The Syndicate

Is this gonna come down to a tie?

DFaraday, wanna move your vote?

I did the same.

I don't have time to do MP. Dad wants to look at my car.

insertnamehere: He was quick to start strategising around the location claiming mechanic. In an early post I can quote because what the hell I felt he was overcompensating by strategising around an assumption we weren't aware of (Whether there were multiple killers or not). He was the first to urge other people to character/role claim. I don't get any malicious intent from this post, I questioned him for the sake of eliciting some sort of response and I felt okay about what he had to say. He put his vote on me, not out of suspicion, but out of the fact that I was still voting for him, and I don't like that one bit. I moved it (I forgot to), he didn't (although he said he would once I moved mine). I called him out on it after a few hours and put my vote down on him again, he responded with some bull 'I didn't like that he voted for me again' without actually addressing me directly.

In response to G-Man's question, he even said he'd kill Rico if he were bad. I think this is just as significant as DFaraday's assertion that G-Man and Eloh are bad because Rico suspected them. I've made mention of my thoughts on INH's relevant content in this thread earlier as well.

The fact that I feel like I actually need to argue my case on INH makes me want to lynch him more than Eloh.

Elohcin: Her answer to G-Man's 'Are you bad' question was wordy as hell. My thoughts about Eloh's response to my power role claim are in the thread, and I don't like it. Her refusal to consider whether my claim could be civ-minded doesn't look good, nor does her 'answer' to my question on the baddie motivations I might have for doing so. I also don't like how Eloh is even considering voting outside of us today. There is no guarantee that there's a single baddie on the beach. There is a guarantee that there is a baddie in the hatch.

I could easily vote for Eloh. I want to get as many of these out in the next half hour before I do so, though.

DFaraday:He has basically the same opinion as I do on G-Man's location claiming strategy. He suspects Eloh for her Soneji vote, which I can maybe read into more if we were to lynch Eloh today. He makes a good point against both Eloh and G-Man in that both of them were tying for the lynch before the CFD, and were both among Rico's top suspects. I find my placement on his rainbow list slightly contradictory, given his justification, so I have a mild ping on that.

Most of his content is stuff that is difficult to look into right now, so I'd be able to get a better read on him after an Eloh or G-Man flip. A tentative GTH scum-lean on DFaraday, but not enough for me to consider voting him today. I do have one post I'd like him to address:

DFaraday wrote:Scotty is as low down as he is for trying to justify his Soneji vote as saving himself, and for otherwise having uncharacteristically very little presence in the game.

How often do you find yourself in a game with Scotty, DF? Given how often he plays games, I imagine most people will have seen him both as a civ and as a baddie, so they'd be aware of his meta. I'm not sure I'd call inactivity a Scotty-scum-tell. Is his lack of presence a scum-tell for you?

I'll do these one by one just to get content out there as it comes.

G-Man: He's asked a number of questions that I can't see the relevance to in terms of applying them to this game. He didn't like Eloh's answer to the 'are you bad' question, but later civ reads her for reasons I can just barely tolerate. Some of the strategies he proposed didn't make a lot of sense to me, but I stand by my opinion that they're more than likely developed from the perspective of a civ. The question he asked early on in this thread does give me a minor ping, given his answer. With my tin foiling hat on, I worry that I'm being buddied. I don't think he's extended the same level of scrutiny to me (or Eloh, his other civ read) as he has everybody else in order to keep me complacent.

I'd still GTH him as civ, but it's not as strong a read as it was Day 1.

(It'll be more like 20 because I'll have to revisit the main thread)

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:G-Man

Eloh
DFaraday

MovingPictures07

insertnamehere

I'll find time today to elaborate on these individually.
That's about what I've earned with my play so far, so I can understand that placement.
I don't think I ever did this. I rarely ever keep my promises, but I actually intended to this time

I blame the internet.
Could you summarize them in quick little blurbs?

I can. Give me 5.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Quin wrote:G-Man

Eloh
DFaraday

MovingPictures07

insertnamehere

I'll find time today to elaborate on these individually.
That's about what I've earned with my play so far, so I can understand that placement.

I don't think I ever did this. I rarely ever keep my promises, but I actually intended to this time

I blame the internet.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Quin, will you lynch Elohcin with me?

Ask me again in an hour. I want to see how the rest of the conversation plays out.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
G-Man wrote:Could you all humor me for a minute? I'm pretty convinced that one of us is going to die since there are more denizens of the Hatch tonight. Of the seven of us, who do you think is most likely to be killed?

In the off chance I am wrong, who do you think will be killed at the beach?
G-Man, what's the point of this question? How does it assist in your determination of others' alignments?

