The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:I think my account is cleared out now and Moving Pictures and Spacedaisy I just want to add my voice to say I greatly enjoyed the prison and it's challenges. The non-participants were frustrating but that was not your doing. I really had fun trying to guess who everyone was. The only one I got was Typhoony though.

Wait, we had men and women fraternizing in the same prison? What sinful business is this?

And ika and Silverwolf were in the same cell, since they died during the same cycle.

Yes, we were. We figured each other out pretty quick too.

You guys are so nice.

I was 126993

One thing I love about this site is the people care about each other. It is foreign to me because I come from a place where we are at each other's throats more often than not. It's an adjustment for me but a good one. I really, really like it!!

Soneji-I'd like to publicly thank you for your kind comments in scum chat. Before anyone complains, I only got access out of concern for ika and only temporarily. I understand why it wasn't released and I thank the hosts for their consideration of ika and your kind comments as well.

I'd like to thank 920 for your incredible determination during the 10 minute post challenge. Holy shit you went all night 2 nights in a row when the rest of us slackers were sleeping.

Great job!!

Quin wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, a few times you said stuff MP and I were looking at each other and asking, "how does he KNOW that!?" The last time I finally just asked you why you thought what you said, because I was just so shocked. You figured a lot of mechanics out on your own.

I'm a pretty awful scum reader but I guess I'm not half at this sort of thing

I'd say that Silverwolf was the MVP this game. She was right about both ika and Epi and it's a shame that nobody listened.

This just reminded me that back on Day 2, the main wagons were Epi, Fuzz and ika so we had our pick of three different mafia members. We were looking so great back then but we ruined ourselves.

Thank You Quin!!

Soneji wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:sorry i spent so much time and energy trying to get you lynched, quin and sig.

That CFD was amazing but it kinda doomed me personally in this game. It caused me to shake up so many of my reads from earlier in the game, and it turned out all of my new ideas were wrong and my old ones were much more on the right track.

Soneji had me fooled the whole time though. If it weren't for those last day shenanigans I was never going to vote for him. Very well played Soneji and the rest of you cops.

This is so very true for pretty much everyone but Silverwolf. Silverwolf has incredible instincts. However, I have never seen so many civs be so absolutely wrong and yet 100% they were right as I did in this game. People who usually have outstanding instincts as well. It was almost painful to watch at times.

Also, I have to share my own Slooneji story. Sloonei, you were originally supposed to be the Chief and soneji was supposed to be my Don, but because I flubbed and got Sloonei and soneji mixed up, I had to flip flop your roles because one of the role card messages was read as soon as I sent it. I felt like an idiot.

Thank You Daisy and soneji and also sig for what you said after I died!! Prisoner 509 and Sloonei were great at analysis and it was really me knowing ika and gut and stool pidgeon stuff that had me doing what I did.

I needed to do a better job of explaining my reads. I am an emotional/passionate player and that distracts me sometimes. I was supremely frustrated with feeling like I wasn't being listened to but I didn't have a lot to go on, just gut and the fact I don't like lurkers and the stool pidgeon stuff. It was hard to read, coming back, some of the stuff said about me by indiglo. It wasn't personal but still hard to read.

That said, no hard feeling anyone!!

Damn about the BTSC, I really wanted to see how ika operated here.

Ika defended your honor as nobly in our BTSC thread as he did in the main thread

I was both lamenting the civs waving away your reads based on meta and passion while also being thankful that they did as you had our entire team nailed. I know all too well the feeling of being so right in your reads but getting ignored, the trick is to do it so often people have to take notice

We kept you around as long as we did mainly to keep Ika happy :P

Thank You for telling me this and thanks for the kind words soneji!!

This somewhat makes up for my disappointment in not getting to see the BTSC. I really, really wanted to read it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Are the results public of the last prisoner challenge?

Good question! You all failed; it was the Warden's death that got you in here. We realized we made it ridiculously difficult though, so it worked out.

