The Syndicate

Glorfindel wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:Glorfindel-all you are doing is saying I'm wrong. Guess what? I don't believe I am. I believe you are a unclaimed cylon and very likely one of the bad ones. I will keep pushing this in hopes someone will listen to me.
I'm listening to you SilverWolf and I know full well that you believe that you're right and I totally respect that. Again for the umpteenth time, you are working from a frame of reference that is WRONG!... And what is worse, you are unprepared to even consider the possibility that you are.

I can assure you that what you've been led to believe about the way this game and how it works is WRONG. You are making assumptions based on what others have said and accepted them as fact. I promise you that they are not.

This is your post to me last night. You say I'm wrong. You say I'm just listening to others. You basically ask me to trust you.

How am I supposed to work with this? It's Mafia. I don't trust anyone.

Glorfindel wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
S~V~S wrote: Glorfindel did not claim yet, did he?
No, nor will he address my questions as to why he won't. He ignores them and just tells me I'm wrong. I fail to see how this is town at all.
I see no reason that I should have to repeat myself again. I have not ignored you at all. I have answered this question, you simply will not understand the answer. That is not my problem, it's yours that you choose not to see the truth.

You aren't giving me anything to work with. You tell me I'm wrong and that's it. That's not enough. I'll be happy to re-ISO you again and see if there's something else but even here, you could of given me more and chose not to. I see this kind of evasiveness from you constantly. If I am wrong, that's fine then show me how, but you do need to claim regardless.

I mean ISO Glorfindel's responses to me. They are all telling me I'm wrong and that's it. What else has he said to convince me he's good? I mean, if someone sees something I don't, I'm willing to listen. By all means, lay it out and I'll consider it.

As far as getting rid of G-man, that all just looks like a playstyle clash and I of all people will never judge someone on that considering how much crap I get for mine.

S~V~S wrote: Glorfindel did not claim yet, did he?

No, nor will he address my questions as to why he won't. He ignores them and just tells me I'm wrong. I fail to see how this is town at all.

Glorfindel-all you are doing is saying I'm wrong. Guess what? I don't believe I am. I believe you are a unclaimed cylon and very likely one of the bad ones. I will keep pushing this in hopes someone will listen to me.

Glorfindel needs to have the most votes and be forced to claim. Make sure the second place person is someone you want lynched today. He has refused to claim or address my questions when I ask why. Do not give him another day. He's scummy on top of refusing to claim. Put him in first. Get him to claim. Do it today.

Epignosis wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:@Vompatti-Your second vote was on Glorfindel in dead red, but I don't see it in the poll-can you add it please?

Thanks
He can't do that.

You are right.

@Vomp-never mind

Glorfindel wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:We don't know who is Cavil-aligned, but we know that for this to be a balanced mafia game there needs to be more Cavil-aligned than not. We know we have already found two of the non-Cavil-aligned cylons. Cap Six is the presumed last one, but that is only one out of the remaining cylons.
I beg your pardon, my friend? WE do not KNOW this at all. This is speculation and in my view, a convenient lie. That is also NOT a criticism of you but of the comment you made - just for the record...

This is coming from a very likely Cavil aligned cylon. Nice how he still hasn't claimed and won't say why. That he shot down the fact that nutella was an evil cylon or that any cylons were evil and is now shouting down the fact that there may be more Cavil aligned cylons out there than not. He's practically waving a banner saying he's an evil cylon most of this day phase and no one will even run him up to a claim which is really quite sad.

@Vompatti-Your second vote was on Glorfindel in dead red, but I don't see it in the poll-can you add it please?

Thanks

I think the fact that Glorfindel is pushing the angle that cylons aren't bad now is very interesting. Hey Glorf? How come you haven't answered my questions about why you didn't claim?

Polo wrote:Glorfindel's posts seem to be full of words but devoid of content.

Exactly

I'm feeling feverish again and will be laying down for the rest on the night.

Well, I didn't take any of Zebra's posts personally, just argumentative which is mafia for you.

a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.
You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.
You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.
Nothing is simple. That's probably why you think this is something that you can just make people "get" by pretending opinions are facts.

