The Syndicate

Golden wrote:I am insanely jealous of that banner.

Golden wrote:Hey cannibals! You didn't need to kill me!

Soneji wrote:

thellama73 wrote:What most surprised me is that the Cannibals and Pirates never once killed a member of the other team. They always went for civilians. Still, I am pleased at how balanced the game turned out to be. Getting down to three final players, one from each faction, was cool.

Didn't we kill Quin?

thellama73 wrote:And in case you're wondering, Zebra was lynched because grog was used on her last night.

Ricochet wrote:Rezz pls

Snow Dog wrote:

Quin wrote:Reading into Snow Dog's posts.

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Snow Dog wrote:Is it possible to earn gold?

A question about game mechanics. I don't lean either way on this; I have a 'would a baddie be more likely to ask this on the game thread or in BTSC' thing going around in my head, but knowing the answer to this specific question wouldn't put baddies at any significant advantage makes this a null read.

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Snow Dog wrote:

Nachomamma8 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I wish we had changeable votes.

Hey Snow Dog, what's up buddy? Are you bad?

Bad to the bone!

No, are you?

What do you think about MM's claim to have been sent the wrong role?

Why do you think that MM's claim about being sent the wrong role has anything to do with his alignment?

I'm just pursuing something that struck me as odd. It probably has nothing to do with his alignment.

I like this. Not every question has to be generated into some sort of read, but Snow Dog seems to be covering his bases to not leave any stone unturned.

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Snow Dog wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why is no one talking about me? This is odd for me for a day 1.

I like dog's entrance. (Note that my phone routinely likes to change his name to "dog" or "sog"). I don't like zebra's entrance. And motel room is playing very minimally and I don't mind the case against him, but zebra will be getting my vote if she doesn't check in today.

I was thinking of voting zebra too. Reason 1, he has only posted a bunch of emoticons which in itself is annoying. Reason 2, he is the first name on the list.

I don't like this. Earlier he said he'd 'reluctantly vote for a non-poster'. I think that there's a specific mentality for people who want to vote that way on Day 1 (as well as all other days tbfh), and that it's got a lot to do with the notion of 'they're not here so they're not contributing, and it would be rude to lynch a present player before them, so they're the next best thing to a mislynch'. This goes against that, because zebra was clearly here and contributing in her own way. Reason 2 is just whatever.

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Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I didn't like Snow Dog's vote yesterday. I like it even worse today.

Just my two cents after the lynch. I'll be looking at him.

I'm not a fan of his voting record either, but his content has seemed genuine to me. I'll take a look at his ISO though and maybe I'll come up with a different perspective.

I don't understand. What is wrong with my voting record? I have been consistent. Explain please!

'I don't understand why you find a specific thing suspicious but I'll try and defend myself against it anyway'. This doesn't make me feel good.



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I come out of this with a scum lean on Snow Dog.

If you call zebra's posts "contributing" then i can hardly reason with you can I?

Snow Dog wrote:

Quin wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Quin wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Voted Quin.

Wanna talk about it?

Sure

Nice chat.

I think you are bad. That day 1 self vote is still playing on my mind. BUT.....I was intending to vote Soneji and voted you in error. If we could change votes I'd do it now.

Snow Dog wrote:

Quin wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Voted Quin.

Wanna talk about it?

Sure

Snow Dog wrote:Voted Quin.

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote: I didn't vote early.

Quin wrote:I voted before any wagons actually formed.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

It's not my fault that people took their sweet time voting. I'm not staying up until 4 in the morning to do it, thx.

Way to excuse yourself without actually addressing your blatant contradiction.

a2thezebra wrote:If you voted before any wagons formed, then you voted early. Period. Your reasoning for voting early has nothing to do with it so it's bizarre that you even brought it up.

Somehow voting early to make sure you don't miss EoD means that you DIDN'T vote early? Are you ashamed or something?

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote: I didn't vote early.

