The Syndicate

G-Man wrote:Thunderstruck- JaggedJimmyJay is protected from harm; Neil Hartley is ravished by an older woman

LoRab wrote:Wow. We won. I seriously didn't know how this game would end. I was admittedly frustrated with my role because I had no way of knowing if it worked, or if I was blocked, so there was a lot of assuming going on. I also made some assumptions that I should have asked about early on. Like not realizing that my protection got used up as soon as someone had a vote at all. Not that it would have mattered long run. I also realize now I never asked if I could have given someone more than one protection at a time to store up. But, in the end, I used my role well.

Anyway. Well played all. Quin. Wow. You're a total FEB. well done. You had me guessing to the end and I really read you as civ. Dom, I am sorry, but you read bad. And quin playing a squeaky clean game didn't help. You fought valiently.

The tie was for a few reasons. One was to buy more time. The other was that it was a test of sorts. If quin had been one of the roles I could protect, dom would have been lynched. I was hoping no one Alive was railroad dude. I didn't take having been blocked into account (gman pointed that out after the fact).

Good game. Much fun.

G-Man wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did Quin know he wasn't gonna win?

At the very end, yes. I gave him the choice of dragging it out or just letting me end it tonight.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm pretty sure you were the first to firmly turn against Zebra Mac. In hindsight we probably should have considered that more when you were nightkilled.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:A few notes:

~ This is the first time I have ever seen a Mafia game go into "overtime" if you will. When LoRab locked the vote at the end of LyLo1, I was pretty shocked. Observing from the grave, I was pretty torn throughout LyLo1 and I think I'd have ended up at a Dom lynch. What she did was brilliant though, because it 1) gave the townies in play more time to consider the situation and 2) confirmed her as town. She eliminated herself from contention and sent the game to a new cycle with that information now in play. I didn't anticipate that at all and it was awesome.

~ Dom and Quin: both of you deserve so much credit for how hard you fought through LyLo (both of them). The end of this game is something everyone here should be proud of -- if you ask me that's what Mafia is all about. Evidence was in the thread, but in the end it still came down to sleuthing, deception, and inference: the core of Mafia. It was very exciting to watch, and I can imagine excruciating to experience. Neither of you backed down for a minute despite facing that kind of pressure for nearly a full week. Thank you both for that.

~ Sloonei and LoRab: your teamwork in the end was beautiful to behold. You found the evidence you needed cooperatively to clear each other, and then you did everything you could think of to sort out the other two. The final choice may have been the wrong one, but sometimes that's just how Mafia goes. You left no stone unturned and made the best decision you felt you could make. Nobody could ask for more.

~ Quin specifically: you deserve to win this game more than any single player I've ever seen lose. I say that with confidence; I've really never seen anything else like this (the closest thing being Russtifinko's hard luck finish in Talking Heads). You did everything you could possibly do to finish the town off, and frankly -- you succeeded. It was only very bad luck that did you in. It's times like this where I think we should remember that winning and losing isn't always about how well you play; sometimes it's about where the breaks fall. I am not going to rememeber this game as a Quin loss; it feels absurd to say that.

~ G-Man: you designed an extremely fun game with a great balance of complexity and simplicity -- everything was visible and solvable, but there was room for intrigue (as seen at the end). Your write ups were awesome, and those alone made my Neil Hartley nonsense worth it. Bravo sir.

~ Epignosis: it's understandable that you weren't to give it the focus you'd have liked, but there's no denying you still impacted both of your factions positively in each body. Elohcin killed your ass pronto out of fear, and in your return you were just obscured enough to make your team mate links muddy. That's what caused the whole Dom vs. Quin drama in the first place.

~ Glorfindel: you did a great job as a baddie player under pressure for as long as you were. It's a great example of a philosophy I've always had as a baddie -- it's not about avoiding suspicion, it's about surviving suspicion. It didn't matter that anyone was on to you because town didn't take care of you until it was very late in the game -- late enough that afterword there was literally zero margin for error. That is the definition of productive baddie play.

~ Elohcin: your best contribution was in the trail you left -- there was no conclusive connection from your end to attach you to Quin, which was a big part of his comfortable position for so long. That counts for a lot.

~ All the townies out there -- it was a cooperative team effort to maintain your motivation despite the poor start to this game which facilitated the comeback. Everyone played a part in that and I'm proud to have been a part of this town team.

~ Everyone: you were a part of the game of the year, IMO. Pat yourselves on the back.

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:Sloonei who are you going to vote for?

if they die who are you going to vote for?

if they die who are you going to vote for?


Quinn: Citation needed that Mac didn't like me.

Here.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:A SIX DAY GOD DAMN BATTLE IWTH QUIN IS SOMETHING I NEVER WANT TO DO AGAIN

You'd better hope I never draw a bad role card again then

I legitimately did think that if I were town, I'd be busting my gut to lynch you - I really do think you looked hella suspicious from the get go. :P

If by get-go, you mean Day 6, then sure.

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:You are my favorite host, G-man.

