these posts he tells us that we are all members of Trump's campaign team, and that someone is in here trying to kill Trump himself. To me this suggests that it may not be a straightforward Serial Killer, but an assassin trying to kill one target over the others. Or the flavor text is just flavor text; but G-man just told us it is not. In all of the write ups it is mentioned that Trump was the intended target of the serial killer but other figures "got in the way". Perhaps there is a serial killer that wins the game when they kill the player who has the role of Donald Trump.

Okay. I checked. Hillary was mentioned a few times, just nothing more than just being mentioned.

Sloonei wrote:Why is Trump not a role?

Because Hilary isn't (unless there actually is a fourth baddie, but I really doubt it), and they're the spearheads of each faction.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:The odds of Quin being the SK aren't very high, and the odds of him being mafia are extremely slim considering they're likely dead. Yet he's tunneled on me the last day and a half.

Yeah, that's a parallel I'm conscious of. Quin should share his current read on Marmot.

This will be brief, I can't concentrate on my computer for long owing to the pain of the 2nd degree burns on my face.

A lot of my case kind of fell apart, but I could still stick his Day 2 actions on him as a case against him being a SK. I'm not so gung-ho about lynching him specifically anymore.

linki: I doubt that's the case either, I don't think Donald Trump is even a role tbfh.

I don't think that Donald Trump is the serial killer, based on the whole context of the lynch posts. It seems to me that neither he or Hilary Clinton are roles, they're just leading the charge and we're their subordinates.

Ted Cruz would make sense to be the SK, just because of memes.

Serial killer hunt, anyone?

ok.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:No, but my reason for thinking that it's you is the strongest.

I'd like to hear more, Quin. I know we've talked about MM a lot already, but we're here and we have 1.5 days to sort it out. I think I am clear on why you disagree with the reasons I have provided to town read him. We're good there.

What I want to know more about is why you read him as scum rather than merely as less town.

For the most part my suspicion is based on his vote history, which is where I think you're misinterpreting me a little. You believe his votes are town-indicative, what I've been arguing with you isn't that his votes aren't town-indicative, but that's they're scum indicative. I know I have a habit of being indirect with my conclusions, but I think all through day 3, and even in parts of Day 2 I've had this train of thought.

I think Day 1 was an attempt to gain civ cred by sacrificing his first teammate (and while you have said that you disagreed with the thinking that his lynch was inevitable - I disagree in this specific scenario), and I think his Day 2 vote was weak, because there was no cause for him to put a pressure vote on you, and his 'I think I'm coming around' excuse to vote for me was uninspiring. I will grant him that part of the latter involved the possibility of you and him being teammates - but the fact that I can confidently say that you're not doesn't completely make this suspicion redundant. We've talked about Day 3 already, but I do think reywaS was a prime bus candidate, and I think it's especially likely to have happened because the vote was redirected outside of the meat which had been developed during the previous few phases.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Quin wrote:But you should also feel bad about making this the most stressful game of mafia ever played

Fwiw, I feel incredibly unstressed about this game.

On a side note, I'm housesitting for my friend and her dog while she's away. Today's Day 1, and I come home from work to find her dog got into her roommate's bedroom and dropped a giant bomb in the middle of the their floor.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

But you should also feel bad about making this the most stressful game of mafia ever played

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'd rather lose to you than reywaS in this scenario.

That's a mindset I can definitely appreciate. At the worst of the anti-JJJ propaganda around here in this game, I was certain town would be losing this game to Wilgy and/or reywaS. And that would have been horrid.

Me too. With all of the effort put into this game by 90 percent of players, I'd feel like losing to an inactive would be a bit of a kick in the teeth. So regardless of everyone's alignment, all of us should feel satisfied with however this game ends.

insertnamehere wrote:So, Golden has been taken in by the paradoxical WIFOM tornado of scumminess that is 3J.

Quin and Marmot are now at each others throats for some reason.

And 3J is just encouraging the Quin and Marmot thing, drawing a line in the sand between him, Golden, Marmot and the treasonous Quin.

Quin and Sloonei, what's your read on 3J?

I feel at this point, forcing a tie is the best possible scenario here.