If you are town, you are gonna lose the game for us.

a2thezebra wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:He's a cylon so if he claims our number two (should be Wigly) dies and if he doesn't claim then Glor dies. Either way we have a mafia.
You're wrong on both counts. Neither Wilgy nor Glorfindel will be a successful lynch regardless of whether or not either or both of them claim.

We will get nothing if we lynch either of them. Nothing. Except the game might be over faster.

You are wrong. Wilgy and Glorf are cylons. What are the odds they are both good? Especially if I'm to believe Wilgy is good, then Glorf is almost certainly not. So yes, Glorf needs to claim or die. He needs to tell me straight up why he isn't claiming if he chooses not to. Glorf is hiding among the nonclaimers and we need to get him out.

This is really very simple and if you still don't get it, then I'm not wasting time explaining it again to you. I'm hoping others will see it and vote accordingly.

a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Silverwolf, Glorfindel needing to claim today is about as far from a fact as it gets. When you refer to your opinions as facts people are less inclined to co-ordinate with you.

The reason I asked that question is because he would be much more likely to claim if he didn't feel that you were pressuring him to do so. I get that you're trying to achieve both but by trying to do both at once you will accomplish neither, because if he thinks he's going to be lynched then he will only claim when it's too late to lynch someone besides him, and if he thinks he's not going to be lynched then he won't bother to claim because he won't consider the threat serious enough. Because it won't be.

I don't know why you need to express that other players got what you mean. Is there a reason you can't outright say it?
Glorfindel needs to claim today. Even if he does it at the last minute and the lynch is diverted to someone else he needs to claim. The only way that is gonna happen is if we put him in the lead. If I have to case him, fine but I think a lot of his posts are words with no substance. He's a cylon hiding among the non-claimers and odds are good he's not a good one. Now, I'm not gonna repeat myself over and over. He needs to claim today.
And in the spirit of not repeating ourselves, this will be the last time I attempt to get this through your head: He. Won't. Claim.

Then we put him up as the number one lynch, and he dies.

a2thezebra wrote:Silverwolf, Glorfindel needing to claim today is about as far from a fact as it gets. When you refer to your opinions as facts people are less inclined to co-ordinate with you.

The reason I asked that question is because he would be much more likely to claim if he didn't feel that you were pressuring him to do so. I get that you're trying to achieve both but by trying to do both at once you will accomplish neither, because if he thinks he's going to be lynched then he will only claim when it's too late to lynch someone besides him, and if he thinks he's not going to be lynched then he won't bother to claim because he won't consider the threat serious enough. Because it won't be.

I don't know why you need to express that other players got what you mean. Is there a reason you can't outright say it?

Glorfindel needs to claim today. Even if he does it at the last minute and the lynch is diverted to someone else he needs to claim. The only way that is gonna happen is if we put him in the lead. If I have to case him, fine but I think a lot of his posts are words with no substance. He's a cylon hiding among the non-claimers and odds are good he's not a good one. Now, I'm not gonna repeat myself over and over. He needs to claim today.

Zebra-I don't even know what question you are asking? Would it have been wiser to force him to claim rather than push for his lynch? I'm trying to achieve both because he needs to claim today. When he gets run up and then the lynch fails, then we need to have the second scummiest person lined up. If it's someone who hasn't claimed, then the third needs to be lined up. This takes careful coordination and civs working together and I'm frustrated because I don't see that. I don't feel like people are reading my posts because I've made my thoughts on Glorf pretty clear. He needs to claim today. This is a fact. I think Dex got what I mean. I'm hoping others did too.

Dex-You say you want Rico in second? Can you lay out why you think he's bad?

a2thezebra wrote:That being said, the push for Glorfindel's lynch today is utterly absurd, regardless of whether those pushing for his lynch actually want to lynch him or simply pressure him until he claims. Here's the thing...he won't claim, and if he does it will be too late to lynch someone else. I still believe that Silverwolf was forced since she's acting way, way more irrationally today than she was before.

Sigh............I can't play like this.

I give up.

Seriously. Nobody is reading a word I say.

Have fun guys. I'm not participating in this.

@Glorfindel-Why haven't you claimied cylon yet? If you are so town, why can't you do this? Or are you gonna validate my point about how all mafia has to do is withhold info like you are doing right now?