Here were the results:

Cell 1 - S~V~S and Typhoony - 21
Cell 2 - G-Man and Metalmarsh - 7
Cell 3 - bea and DharmaHelper - 3
Cell 4 - juliets and timmer - 19
Cell 5 - a2thezebra and Scotty - 5
Cell 7 - Black Rock and Quin - 15
Cell 9 - ika and Silverwolf - 21
Cell 10 - indiglo and thellama - 0

Cell 6 was vacant and Cell 8 didn't apply because Sorsha's shanking that previous day meant Boomslang was by himself.

NIce, we rocked this one, LOL.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:sorry i spent so much time and energy trying to get you lynched, quin and sig.

That CFD was amazing but it kinda doomed me personally in this game. It caused me to shake up so many of my reads from earlier in the game, and it turned out all of my new ideas were wrong and my old ones were much more on the right track.

Soneji had me fooled the whole time though. If it weren't for those last day shenanigans I was never going to vote for him. Very well played Soneji and the rest of you cops.

This is so very true for pretty much everyone but Silverwolf. Silverwolf has incredible instincts. However, I have never seen so many civs be so absolutely wrong and yet 100% they were right as I did in this game. People who usually have outstanding instincts as well. It was almost painful to watch at times.

Also, I have to share my own Slooneji story. Sloonei, you were originally supposed to be the Chief and soneji was supposed to be my Don, but because I flubbed and got Sloonei and soneji mixed up, I had to flip flop your roles because one of the role card messages was read as soon as I sent it. I felt like an idiot.

Thank You Daisy and soneji and also sig for what you said after I died!! Prisoner 509 and Sloonei were great at analysis and it was really me knowing ika and gut and stool pidgeon stuff that had me doing what I did.

I needed to do a better job of explaining my reads. I am an emotional/passionate player and that distracts me sometimes. I was supremely frustrated with feeling like I wasn't being listened to but I didn't have a lot to go on, just gut and the fact I don't like lurkers and the stool pidgeon stuff. It was hard to read, coming back, some of the stuff said about me by indiglo. It wasn't personal but still hard to read.

That said, no hard feeling anyone!!

Damn about the BTSC, I really wanted to see how ika operated here.

Thank You MP, I truly did not even know how all that worked or the amount of work involved.

Oh just a quick FYI, I can't clear out my prisoner acct because it is locked so the hosts may need to do that one themselves.

Cheers all

MovingPictures07 wrote:Furthermore, we have a special banner for prisoners who contributed significantly to the entire prison's success throughout various challenges...!!



Daisy and I went through all of the challenges and identified the prisoners we think were crucial to the entire team's success in breaking out of prison. Here is the list. If your name is on it at least once, you are free to wear this banner!

Day 2 - N/A
Day 3 - DharmaHelper, timmer
Day 4 - Long Con

Day 6 - a2thezebra, DharmaHelper, G-Man
Day 7 - a2thezebra, bea, G-Man, juliets, Typhoony
Day 8 - N/A
Day 9 - N/A
Day 10 - N/A
Day 11 - ika, Silverwolf, S~V~S, Typhoony

Congratulations to our prison thugs...

a2thezebra, bea, DharmaHelper, G-Man, ika, juliets, Long Con, Silverwolf, timmer, and Typhoony!!!!

Wear the banner with pride.

Awesome-Thanks!!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:There were prisoners that started the game in the prison. These were independents. They had their own win condition to fulfill. They had to get rezzed in order to win. One thing we did not anticipate is that until Silverwolf, ika, Indi and llama, the arrested civilians seemed completely uninterested in even trying to get back into the main thread.

To explain our strict adherence to the no outing the fact you started in the main game, it could have made it nearly impossible for the indies to fulfill their win con. All it would take is someone outing the self and then all the civs file in and vote for the obvious formerly civ player. They had to be given an equal chance, which is why we set it up like that. The goal was for the prisoners to be released and prove their worth to the civilians during that day phase, without reveals they may have previously been in the game. I know that the two who were mod killed had not intended anything by the infraction, but we had to mod kill to preserve the balance of the mechanic. I'm very sorry to have upset you both with this.

