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I'm confused again since Nero actually was mafia. If there's two teams of 3 there's one extra that I can't explain. Maybe there was just one extra mafia on their team or something.

No I don't, ignore that.

I think that there's 3 mafia teams after all.

inb4 night killed

Quin will kill Bullzeye

In case I die I figured I'd provide my thoughts on roles and stuff. They're not really based on anything major. Just a fun guess.
Quin, Epi, Sorscha [Mafia Team #1]
llama, Nero, Bullz [Civ]
Daisy [Rogue]

Epignosis wrote:Quin kills thellama73.

I don't think anybody is ever going to want llama lynched. Whether you want to keep him until the end or kill him, I don't mind. At this point I doubt there's a tracker mixed in but I'll still do the kill, whoever our target may be.

I think bullzeye might be helpful in getting nero lynched, so I think we should leave him alone.

Should we risk killing llama and either getting rid of his defence or getting rid of him?

What do you think about Nero's claim of ignorance as to why he didn't die? I don't see any reason why he would lie about it.

I never had a mafia read on llama but he is my top candidate for who I think the last killer is. Whether that be serial killer or ninja is still TBD.

If we assume there are two mafia teams of 3 and a serial killer then at this point we've eliminated the second mafia team. It should be that only two people die tonight following that. It's likely I'll be killed tonight because my protection is definitely gone. It could also be Nero, unless he's the one with the killing ability.

I would suggest killing bullzeye tonight. The bandwagon is leaving on him and it might become hard to lynch him later on. It really depends.

Sorsha wrote:Llama has been wording things like there is more than one Mafia team. Not sure if that's significant or if I should bring it up.

If you were a civ in this game would you be thinking two Mafia teams or that it's one team with more than 3 players at this point?

I couldn't say for sure but I'd know that there is something 'weird' going on. I would've ruled out a single large mafia team because it doesn't explain all the night kills.

I legitimately think llama is town at this point.

As long as llama doesn't stick to you like he has been. I don't even remember what it was that started it.

I'm surprised I haven't screwed up yet. But we could do either, as long as it doesn't look like we're sheeping eachother so obviously.

I don't think llama would be a good choice for me, since I've claimed I read him town quite a few times. It might be a bit sketchy.

Sorsha wrote:
Quin wrote:Do you think that there are three mafia teams? Could it be some sort of starsign compatibility thing?

Could hosts confirm whether our starsigns impact the game in any way?
Four teams of three each?

It is completely unreasonable, but it explains three kills each night.

Both sloonei and G-Man had 1-time immunities, so we could assume the other 2 living civ's have the same ability. That, and having three teams killing eachother during night phases might balance that out. That's what I think, anyway.

Epignosis wrote:Whatever the setup, I think it may be wise to consider us all voting together since we have our numbers.

That's true. Who would you recommend?

Do you think that there are three mafia teams? Could it be some sort of starsign compatibility thing?

Could hosts confirm whether our starsigns impact the game in any way?

Sorsha wrote:hey hosties

are you going to tell us if a team is eliminated, if there is more than one team?

i thought you posted this on the game thread for a second

linki: that would be a major giveaway imho

Epignosis wrote:Quin will kill sig.

I assume from last night's discussion, we're cool with that.

I don't mind.

By the way, if there ever comes a point where you see a lynch bandwagon coming for me (especially if I still have my immunity) don't have reservations about jumping on it.

Epignosis wrote:If I'm remotely right about the setup of this game, I think my best shot at surviving a lynch is to pretend I won't be lynched.

You see, it's true that I've only ever been lynched six times in my life (three good, three bad, if you were wondering). That's from years of active playing.

But I've been Night killed more times than I can count. I almost never make it to endgame.

G-Man freely cast aside his protection. I would not do so- I would attempt to save myself in order to keep from being night killed (which is what always happens to me).

So it may be best to frame it that way, and if enough civilians also have these protections, they might buy what I'm selling and leave me alone.

Long shot, but hell.

You may as well try. You're currently the top lynch priority from what I can tell so it's go big or go home.

Now seeing that sig is onto you, I think we should kill him. It'd turn out like one of those 'Is Epi stupid enough to kill off everyone who suspects him' arguments and it'll be easy enough to convince them otherwise, I think.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:Who do you think we should kill tonight?
sig or DrWilgy. I'd be fine with either one. I'd be fine with anyone.

Killing sig would be nice since he's not currently after me and it might not look as bad. I am almost convinced Wilgy has a power role of some sort, however. I feel the same about llama, but I'm not sure he is a priority.