I don't want to hear fancy wording or a bunch of words. Just a straight-up answer will do.

Glorfindel wrote:
Before I abandon my constant defence as I indicated I would do, there is something that I want to share with you All (and yes, I am referring to my fellow Town members). I know that when SilverWolf returns as she promised, she will present her case for my lynching. I accept that she most fervently believes that I am Mafia and she will present (presumably a case similar to G-Man's) and I would hope will present facts which alone are ambiguous as to my guilt. What she will propose to you is that my motivation and intent has been pro-Mafia and anti-Town. As was the case with G-man's arguments, the conclusion at which you arrive will be based on your interpretation of events in light of how my motivation.

No matter what SilverWolf or G-Man or anyone else says, they are dead WRONG if they interpret my motives in any other way than in the interests of the Town in this game. I am extremely proud of the fact that I can say that throughout my 87 posts in this game there is not a single lie or deliberate untruth (business as usual for Glorfindel ). Any of you that have played with me before I think will understand the point I'm making here. I have not lied before and I am not lying now. I know there will be some who will dismiss what I've said here as a vapid emotional appeal or the like and that's their right to do so. Personally, there are things though that some of us value above winning a game of Mafia. And if you judge me as an awful Mafia player for that, then it's something I'll happily own up to. I'd also like to make the comparison between this game and life. It's difficult and it's frustrating. There are times you just want to stop and get off and there's times when it can be quite exciting and riveting. But like life, I get the feeling that all of this will only be really understood once it's over.

First paragraph pre-emptively addresses a case I may be making on him. Why even bother when it's not done yet? What is he worried about?

The second paragraph says nothing of value except asking us to believe he's not lying. What good does this do? Mafia can easily go through a game without lying. They can just withhold information.

I don't care how genuine he seems. His posts say nothing of substance. Try looking at all the words in his posts and see if you see him actually saying anything helpful this game.

Also, JJJ's coaching of Glorfindel, takes him straight off my civ list. He also got involved in the Wilgy situation to encourage Wilgy. He's also faded quite a bit since his ISO's and I am wondering if he's actually bad this game.

I see Glorfindel is pulling out the AtE card (appeal to emotion). You know, I'm not going to waste a lot of energy on this because no one ever listens anyway. Everyone goes their own way, with their own shit, and that's a big reason town loses on this site so much. It isn't worth it to me. I dealt with enough of that in Turf Wars. All these cylons can't be good. There's just no way.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Glorfindel, I have a proposition for you:

People have suspected you for days and days now, and it seems unlikely they'll be changing their minds even if you defend yourself. You've tried that already repeatedly to no avail. How about this: don't defend yourself anymore. Just don't bother. It's a waste of your time. Instead of doing that, focus 100% on baddie hunting, and produce a list of players that you have thoroughly reasoned to be suspects. Even if it ends up being a legacy that you leave behind, it will prove valuable -- more valuable than your efforts at self-defense are likely to be.

I'm thinking you are defending and coaching him too much. I had you as civ but if Glorf is bad, so are you.

Sigh............here we go again.

a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If any mislynch is being set up today, then it's not sig, it's Glorfindel.

Or Glorfindel is in fact bad and the other baddies are trying to turn the tide towards him today so no one will be lynched when he claims Cylon right at the end. After that the baddies can sit back, watch town make just a few more mistakes, and the game is lost for us.

It's one of those two.
OMG can you just stop and think for two seconds or do you always just let loose with whatever the hell comes into our brain without thinking it through?
Of all the posts I've made in this game to provoke such a response from you, why this one? I actually present two possibilities here instead of one.

:P

But really, what is your criticism of my opposition to a Glorfindel lynch today? And by criticism, I mean actual criticism.

I like Epi's plan to put Glorfindel up in first place today but the second place person better be someone we are fairly certain is bad. I can't case Glorfindel again right now because I have a fever and am going to bed. But I will. I will be pushing this hard this day phase. I think it's critical we force him to claim. Just make sure number two is someone we have a consensus is scum and make sure Glorf is number one at the end.

a2thezebra wrote:If any mislynch is being set up today, then it's not sig, it's Glorfindel.