Quin wrote:I voted before any wagons actually formed.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

sig wrote:I voted Quin, he is being extremely scummy,

also quin it looks even worse that you voted early since you removed the possibility of voting for anyone else and have been able to be removed from that conversation. In fact your voting record isn't that hot. I want to lynch Quin next phase.

I can't stick around right now since I ahve some school and family stuff to do, but I should be back tomorrow to talk more.

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I gave my thoughts on sig some time ago.

'sig is good because I think he's bad' does not equal legitimate thought process

It does. If my ability to read someone has a record of being so bad that I've actually never been right about them, then it only makes sense for me to read them the opposite of how I'm reading them instinctively. Just because I'm thinking outside the box doesn't mean I'm not thinking. Maybe try it?

my turn

At least I didn't pretend that my reasoning constitutes a case.

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I gave my thoughts on sig some time ago.

'sig is good because I think he's bad' does not equal legitimate thought process

It does. If my ability to read someone has a record of being so bad that I've actually never been right about them, then it only makes sense for me to read them the opposite of how I'm reading them instinctively. Just because I'm thinking outside the box doesn't mean I'm not thinking. Maybe try it?

a2thezebra wrote:I gave my thoughts on sig some time ago.

Boomslang wrote:Save me by voting zebra or Quin, everyone. Or, when I flip, use that to inform the trustworthiness of MP's reads. Wilgy and Nacho could be buddying up, as we saw in very early thread.

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Quin is taking advantage of the low-hanging fruit that is sig's town play in order to distract from his lack of genuine contribution.

linki - Yup, that's correct. I still don't see where the implication that I'm demanding people agree is. For the nth time, I don't care. Whether or not people agree with me has zero bearing on whether or not I'm right, and whether or not I'm right has zero bearing on whether or not people agree. Stop desperately trying to misrepresent me.

linki - yus

Quin is voting for a person he's found suspicious since day 1 but ok. Not like you ever addressed my case before this to tell me that you thought he was just low hanging fruit, you just found it convenient to throw shade at me because it seems to fit your narrative

linki: I think I look pretty good tbh zebra

a2thezebra wrote:Quin is taking advantage of the low-hanging fruit that is sig's town play in order to distract from his lack of genuine contribution.

linki - Yup, that's correct. I still don't see where the implication that I'm demanding people agree is. For the nth time, I don't care. Whether or not people agree with me has zero bearing on whether or not I'm right, and whether or not I'm right has zero bearing on whether or not people agree. Stop desperately trying to misrepresent me.

linki - yus

a2thezebra wrote:Why would I be a good Second? I'm pristine.

linki - ACTUALLY CAN WE LYNCH QUIN PLEASE

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:you probably need to elaborate on why those specific parts are suspicious if you want to get your point across, amigo

linki: i don't do unnecessary.

Are you sure because this post that I'm quoting here is unnecessary.

looks like your ideal world in one where your word is unquestioned and treated as gospel

which doesn't sound so bad, if only you weren't so wrong all the time

Where did I ask people to believe me or agree with me? I could care less. But sure continue to misrepresent me and dig your own grave.

the two or three times you neglected to elaborate on your quin/snow dog suspicion comes to mind

How does neglecting to elaborate in ANY WAY imply that I'm demanding people agree?

Quin wrote:

sig wrote:Is there a case on Boomslang? I'm reading through haven't seen one yet. I don't like either Zerba's or Boom's wagon right now.

Also Quin voted for me and then left a good vote, which avoids all attention and allows him to not get involved in either wagon.

I think Quin is mafia, I could see myself voting there today.

I don't care about wagons. I want to lynch you. By your logic I should be suspicious of everyone who's not voting with me.

sig wrote:Is there a case on Boomslang? I'm reading through haven't seen one yet. I don't like either Zerba's or Boom's wagon right now.

Also Quin voted for me and then left a good vote, which avoids all attention and allows him to not get involved in either wagon.

I think Quin is mafia, I could see myself voting there today.