I suppose that if two people die again we should really consider a second mafia team. I had an original suspicion that the people with the same starsign as another player would be bulletproof, but that doesn't work since Sorscha and sig have the same starsign but Sorscha isn't kill-proof.

I guess that having everyone protected in some way would justify a second mafia team, but I'm still not convinced it's more likely than a serial killer.

Who do you think we should kill tonight?

Epignosis wrote:I've been thinking about this setup ever since Sloonei and S~V~S died (and G-Man survived and died).

My initial instinct was that S~V~S had been a fake role reveal, but that's a Mafia power, not a civilian one (and a terribly nasty one at that). I was surprised.

In a 12-person game, 6v3v3 would be terribly unbalanced.

However, the protections are "mechanics" and not "powers," so with Quin, Sloonei, and G-Man all having protections,I think it means most people have them.

And there were apparently three kills Night 1, not two.

This is what I think the setup looks like:

Civilian
Civilian
Civilian
Civilian
Civilian
One protection, either from a lynch or Night kill.
Civilian with a kill

Mafia with a protection
Mafia
Mafia

Mafia with a protection
Mafia
Mafia

I think whomever we kill tonight will survive unless we hit the vigilante or the vanilla player from the other team.

I'm still a bit unsure about the two mafia teams thing, but your thinking makes sense. Could SVS have been similar to a miller in that they appear as mafia on death? Maybe a traitor who would join the mafia team under certain circumstances?

There could also be a rogue serial killer.

LINKI!!!!!!!!!!!! That's good. I still won't say anything but that's nice to know.

I had thought that I was lynch AND bulletproof going off of my role description. I interpreted 'attack on your life' to be all inclusive. Now I think I'm strictly a night-kill proof. That makes more sense since giving a mafia lynch immunity is unbalanced. I could have had fun with it if that were the case, though.

I sincerely doubt that there are two mafia teams. I wonder if all three power roles are vigilantes. If that's the case two were used night 1 and there's one more in hiding.

I think Wilgy might be a good kill tonight. He has a lot of confidence in what he's saying and he was completely unreasonable in attempting to lynch Epi so I think he could possibly be a cop if my previous thinking is wrong.

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Um, that won't work. G-Man would just vote me and bring it 4-3.
You'd have to time it really well. But I don't know how easy that will be, seeing as the days aren't ending at a specific time.
Days are ending when the poll closes. You can set the time of the site to be your time zone, so that the poll will tell you when it ends.

Ooh. Alright

What does the Linki in half of everyone's posts mean? Similarly, what does ISO stand for?

I'm also surprised that G-Man didn't just vote you to save himself.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Um, that won't work. G-Man would just vote me and bring it 4-3.
You'd have to time it really well. But I don't know how easy that will be, seeing as the days aren't ending at a specific time.
I don't know how much mileage you'd get voting Sorsha when she has no chance of getting lynched. People here will read that as distancing from your teammate for sure.

You're better off saying you think I'm genuine and try to save me (just my opinion- I'll understand if you don't want to risk that).

I'm hesitating involving myself with you right now, especially after Sorscha gave you the opportunity to create a tie. I don't think I could say anything to defend you given I've previously defended you. I don't want to come off as though I was pushing your innocence.

I do have my reasons for having my vote on Sorscha, though.

Epignosis wrote:Um, that won't work. G-Man would just vote me and bring it 4-3.

You'd have to time it really well. But I don't know how easy that will be, seeing as the days aren't ending at a specific time.

They are definitely stupid. The one most advocating your lynch isn't even here.

I'm keeping my vote on Sorscha unless something drastic happens. I think it'll benefit the two of us the most if I do that.

Epignosis wrote:Quin will kill Sloonei.

Sweet.

I doubt there's a tracking power in this game, but just in case there is I'll do the kill since I think I'd be less likely to be visited at this point.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:Llama has come out and said he also has the same role. I think it would be bad for me to come out now.
Keep your power to yourself. No one needs to know about it. We need to decide on a kill.
I would suggest G-Man for confirmations sake. Or sig as an alternative.
Killing G-Man informs the civilians that his suspicions were genuine. His current status doesn't lean good or bad. He'll be a question mark tomorrow.

I would be in most favor of killing sig or Sloonei. It's bland, but it makes Bullzeye look worse. If he gets lynched, the idea that we are teammates is dissolved. Sometimes the vanilla strategy is the best,

Sloonei would definitely not be a bad idea. He is a very good scumhunter and would likely find me out sooner rather than later.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:Llama has come out and said he also has the same role. I think it would be bad for me to come out now.
Keep your power to yourself. No one needs to know about it. We need to decide on a kill.

