The Syndicate

Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We played one RYM game where the host just entirely turned off the restrictions against dead posting -- dead players could post whatever they wanted on or off-topic. It was actually the same game where I blew up a thousand people.

That was... interesting.
I like it as a design space, it could be interesting.

G-Man's also talked about the game where people just stay as full participants when they die, which is also interesting.

Both are harder to balance though. And the wifom must be intense.

I've thought about this concept too. It's essentially the dumbed down version of the jokey stump-mafia game I mentioned earlier in this game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm personally not a fan of dead posting, but so long as it remains about sandwiches and salad and is kept to a minimum then whatever. It crossed the line a bit in this game, that isn't representative of what's typical here.

I'm glad my dead posting was satisfying.

Golden wrote:Don't let quin fool you, he's bad to the bone!

Seriously though, the funniest thing that happened all game was jay assuming we had a hard bus style because quin and I both flipped bad together. Quin flipping bad was my plan to be town read again.

like he didn't even question it when we both flipped bad together like the day after the biggest beef of the game yet

Sloonei wrote:I coined a new term in my head during this game: Quinfoil.

nice

Strawhenge wrote:Quin, did you scream at your computer when you flipped scum?

i threw my hands and the air and said, 'aw fuck'.

juliets wrote:Wow MP wherever you are that was almost worth feeling sick to my stomach while we decided what to do!

Great game speed, when I saw your post after I had voted I thought "oh shit".

Dys, speed, Straw, Fred so great to meet you all and you all did a wonderful job.

Sloonei who did you protect? I'm guessing JJJ. Good job doing it.

Scotty, who ever heard of a stump?? Nice job, you were totally believable.

JJJ great job in this game, what would we have done without you.

Golden I'm dying to know about your targets!!! That was a mystery for almost the whole game! Good job, I was thinking you were good when you 'sploded.

Quin were you good or bad? Either way, nice job.

Loved the game sprityo!

I was the civ doctor!! I was hoping that when you got the PM that you could doctor right after I died that you'd put the pieces together and realise I was civ.

This last EoD was intense. I'm glad you change your minds in the end to go with speedchuck. If I hadn't known I might not have done that.

Just want to put this here...

Suspected Fredwood
Suspected Long Con
Suspected Golden
Suspected Soneji
...sort of suspected marmot but sort of not because i thought there was info that didn't actually exist

This was probably my best scumhunting game yet.

Thanks so much for the game sprityo, I had loadsa fun.

Can I have my town read now?

THIS IS SO SPOOKY

Marmot wrote:
sprityo wrote:Sorry for absence, i had to skip dinner for a uniform inspection that took 4 hours and am now back at my room
Quin might share his salad roll.

He might have to wait a few hours now, but sure.

Marmot wrote:I've inferred the format of Quin's lynch, and find it amazing that he can eat while dead.

I'll live for as long as people believe in me. I told you before.

Quin wrote:I'm like Tinkerbell. If people stop paying attention to me, I'll die.

Please do not attempt to infer any game-related information from that post.

I'm going to have a salad roll for lunch.

Marmot wrote:Stop killing my teammates!

sprityo wrote: -votes are changeable, however, I ask that you bold and color them in thread (ex: "Lynch: Sprityo") so that I may keep an official track of them. This ties in with locking the thread/not posting as soon as a hammer vote has been made. Possibly, to remedy this, we just have someone screenshot when they vote and it meets hammer? In any case I'll more than likely leave it to community etiquette to wait for a host if a hammer vote has been reached.

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

juliets wrote:JJJ I feel the same about the day yesterday. We need to talk about something, I don't want to be complacent. I also don't want to wait until 10 tonight to debate who we are going to vote. The linki was terrible in that last EOD, I couldn't comprehend what I needed to or respond quickly enough to people who were asking me questions or question things I wanted to question. Add that to the fact that I'm at my worst late (and 10-11 is late for me) and it made for a very stressful environment. Let's not do that to ourselves again.

Golden in general I like your reads list but I do have a question. Can you be more specific about what posts of speedchuck seem wonky? I'll read back on him and see if I can identify what you're talking about but it would sure help if you could point to something even if it's just a general statement. I've been reading him as light civ. I agree I wish Fred would vote BUT I can understand how he got stuck in linki this last round and I think Soneji using him as a "whipping boy" helps clear him for me.

