The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:Lol. Fun game, wish I could have stuck around longer.

Way to go Quin. And others, but mostly quin. Please play more

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:I actually really hate being mafia. Townies are fantastic.

Me too. No-one believes it because I have played well as mafia. But I'd be fine being a townie every time.

Although I guess I wouldn't say 'really hate'. More like 'prefer' to be town.

I thought you did a good job seeming townie, Quin. If I was playing, I think I would have had you pegged as town.

Quin wrote:Gg pals. I am surprised I did as well as I did. I didn't receive a single vote at any point

Can someone explain how it ended though?

Did it come down to a coin toss or something? Since I wanted bullz dead and they clearly wanted Epi dead, and if both happened it would've been a draw between Daisy and I.

Nerolunar wrote:

Quin wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Can we assume that there are 2 baddies left and one ninja/rogue/indy, although the baddies are on different teams? Is it a coincidence that 3 people so far have voted for me?

Could the rogue be rooting for the mafia and helping them eliminate the civs, and then hope they target eachother/the last civ? I don´t like that 3 people were quick to vote for me and now seems to be riding the wave to victory.
If one of you 3 is civ or rogue, please reconsider your vote.

Meanwhile I will be voting Epignosis. He is the one that strikes me as bad the most out of all of you.

I don't see any feasible way for there to be a total of six mafia and a rogue. If that were the case, the game would have ended the moment it started since mafia would outnumber town.

Oh, yeah youre right. But how are there 3 night kills then?

Do/did we have a vig?

Nerolunar wrote:Can we assume that there are 2 baddies left and one ninja/rogue/indy, although the baddies are on different teams? Is it a coincidence that 3 people so far have voted for me?

Could the rogue be rooting for the mafia and helping them eliminate the civs, and then hope they target eachother/the last civ? I don´t like that 3 people were quick to vote for me and now seems to be riding the wave to victory.
If one of you 3 is civ or rogue, please reconsider your vote.

Meanwhile I will be voting Epignosis. He is the one that strikes me as bad the most out of all of you.

Bullzeye wrote:Well then that would have to mean Quin saved you since you deny having done it. We'll see what he says.

thellama73 wrote:

Quin wrote:I hadn't analysed the votes, so I didn't know that happened. Even with that information, I don't think I am significantly less suspicious of him than I was before. If we consider the possibility that there are multiple mafia teams, it could be that Bullz is mafia, but not on the same team as whoever you're talking about (I'll fill in the gaps after I submit this)

Specific players aside, do you agree or disagree with the idea of multiple mafia teams? Could you think of any other explanations for the sheer amount of consistent mafia kills?

I'm actually quite confused by it all, because we have had three mafia dead and the game hasn't ended. A team of four seems overpowered in a twelce player game. Two teams of two is more likely, but still wouldn't account for the third kill, uless there is a serial killer or civ ninja.

If I had to guess, , I would say two teams of two and a civ ninja, which means we would only have to kill one more to win. Note that we haven't seen any power roles yet, so civ ninja is likely to be one of those.

Bullzeye wrote:

Quin wrote:By the way, that was rude as heck.


I would be inclined to vote for Bullzeye. He was incredibly defensive against my question yesterday which I didn't like. He even tried to label it as 'random voting' although it was clearly not. His truly random vote on Day 1 is still a significant ping for me.

I am not seeing Epi in the same light as everyone else, especially now. I feel like Wilgy was extremely unreasonable in the way he interrogated and still voted for Epi. I guess this explains why.

If you think that that was me being defensive... let alone incredibly defensive... that just shows you don't know me at all. I always get accused of being overdefensive no matter what I say or what my alignment is (to be honest I think some people just say it to me because they've heard it said about me before) and it used to bother me quite a bit but more recently I've really just stopped caring. I do think it was appropriate to describe what you were trying to do as random, because you just threw votes down on names and expected them to explain why it was a bad idea. It may have been a reasonable strategy, but it still would've been a random vote if you'd just left it on someone because they hadn't said anything to you.

Nerolunar wrote:Do you guys think there might be two baddie teams? I don´t think it´s unlikely. Maybe 2 baddies on each team?

I'm fine with a Daisy lynch today. She looks more suspicious to me than the rest of us, maybe excluding Epi.

