The Syndicate

Wilgy voting for me and then 'falling asleep' sounded like such bull as well. Were you lying, Wilgy?

boo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:13 am I needed three fully evolved people to be lynched while I was alive.

Good thing I didn't mutiny, not that it mattered

FYI, the secret behind mew was that if I found Mewtwo I could swap alignments and win conditions. I figured boo was Mewtwo, but I didn't even try to find him. I wanted to win as town.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:03 am I see Quin is still listed on the poll. Mistake, mechanics, or mind-screw?

vote me 4 rezz

oh fiddlesticks

white

-twiddles thumbs-

I voted DDL. I would very much prefer a G-Man lynch though.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:59 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:56 pm Am I going to have to vote self-pres?
Well I doubt ddl is going to vote for himself... So yes?

What if I ask him really nicely?

Am I going to have to vote self-pres?

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:24 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:11 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:08 pm I could vote for Quin. Dom being Sprityo and DFaraday's teammate makes some sense.
No it doesn't. How does it make sense?
I refer you to my "Jack's NK Night 1 was an unforced error" theory.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:36 pm Is that all you got, Fred? You spoke more about mafia theory and side-bar stuff on Day 1 than anything with teeth. On Day 2, you gave me one poke about my NK analysis and then disappeared, only to come in at the end of the day, expressing dismay at having no choice but to vote for one of Timmer or Boo because they were the top trains. You also tried to angle it as if my abstention was forcing us into a coin-flip (without even understanding how Epi and Simon break lynch ties).

Dude, I once posted in nothing but pics and memes for a whole game because I wanted to. Same goes for the time I posted like a Magic 8-Ball. Or the time I posted like the Old Spice guy (the man your man could smell like). Or the time I played in character as Dr. frickin' Evil. It's a free internet. Everyone still had a choice at the end of Day 2. My actions didn't force you or anyone else to do anything. Saying otherwise is just trying to pass the buck.

Speaking of my NK analysis, I still maintain that Jack's murder wasn't smart. Unless the baddies killed Jack because he came out and said that, despite all the argle-bargle with DDL, he thought DDL was civ, it's an unforced error. The only benefit to come out of it was getting rid of the most talkative player. Around here, talkative and sharp players don't get taken out right away or JaggedJimmyJay would be the first NK every time. That's why I think it makes sense for someone from Jack's or another mafia culture to be behind that. Perhaps they have a teammate that is barely around to bounce ideas off of. Whatever the case, it quieted down the thread and achieved little else.

Are you talking about this post, G-Man?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:21 pm I see sprityo lurking.

Did Quin just go to Chatzy and start yelling OH SHIT THEY FOUND ME so sprit came to check it out?

booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:18 pm You did comment on that at the time.

It's still an easy way out for the baddie team though. Convince everyone DF is our indie and get him out of jail. It almost worked.

But what about the fact you were only convinced to vote for DF when I showed you his interaction with Sprityo? Shouldn't that mean he is mafia instead of indie?

That was pre-survival. I thought he was bad then. His survival changed my thinking into believing he was indy. There was also a missed night kill around that time (before that, I think), and my theory at the time was that DF was the kill then too.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:12 pm I also haven't forgotten the attempt to do a CFD on the day DF got lynched for the second time, after voting for him in the first lynch.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:54 pm CFD on Neverwhere, peeps? Got nothing at all to say about him. He and G-Man, maybe Dizzy are all on the PoE list I hate so much.
Why would you attempt a CFD when the person you tried to lynch yesterday and who survived because of abilities is being lynched again?

This looks actually worse than Never, since not only Never did not attempt to throw such a huge wrench at our successful baddie lynch, but she was also the second person to push a lynch on DF in the first lynch (you were the fourth, iirc).

I anticipated to take heat for this. I thought he was an unkillable Mewtwo. I was wrong.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:08 pm I could vote for Quin. Dom being Sprityo and DFaraday's teammate makes some sense.

No it doesn't. How does it make sense?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:05 pm Fine.

Still suspicious for the whole "calling DF" thing.

I'm assuming by "Calling DF" you mean my question to him. In which case I'd say that it would be very silly of me to go along with his answer before coming up with some conclusion on DF if I'm bad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:02 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:00 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:57 pm This is suspicious:

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:30 pm
I remember that DFaraday more or less just said 'cool' to my case on boo when I initially posted it, and said he'd look into his votes which hasn't come to anything yet. It was only a disappointment then, but it's 'helped' reassure me in my read of boo, which I could do to hold off on to figure out how I feel about DFaraday.