I understand but you have to understand, and I told you via PM, how extremely frustrating that was for me. I finally get back in the game and am killed for something that was very unintentional with a very vague rule. Makes it really no fun after all the work I put in both in the game and in prison.

It wasn't a vague rule; I killed Long Con right in front of you for it, but that's neither here nor there. I have no intention to argue about it, just clarifying that we both thought it was 100% clear.

Fine, but I wasn't outing my main in any way. I would of killed me for a different post though so I'm leaving it alone and letting it go. I do not want to fight over it. I did want my side of things here and now I'm done with this issue.

Spacedaisy wrote:There were prisoners that started the game in the prison. These were independents. They had their own win condition to fulfill. They had to get rezzed in order to win. One thing we did not anticipate is that until Silverwolf, ika, Indi and llama, the arrested civilians seemed completely uninterested in even trying to get back into the main thread.

To explain our strict adherence to the no outing the fact you started in the main game, it could have made it nearly impossible for the indies to fulfill their win con. All it would take is someone outing the self and then all the civs file in and vote for the obvious formerly civ player. They had to be given an equal chance, which is why we set it up like that. The goal was for the prisoners to be released and prove their worth to the civilians during that day phase, without reveals they may have previously been in the game. I know that the two who were mod killed had not intended anything by the infraction, but we had to mod kill to preserve the balance of the mechanic. I'm very sorry to have upset you both with this.

I understand but you have to understand, and I told you via PM, how extremely frustrating that was for me. I finally get back in the game and am killed for something that was very unintentional with a very vague rule. Makes it really no fun after all the work I put in both in the game and in prison.

BTW-I was the Daisy Stool Pidgeon but my role was switched to Hitman.

I did not think either ika or soneji acted in accordance with the Stool Pidgeon because I KNEW it was gleam due to my role. That's why I went hard against him and I expected that if my role was switched that the Stool Pidgeon would go to someone else who would know what I did and go after the traitor. Neither ika nor soneji fit the bill so that's why I suspected them.

ika outplayed his usual scum meta, his manipulative post showing he had a scum agenda is what got me plus the fact that he could NOT be the stool pidgeon, that's why I was so certain after jailbreak-because soneji was claiming stool pidgeon and he was not.

Also, when I posted after I was killed I did not see the post killing me, only the one saying a modkill needed to happen so I didn't know I was dead. I was not intentionally breaking rules there and I did not intentionally out my main.

Between that and the cops winning despite all dying, it's a tad frustrating to be honest.

That said, the game was very complex and I recogninze how hard the hosts worked to put it together for us so thank you both for that!!

This was interesting for my first game on this site and I hope to see you all in a future game. Also, can't wait to see the scum chat as well.

Soneji wrote:Epi and I very much hinted towards the Prisoner not mattering. The game would be heavily unbalanced if the Cops had to rely on the town to take out the Dons to win, as the Dons were immune to the actions of the cops. Neither faction of town can meet their wincon if only the Dons remained from each family, so Cops win by default if only one of them is alive against both Dons.

I had not idea if both dons survived, town couldn't win. I thought for sure if the cops were removed, they lost.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I know and if I think you guys have scum, I will be with you all the way. If I think you are wrong, I will go my own way but explain in great detail why I am doing so in hopes of getting you guys to vote scum.

I think, at least off-hand, that you've been pretty on-board with most of the names being fielded as top suspects now (particularly those with less content). I mean players like Boomslang and chaindeath.

The points of contention will likely come at sig and Quin.

Draconus remains underdiscussed so that's someone I'd be willing to talk about. I think a lot of people have left him alone because they weren't alarmed by his predecessor Mongoose, but that's a weak defense to stand on this late in the game and I'm not inspired.