Snow Dog wrote:Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:you probably need to elaborate on why those specific parts are suspicious if you want to get your point across, amigo

linki: i don't do unnecessary.

Are you sure because this post that I'm quoting here is unnecessary.

looks like your ideal world in one where your word is unquestioned and treated as gospel

which doesn't sound so bad, if only you weren't so wrong all the time

Where did I ask people to believe me or agree with me? I could care less. But sure continue to misrepresent me and dig your own grave.

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:you probably need to elaborate on why those specific parts are suspicious if you want to get your point across, amigo

linki: i don't do unnecessary.

Are you sure because this post that I'm quoting here is unnecessary.

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:This is civ sig all the way.

How do I know?

Because I'm reading him as bad and I've literally never been right about him.

seems legit

I see your alignment hasn't changed.

neither have my underpants

why am i bad, zebra?

Have you SEEN your post history?

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:This is civ sig all the way.

How do I know?

Because I'm reading him as bad and I've literally never been right about him.

seems legit

I see your alignment hasn't changed.

neither have my underpants

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:This is civ sig all the way.

How do I know?

Because I'm reading him as bad and I've literally never been right about him.

seems legit

I see your alignment hasn't changed.

a2thezebra wrote:This is civ sig all the way.

How do I know?

Because I'm reading him as bad and I've literally never been right about him.

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:

sig wrote:I need to go to bed for real now, did a quick read over of Boom's post they don't look bad.

I'd like some opinions on quin? I had an early ping on him and I disliked his day 1 vote, but from there I haven't had time to read over his stuff in depth. I also disliked the fact that Quin had both me and Epi pegged as mafia along with BK, he votes for me bringing me closer to BK in votes and is still smearing Epi.

Tell me why my case against you or Epi was disingenuous. I don't get the rest of whatever point you're trying to make.

Your case boiled down to Epi going after low posters, however you had BK a low poster at the same rainbow list level as Epi.

My case boiled down to to Epi rejecting three probable reasons that might have accounted for a missed NK to go after low posters. Why is BR being orange on my rainbow list relevant? You haven't asked what my reason for placing her as I did either, you've simply jumped to the conclusion that it's because she's a low poster and that it somehow discredits my case against Epi.

After BK flips his opinion of Epi changes.

Why is this suspicious?

You seemed to be playing both sides of the argument and remaining neutral in case BK didn't get lynched. So you could pursue Epi, but also wouldn't look to bad if BK flipped mafia.

Er, no. I explicitly stated before the lynch that I would be voting either you or Epi, and afterwards I stated exactly why my suspicion of Epi changed. I did not even provide my thoughts on BR beyond the rainbow list.

There is the potential of some bussing here, he didn't jump on the BK wagon but he had her down as a mafia lean.

I had multiple people as a mafia lean. You and Epi were the only ones I'd made proper cases on. Obviously my vote was going to one of the two of you. There was no Black Rock wagon either. I believe she only had one vote at the time.

However, I find it odd he had her down as mafia read along with both myself and Epi.

Tell me why you find this odd.

Becuase it seems like you're playing both sides, I've done this multiple times as mafia myself.

Point out exactly where I did this.

He also defended BK by saying we shouldn't target lurkers and used that as his reasoning agaisnt Epi.

I didn't defend anyone; I specifically accused.

In not wanting to go after low posters you defended BK who was a low poster, you also thought Epi was mafia since he went after a low poster, so you did kind off defend BK.

I didn't care whether Black Rock was lynched or not. At the time I wanted you or Epi lynched more. Give me an explicit post where I said 'don't lynch Black Rock'.

In fact the more I think about Quin being a baddie the more logical it seems. I'll attempt to do a real ISO of him tomorrow.

I could see my vote going to Quin or Zebra.

I dislike how Quin defended BK, while at the same time he had her down as a mafia lean. This seems like a very mafiish thing to do. I wouldn't be surprised if Quin was mafia at this point.