@DFaraday, did you ever look through boo yourself? What did you think?

Wilgy, I got to page 2 of your ISO and still didn't have anything to talk about. That did annoy me, because you mentioned how you thrive better when there's stuff to talk about with you.

Talk about that.
Possibly calling your teammate to help push a wagon on this guy you have been tiptoing around for a week.

In that post I say that I'm backtracking in my read on boo because of DFaraday. I don't see how you can interpret that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:57 pm*points up*

I noticed.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:57 pm This is suspicious:

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:30 pm
I remember that DFaraday more or less just said 'cool' to my case on boo when I initially posted it, and said he'd look into his votes which hasn't come to anything yet. It was only a disappointment then, but it's 'helped' reassure me in my read of boo, which I could do to hold off on to figure out how I feel about DFaraday.

@DFaraday, did you ever look through boo yourself? What did you think?

Wilgy, I got to page 2 of your ISO and still didn't have anything to talk about. That did annoy me, because you mentioned how you thrive better when there's stuff to talk about with you.

Talk about that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:55 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:46 pm oh but that's totally not happening here k
Well then...

oi

oh but that's totally not happening here k

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:44 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:40 pm It's also totally impossible that Dom was bad and wasn't around to send evo points, screwing with that whole process, by the way. Pinky promise.
Because bad Quin would've hid Dom's absence. This wouldn't have been pointed out.

In all honesty Quin would've pointed out Dom's absence because he's a masochist who likes to make himself look bad.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:41 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:37 pm If the mafia team were strictly alternating their evolution points between them, sprityo should have evolved into Persian before the time he was lynched (since we gave points Night 0, Night 1 and Night 2). He hadn't, therefore they didn't.
Quin. I like this. I like this alot.

Do you know why?

No

It's also totally impossible that Dom was bad and wasn't around to send evo points, screwing with that whole process, by the way. Pinky promise.

If the mafia team were strictly alternating their evolution points between them, sprityo should have evolved into Persian before the time he was lynched (since we gave points Night 0, Night 1 and Night 2). He hadn't, therefore they didn't.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:14 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:45 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:27 am I evo voted for the following:

D0: Timmer
N1: Dom
N2: Boo
N3: Dom
N4: Boo
N5: Tink
N6: Neverwhere
N7: Tink
N8: [Abstained]

I threw votes at Dom back when he was AWOL because it seemed safe to vote for a non-player rather than risk voting for an active baddie by accident. Then Quin replaced Dom on Day 4, which ended that plan. I abstained last night just to be safe. There's a chance that everyone here has evolved already anyway but I abstained in case the last baddie still needed one more vote.
Why not just abstain all those other nights?
It would have been boring that way. I voted where I saw something I liked, minus the Dom votes.

I'm talking about the Dom votes. If you're bad, you gave points to a civilian who you knew wasn't going to be around. If you're town, you took a 50 50 shot on an unreadable player. I'd say you were better off not risking it and not giving points at all.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:27 am I evo voted for the following:

D0: Timmer
N1: Dom
N2: Boo
N3: Dom
N4: Boo
N5: Tink
N6: Neverwhere
N7: Tink
N8: [Abstained]

I threw votes at Dom back when he was AWOL because it seemed safe to vote for a non-player rather than risk voting for an active baddie by accident. Then Quin replaced Dom on Day 4, which ended that plan. I abstained last night just to be safe. There's a chance that everyone here has evolved already anyway but I abstained in case the last baddie still needed one more vote.

Why not just abstain all those other nights?

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:21 pm I see we were a talkative bunch today.

If I were to rank everyone from civvie to baddie, it looks more or less like this:

G-Man
Boo & DrWilgy
Neverwhere
DDL & Quin

Anyone else want to make a rainbow?

Why do you suspect DDL? You mention him in your PoE a lot but your only real reference to it is that he was omitted from sprityo's list. Is there anything else?

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:16 pm I won't be awake for the lynch post. I'm going to vote for Dyslexicon. Quin may want to move his vote unless he's open to Dyslexicon coming back to tie it up.

don't tell me what to do, squid

i did tho

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:30 pm I'm expressing surprise at the notion that we may all actually vote finally. This game has been nightmare.