Or Glorfindel is in fact bad and the other baddies are trying to turn the tide towards him today so no one will be lynched when he claims Cylon right at the end. After that the baddies can sit back, watch town make just a few more mistakes, and the game is lost for us.

It's one of those two.

OMG can you just stop and think for two seconds or do you always just let loose with whatever the hell comes into our brain without thinking it through?

a2thezebra wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
sig wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:So say we all!

Vote: Glorfindel
wtf? I thought you were voting for Wilgy no matter what.
She was obviously forced, do you really think you can throw shade on her for that vote?
Nope, I wasn't forced. Glorfindel needs to be lynched today for the good of the town. If he claims, then get him tomorrow.
If he's bad, he'll claim. If he's good - and I believe he is - he will be yet another mislynch that we can't afford right now.

I don't believe that you weren't forced. Perhaps you were also forced to not make it obvious or even flat-out deny it, but you were definitely forced.

I wasn't forced!! OMG

a2thezebra wrote:
sig wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:So say we all!

Vote: Glorfindel
wtf? I thought you were voting for Wilgy no matter what.
She was obviously forced, do you really think you can throw shade on her for that vote?

Nope, I wasn't forced. Glorfindel needs to be lynched today for the good of the town. If he claims, then get him tomorrow.

sig wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:So say we all!

Vote: Glorfindel
wtf? I thought you were voting for Wilgy no matter what.

I have my reasons.

So say we all!

Vote: Glorfindel

DrWilgy wrote: So assuming that I am civillian, but a cylon, what would mafia gain from defending me since alignment isn't revealed? I honestly can only see 1 or 2 players having reaction to my death other than mafia kinda saying "woohoo" there goes another one.

Civ cred, although Dex seems pretty genuine and I can understand civ reading him for it.

DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I think it is a valid reasoning, even if you do not. Even in games where you are using alternative playstyles, you still show up and tend to be somewhat of a thread leader rather than otherwise. It seems to me that you were wallflowering to me My reasoning is my reasoning, and I am sorry it displeases you, but it works for me.

And even having read every post you made up until you started taking votes just this weekend, I don't recall a single opinion you have held.

I have also said that I am going to take Dex' word for whatever he saw, but I am also not going to apologize for or backpedal from how I felt before the lynch. So can you please dial back the aggression a tad?
Aggression? I don't mean to be aggro (sorry if it seemed that way).

A Wilgy cheatsheet:
Strongest opinions, Sig, BR, and Sokoth placed a vote on me after I stated that I was a toaster. This makes little to no civ sense considering their vote would be negated. Why use your strongest power as a civ, your vote, in a position where it wouldn't count.

Strong opinion, Sig's reaction to me taking his side against Epi vs me voting for him on behalf of Scotty was not what I expect out of a civillian Sig.

Medium opinion, OA and Silver are not on the same team. I believe they have been working together now for 3 cycles rather strongly. I don't think Mafia would allow for both of them to still be alive if they were on the same team.

Weak opinion, those defending me are likely civilian. Mafia have nothing to gain out of defending me since i'll flip cylon anyways + at the rate we are going a lynch on cylon Wilgy will probably be easy.

Things I'm looking for: BR and Silver's feedback regarding the events of last night and the content I created. Also, any opinions regarding my thoughts on Sig.

Linki - Not that I would no sadly. If he's soul reading me as civilian I appreciate it, that and the above opinions are all I got.

I agree sig's reaction to your claim was bad. I'd be wiling to pressure sig. I'm not civ reading him by any means. Don't assume mafia wouldn't defend you right now. And don't assume civs that were going hard after you before wouldn't be doing so now as well.

I don't like how Black Rock and Sokoth came in here and placed a vote on you and peaced out with not much else to say after you already claimed. I would like for both of them to explain why they voted you after you claimed. It makes little sense and the better move would be to vote for someone else they suspected.

DrWilgy wrote: Medium opinion, OA and Silver are not on the same team. I believe they have been working together now for 3 cycles rather strongly. I don't think Mafia would allow for both of them to still be alive if they were on the same team.

You seem to forget that there's a missing nightkill. Don't assume they didn't already try.