If I have any tinfoil remaining, it'd be Epignosis.

Agree with all of this.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Silverwolf, what do you think of Turnip Head?

I've been thinking town but it's not a strong townread so I'm gonna re-ISO and take a look.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:And don't think I haven't noticed how I've been shut out of the civ core here. Even though every single person that has given a read, has called me town.

That is extremely frustrating to deal with and will result in a town loss which frustrates me because I hate losing.

I include you in the civ core and hope you'll vote with the group. Lone wolfing (no pun intended) is a losing strategy with the ratio so critical.

If I feel like the person you want to lynch is actually a cop, I will. If I disagree, I will have no choice but to be a Lone Wolf. I've done it before, and I can do it again. Mass mislynching is just as bad as everyone going their own way.

Stubbornness is the single most common reason for town collapses in my experience. If we're headed for an 11 vs. 5 or even a 10 vs. 5 ratio, we literally cannot afford to lone wolf.

I know and if I think you guys have scum, I will be with you all the way. If I think you are wrong, I will go my own way but explain in great detail why I am doing so in hopes of getting you guys to vote scum.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I actually considered for a moment that SW might have the role ika flipped as, but her initial reaction to the lynch would seem to reject that theory.

I have "reasons" for thinking ika is the seemer.

S~V~S wrote:Your votes are pretty terrible. And again, you are talking about *you* as if you are alone when you are bad, when you actually have a team. One person is not responsible for who kills who, it is a group decision. Just like you kept saying what ika would do when bad re the Fuzz lynch, when it would not be his decision to make alone.

How are they terrible? I was on Radical Fuzz, off DDL, and on ika who I still think is scum. They are just fine. I've given my reads and done GTH reads already. They haven't changed, and if they do, I'll say so.

You are the one arguing that you are alive because you gave me a pass. That implies that you think this decision was based on me alone so that's why I told you what I do as scum. Yes, there is a team, but for the most part, I have never had trouble getting my scumteam to go along with me, since I was a very deadly PR hunter as scum on MS.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:And don't think I haven't noticed how I've been shut out of the civ core here. Even though every single person that has given a read, has called me town.

That is extremely frustrating to deal with and will result in a town loss which frustrates me because I hate losing.

I include you in the civ core and hope you'll vote with the group. Lone wolfing (no pun intended) is a losing strategy with the ratio so critical.

If I feel like the person you want to lynch is actually a cop, I will. If I disagree, I will have no choice but to be a Lone Wolf. I've done it before, and I can do it again. Mass mislynching is just as bad as everyone going their own way.

Serge wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:And don't think I haven't noticed how I've been shut out of the civ core here. Even though every single person that has given a read, has called me town.

That is extremely frustrating to deal with and will result in a town loss which frustrates me because I hate losing.

Who/what is the civ core? People can still find you town even if they don't agree with what you're saying in the game.

Apparently Sloonei, Prisoner, Indiglo, and SVS have made a civ core. I agree they are all town so that's fine with me. However, that just gives them more of an excuse to ignore me or disregard everything I say. While Sloonei isn't doing that much, the rest are and I'm extremely irritated with it.

Serge wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Serge wrote:Hello everyone, I'm back and apparently still alive. If someone is the seemer couldn't the person that really holds the role come forward? Or is that rule-breaking?

No they can't. We can't role reveal here. But nice rolefishing.

How about you contribute something now? That would be extremely helpful if you are town.

Serge wrote:Hello everyone, I'm back and apparently still alive. If someone is the seemer couldn't the person that really holds the role come forward? Or is that rule-breaking?

No they can't. We can't role reveal here. But nice rolefishing.

And don't think I haven't noticed how I've been shut out of the civ core here. Even though every single person that has given a read, has called me town.

That is extremely frustrating to deal with and will result in a town loss which frustrates me because I hate losing.