I would suggest G-Man for confirmations sake. Or sig as an alternative.

Llama has come out and said he also has the same role. I think it would be bad for me to come out now.

Sorsha wrote:Our games are usually pretty inventive. I don't think there are any rules that anyone follows. Heist games are made to be pretty basic with fewer frills than the bigger games though.

My first thought was that he's cop or doctor but that lynch survival might be his only power.

I'd feel good killing him tonight though. Just incase he does check one of us.

I don't think it would be a bad idea. I don't have a specific night kill in mind at the moment, but I think G-Man would be a better choice than sig based on the possibility that G-Man could have some extra powers. We'd find out if his role is the same as mine, too, which is important.

Sorsha wrote:So do we think the lynch survival is his only "power" or maybe he is a cop/doctor also?

I have no idea. Do roles that versatile usually appear in these games?

I wonder if G-Man's role works the same way mine does, or if its just limited to lynches. I think if it's the same then there's only 2 power roles, one for mafia and one for town. What to do...

Sorsha wrote:Not sure how much of a threat sig would be. Even if he does continue his suspicion of you. You have the noob sympathy card, sometimes that's not worth much around here though.

But if you guys want to off sig that's fine.

I definitely don't want to play the noob too much. At this point sig doesn't have anything on me worth a vote, but that could change if he insists enough. I feel like at this point whether we kill sig or not I'm going to be in trouble.

Quin wrote:are we still thinking sig, then? I am definitely worried I'll have damage control to do after but it might get worse if he lives.

for the night kill, i think.

I want to stay independent for the Day 1 lynch, at least.

are we still thinking sig, then? I am definitely worried I'll have damage control to do after but it might get worse if he lives.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:My initial thinking is to kill sig first.
What do you think about Wigleys doctor claim?
He always says that. It's in his name.
Alright then. Why do you think sig is a good choice?
sig usually gets lynched early, but that's a trend that is grinding to a halt. People are starting to consider his early demises and leave him be. He's not the easy lynch he once was. He is also unpredictable in terms of whom he will suspect, and once he becomes attached to an idea, it's hard to get him to shake it.

However, as I said, that's my initial thinking. Our first objective is to decide how we would like to approach the opening lynch.

I have always wanted to try having the entire team bandwagon a player Day 1, but nobody ever wants to go for it.

I see why people might be a bit cautious. I've seen mafia teams bandwagon on day 1 and most times it's not worked very well and the entire mafia team has been outed relatively quickly.

I'm just worried that by killing sig it may come back to bite me, since he's already made it clear that he's 'holding a grudge'. I get that he's joking around, but if people think I took him seriously I could be lynched Day 2.

Epignosis wrote:
Quin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:My initial thinking is to kill sig first.
What do you think about Wigleys doctor claim?
He always says that. It's in his name.

Alright then. Why do you think sig is a good choice?

Epignosis wrote:My initial thinking is to kill sig first.

What do you think about Wigleys doctor claim?

Golden wrote:Judging solely by your avatar, Quin, you are way to young to have the mafia experience you claim...

I've been thwarted.

Sorsha wrote:We have some bickering here too but for the most part it doesn't get too out of control.

Closed set-ups are kinda new here, hopefully this game goes better than the last heist game where the Mafia team conceded to defeat on day 3.

I've done a few closed setups in the past. I think it makes for some really good strategy down the line.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Hi Quin, welcome to the Syndicate

Where have you played before?
Slooneei rounded up a bunch of mafia fanatics on Habbo Hotel (awkward, I know) and I've played and hosted quite a few games over there in the years since. The games were never as serious or elaborate as they are here, though. There was a lot of bickering among a few people and it's recently become a bit of a bore, which is why I've come here. I definitely have some adjusting to do.
Yup, we take mafia kinda serious here. But at the same time, respect and fun are always emphasized.

Passionate is probably a better word than serious though. I'm actually not very good at taking things seriously most of the time.

Yeah, I got that vibe pretty much right away. And don't worry, 'seriousness' and I aren't a good match either.

Sorsha wrote:Hi Quin, welcome to the Syndicate

Where have you played before?

Slooneei rounded up a bunch of mafia fanatics on Habbo Hotel (awkward, I know) and I've played and hosted quite a few games over there in the years since. The games were never as serious or elaborate as they are here, though. There was a lot of bickering among a few people and it's recently become a bit of a bore, which is why I've come here. I definitely have some adjusting to do.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm not used to this level of detail.

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