I had the same thought, but I didn't make anything of it. As for his response, it just sounds like he's trying to pass it off as nothing. I feel neutral about it, leaning bad.

Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I am staying in the hatch even if we are allowed out

And, Quin...no hard feelings. Just crazy busy and exhausted. And somehow I missed it. Does that really make a huge impact on how you feel about me? I mean, I remember power roles being discussed. I remember golden saying there were 3 power roles. I remember people claiming power roles. But I didn't pay much attention to that at the time. It was beginning of day 1 and people were claiming all kind of crap. I didn't put too much into it. It was only the fact that you claimed right as the killers were probably thinking about who to kill that it specifically caught my attention.

Anyway....that is not the only reason I think you're bad out of those here at the hatch. And some of it is process of elimination. I think if MP were bad, he would be more involved. I think G is contributing. The only thing that irks me about him was his waiting until end of day to decide where he would lay his head at night. I think DF and INH sound civ. I could vote for Sorsha again. I really think she is bad this game. I just hate doing so when I haven't been able to hear from her all day. But, what the heck. I may still vote Sorsha. Please...tell me why you would want to claim a power role as a civ. Help me understand this.
It does have an impact. You're admitting to not reading through the early game, and my qualm with that is highlighted in an earlier post.

I claimed it because I have a power role. Why would I want to claim a power role as a baddie?
Now, I have been nice, but now you are upsetting me. I have read every post this game. I never said I didn't. I said I remember people talking power roles. Do you always remember who said what? C'mon. I have been working so hard in all aspects to keep up with life and you are going to say I am admitting to not reading? NOT TRUE! I am so stretched thin right now and I will not let you tell me I didn't do something I did.

You didn't answer my question. Why would you WANT to claim your power role as a civ? What of that benefits you? You are just making yourself vulnerable to a night kill.

If you found the statement 'I have a power role' so significant that you reacted the way you did, I find it incredibly hard to believe that you wouldn't even remember reading almost the exact same on Day 1 if you were civ-minded. No, I don't remember everything that has been said. But our circumstances are different in that I'm not pushing against a specific post with such an intense reaction.

When I said 'not reading', I apologise if I'm either miscommunicating or if you're misunderstanding. It's not my intention to say that you're not putting in the effort of reading the game. I'm saying the same thing as I was saying before, in that I believe you could be a baddie whose made the mistake of not scrutinising early content enough.

I did answer your question. I have a power role so I decided to let everybody know.

Elohcin wrote:I am staying in the hatch even if we are allowed out

And, Quin...no hard feelings. Just crazy busy and exhausted. And somehow I missed it. Does that really make a huge impact on how you feel about me? I mean, I remember power roles being discussed. I remember golden saying there were 3 power roles. I remember people claiming power roles. But I didn't pay much attention to that at the time. It was beginning of day 1 and people were claiming all kind of crap. I didn't put too much into it. It was only the fact that you claimed right as the killers were probably thinking about who to kill that it specifically caught my attention.

Anyway....that is not the only reason I think you're bad out of those here at the hatch. And some of it is process of elimination. I think if MP were bad, he would be more involved. I think G is contributing. The only thing that irks me about him was his waiting until end of day to decide where he would lay his head at night. I think DF and INH sound civ. I could vote for Sorsha again. I really think she is bad this game. I just hate doing so when I haven't been able to hear from her all day. But, what the heck. I may still vote Sorsha. Please...tell me why you would want to claim a power role as a civ. Help me understand this.

It does have an impact. You're admitting to not reading through the early game, and my qualm with that is highlighted in an earlier post.

I claimed it because I have a power role. Why would I want to claim a power role as a baddie?

I'll be staying in the hatch too. I've become complacent.

Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:Sorry, all. My internet has gone to shit again and it's entirely likely I might not get it back for a few days. I can't really address anything specific because I'm using a really bad hotspot internet, but I will when I get a chance. Here's what I can say right now before I check out again.

Eloh's answer to my question isn't great. She reacted like my earlier post about having a power role was so significant, but if she were a civ-minded player in this game, she wouldn't have missed something that significant.

I don't like anything about INH's day 1. I've covered the majority of my thoughts about him in the main thread, so give that a look.

I'm not opposed to a vote for MP. I think my hypothesis about late declarers has some merit, although admittedly it's not the strongest Day 1 thing.

Just so I have a Day 2 vote out there, I'm voting INH again. I'm not caught up in the slightest.