I re-read the Quin/Jack interaction from the other day and I'm missing how claiming doctor helped get Quin out of hot water with respect to not remembering why he didn't trust nutella. Maybe he was just saying "I'll tell you why you should trust me even though I can't remember why I didn't trust nut, I'm the doctor". I feel like this has probably been addressed somewhere if someone could help me out by pointing back to it or just tell me who was involved in the conversation and I'll find it from there. I take it from Quin's not wanting to talk about this any more that he will not answer me.

Ok, on with the day.

I don't mind answering you, I just want to avoid becoming the center of attention again. My intention coming into the day was to just drop some information into the thread without making it obvious it was about nutella. The conversation about nutella wasn't 'linked' like I think you're picturing it. It was more like two conversation pieces that coincidentally were related. The claim was more or less intended to, as you said, get heat off my back. I dug a hole for myself in the way I came into the day and a multitude of 'stuff' just made me think it was beneficial to claim. That 'stuff' I'm sure I've talked about.

Yesterday was awful in terms of non-Quin discussion, albeit we did get Soneji; so I'm trying to actively push conversation topics that aren't me. Admittedly it's a bit of a meh town play at face value, but I am doing it in towns best interest.

Golden wrote:Why should a mafia doctor be able to prevent a mafia kill?

On this one, it's not even a case of inventing something. I've seen this role before. Far from tinfoil, it makes complete sense with an odd night vig.

I don't have a 'poe argument'. I don't even really know what you mean.

Show me which game you've seen this game in before. See the latter half of your stuff for your PoE argument. Apparently I'm 'handling it differently'.

Golden wrote:A quick rainbow list with where my heads at. Actually, I won't make it a rainbow list, I'll make it a power rankings. Most town to least town.

1. Jay - confirmed town, done.
2. MP - claimed town busdriver. Substantiated my watching results. Mafia having two busdrivers would be bizarre. I see this as all but mechanically cleared.
3. Scotty - I've never heard of a stump. I'm betting Scotty never has either. I guess he could have a teammate that has heard of it, but all in all the claim seems unlikely if false. Baddies seem to have no use for the role - in fact it seems it would be mechanically broken (or am I wrong? Anyone more familiar?).
4. juliets - everything about her feels like town jules to me

5. Dizzy - it's all vibes, but Dizzy doesn't feel bad to me. I put a gap here because Dizzy is the first person I could see being a town-threat indy, the four above don't seem to even fit that role.
6. Speedchuck - More work needed. Some responses from him leave me feeling wonky about him.
7. Fred - what am I supposed to do with a guy who doesn't vote? Fred is another candidate for indy. Would need to look at connections to Soneji/LC to judge him for baddie, but he seems very aloof.
8. Strawhenge - Jay said 'I'm inclined not to judge him on meta because he's had a one and a half year break'. My first game back after three years I nailed a baddie on day one and called out two of his teammates for their connection. My memories of Strawhenge are that he seemed more engaged and more convincing. Having said that, this has been a dog of a thread to keep up with, and I'm very mindful of the fact that he has been genuinely behind. Another candidate for indy.
9. Quin - I don't think Quin is indy. I also believe his doctor claim. For me its all about whether or not he is town doctor or mafia doctor. The latter works in my mind and given juliets various conversations I'm inclined to be much more suspicious of Quin than juliets. He's also treated being in the PoE here differently to how he's treated it in other places, in my estimation. He was much more aggressive about it.
10. Long Con - confirmed scum. Sorry.

The reason behind your thinking the latter works is god awful: A mafia doctor that's unable to protect against a night kill. That's tinfoil at best and hardcore twisting of logic at worst. The latter works in my mind. Substantiate your PoE argument.

Scotty wrote:
Quin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Marmot wrote:I just wanted Post #4000.

Bye.
Why are there 4000 posts this game? Who is responsible for this?
sorry
You're only 27 posts away from usurping the King of Fuck Mountain.

How does that Nike commercial go again? "Buy shoes!" Or something to that effect

I did that already. He only took over again once he become Mr Confirmed Townie

DrWilgy wrote:
Marmot wrote:I just wanted Post #4000.

Bye.
Why are there 4000 posts this game? Who is responsible for this?

sorry

Sloonei wrote:Juster wanted to share this glorious snapshot
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this is not an uncommon occurrence

Fredwood wrote:
Quin wrote:
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Fredwood wrote:Though the quin claim is interesting, it at least has me leaning more town on them then the other two.