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:My evening itinerary is dinner, bottle, bath time, story, and tuck in. The first two are complete and I'll return after completing the others.

I think I'll change and come back to G-Man. Bubby's take priority, after all.

Sig, your turn.

My turn for what?

'What makes you a bad lynch'?

Why would I be a good lynch? I haven't done anything suspicious I don't think, I've made cases and stated my opinion of people, and have been an active town player.

What makes you a bad lynch?

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:My evening itinerary is dinner, bottle, bath time, story, and tuck in. The first two are complete and I'll return after completing the others.

I think I'll change and come back to G-Man. Bubby's take priority, after all.

Sig, your turn.

My turn for what?

Spacedaisy wrote:You last post was unclear. Who are you talking about? Epi or Nero? My vote is placed on the person I believe is bad, so that is how I am helping to lynch a baddie. Unless you have info I do not. I don't know that either are bad and in fact I lean civ on Epi atm. Why would I contribute tolynch of someone I am less convinced is bad?

I find you difficult to read and you give me all kinds of pings. I was hoping my mind would be changed on you but so far it is not.

G-Man wrote:

Quin wrote:I'll skip Epi (and Nero) since they're already in the hot seat and have already given me what I'm looking for in their defences.

G-Man, why are you a bad lynch?

I suspected you might skip over Epi and proceed directly to me. I have been a nexus of conversation this game, which is different. I'm not usually the top poster in a game but I'm content. I tried a different approach this game and it's been very informative. The fact that you guys didn't run straight at me speaks volumes. You could have made me an easy lynch but something prevented that. That something is the persistent inkling that what I say makes sense. You sense at least a grain of truth in what I say. Listen to that small voice that is whispering to you, "trust him."

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:To explain why I'm not voting for Epi, he almost already will break ties. It doesn't say anything about his alignment in my opinion.

And I just don't know nero.

But it also doesn't help us lynch baddies. If he's bad he can continue sitting back and swinging votes to whomever he wants if that's your mindset.

Quin wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, I don't know what you mean about taking it so seriously. It wasn't that I was taking it that seriously, it was simply that everyone was talking about wilgy claiming doctor and seemed to be generally feeling good about him, so I got nervous about my own generally bad vibes from him maybe being wrong and backed off.

I'm really surprised by the people saying I haven't been contributing my own thoughts or suspicions. I feel like there is group thinking going on that I don't like. I would encourage price to evaluate my posts for themselves because I absolutely have been bringing my own thoughts into it. Sig I get you find it suspect that I get defensive, but how would you react if someone came in and painted you as bad based on something untrue. Wouldn't you get a bit defensive too?

I don't think anybody else was talking about his role claim at all. Nobody responded to it from what I saw until you read my post and changed your vote. I suppose 'serious' may not have been the right word. Cautious, maybe?

You bring up a good point about group thinking, I might have another look and see what people have had to say about you.

Can someone please ratio my opinions to others that I've gone with? Also, Quin, Sig clearly explained earlier my existence as a Doctor, which I most definitely am!

Quin wrote:If anyone has an alternative vote that's not Epi or Nero, I'd like to hear it. I can't agree with lynching either of them. It seems that the primary reason for lynching either of them is their 'fluff' posts, but they've also carried on with legitimate discussion that I think counters those suspicions.

What would you classify as legitimate discussion? questions that I've asked and gotten little to no response back? other than sass? Perhaps me asking Epi who would've he voted for before the night ended, and him responding next day with nothing but bullsuit answers.

Epi has been turning down questions that I've been asking. Simple questions too, just opinions.

G-Man wrote:My evening itinerary is dinner, bottle, bath time, story, and tuck in. The first two are complete and I'll return after completing the others.

DrWilgy wrote:

Quin wrote:I pose the same question to Dr Wilgy, now.

I'm not bad and have been baddie hunting since the game began? If I didn't respond to this would've you left your vote on me?

Spacedaisy wrote:But at least one or two other people had him down as good. Those two things together made me nervous that I was missing something other people were picking up.

Bullzeye wrote:The fact I'm not a baddie makes me a bad lynch. Like seriously what else do you expect me to say.

Bullzeye wrote:I don't know why you think I have info to give you.

Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, I don't know what you mean about taking it so seriously. It wasn't that I was taking it that seriously, it was simply that everyone was talking about wilgy claiming doctor and seemed to be generally feeling good about him, so I got nervous about my own generally bad vibes from him maybe being wrong and backed off.

I'm really surprised by the people saying I haven't been contributing my own thoughts or suspicions. I feel like there is group thinking going on that I don't like. I would encourage price to evaluate my posts for themselves because I absolutely have been bringing my own thoughts into it. Sig I get you find it suspect that I get defensive, but how would you react if someone came in and painted you as bad based on something untrue. Wouldn't you get a bit defensive too?

Bullzeye wrote:By voting randomly.

Bullzeye wrote:

Quin wrote:Let's do it this way.

I voted for bullzeye, simply because he's at the top of the list. Nothing more, nothing less.

How would you convince me to change my vote, bullzeye?

I mean I'd start with the fact that that's no better (arguably worse) than my random vote yesterday that nearly got me killed.

Bullzeye wrote:

Quin wrote: What pinged you about Wilgy's doctor claim? Obviously if somebody claims a role that early it should be discussed. And nobody else seemed to be interested in it.

Wilgy pretty much always begins games by saying he most definitely is/is not a doctor. Nobody who knows this will have seen anything unusual with him doing so this game. Assuming that's what you're referring to anyway.

G-Man wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

G-Man wrote:Finishing up ISO's on those players I did not get to yesterday:

Spacedaisy was similarly absent for most of D1 until the deadline approached. She blames prep work on her upcoming game to justify her absence. She did give us one substantial post that can be picked apart. She changed her vote to me because Wilgy's claim made her nervous. During N1 she commented on other posts, giving no concrete personal thoughts. She's another one that I am concerned about hiding behind a smokescreen.

This is questionable recapping. While I was largely absent Day 0 and 1, I did participate as much as I was able and gave my own solid reasons for my votes and my thoughts on various people. Then in N1 I became much more vocal with my "personal thoughts" basically discussing my concerns about the fact you and Llama were both appearing to claim the same role ability. I became more active because we got most of the leg work done on the game, now we are just waiting to fill it. There is no smokescreen.

Let's let other players review your posts and see what they think.

sig wrote:@Llama what do you think about Wilgy voting for Epi with you?

Did a quick ISO on Quin.

Quin wrote:Generally I would go for a Day 1 no lynch, but judging by the polls that doesn't seem to be all that popular a choice here. I'll come back with a vote pretty soon, I guess.

Would rather go for a no lynch then a day 1 lynch this is cultural so this is neutral to me.

Quin wrote:I'll put my vote forward for sig, I guess.

Random vote for me, slightly pingy.

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Quin wrote:I'll put my vote forward for sig, I guess.

Is there any reasoning for your vote or are you picking randomly?

I don't recall seeing him post yet, if anything. I'd just rather spare the people who will more likely create an active game from being lynched.

So he explains his random vote by saying he hadn't seen any of my post yet. Looking back I find this hard to believe, while I only had five posts, I was the first player to make a post. So this is pingy.

Quin wrote:Nevermind. He has posted. I'll move it to someone who actually hasn't posted yet.

This post was the next one he did, walking back his vote.

Quin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting for Quin for wanting to vote for the only option guaranteed to not catch a baddie.

How do you know it's guaranteed not to catch a baddie?

I was referring to the "no lynch" option, for which Quin expressed a preference. If we don't lynch people, it's impossible to catch bad guys.

Yeah, I pretty much always do a no lynch unless the situation demands it. But I never do it past Day 1. I like to backup my votes with role related evidence, so on Day 1 I generally default to a NL.

That's not to say I'm not taking suspicious behaviours into account. I'm definitely doing that.

More about no lynching, not an alignment indicator at all.

Quin wrote:Changing my vote to Bullzeye. A completely random lynch just doesn't make any sense to me, even when there's close to no information to go off of.

Votes for Bulls based around a random vote, this post seems genuine.

Quin wrote:I have mixed feelings on llama right now. I'm inclined to believe he is town, owing to the way he presented his 'rainbow list', and I don't doubt the validity of his role claim, but I don't understand why he would claim it in the first place. I can't think of a single way it benefits him.