Indiglo-You have suspicions on me as soon as SVS says something, so go ahead and lay them out. Stop beating around the bush. Let's hear it. I don't appreciate the shade throwing while you still refuse to put me in your scumreads. How about you tell me what YOU think instead of listening to SVS or anyone else?

[quote="S~V~S"
When I am bad, when me & my team are talking about who we are going to kill, pretty much anyone who has given one of us the pass is off the table. And I have Silver the pass hard & often in the days following the Fuzzwagon. I can't hlp but wonder if that has anything to do with my still being alive.[/quote]

Calling someone scum because you are still alive is WIFOM and extreme tinfoil. If you are gonna suspect me, you better have a better reason than that. Have you stopped to think about all the failed arrests this game? If we want to look at NK's, we can look at Matt's and see how hard was pushing ika.

I helped lynch Fuzz and was not on DDL so my votes are not terrible and my one on ika could very well be on scum still.

As scum, I kill off obvious town players first regardless of what they think of me. Unless a role has been outed or breadcrumbed and I find it at night.

Well, I'm not gonna keep going on and on about ika being the seemer although I'm pretty sure he is. We will find out soon enough and any further speculation is pointless.

Sloonei-I did give reasons for many of those reads throughout my ISO but I can do it again if needed.

Bottom line is many of them are laying low and trying to blend in without doing any actual scumhunting or game solving. I feel like scum is doing this, this game and that a lot of the active players are town. There could be an active scum or two but there is scum in the lurkers, I have no doubt about it. Nero and chaindeath were mostly because they game me the most pause when I did GTH reads. I realized I didn't have a good read on either of them and that made me suspicious. They need further ISO's from me. Next day, I'm most likely gonna support a Draconus or Boomslang lynch. I still think Draconus is scum.

S~V~S wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

S~V~S wrote: ika isn't the seemer. The Day 2 lynch proves it. Facts trump gut/tone reads. And I say this as a tone reader myself. There was a save on Fuzz, and it formed around ika when there were other very viable options. Was ika a baddie? Survey says, "NO WAY JOSE". No WIFOM needed.

If you think ika wouldn't put votes on a buddy and get him lynched, you don't know him very well. He absolutely would. Yes, they both could be baddie wagons.

And for whoever said he made a post about being the Stool Pidgeon-it's called fakecrumbing a fakerole. Yes, he would do this.

Anyway, I'm getting nowhere with this so I'm done with this topic.

But it isn't just ika, it's the whole bad team that would have to do it. You keep saying ika, ika, ika (isn't that a song?) but it would have to be the whole bad team, not just ika, and what would be the point or profit in that? Individuals bus each other all the time, but why would they ALL bus one to save another when they had another option?

ika
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

Epignosis
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

RadicalFuzz
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%

OK, The main wagons here were on Radical Fuzz-scum. ika-likely scum. And Epi who only had 3 votes and could also be scum.

So no, this argument holds no water.

S~V~S wrote: ika isn't the seemer. The Day 2 lynch proves it. Facts trump gut/tone reads. And I say this as a tone reader myself. There was a save on Fuzz, and it formed around ika when there were other very viable options. Was ika a baddie? Survey says, "NO WAY JOSE". No WIFOM needed.

If you think ika wouldn't put votes on a buddy and get him lynched, you don't know him very well. He absolutely would. Yes, they both could be baddie wagons.

And for whoever said he made a post about being the Stool Pidgeon-it's called fakecrumbing a fakerole. Yes, he would do this.

Anyway, I'm getting nowhere with this so I'm done with this topic.

I"m actually quite surprised the way town is playing this game. I think a lot of you are really good players so don't take this as an attack on your play but the fact none of you are willing to consider my POV if it happens to differ from your own and are gonna shit on me over and over is gonna be the downfall of town this game.

And Epi deserves the fuck off. He's being a complete ass to me. If he's town, then that's pretty disgusting. If he's scum, well played and no problem.