Scotty wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:A rainbow list for MP and I to have a chat about later . Most of these are substantiated and would ideally do with a more in depth ISO. No specific order, other than the obvious.

Nachomamma8

Boomslang
MovingPictures07
Elohcin/motel room 2.0
Scotty
metalmarsh89
DrWilgy
MacDougall

Vompatti
DFaraday
Snow Dog
nijuukyougou

Black Rock
Soneji
a2thezebra
Epignosis
sig
Long Con


@linki - I was just about to do the same thing before I went to bed. Voted sig.

Oooooh, a shiny rainbow, I love it! How the hell is Nacho still ahead of me? What do I have to do for you people?

I need to continue my ISO assessments this morning (they will have to wait until after teaching though), so some of these players I don't have super firm reads on. But we have some cognitive dissonance. Why slight town on MM and Wilgy? What did you think of my crappy Wilgy ISO? Why is Snow Dog a null (right?) read? I have more questions but I'll leave it at that for now.

Admittedly I might be overestimating my read of Nacho. I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but his approach to the game has checked all of the townie boxes so far. His approach is a lot like mine, too - and I feel like it's more likely to be genuine going off of that.

I'm not going to make something out of Wilgy's 'I won't check my rolecard' thing which most people seem to be interpreting in a bad way, because I know the act of opening with some sort of gambit is more likely to just be a non-indicative thing. It might seem contradictory, but I'm also town-reading Wilgy based on his 'I haven't checked my role card' gambit. What I like is, specifically, the 'thing' he chose as his gambit. Suggesting he hasn't read his role card is a load of bs, there's no way he hasn't, because I don't think he's the kind of person to screw over his team for the sake of a joke, and I think he'd have chosen a less self-incriminating meme if he were bad. I haven't read your Wilgy ISO unfortunately, I will at some point when my face doesn't hurt so bad and I'll give you my thoughts then.

As for the marmot, it was a read mostly based on tone. I don't think his Black Rock vote looked bad, though - if he's bad, I don't think they're teammates at least. The lynch could have gone either way at that point, and he only tied it up, not put her in the lead.

Snow Dog was a bit of an afterthought when I made this, it just got so late. I don't feel confident putting him as a null read, since he's one of the most active posters. He deserves more attention than I've given him.

I'm mostly curious about your moderate town read for Long Con. I'll wait on your ISO before I comment further, though.


Lay more questions on me. I find in my current situation I'll be best motivated to participate when I've got someone expecting things from me.

I see you view Epi as a mafia read. But I also see you and Nacho share a strong town read of each other. That makes me nervous.

1: what makes Epi mafia to you, and do you have any updates reads since Br flipped?
2: is Nacho still your supatown? Or is he your super partner in crime (SPIC)?

sig wrote:I need to go to bed for real now, did a quick read over of Boom's post they don't look bad.

I'd like some opinions on quin? I had an early ping on him and I disliked his day 1 vote, but from there I haven't had time to read over his stuff in depth. I also disliked the fact that Quin had both me and Epi pegged as mafia along with BK, he votes for me bringing me closer to BK in votes and is still smearing Epi.

Tell me why my case against you or Epi was disingenuous. I don't get the rest of whatever point you're trying to make.

After BK flips his opinion of Epi changes.

Why is this suspicious?

There is the potential of some bussing here, he didn't jump on the BK wagon but he had her down as a mafia lean.

I had multiple people as a mafia lean. You and Epi were the only ones I'd made proper cases on. Obviously my vote was going to one of the two of you. There was no Black Rock wagon either. I believe she only had one vote at the time.

However, I find it odd he had her down as mafia read along with both myself and Epi.

Tell me why you find this odd.

He also defended BK by saying we shouldn't target lurkers and used that as his reasoning agaisnt Epi.

I didn't defend anyone; I specifically accused.

In fact the more I think about Quin being a baddie the more logical it seems. I'll attempt to do a real ISO of him tomorrow.

I could see my vote going to Quin or Zebra.