Dex-My problem is that you are assuming that Wilgy is one of the good ones. Your reasons are vague and can't talk about it and asking people to trust you. This isn't good enough for me. I need to know why, outside of something you can't say, he's a good cylon. If I was a bad cylon, my tactic would be to try to convince everyone I'm good. I'd start acting like it by hunting people immediately to get the focus on others. Wilgy has been better since he claimed but he waited until the last minute to do so. We are lucky this interference in the lynch turned out the way it did and not the way it would have in the Nero/LoRab situation. I don't know the lore like the rest of you. My play is based on scumhunting like I always do. Like I said, I'm willing to go along with their being non-Cavil cylons and leaving them alone, but I don't know if Wilgy is one of those or one of the Cavil ones and if he's one of the Cavil ones, I want him gone.

DrWilgy wrote: Hm... Silver I thought your stance was a solid "I don't know how to read Wilgy" for a majority of the game?

Let me look at you.

ISO me and see me talk about IAWY and you. My thoughts should be more than clear.

Dex wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:I don't understand, considering Wilgy's behavior all game, that he's suddenly good just because he claimed cylon at the last possible minute and acted like a civ at the last possible minute to save himself.

Sorry, but I'm not that gullible. He's been acting bad all game as the person before him did. I'm not leaving him alive cuz he claimed and suddenly people are thinking he's good for no real reason.

That's some first rate BS right there.
But there IS a reason Silver. Do you trust me? Do you read me civ? It seems to me that your wolf-nose is very good at sniffing out alignment. What does it tell you about me?

I didn't like D'Faraday but you are a lot better and I'm leaning civ on you at the moment. I don't want to hear you think he's Six. I about lost it when polo pulled that card. I don't know the lore of this show as well as some others but I do know if he's bad, he can't be kept around on a whim. I'm willing to believe there are cylons who do not follow Cavil and I'm willing to believe they might not be all cylons, but I'm not going to just let someone I've been reading as bad all game go for no reason because everyone starts saying they now think he's good, or even more ridiculously, that he's Six for no reason.

I don't understand, considering Wilgy's behavior all game, that he's suddenly good just because he claimed cylon at the last possible minute and acted like a civ at the last possible minute to save himself.

Sorry, but I'm not that gullible. He's been acting bad all game as the person before him did. I'm not leaving him alive cuz he claimed and suddenly people are thinking he's good for no real reason.

That's some first rate BS right there.

The results of the lynch turned out well and we can stop with this claiming business and move on with the game.

You have no way of knowing if he's Six, what makes you think he is?

Polo wrote:Because I think he might be Caprica Six.

OMG, How in the hell did you come to this conclusion?

DrWilgy wrote: Linki - @silver You woulda just killed me anyways then -__-

You waited until the last minute to claim and put us in another situation like Neuro and LoRab, wasted a bunch of votes, and put a lynch up that isn't the consensus.

Don't worry, I'll vote you tomorrow if I'm here. That's a promise.

Right, so we run up against another problem like we did with LoRab and Neurolunar. I really hope we don't lose another civ now that every single vote on Wilgy has been wasted.

This is the exact thing we have been warning about asking people to claim. Thanks a lot Wilgy for making my vote useless today. I feel like I just wasted my time.

DrWilgy wrote:Im civillian aligned and rink. I think lc must be too. Or im maling a very bad drink judegment call here... Ike

Dun worry tmrw ill be active. Silva. Imnciv aligned. I promise. Ibwouldnt lie to you. Youbare probably beautifil url.

This is beautiful Wilgy.

The last few posts by wilgy and long con show why 48 hours is more than enough time to get a lynch.

Also, I can't believe ika still has more posts than me.