You know, I have a different perspective from the rest of you because I come from a different site, but that means you guys, as long as you are town reading me, should listen to an outside view. Someone who has seen ika play. Someone who has seen things outside this site. Open your minds.

I have reason to think ika is the seemer.

My reads haven't changed. They are what I told Epi.

I am not going to bang my head against the wall as long as this is what is gonna happen.

When the game ends and ika is shown to be the seemer I want those of you laughing at me and being snide to me to apologize.

Is Epi actually interested in my opinion or just trying to rile me up?

Here ya go Epi:

You want the reasons for my reads? The person who wouldn't even do GTH reads?

OK, Give me your reads and your reasons and I'll happily elaborate on mine more.

I don't want anymore snide comments about me or ika. I don't want any more evasive answers.

I want simple reads with reasons. I've done this throughout the game but I don't believe you've done it all.

So you want more from me, then give yours and I'll happily give mine in great detail with bulletpoints, special font and colors even.

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Epi, You fucking asked me for my God damn reads so fuck off again!!

I also asked "Why?"

See?

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Like, everyone just wants to say I was wrong and I should accept that and not consider I might have reasons for thinking ika was the seemer. Like, not only dismissing it outright but making snide remarks to me about being wrong and yet ANOTHER assumption I don't know ika.

Town is gonna lose this game. It makes me sad.

ika is dead now. Who is bad? And why?

No he's not. He's arrested. I still think there's a chance he's the seemer.

Scum is in the group of Soneji, Draconus, Serge, you, Boomslang, Chaindeath, Nerolunar. Black

Everyone else is town. White

Silverwolf wrote:

indiglo wrote:Ok, but how does it make sense that the scum team would bus their Seemer when most of the obvious civs are NOT on board with said lynch? It is illogical. The Seemer's strength (as I see it) is that when all the civs get real suspish of him, and decide to lynch him, he throws a wrench in their thinking by Seeming civ. That was not the case here.

The Inglorious Civsters (pardon me for using that, even though it hasn't been voted on or notorized) were not on board with the ika vote. It makes zero sense to me that ika was the Seemer. ZERO.

Discounting this possibility outright is foolish. And just because ika didn't play how you'd expect the seemer to play, doesn't mean he isn't. Like I've said over and over, making everything black and white is how town loses.

When you do not answer why, it makes it seem as though what you are saying is black or white. If you want to answer why, I'm still receptive, though you are more interested in telling me to fuck off.

Also, I don't agree with you about your boyfriend. Get over it.

Too bad. I don't cater to scum. I hope town wises up soon.

Epi, You fucking asked me for my God damn reads so fuck off again!!

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Like, everyone just wants to say I was wrong and I should accept that and not consider I might have reasons for thinking ika was the seemer. Like, not only dismissing it outright but making snide remarks to me about being wrong and yet ANOTHER assumption I don't know ika.

Town is gonna lose this game. It makes me sad.

ika is dead now. Who is bad? And why?

No he's not. He's arrested. I still think there's a chance he's the seemer.

Scum is in the group of Soneji, Draconus, Serge, you, Boomslang, Chaindeath, Nerolunar.

Everyone else is town.

Quin wrote:I needed a distraction from writing this report. Thanks guys.

It was only a matter of time before someone brought up ika being the seemer. I wish I could agree, but I think you're wrong. He hinted him being the stool pigeon a while ago, so unless hes really playing us, I think he was civ.

Id find the post, but I'm on my phone.
#soznotsoz

OMG, ika would totally do this!!

Like, everyone just wants to say I was wrong and I should accept that and not consider I might have reasons for thinking ika was the seemer. Like, not only dismissing it outright but making snide remarks to me about being wrong and yet ANOTHER assumption I don't know ika.

Town is gonna lose this game. It makes me sad.

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

indiglo wrote:Ok, but how does it make sense that the scum team would bus their Seemer when most of the obvious civs are NOT on board with said lynch? It is illogical. The Seemer's strength (as I see it) is that when all the civs get real suspish of him, and decide to lynch him, he throws a wrench in their thinking by Seeming civ. That was not the case here.