When's the wedding?

Dom wrote:A SIX DAY GOD DAMN BATTLE IWTH QUIN IS SOMETHING I NEVER WANT TO DO AGAIN

G-Man wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Did Quin know he wasn't gonna win?

At the very end, yes. I gave him the choice of dragging it out or just letting me end it tonight.

Sloonei wrote:wait what

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:I'm sorry as well, Dom. I absolutely hate being bad.

Keep telling yourself that.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I figured someone had figured out my role.

It was a toss up.

For real? That's a bummer, why couldn't you have misfired?

motel room wrote:Then Day 3 I had, lets say for now a change of heart about LoRab

Sloonei wrote:I figured someone had figured out my role.

Sloonei wrote:Quin is a monster and I hate him.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:I'll buy you a smaller set of tweezers to keep splitting those hairs, Quin.

That is not a thing that is happening.

Any thoughts on any things?

Dom wrote:I'll buy you a smaller set of tweezers to keep splitting those hairs, Quin.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I put my vote on Quin.

I'd like to know why.

You have not seemed receptive enough to alternative theories to your "Dom is bad" position. I'd like to see evidence that you seriously entertained the idea that myself or LoRab could be bad.

There is not a single thing in this game that I can say points towards a townie Dom. His posts. His attitude. His interactions. It is impossible for me to entertain the idea of either of you being bad when I see no feasible scenario in which Dom is a civilian. You're right that I'm not 'receptive' enough to the alternatives, because nothing anyone has had to say, nor anything I've found in yours or LoRab's posts since the outset of my suspicion has come anywhere near the point that would make me question my read. That does not mean I'm not listening. Whatever 'evidence' you're looking for doesn't exist, because I haven't found a reason to entertain it.

What I have done is found solid reasons to see LoRab as town. I have not extended the same courtesy to you, because you've never inspired me. But it can't be you, because it's Dom.

See, this is the kind of internal contradiction that makes no sense.

He says that he's "receptive" to other arguments to appear open minded and ready for dialogue. However, this post totally destroys that. He's not open minded at all.


We have discussed why we don't think LoRab is bad. I think Sloonei is civ. I could be wrong on one of those two fronts, but Quin is my best guess at a baddie.

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I put my vote on Quin.

I'd like to know why.

You have not seemed receptive enough to alternative theories to your "Dom is bad" position. I'd like to see evidence that you seriously entertained the idea that myself or LoRab could be bad.

Sloonei wrote:I put my vote on Quin.

Dom wrote:Almost all of those are about the same thing. No, I didn't go back after I needed space from the thread and double check for everything.


And specifically on the mac issue, I did respond to you. You just didn't like hwat you heard.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:I know what the word properly means.

In context you are using it to mean: I didn't answer questions the way you wanted me to.

That's an awfully suspicious line of thinknig.

No. You don't answer questions at all. And when you get pressed for more information you lash out at them.
However, you also lash out when people don't answer questions the way you want them to. I pointed this specific part out in your interactions of LoRab, which you immediately attempted to discredit.

I have done nothing but answer questions since Day 6.

Tell that to my constant attempts to engage in a dialogue with you since Day 6.

If by constant attempt at dialogue you mean voting me to avoid voting for your teammates, then you are absolutely correct-- I avoided dialgoue with you.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:I know what the word properly means.

In context you are using it to mean: I didn't answer questions the way you wanted me to.

That's an awfully suspicious line of thinknig.

No. You don't answer questions at all. And when you get pressed for more information you lash out at them.
However, you also lash out when people don't answer questions the way you want them to. I pointed this specific part out in your interactions of LoRab, which you immediately attempted to discredit.

I have done nothing but answer questions since Day 6.

Dom wrote:I know what the word properly means.

In context you are using it to mean: I didn't answer questions the way you wanted me to.

That's an awfully suspicious line of thinknig.

Dom wrote:That's not what I said.

What does not answering questions "properly" mean?
Like you are just grand supreme questioner?

Dom wrote:sigh.
that has nothing to do with this game.

and is less funny now.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Earlier in the game we did an exercise where a few of us tried to give one-sentence reasons why everyone could be town. I'd like to see Quin do that for Dom.

Dom refused to answer questions properly in RoT3K and he was town.

I don't even know what this means.

LoRab wrote:Quin: In a few sentences: What originally made you completely convinced that Dom was bad?

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I have not read up on why we ended up at a tie, but I see we have LoRab to thank for that. That all but confirms her as a townie, not that I had much doubt anymore. The biggest concern about Quin is that he's been too confident about Dom, obviously. Look at the rest of the townies who have been around for the last few days. We've all been hysterical, going back and forth trying to figure things out. But Quin has been 100% sure of Dom the whole time. Maybe he's right. Or maybe he just doesn't have that natural paranoia that comes with being town in a late game situation. Thank you for the delay, LoRab. I was feeling shaky myself but couldn't contribute anything. I hope we can work this out.