Glorfindel wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:
G-Man wrote:Am I crazy or is this yet another total non-answer? Can someone with an objective viewpoint on this show me where Glorfindel actually addressed my issues? All I read is a dismissive shuck and jive. I don't care what your play looks like in other games on this site. I don't track meta. Instead of looking for what "player X does when they are bad" I found what looks like suspicious behavior in general. As I said before, I could tolerate one or two of the things you appear guilty of (focus on mechanics, focus on lore, giving good reads only, giving lukewarm suspicions) but the amalgamation of all of those things sticks out like a sore thumb to me. And this isn't even a Keyser Soze thing for me because I'm not trying to string together everything you've done, reading it all with nefarious intent. These are simple observations. Someone other than Glorfindel please correct me if I'm wrong but his posts strike me as a steaming pile of BS.
You know my friend, it crossed my mind that your accusations (and perhaps more the manner of them) was some kind of punishment for 'treason' or some other reason but on a site that purports not to condone such behavior, that's probably not likely. You claim my response to your accusations was a 'non-answer' and dismissive. The truth is, I couldn't adequately sort through the insults, invective and blatant bias of your third-rate hatchet job to identify what your concerns were. In the post above though, you make more direct reference to a few things that I will address AGAIN because you're clearly not interested in my answers. According to you, I'm guilty of:

1) Focussing on mechanics - I fail to see how that is in any way a negative thing? The mechanics in this game appear to be totally different to any other game I've played and from what I've seen over the last 135 odd pages, I'm not alone in that boat. I've said repeatedly that I don't believe that this game is not about black and white (Human vs Cylon) and those that hold the opposite view are leading us by a fast path to defeat at the hands of our Mafia friends who must know the truth. Further, others have focused heavily on mechanics too, I don't see your accusations of them

2) A focus on lore - I didn't raise this, I've never seen the show (other than a couple of the original series episodes which didn't do much for me) but it is apparent that it has some bearing on this game. I know that Golden mentioned at the beginning that a knowledge of the lore wasn't necessary but in my view, it does help in that it serves to give us an indication of the motivations and relationships between different characters (e.g. the whole Admiral Caine thing).

3) Giving only good reads - I honestly don't know how many times I need to repeat this but in previous games (both here and elsewhere) I have (too often in my opinion) rushed to lynch players on what I thought were valid reasons only to find that I was mistaken. I don't expect you to understand this but I think I am more adept at determining that someone is Town than I am concluding that they are Mafia. This is what I've referred to in my previous posts as a process of elimination. That's NOT to conclude that I haven't had suspicions - I have and I've said so. If you're miffed that I'm not throwing around accusations indiscriminately, that's too bad. That's not my style. Never was, never will. My approach to these games IS both methodical and conservative. You say you don't care about player's styles that they reveal in previous games? Well, maybe you should.

So there you have it. I don't expect for even a fraction of a second that you will be satisfied with my explanations because you very clearly have made your mind up. I would hope however that if nothing else, other players in this game will see through your accusations for what they truly are. A number of other players have voiced their suspicions of me in ways that (whilst misguided) have been respectful. You on the other hand resort to insult and ridicule. I don't think that's smart and I don't think that's funny - it's exactly what I'd expect from a schoolyard bully.

OK, So this post. He's addressing all the concerns against him just fine IMO. I don't see anything wrong with his answers. However the part I don't like is the first paragraph where he says G-man's case is all insults, invective, and a biased hatchet job.

Glorfindel-Are the above points what you think is wrong with G-man's case on you or is there something else? Because I don't see a single insult. I guess you can say his calling your posts a pile of BS might be a little harsh but it isn't as bad as you make it out to be.

So why the dramatization of it?

G-Man wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:The G-Man/Glorf insults and whatnot aside...

Lately, G-Man has been gunning after Glorf, hasn't had much to say about other players, and doesn't seem to mind whether others are interested in lynching Glorf alongside him.

I get the feeling his pursuit is not sincere. I'll see if I can gather some evidence when I'm not on my phone.
Actually, my pursuit is sincere. Like I've said, one or two of the behaviors I accuse Glorfindel wouldn't be as concerning. All of them together, however stands out to me; too many blendy tactics too close together for one person. I feel like I've caught a faker in the act and I'm pretty excited about it. When I spotted a baddie this way in the EST heist game, I got NK'd before I could see my target lynch through. I'd like to see this one through but my hunch hasn't seemed to gain traction with enough people yet.

Glorfindel's reaction to my case has been quite highbrow, I'll give him that. His largely level-headed responses have been like kryptonite to any momentum I may have had going for my case. It doesn't help that the thread has also been prone to louder, more colorful discussions of mechanics, lore, anti-[insert player/faction/group here], and other lengthy distractions like wolf-poking and claim demand obsessing. My absence for much of Day 4 and the following night phase certainly didn't help the appearance of sincerity of my pursuit but RL necessitated my absence here.