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Fredwood wrote:
juliets wrote:
Fredwood wrote:
juliets wrote:Dang, Fred got out of here without answering my question.

Fred, you probably didn't see this because it was in a longer post but here's my question:

Do you think it's believable that Jack would have not killed Silver Lantern, and argued with teammates not to kill him, because of his community outlook on Lantern's participation? I'm asking you because from what I gather you know Jack the best and come from the same community.
Don't know, Silver being the vig is sticky. I would agree that he would have argued against killing Silver in a normal situation. With him saying he was vig I think that argument gets shot down by the other mafia.

So, I'm not saying he did or didn't argue that Silver shouldn't be killed, but that it wouldn't have mattered because he was overridden or didn't have a better alternative. I certainly don't view Silver's death as proof of his innocence.
Yeah I wasn't focused on the rest of the team when I started thinking about this last night. Thanks.

Do you still see Scotty and Soneji (and maybe Quin, I wasn't sure if your list was in order or not) above Jack on your list of people you think are bad?

linki
Yes...

Quin was about equal at the beginning of today as Jack, the back and forth today means they aren't w/w, just not sure that it doesn't mean T/T. Jack's behavior is familiar, but he has moved ahead of Quin in suspicion for the time being. Still not in my top suspects.

You don't say a suspect is 'leaning more town', you say that a suspect is 'the least suspicious'.

You don't say a town read is 'not in my top suspects', you say that a town read is ...a town read.

So which was I, Fredwood?
Uh what...maybe you do, but I don't, seems semantic arguments are your favorite type of arguments?

You weren't a town read but were in a better position then Jack, and you weren't in my top suspects...so you weren't either. I wasn't going to vote for Jack or you unless something placed you in the top tier.

They are by no means. They are useful though.

Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Sloonei wrote:hey soneji why shouldn't I shoot you?
Because I'm town.
Who does town soneji propose I shoot instead? Who did you vote for on Night 2?
I voted for you N2.

I would be inclined to say Fredwood but no one shares said suspicion. Shoot Golden.

I can picture Golden having said vest.

LC only gave a gun on Night 2, because Soneji could only give a gun every even night. A baddie has a bulletproof vest right now, going by Soneji's role, as well.

Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I want Golden's night results.

Claiming watcher puts a target on your back. Doing so without bringing forward good information is unnecessary.

I can understand some hesitancy to reveal night information due to the possibility of outing say, the doctor, but I think that ship has sailed.

We already ran into trouble with Golden misinterpreting his information (thinking Marmot had busdriver JJJ and Fred). I wouldn't be surprised (assuming Golden is town) if there was a useful gem of information for the town in those results.
Bullshit. We didn't run into any trouble with me misinterpreting information. I made the claim specifically because I was trying to draw out whether or not jay was bad (I mean, it followed from my claim that I was misdirected). Then I gave accurate information that I did not misinterpret.

I have been very clear that I saw no one but me in my watching results the last two nights. What 'useful gem of information' do you think is in there? Because I can only think of one, and that is knowing who I've targeted, and I think that's of more use to scum than town.
Why are you alive? Why did you not watch the publicly exposed vigilante and cop the last two nights?
These questions seem oddly contradictory.
You're right. But on the one hand, you claim to be an unlimited-shot watcher (I think) while all the other roles in the game seem somehow limited, and you're also apparently holding the map, yet you've gone untouched by the mafia.

On the other hand we've had two publicly outed town power roles who you've failed to watch over at night. Two separate possible angles to doubt the validity of your claim.

Ironically, Soneji pointed it out.

Having an unlimited shot watcher and and three shot tracker sucks as far as balance goes. For the sake of balance, it should be the other way around if it exists at all. I looked up roles once and saw people that considered the watcher role as overpowered.

juliets wrote:So then for those who think Quin is civ, the dynamic would be he was blocked by the good role blocker and JJJ by the baddie role blocker?

Were we considering good and bad variants of the same role at this point in Day 4?

Long Con wrote:I'm sorry, did you get that gun from an item vote, Sloonei? My mistake.

Yuck.

Stumps are removed from the lynch poll as well.

juliets wrote:Fred, when you come on today and after you catch up would you give a set of reads please?

Also guys, just trying to put the pieces together, is a stump someone who doesn't talk or vote? And does it make sense that you would "activate" your stumpiness? I'm just totally unfamiliar with a role like this.