Marmot, are you dedicated to voting Quin?

This is the sort of plain anti-town behaviour that makes me go 'huh?' with INH. You want to let the lynch out of your control and let a dice roll determine whether your top scum read is lynched or not?

As for your question, I still don't trust 3J. But I have other priorities.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, do you really believe that Wilgy placing one vote away from the larger wagons is good reason to remove him from candidacy to be mafia? That strikes me as an incredibly dubious thing.

I didn't remove him anything. You're removing people from it based on a single reason to town read them, which I think is bogus considering I can think of more reasons to scum read many players than town read them. Playing by your logic, however, I think my reason for 'removing him' is a good one. I'm more inclined to scum read anyone who tries to discredit alternative votes than scum read him for sticking to his own suspicion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:People who suspect me to whatever degree: I have a request/demand for you.

Tell me who my supposed living team mate is.

marmot. I think you have a weak reason to add him to your list of town reads and his voting pattern so far is suspicious.

Sorry about my inactivity, I have been reading, but uni work demotivated me a lot from this today. I'll be sporadically active tomorrow.

As a matter of fact, Quin's suspicion of me arose from Jay asking him (and anyone else) to name a secondary suspect after himself. Quin's suspicion of me looks like it was made up on the fly in my opinion.

This post came from the middle of Day 3.

My read on you has evolved since that post. Those were my honest thoughts then and these are my honest thoughts now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:I smack myself in the face with a hot frying pan.

I can dig that, but I'm trying to get a more insightful answer about how you'll behave in this game thread.

That'll have a lot to do with what's yet to come. I can't tell you what I'm going to think specifically, but I know I'd be looking at both you and INH with a lot more scrutiny. I struggle the most in finding a reason to call the three of you town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We have all day tomorrow. I intend to listen and contemplate before I call for someone's head.

Oh, sweet. I thought we were on the last day for some reason. I'll still come back in a few hours, but I really need to get this stuff done.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Where do you stand now on Sir Marmot, Quin?

He's the last baddie. The context behind his vote for Scotty doesn't give me any reason to civ read him, and reywaS was an easy bus.

Could you offer some reasons as to why no one else could possibly be it?

No, but my reason for thinking that it's you is the strongest.


I'm calling it for now, I got dragged back in here and I need to get back to my uni workload. What time is it right now in America - I don't want a repeat of Day 3 where I sat on my thumbs because I didn't have anyone to talk to before I put my vote down, so I'll make sure to come back in time for some more of...this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Answer what?

His assertion was that the degree of confidence you were exhibiting in your MM read was such that it made you appear genuine in your vendetta. So when a new name pops up which you speak of in a distinctly negative way (INH), it seems a curious thing. How can you be so dead set on lynching MM if you have meaningful doubts about INH? What happened to your suspicion of me?

Marmot is my number one lynch. A scenario where he is off the table does not exist. I also have suspicions for other players, but I will not lynch any of them before the marmot.

I am still suspicious of you. I'm confident that marmot is bad, and since I don't see the possibility of a 4 player mafia team as well as a serial killer, you're off the hook to be bad until such time as I'm proven wrong.

What are your contingencies in the event that Marmot is lynched and flips town?

I smack myself in the face with a hot frying pan.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:Answer what?

His assertion was that the degree of confidence you were exhibiting in your MM read was such that it made you appear genuine in your vendetta. So when a new name pops up which you speak of in a distinctly negative way (INH), it seems a curious thing. How can you be so dead set on lynching MM if you have meaningful doubts about INH? What happened to your suspicion of me?

Marmot is my number one lynch. A scenario where he is off the table does not exist. I also have suspicions for other players, but I will not lynch any of them before the marmot.

I am still suspicious of you. I'm confident that marmot is bad, and since I don't see the possibility of a 4 player mafia team as well as a serial killer, you're off the hook to be bad until such time as I'm proven wrong.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:The fact that quin is even willing to discuss inh as potentially bad, after I asked him earlier 'who would you vote if you couldn't vote marmot' and he said marmot, makes me

Unless we still think there could be two mafia out there, which seems unlikely given balance... it simply makes me peel away the one layer that vexed me about quin which was the idea that he knew the last was marmot and so he didn't need to worry about who else could actually function as scotty teammates.