The Inglorious Civsters (pardon me for using that, even though it hasn't been voted on or notorized) were not on board with the ika vote. It makes zero sense to me that ika was the Seemer. ZERO.

Discounting this possibility outright is foolish. And just because ika didn't play how you'd expect the seemer to play, doesn't mean he isn't. Like I've said over and over, making everything black and white is how town loses.

Your opinion of ika- was it black and white?

I rest my case.

Fuck off

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I think indiglo's point about who voted where is sound. I don't think ika was the seemer.

Well, I think it's possible but whatever.........................

I agree that it's possible. I just don't think it's the most likely scenario. I'm inclined to judge the lynch as a mislynch.

I am not.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I think indiglo's point about who voted where is sound. I don't think ika was the seemer.

Well, I think it's possible but whatever.........................

indiglo wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

indiglo wrote:Ok, but how does it make sense that the scum team would bus their Seemer when most of the obvious civs are NOT on board with said lynch? It is illogical. The Seemer's strength (as I see it) is that when all the civs get real suspish of him, and decide to lynch him, he throws a wrench in their thinking by Seeming civ. That was not the case here.

The Inglorious Civsters (pardon me for using that, even though it hasn't been voted on or notorized) were not on board with the ika vote. It makes zero sense to me that ika was the Seemer. ZERO.

Discounting this possibility outright is foolish. And just because ika didn't play how you'd expect the seemer to play, doesn't mean he isn't. Like I've said over and over, making everything black and white is how town loses.

Or, Occam's Razor... you were wrong. Doesn't make you scum, lord knows that. I've been wrong plenty. But coming up with outlandish stories to try to fit the facts as you want them to be seems far fetched. I will try to say no more on the subject, as I don't wish to upset. I just want my thoughts out there as clear as can be.




And now, let us make way in the thread, for wit is coming our way. JOY!

WTF? You think that's an outlandish theory?

JFC, Whatever. Town can just lose then.

indiglo wrote:Ok, but how does it make sense that the scum team would bus their Seemer when most of the obvious civs are NOT on board with said lynch? It is illogical. The Seemer's strength (as I see it) is that when all the civs get real suspish of him, and decide to lynch him, he throws a wrench in their thinking by Seeming civ. That was not the case here.

The Inglorious Civsters (pardon me for using that, even though it hasn't been voted on or notorized) were not on board with the ika vote. It makes zero sense to me that ika was the Seemer. ZERO.

Discounting this possibility outright is foolish. And just because ika didn't play how you'd expect the seemer to play, doesn't mean he isn't. Like I've said over and over, making everything black and white is how town loses.

Silverwolf wrote:

sig wrote:
MAYBE Ika was the seemer in fact I'm kind off certain he might be the seemer.

This is the one thing that concerned me I was talking about.

Seemer is undercover cop right?

sig wrote:
MAYBE Ika was the seemer in fact I'm kind off certain he might be the seemer.

This is the one thing that concerned me I was talking about.

Nah, probs just being paranoid.

I'm sorry ika.....................

Epignosis wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Sigh................

I have one little thing that concerns me about this...................

Just one?

Yes

Sigh................

I have one little thing that concerns me about this...................

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

Black Rock wrote:He's in love. You sacrifice yourself for love, right?
I mean I wouldn't, I would hang LC before I'd "let" him win.

Yes i would 100% sac myself reagless of alignment for silver.

and yes i very much do love her. If we didnt have the long distance sperating us right now we would probally already be married. back when i was depressed cronicly to a point where i was sucidal she was the only one that stayed with me and supported me and stopped me form doing it. that is only one of the many reasons why she is so amazing and special to me

*cries*

I love you silverwolf you are the most amazing thing that i have ever known!

*hugs*

Don't you mean person and not thing?