I can't help with the balance issues, I generally don't host and when I do, have help with balance.

Stumps start as vanilla townies but can activate their powers, which does two things

1) They lose the ability to vote
2) They cannot be targeted by any actions

I'm not sure if this carries between all interpretations, but the stump stops counting as part of the town/mafia ratio. For example, if there's a game with a ratio of 8:3 and one townie becomes a stump, that ratio will become 7:3. The role would still win with town, but it's technically not aligned with any faction after that point.

A stump role is a role that's best suited to a driver of discussion, a supatown.

Long Con wrote:As Sloonei was possibly gearing up to shoot me, I'd say that my claim was made for good reason.

45 minutes after the initial post where he claimed he gave Sloonei the gun. Nobody asked. This is classic overcompensation.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:An argument against a strongman's existence might be that Sloonei just died. Unless he was the deliberate target, a strongman typically pierces a bodyguard's protection. There's also the potential of a limited-shot strongman.

It's possible Sloonei was the intended kill. Removing him now removes an element of surprise if the baddies ever have a specific kill in mind and they get a surprise Sloonei flip instead.

speedchuck wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
speedchuck wrote:It's amazing that anyone has dies in this game.
Do you have any thoughts to add to this current setup discussion?
Unfortunately, not much.

The setup claims not to have any mod bastardry, meaning that roles probably do what they say they do. I think that's what it means.

So that could be important.

I am not a protective role, if that helps.

I don't believe that my role's sanity should be questioned after this post.

Dyslexicon wrote:
juliets wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'm also a little suspicious of Long Con and Juliets. But I still feel like I should shoot either Jack or Quin.
I know this isn't top priority but why are you suspicious of me?
Because you're name is an annagram of "just lie".

oh my shit

Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Golden: is there anything holding you back from claiming the remainder of your watch targets if you haven't already?
I will if there ever comes a time to call someone's bluff, but I can't see any reason to throw out people who no one else watched. It could both make my target set more predictable, and also reduce the target area for baddies to lie in.

These are bad excuses. Your target set will change every day. It's unpredictable enough on its own.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:After all that shit clearly my top suspects are Long Con and Golden. I hope to hear from y'all about my analyses. If I said a dumb thing somewhere come and tell me, because otherwise I am going to just keep roasting here in Confident Mode. I'm feeling good.

woaaaaaaaaaaah

I haven't read them. I'll take a look at some point after I finished my read through. Read my stuff in the meantime

Dyslexicon wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Not necessarily. He listed the following as possible roles he might possess: doctor, bodyguard, nexus, guide, and "unculter" (irrelevant in a game with no cult).
Why is he not just outright claiming then, if he's going this far?
Nexus, I've seen in use differently than how he explains it. Basically I'm used to this being a passive role and an X-shot, which redirects any action being made against you to a random target. I've also only seen it used for non-town roles. It's rather rare.
Guide, I hadn't even heard of.
Doctor is problematic if Quin claims doctor, as is bodyguard.
I think Nut being strongman killed is pretty likely.

Dizzy makes a point that the balance is off if the role Jack wants to claim is protective in some way. I mentioned the possibility of either a role blocker or a strongman, and Dizzy went with Strongman. Ironically, Strongman is the one that makes the most sense given the protective claims we've had.

Why was strongman more likely than role blocker?

speedchuck wrote:Would rather kill Soneji than Strawhenge at the moment. Gut feeling. Probably need to find out why that is.

Strawhenge had posted twice and had been mentioned zero times that day. I don't think Soneji had posted once. Weird that speedchuck would bring them up so straightforwardly.

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You don't say a suspect is 'leaning more town', you say that a suspect is 'the least suspicious'.

You don't say a town read is 'not in my top suspects', you say that a town read is ...a town read.

So which was I, Fredwood?

juliets wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
juliets wrote:**Because he seems to have disappeared but unlike Elo hasn't asked for replacement. I need to read through his posts.
Thanks for the reads, juliets. I think you forgot Elohcin though; where'd she be situated on the ol' rainbow?
I think I also forgot Quin.

Quin would be in light green and Eloh would be in yellow.

What information could juliets have received mid-day that would make me fall from light green to a vote (I think)?