I believe I did give two sets of read lists so far that include everyone. I have a third one just about ready but I'd like to see if my Glorfindel case catches on with anyone before possibly adding fuel to other fires with my next list, which will feature a sentence or two about why each person is in the category they are in. I'll have some revised technicolors too but I'm hoping Golden the Coward will post the authoritative list of Day 4 votes or else I'll have to comb back through the thread for the precise vote sequence. This is how I roll. The longer I'm in a game, the more data I collect and the more detailed my lists become.

I will keep Glorfindel at the top of my suspect list until he is lynched. I am willing to pursue other candidates though. I don't want to turn into "that guy" with the sandwichboard and megaphone handing out doomsday tracts on the sidewalk every day, because no one likes a crazy tunneler and I don't want my case on Glorfindel dismissed for being obnoxious and repetitive. I admit to not casing anyone else to anywhere near the same degree but that is because I feel certain that I am right.

This post looks pretty genuine to me. MM-why do you think the pursuit is not sincere?

I like G-man better in the interactions because Glorfindel's response to him is pretty defensive and accuses him of things he didn't do, like insult him. I do think he's adequately addressed the concerns around the nutella vote but I'd like to hear more from him about why he things G-man is insulting him. I really don't see that at all.

Vote: Wilgy

I honestly can't understand Sokoth's reluctance to claim. I think we've made it pretty clear, this prevents the Nero/LoRab situation from happening again and helps nullify this amnesty law in place. I've felt it has been explained thoroughly and completely many times. I'm not understanding why it's so hard. That said, I already decided I'm only gonna push the nonclaimers I think are bad and I'm not that convinced Sokoth is bad. Although my list of suspicious people is too short. Right now, Wilgy tops my list of suspects. I'm giving him a little more time to come back and answer questions like he told me he would, but if he doesn't, then I will be voting for him. I've already explained this one a few times.

Also, Dex seems better than D'Faraday but I was so suspicious of D'Faraday, I haven't dropped Dex off the list yet. He's not at the top right now though.

Long Con is just a general bad feeling overall and he's still on the list but also not at the top of it.

Other than that, Sokoth is fairly null despite having a genuine tone in his posts. Same with Glorfindel. I'd consider these two as well.

Everyone else I have a civ lean on.

DrWilgy wrote:*chomps on Silverwolf's leg*

I willsh shry shoo ansher all keshionsh ashk'd ohf me shoon.

You were here posting last night. You have 24 hours from the time you posted this to give me something to work with. You have promised to deliver content before and have not. I have zero tolerance for this kind of play in games. I vote it and lynch it.

Thanks bea-Yes, that was what I was looking for.

I believe sig is a wasted lynched because he claimed cylon this day phase and therefore won't be lynched if he gets run up and is a cylon and therefore we run into a possilble Nero/Lorab situation at deadline as the second most vote getter will be lynched.

Next phase, given he's claimed this phase, he will no longer have this amnesty and we can lynch him with no issues like this.

Silverwolf wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
bea wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:Wow, I butchered the hell out of that quote.

Oh well, I think it's clear what I mean.
What's clear (to anyone who wants to really look) is that you completely avoided engaging with any of my points or questions, and moved right to your tired old schtick of "he's misrepresenting! he's discrediting!" But don't worry, I doubt anyone will bother looking.
as much as it pains me to say this, you might be on to sonmething here.
bea-In going through your ISO, I saw this post. You also made a lot of posts agreeing with Long Con or supporting him in some ways-telling him you were listening, etc.

So my question is, do you have a civ reading on Long Con and if so, elaborate on it please?

A lot of your comments are kind of offhand comments that make it hard for me to get a read of you. So if you elaborate on one of your reads, this will help me a lot and I imagine others as well.
bea-I just posted this today not that long ago. I don't know how you do catchups and I know you are busy, but I'm not sure how you could of missed it either, especially since you are responding to others. It disturbs me that you are not addressing my concerns.

3rd time

bea-seriously?

I requoted it for you in the linki you addressed.

sigh............I've brought it up twice

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