@Golden - if I don't check in for a few days, feel free to replace me.
Yes, I reacted as if your power role claiming was significant b/c I thought it WAS significant. You did it right at the beginning of night 1 as if to day, hey baddie kill ME. That is what made it significant. I don't think a civ would put it out there right at that point. If/when you claimed that in the beginning of the game, it wasn't as significant to me.

I don't want to vote MP today. He's barely here and I think it would be a mistake. I am thinking Sorsha or Quin and here is why. Quin b/c of his power role claim right at the beginning of Night 1 when the killer is thinking about who to kill. And Sorsha b/c of her Day 1 lack of contributions. Searching for Walk is all she did.
I get that you think it would be more significant given the timing of either post, but you admitted in your earlier post that you didn't even notice it the first time. In that lies my qualm with you, because any civ-minded player who reacted so strongly to a role-claim should not have missed one in the first place, regardless of its circumstantial significance. You could very well be a baddie who's not giving enough scrutiny to the early-game, making the mistake of thinking it's not particularly relevant content.
I work at home part time WHILE raising three beloved children. I also homeschool these children. Three different ages, three different curricula. I do all household chores (except about 95% of the cooking). I'm the age 7-9 coordinator for my kids' homeschool group. I sing in a band. I am a civ in a mafia game. And on top of all that right now I am working to pack up our entire home by myself. I think it's alright if I miss or forget one of your posts.

G-Man wrote:Can you tell me your feelings about voting for either INH or DF?
I think these are both civs, G.

Not caught up but posting anyway.

I hope you know I wasn't trying to suggest that you weren't putting in effort or anything, Eloh. I was thinking about your current moving situation as I wrote that and I was trying to keep it as separate as possible. But in a strictly game-related context, I just don't see a situation where you would miss such a significant post, even if you were just skimming.

insertnamehere wrote:
G-Man wrote:Can you tell me your feelings about voting for either INH or DF?
Dude.

Are you gonna explain anything about your reads?

Are you gonna say anything more about why you think I'm bad other than "tin foil"?

Are you honestly expecting us to give you content without you giving any analysis in return- only vague illogical justifications?

I was honestly really liking most of the content you made in D1, but this is just getting ridiculous.

I'm going to put my vote on G-Man until he explains himself. And I also reserve the right to leave it there if I'm not thrilled with the answers.

Most of this is just a blatant discredit of G-Man's content.

DFaraday wrote:I've mostly agreed with INH's thoughts, and Quin reads sincere to me, even though I'm not a fan of his Soneji vote. Still, it doesn't feel as opportunistic as some of the later votes.

G-Man's reluctance to share throughout this game makes me view him more suspiciously as well.

I would call your dislike of my Soneji vote and my placement on the top tier of your rainbow list a contradiction. Is my sincerity enough for you? Is there a more specific reason that you would call me town?

insertnamehere wrote:
G-Man wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
G-Man wrote:Clamming up on suspicions until I see lists from DF and MP, sorry. I don't want my newest thoughts influencing their lists.
You think you're that influential?

Whatever dude.
Certainly not. I just don't want to add anything new to the pot. Baddies will look at what's out there and calibrate their faux-suspicions ever so slightly to the ebb and flow of everyone else. The lower portion of DFaraday's recent list didn't surprise me much because he had mentioned Eloh and I as his prime suspects earlier.

I'm most curious to see what MP thinks of all us Hatchlings.

Linki: I've shared quite a bit, I think. I verbally poked and prodded a few people, threw out some ideas (some wilder than others), and have been receptive to Q&A. The only things I've held out on have been my location claim for N1 and my revised rainbow list. Calling me reluctant to share is a bit of a stretch.
Refusing to share your reads because bad dudes might, I dunno, "calibrate their faux-suspicions" around this sure-to-be prophetic rainbow list seems pretty silly to me, because all you're really doing is making the civilians less informed.

Also think it's funny that you demand everyone else's rainbow list, but treat your own like some sacred text which only you can see.

You're twisting facts, INH. G-Man holding back his updated reads until two others have presented theirs only deprives us of information for as long as those players withhold their reads. It's not as clear cut as you're painting it.

Elohcin wrote:
Quin wrote:Sorry, all. My internet has gone to shit again and it's entirely likely I might not get it back for a few days. I can't really address anything specific because I'm using a really bad hotspot internet, but I will when I get a chance. Here's what I can say right now before I check out again.

Eloh's answer to my question isn't great. She reacted like my earlier post about having a power role was so significant, but if she were a civ-minded player in this game, she wouldn't have missed something that significant.

I don't like anything about INH's day 1. I've covered the majority of my thoughts about him in the main thread, so give that a look.

I'm not opposed to a vote for MP. I think my hypothesis about late declarers has some merit, although admittedly it's not the strongest Day 1 thing.