That first post would have made Epi flip his shit btw

Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:
Long Con wrote:I don't have a lot of time right now, I just wanted to catch up on the night's posts. I'll just give a rainbow for now, then do farm chores, shower, and go to work... arriving home in perhaps 5 hours from now, give or take half an hour. Then some family time and dinner, but that still leaves time within that 13 hours before lynch time.

Nutella
Golden
Dyslexicon
Quin
Sloonei
Elohcin
juliets
Soneji
insertnamehere
Fredwood
Scotty
Strawhenge
Jackofhearts
JJJ
Speedchuck
LC, I forgot to ask you yesterday what made you read me as orange? Also, are there any of these reads you would change at this point?
Absolutely, there have definitely been developments since my last list... JJJJ getting confirmed town is the glaringly obvious one (RIP nutella - you may end up as MVP of this game). I'll try to cobble together a new one in my next post.

I want to apologize for being absent and missing the vote yesterday, and for not showing up until now today. I got sick. I don't know if it was stomach flu or food poisoning, but I ended up in bed after dinner, feeling nauseous and achy... and although I am the King of Not Throwing Up, I dealt with lots and lots of...
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Last night I was pretty much over that unpleasantness, but my legs were aching insanely... walking around, lying down, sitting, stretching, nothing helped them. So I went to bed around 8:30, had the craziest dreams ever, and woke up around 7:30 feeling back to normal, slightly hungry.

And y'all talk so much! I read through the stuff since the night post. JJJ, your level of analysis is way beyond what I am able to put into most Mafia games, so kudos to you. Do you have a job, or sleep at all? I trust Quin, he's one of the good ones. He's been interrogated plenty, and I haven't seen anything that makes him look suspicious or lying to me. Jack, on the other hand, was gung-ho to take Quin down, and now his arguments read more like he is afraid that if he lets go too easily, he'll look bad... but he knows he needs to let go. Something like "If you're Mafia, you're lying, and if you're town, you're helping the Mafia." Like, seriously? It's ok to admit you were wrong, unless you have an investment in clinging to a perspective. Doesn't look good.

I became his second top town read, after the confirmed townie. Various posts about genuinity, belief in my doctor claim, then:

Long Con wrote:
Quin wrote:
Long Con wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm willing to reconsider. I don't have any reads worth a damn. Convince me, LC. Were you instrumental in getting MM lynched?
Yes. Each of the five votes for MM were essential. One missing, and he would have walked.
Why were you specifically instrumental to the case? What did you bring to the table?
Vote Quin

I think Soneji is the easy vote, not the right vote. After Jack's flip (RIP) I have reevaluated Quin. I thought Jack was being disingenuous about him, but it turns out he was probably right.

The tunneling dead guy is now right about me because he was civ.

juliets, when did you come to the conclusion that it's likely that I'm not town based on my role claim?

Fredwood wrote:If I may tinfoil a moment.

What's the possibility that Jack did called me out on participation on purpose to shift off the argument because he essentially was strong-arming a claim out of Quin, when most people understood the underlying context of the conversation you two had.

I guess it's possible that he knew I'd have a negative reaction to his post and would distract long enough for people to forget I guess?

Seems like a leap, but I might as well tinfoil, If just to appease Jack's desperate need of Fred based content.

Can you explain what it was you understood?

speedchuck wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.

I remember nothing of the town game.
Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.
I'm pretty proud of that scum game.

Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.

I could speculate that this was an attempt to guarantee himself enough time to think of a good justification for his vote. It's a little bit reminiscent of when Glorfindel kept avoiding 'The Question' in Mad Max.

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
Question

Why did you copy my question format?

I thought this was fluff at first. But, no. Now I think this was an accusation.

To that end, I intend to look at the responses to my claim again.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I want to hear everyone else's thoughts on these interaction analyses. There's a good chance I won't be alive on Day 6 and I want to ensure the most productive possible lynch occurs this phase. That might not be Long Con, because if he's as obvious as he looks then there's no urgency to waste him.

I wasn't role blocked on Night 3, which indicates that it was likely a strongman that did nutella in. A strongman is a good counter to the amount of protective roles in the game. If we lynch said strongman today, you'll be good tonight because I'll protect you.

Did you make a mistake when you said Night 2, chuck? The conflict is based on odd night protections there.

I see your vote speedchuck, and I raise you one.

If not lynching, putting some pressure on him is a good idea.

Vote Long Con

I'll be back tonight to get back in it.

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