No, I'm probably not as paranoid as you or LoRab. I'm confident and I don't think I've ever been given a good reason for me to doubt my read. Dom's posts have barely anything in them that I can associate with townie behaviour. He's admitted he looks bad, but I mean, how can you look this bad without actually being bad?

So you know that I am town? Then why are you asking LoRab what she thinks of me?

As long as I believe Dom is bad then you obviously aren't. I'm asking LoRab because it's important, I want to discuss it, and I am listening to the alternatives.

If you're not considering anyone else to be bad-- alternatives to what?

I never once said I wasn't considering anyone else to be bad. You are a pure black read on my rainbow list. It would take an absolutely fantastic case to help me see you in a better light. That does not mean I'm not open to at least hearing cases against anyone else.

So... I'm 100% bad, but you'll hear out other people in case they're right, but that... doesn't... make/?? sense?~?!!!!

Sloonei wrote:Quin hops on the Elohcin case in his fifth post and never looked back:

Spoiler: show

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It pains me to disparage a lady, but I do believe Elohcin's response to that random vote from her husband was a bit lifeless. Considering she is here to see Neil Hartley live and in the flesh, I know she isn't that bored. The look on her face, it's giving Neil the wrong impression.

So yeah, it was like after midnight when I posted that response to Epi. Maybe that's why it seems lifeless. Last night was my monthly ladies night out and I didn't come home until I had my fill of caramel apple sangria.

I cannot even remember what emoji I used. Wait....I do remember. Was it was "I'm wacko" one ...I think so. That emoji makes me think of someone being crazy and silly with their post/vote. I actually didn't even look to see he ACTUALLY voted for me. I thought he was kidding at the time. Maybe I ought to vote him back But probably not as I might be voting to save myself with it being so close and all.

I know nothing of this show, so JJJ is confusing me a bit. I may vote him. It seems a little 'trying too hard' to come in here role play like that right off the bat. Like he is trying to win us over. What do y'all think? And this is not WIFOM talking...whatever that is. I never understood that term completely. but you all seem to use it for when you go after someone who has gone after you? I don't know.

I'll hold off on voting for now.

I think this post was looked into already, but I'm gonna jump on and say I don't like this. It's wordy and more-so centered around being confused by the act than it is being suspicious of it.

Pro-Quin argument: Why would his first move in the game be to aggressively bus his teammate? He doesn't need to do that and could easily have settled in with something with less potential to harm his team.
Anti-Quin: He becomes very confident very quickly about Elohcin and, much like his Dom suspicion, never lets go. Plus there's the obvious WIFOM that comes with any instance of bussing.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I have not read up on why we ended up at a tie, but I see we have LoRab to thank for that. That all but confirms her as a townie, not that I had much doubt anymore. The biggest concern about Quin is that he's been too confident about Dom, obviously. Look at the rest of the townies who have been around for the last few days. We've all been hysterical, going back and forth trying to figure things out. But Quin has been 100% sure of Dom the whole time. Maybe he's right. Or maybe he just doesn't have that natural paranoia that comes with being town in a late game situation. Thank you for the delay, LoRab. I was feeling shaky myself but couldn't contribute anything. I hope we can work this out.

No, I'm probably not as paranoid as you or LoRab. I'm confident and I don't think I've ever been given a good reason for me to doubt my read. Dom's posts have barely anything in them that I can associate with townie behaviour. He's admitted he looks bad, but I mean, how can you look this bad without actually being bad?

So you know that I am town? Then why are you asking LoRab what she thinks of me?

As long as I believe Dom is bad then you obviously aren't. I'm asking LoRab because it's important, I want to discuss it, and I am listening to the alternatives.

If you're not considering anyone else to be bad-- alternatives to what?

Sloonei wrote:Earlier in the game we did an exercise where a few of us tried to give one-sentence reasons why everyone could be town. I'd like to see Quin do that for Dom.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I have not read up on why we ended up at a tie, but I see we have LoRab to thank for that. That all but confirms her as a townie, not that I had much doubt anymore. The biggest concern about Quin is that he's been too confident about Dom, obviously. Look at the rest of the townies who have been around for the last few days. We've all been hysterical, going back and forth trying to figure things out. But Quin has been 100% sure of Dom the whole time. Maybe he's right. Or maybe he just doesn't have that natural paranoia that comes with being town in a late game situation. Thank you for the delay, LoRab. I was feeling shaky myself but couldn't contribute anything. I hope we can work this out.

No, I'm probably not as paranoid as you or LoRab. I'm confident and I don't think I've ever been given a good reason for me to doubt my read. Dom's posts have barely anything in them that I can associate with townie behaviour. He's admitted he looks bad, but I mean, how can you look this bad without actually being bad?

So you know that I am town? Then why are you asking LoRab what she thinks of me?

As long as I believe Dom is bad then you obviously aren't. I'm asking LoRab because it's important, I want to discuss it, and I am listening to the alternatives.

As long as you believe Dom is bad then LoRab obviously isn't as well.

Dom wrote:What motivation does a baddie LoRab have to needlessly extend the game another day?

This makes no sense.