Also, Golden the Coward subbed into Economics and hit the ground running. His tenacity to read and understand made him seem good when we were trying to find the last baddie- him. Hitting a game mid-stream is great cover for a baddie because it takes forever to build up the kind of content required for people to form opinions about you. You also get the benefit of the doubt because you have to catch up on a deeper level. In other words, you may have earned a seat on the back burner as a baddie. By the time I caught on to Golden the Coward, we had maybe 10 minutes left to vote and I had posted in pics and memes all game, so I got lynched at Lylo and the baddies won.

I meant your comments on me and Dizzy, not the surprise part. I get what you were trying to say now though.

as for this post

um

no!

DFaraday wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:53 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:41 pm If we're thinking it's a missed nightkill, Tink and Dizzy come to mind first. Tink's been gone since Night 1, and Dizzy never posted during the night. I think everyone else did, though I'll verify that.
We've been getting kills every night up until now though. I guess Tink could have been sending kills up to this point, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

DF leaves Dizzy out of this post, but it also reinforces the idea that the missed night kill on Night 5 wasn't actually a miss. Since he was here. Yeah.

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:22 pm It just dawned on me that we may actually see everyone vote today. That hasn't happened all game.

If I move Neverwhere to a yellow color, I am left looking at DDL, Dyslexicon, and Quin. Of the three, I feel like Dyslexicon or Quin could be the final baddie. Dyslexicon disappeared sometime during Night 1, not to be seen again for ages. Dom was absent until Quin took over mid-game, a-la Golden the Coward 2.0 in Economics Mafia.

I do not understand the relevance of either of these.

I'm voting G-Man. I'm confident he's our evil squid.

Aside from his name in post-survival wall post, here's every instance where DF interactions with G-Man.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:02 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 3:26 pm I'm not fine with putting such a strategy together based solely on one person's preferences. If Jack wants a list, let's all submit five or six names and select the ones that appear the most. If the plan can indeed thumb the scale in our favor, then it's too important to be nonchalant about picking names.
I agree. I don't even know some of the people on Jack's list. Although I'm really not crazy about this plan, since there's every chance we could end up empowering one or more baddies, who then will immediately take out their fellow power roles. Furthermore, if Mew/Mewtwo are part of the Oceanic Six, we'll spend the game funneling points into a black hole.

I think it might be more effective to allot points this round to a group of six, as suggested, then rotate on future rounds so that other players can get powers. Granted, this strategy pretty much ensures giving Mafia powers, but it would also keep an array of civvie powers in play even if Mafia start NKing power roles.

Discussion of evolution strategies.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:40 pm If we're still considering alternatives to Jack's list:

G-Man
Boo
DDL
Dyslexicon

Those are the only ones I'm leaning somewhat civ on so far.

Promotion for G-Man to get an evo point.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:58 pm What don't people like about G-Man? He's not a super high poster, but I'm getting a genuine attempt at helpfulness from him.

Boo, you said before you wanted to lynch LC. Is this still the case?

Soft defence of the guy.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:20 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 7:47 pm Is anyone suspicious of Dragon D. Luffy or DrWilgy? According to my spreadsheet, neither one has received a vote all game. There's been mentions of them but never any votes. Neverwhere hasn't received any votes either but her circumstances are different. DDL and Wilgy have plenty of content to comb through and haven't had as many things holding them back from the thread. Perhaps these folks haven't been high enough on our suspiciometers or perhaps we collectively latch onto other options that push them aside.

Thoughts?

Linki: well then. Hi there Wilgy. Any other thoughts on Dyslexicon, DDL, or Fred? What other specifics stand out to you?
Wilgy is one of my top suspects today because of his chummy tone with Sprityo. Also his voting record doesn't help him at all. Mac and Fred are also possibilities, so if I can look over their posts and try to find any Sprityo connections. That's a big if right now though.

Talking about suspects.

Overall, it's sunshine and rainbows. I hate sunshine and rainbows.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:57 pm
boo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:52 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:35 pm To the DDL voters: On Day 6, he was quite invested in the DF lynch. He re-voted DF pretty much as soon as Day 7 started. His lynch yesterday was not inevitable. Do you believe that was a bus?
Yup.
well that's no fun.

that's a cue to explain your thoughts btw

boo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:52 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:35 pm To the DDL voters: On Day 6, he was quite invested in the DF lynch. He re-voted DF pretty much as soon as Day 7 started. His lynch yesterday was not inevitable. Do you believe that was a bus?
Yup.

well that's no fun.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:52 pm Guys what do you think of my case on Nevermind? So far only Never herself has talked about it.