Just so I have a Day 2 vote out there, I'm voting INH again. I'm not caught up in the slightest.

@Golden - if I don't check in for a few days, feel free to replace me.
Yes, I reacted as if your power role claiming was significant b/c I thought it WAS significant. You did it right at the beginning of night 1 as if to day, hey baddie kill ME. That is what made it significant. I don't think a civ would put it out there right at that point. If/when you claimed that in the beginning of the game, it wasn't as significant to me.

I don't want to vote MP today. He's barely here and I think it would be a mistake. I am thinking Sorsha or Quin and here is why. Quin b/c of his power role claim right at the beginning of Night 1 when the killer is thinking about who to kill. And Sorsha b/c of her Day 1 lack of contributions. Searching for Walk is all she did.

I get that you think it would be more significant given the timing of either post, but you admitted in your earlier post that you didn't even notice it the first time. In that lies my qualm with you, because any civ-minded player who reacted so strongly to a role-claim should not have missed one in the first place, regardless of its circumstantial significance. You could very well be a baddie who's not giving enough scrutiny to the early-game, making the mistake of thinking it's not particularly relevant content.

I can't change my votes either, yeah.

I can edit my posts. I don't think this is a permission I am supposed to have.

I'm so dramatic

But seriously, my internet provider is a piece of shit and it's a miracle that they fixed it before the weekend, otherwise we'd probably be stuck without internet until Monday.

It's dinner time so for now I'm doing other things, but I'll pick up my slack sometime tonight.

Sorry, all. My internet has gone to shit again and it's entirely likely I might not get it back for a few days. I can't really address anything specific because I'm using a really bad hotspot internet, but I will when I get a chance. Here's what I can say right now before I check out again.

Eloh's answer to my question isn't great. She reacted like my earlier post about having a power role was so significant, but if she were a civ-minded player in this game, she wouldn't have missed something that significant.

I don't like anything about INH's day 1. I've covered the majority of my thoughts about him in the main thread, so give that a look.

I'm not opposed to a vote for MP. I think my hypothesis about late declarers has some merit, although admittedly it's not the strongest Day 1 thing.

Just so I have a Day 2 vote out there, I'm voting INH again. I'm not caught up in the slightest.

@Golden - if I don't check in for a few days, feel free to replace me.

I want Eloh to answer my question.

DFaraday wrote:Sorry I'm late, I was in the bathroom doing heroin. I mean...looking for peanut butter. For heroin. I mean Clairoin. I mean Claire.

Anyway, I don't think it's a coincidence that two of Rico's top suspects, G-Man and Elo (who incidentally were both up for lynching before that last second save), were here in the hatch with Rico and he turns up dead. WIFOM and all that, but right now I'd wager it's one of those two.

I could still argue INH could have done it considering he even said he would if he were bad. But then he'd say something about WIFOM and that conversation would be over pretty quickly. \_(:/)_/

Elohcin wrote:I hit play and danced a jig, G. Thanks for the music.

Quin wrote:Me, because I have a power role.
Why would you say this. Do you WANT to be killed? Or are you mafia?

I was thinking MP as well. I think he is civ and I can imagine the baddies picking to off him early.

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woah woah woah.....this is nuts. So we are stuck in the hatch for day 2? And Rico is dead. So one of the Hatchlings are bad for sure.

I said it the first time at the very beginning of the game. Why are you picking up on it now?

G-Man

Eloh
DFaraday

MovingPictures07

insertnamehere

I'll find time today to elaborate on these individually.

Here's a hypothesis: Just going by the fact that we're in lockdown, if Golden is being realistic (which I imagine he is), we shouldn't physically be able to lynch outside of us that are in the hatch. So if we did vote outside of us, maybe we'd get a no lynch.

If Golden wants to tell me that I'm an absolute moron and should never post again, he can do that too.

So we've got a baddie up in this shit.

LET

US

OUT

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:
G-Man wrote:Can we switch powers?
Well, Golden? How about it?
I seem to recall expressing an active lack of regret at lynching civilian Quin in Red vs Blue and G-Man getting to the end-game of Economics by posting entirely in pictures and memes, so as far as I'm concerned my work here is done.

G-Man wrote:Can we switch powers?

Well, Golden? How about it?

G-Man wrote:
Quin wrote:Me, because I have a power role.
Cool. What is your power? Mine is the ability to irritate people to no end so that they don't even feel sorry that I die partway through the season.

It's the power of completely bullshitting my way through to the end-game. I have this power in almost every game I play.

Me, because I have a power role.

Did someone forget to push the button?

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