I quoted it before but I lost it, but I honestly think SVS missing the vote was an honest mistake, since I thought the day phase was 48 hours as well. But I still acknowledge whoever it was that said he hasn't been saying much with any relevance.

Same thoughts on Llama as earlier, but also what I see as some soft defense of SVS. Minor ping from this post.

Also at some point he mentioned Wilgy's doctor claim, I'm not sure what to make of it but, it gave me a bad gut ping.


This isn't as much as I thought it would be, but right know I'm reading Quin as a scum lean. His interactions with SVS are pingy, and I dislike his random vote for me.


linki: Who do you plan to vote for G-man?

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:

sig wrote:I got nothing from that, not much game interactions or thoughts at all. She had a back and forth with Llama not game related stuff, could this have been cooked up between them?

Then this which I think is a bit better.

S~V~S wrote:

Quin wrote:I have mixed feelings on llama right now. I'm inclined to believe he is town, owing to the way he presented his 'rainbow list', and I don't doubt the validity of his role claim, but I don't understand why he would claim it in the first place. I can't think of a single way it benefits him.

I quoted it before but I lost it, but I honestly think SVS missing the vote was an honest mistake, since I thought the day phase was 48 hours as well. But I still acknowledge whoever it was that said he hasn't been saying much with any relevance.

That is a pretty safe statement since I pretty much missed the entirety of Day One; I think I made one post, and that was a role play attempt. My other game was a harder catch up so I did that first, now I am ready to go here. My apologies for my Day One fail.

Quin's post looks pingy imo.

What about it do you not like? Please elaborate.

You gave some soft defense of SVS in this post, which also seems kind off like cover for an inactive teammate. This also gave SVS an opportunity to answer back and defend herself without outwardly defending herself.

sig wrote:I got nothing from that, not much game interactions or thoughts at all. She had a back and forth with Llama not game related stuff, could this have been cooked up between them?

Then this which I think is a bit better.

S~V~S wrote:

Quin wrote:I have mixed feelings on llama right now. I'm inclined to believe he is town, owing to the way he presented his 'rainbow list', and I don't doubt the validity of his role claim, but I don't understand why he would claim it in the first place. I can't think of a single way it benefits him.

I quoted it before but I lost it, but I honestly think SVS missing the vote was an honest mistake, since I thought the day phase was 48 hours as well. But I still acknowledge whoever it was that said he hasn't been saying much with any relevance.

That is a pretty safe statement since I pretty much missed the entirety of Day One; I think I made one post, and that was a role play attempt. My other game was a harder catch up so I did that first, now I am ready to go here. My apologies for my Day One fail.

Quin's post looks pingy imo.

thellama73 wrote:

Quin wrote:I have mixed feelings on llama right now. I'm inclined to believe he is town, owing to the way he presented his 'rainbow list', and I don't doubt the validity of his role claim, but I don't understand why he would claim it in the first place. I can't think of a single way it benefits him.

I quoted it before but I lost it, but I honestly think SVS missing the vote was an honest mistake, since I thought the day phase was 48 hours as well. But I still acknowledge whoever it was that said he hasn't been saying much with any relevance.

It benefits me by providing more data for the thread to analyze. Mafia benefit from secrecy. Civilians benefit from information. If people accept my claim as true, it means that either C-Man is lying, or there are two roles with the same power. If there are, we can decide how likely it is that they are the same alignment. I think this is fodder for productive discussion.

Agreed about SVS.

G-Man wrote:I can think of a very strategic reason for Llama to lie.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:Epi, what was it that convinced you to vote G-Man over bullzeye?

I posted on one of them and I didn't post on the other. Bullzeye has a British accent that girls find hot, so I probably should've voted him instead.

thellama73 wrote:Also, I don't know what you're talking about "the potential third power role". What makes you think there are only three power roles? Who said there were Indies? I think you assume a lot.

thellama73 wrote:

sig wrote:Interesting, though is that more likely a civ role or mafia role?

The weird thing is that I apparently have the same power as C-Man, and I am civ. So I have to wonder whether a) he is lying b) there is more than one civ with the same power or c) he is a baddie counterpart to my civvieness.