My two cents:

DF's wall post came after I'd given him an out in suggesting he could be an unkillable indy. That said, he never really tried to convince us of that assumption so he'd be in too vulnerable a position to be distancing (just meaning that he's a more likely lynch candidate than others). An observation is that with one baddie left after DF, it's more likely that he'd leave his remaining teammate in the larger pool, ignoring WIFOM. Including WIFOM, I am sad.

My conclusion is that I don't think Neverwhere looks bad in DF's interaction with him. Need to look at actual posts tho

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:35 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:54 pm CFD on Neverwhere, peeps? Got nothing at all to say about him. He and G-Man, maybe Dizzy are all on the PoE list I hate so much.
Add this to the list of people who looked bad last night.

Specially since in the previous night, Quin was the last one to vote DF.

i was scrolling through your posts to read your case and remembered this post that i tried to defend myself against before. i just realised i didn't even vote for him last. you did.

To the DDL voters: On Day 6, he was quite invested in the DF lynch. He re-voted DF pretty much as soon as Day 7 started. His lynch yesterday was not inevitable. Do you believe that was a bus?

I need to look at Neverwhere, so I'll get on that and your case after coffee DDL.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:51 pm I want to know why she voted for Quin.

me too. rude.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:35 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:54 pm CFD on Neverwhere, peeps? Got nothing at all to say about him. He and G-Man, maybe Dizzy are all on the PoE list I hate so much.
Add this to the list of people who looked bad last night.

Specially since in the previous night, Quin was the last one to vote DF.

And DF didn't die. An unnecessary aversion to lynching a teammate if I'm bad.

well hot dog

Guess not.

Voted Dizzy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:58 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:56 pm Not particularly happy about a Wilgy lynch. His latest posts make me feel good. 'Tis some genuine stuff. I don't want to risk another missed lynch in DF and my G-Man lynch isn't going to happen, but I think I can get more out of him with some time anyway. Everyone else I have a civilian argument for. Thus, Neverwhere or Dizzy.
I voted for self pres. I want to see G-Man lynched vefore me.

Would both you and G-Man vote for either of my two? No ties.

Not particularly happy about a Wilgy lynch. His latest posts make me feel good. 'Tis some genuine stuff. I don't want to risk another missed lynch in DF and my G-Man lynch isn't going to happen, but I think I can get more out of him with some time anyway. Everyone else I have a civilian argument for. Thus, Neverwhere or Dizzy.

CFD on Neverwhere, peeps? Got nothing at all to say about him. He and G-Man, maybe Dizzy are all on the PoE list I hate so much.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:36 pm I find myself at a crossroads.
- I can see value in lynching DF, while I'm not super suspicious of him.
- I see the most value in eliminating Dizzy.
- I'd like to lynch G-Man

But you'll vote self-pres in the end, no?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:22 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:16 pm Wilgy is giving me baddie Quin Mad Max vibes, his openness that he doesn't care about the alternatives while his preference is still alive was my shtick. It is scary.

@Wilgy, you're trying to lynch a low poster in Dizzy while Tink is much less active than he is. Am I missing something? What's up?
I don't know what you meam by that Quin. I was mislynched in madmax rivht as I became active.

With Dizzy, I have literally nothing keeping me from going "this persons not bad." I have nothing on Dizzy other than "Hahaha, look how inactive I am." And I dont get how we tolerate that kind of play.

With Tink, for them to be bad, the day we lynched Sprityo we would've had 2 baddies tied up. I don't think that's the case. Also, Eloh seemed very sure Tink was civ.

I'm just saying that your approach to lynching Dizzy is similar to how I was hellbent on lynching Dom, and only Dom, in Mad Max.

Fair enough with Tink, but I don't think Tink should be cleared just because it would have meant two baddies tied up. What makes her look good, which I keep forgetting, is that sprityo was lynched over Tink in a tie situation, and that would be a very silly scum strategy if they're both bad.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:33 pm It's wrong, but I still like it.

I'll take the praise, but I'm still voting for you.

Why was Mac's vote a deterrent to vote for sprityo? Why did you wait so long to vote?

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