Is this wrong?

Why don't we all vote marmot and find out?

Why don't you just answer him?

Answer what?

Golden wrote:The fact that quin is even willing to discuss inh as potentially bad, after I asked him earlier 'who would you vote if you couldn't vote marmot' and he said marmot, makes me

Unless we still think there could be two mafia out there, which seems unlikely given balance... it simply makes me peel away the one layer that vexed me about quin which was the idea that he knew the last was marmot and so he didn't need to worry about who else could actually function as scotty teammates.

Is this wrong?

Why don't we all vote marmot and find out?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:He is not at the top of my rainbow list.

What does that mean?

It means that his Day 2 'Lynch Jay, if town, lynch Quin' contingency is the first thing that comes to mind when I think about him, and it does not sit well with me at all.

How do you feel about his Day 1 vote?

I initially thought it was a self-preservation vote, but the order of how the votes came in tells me that's not the case. I'll read into his actual posts a bit later but I need to start digging into a report.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:He is not at the top of my rainbow list.

What does that mean?

It means that his Day 2 'Lynch Jay, if town, lynch Quin' contingency is the first thing that comes to mind when I think about him, and it does not sit well with me at all.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, how do you feel about the Beck-related points that have been raised over the last hour?

I have no opinion. Part of that is bias, and part of that is because Quin 1.0 already questioned Beck about his MP/reywaS vote and came out of it neutral.

How do you feel about INH?

He is not at the top of my rainbow list.

Golden wrote:By far the best thing to come out of this game is the way that Quin is playing Quin 1.0/2.0 as though he has multiple personality disorder it's quite neat.

as though he has multiple personality disorder? Will you tell my parents that it's just a 'as though'?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Nice job gang, this game has the most posts for any heist game so far.

We're also at 409 posts for number of times Quin has been mentioned.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, how do you feel about the Beck-related points that have been raised over the last hour?

I have no opinion. Part of that is bias, and part of that is because Quin 1.0 already questioned Beck about his MP/reywaS vote and came out of it neutral.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:I'm not sure why you've tried to credit him for this over and over, because it's not sticking.

Also, the implication of this sentence is that you're calling us team mates.

Are you calling us team mates?

No, I'm saying it makes me want to overturn my computer desk out of sheer confusion and annoyance.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Where do you stand now on Sir Marmot, Quin?

He's the last baddie. The context behind his vote for Scotty doesn't give me any reason to civ read him, and reywaS was an easy bus.

I just want to ensure I fully understand where your head is at. If you could, please paint a detailed picture of what you believe happened at the end of Day 1 in a universe where Marmot is mafia. I'm not saying you're wrong.

I've been through all of this with you already, so I don't know what else you want me to say. It was a last minute vote weakly justified by Sloonei's goading which painted him as an inevitable lynch. I'm not sure why you've tried to credit him for this over and over, because it's not sticking.


linki: lol. ok.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Where do you stand now on Sir Marmot, Quin?

He's the last baddie. The context behind his vote for Scotty doesn't give me any reason to civ read him, and reywaS was an easy bus.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:We have a deepwolf, and for me it's now about figuring out who it is. Marmot and Quin seem like the likely suspects, to me. But of those two, Quin seems the most suspicious. He was off the wagon yesterday, and keeps pushing marmot./

So, an early vote on quin for me.

1) Quin 1.0 was off the Scotty wagon - was civ. Recycling an already used argument that flopped isn't very creative.
2) Was off the wagon yesterday because I was pushing marmot (don't separate the two) - who is also your supposed second choice. Not sure how x = y here.

Next!

On day one, the wagon wasn't a tie with one person, who had the ability to decide which way it went, sitting off the wagon. Yesterday you were the swing vote, and you didn't swing. That's always bothersome.

I disagree with the latter. The two are separate, even if they are linked. When town, you can push someone all day long, but if you aren't getting them lynched you have the ability to vote for someone else. Pushing for someone all day is a common excuse for someone to sit off an irrelevant wagon and act as though the two are the same.

If you couldn't vote for marmot yesterday, who would you have voted for?

Marmot.