The Syndicate

Tom Haverford wrote:Andy made sure the day ended before Bobby/Epi had a chance to look at teammate interactions. I don't think that was an accident. He also voted JR instead of Bobby, despite having said he thought Bobby was bad before then. A very strange reversal.

If Andy was civ and Donna was bad, I don't think Donna would have started the run on JR either. She could have waited until Andy was willing to talk a bit more and see which way he was leaning.

Heavily leaning towards Andy being the last baddie.

But, I'm willing to hear this out first.

Tom Haverford wrote:Well, I suggest the first thing we do is not jump to any conclusions.

We should analyse possible teams - there are 10. Each civilian knows that four are wrong (the four that include them) so they should take a good look at the other six and post their feelings, in my opinion.

Andy/Bobby
Andy/JR
Andy/Donna
Andy/Tom
Bobby/JR
Bobby/Donna
Bobby/Tom
JR/Donna
JR/Tom
Donna/Tom

Don't forget, if even a single civilian votes wrong, we lose, as the baddies will pile on. And votes aren't changeable. We gotta be cautious.

Tom Haverford wrote:Voting Andy. That's what my gut is telling me to do.

No slight on Ben's case on Jerry, though, which I believe it both genuine and very good.

Tom Haverford wrote:

Andy Dwyer wrote:Reminder:

Donna voted Leslie yesterday after civ reading her all game. This saved Jerry. Today she only voted him after it didn't matter who she voted for.

And apparently you went after Leslie all game and then pulled out when it was probably too late. A rather good way to frame someone else if Jerry is your teammate, no?

Tom Haverford wrote:

Andy Dwyer wrote:Surely you must understand how frustrating it is to me that you barge in here saying that I am bad, you're uninterested in past events, and suddenly you think me showing you evidence that Donna is likely Jerry's teammate(the fact that she saved his ass when it counted) is evidence that I am bad. This is all ass backwards.

Absolutely. Especially if you felt you were on track to a baddie victory.

Well, not especially. You'd be frustrated no matter what. Why should that make me see you as civilian?

Tom Haverford wrote:

Andy Dwyer wrote:How am I taking advantage of Ben? If anything, Ben is buddying me-- I just don't see Ben as bad. And haven't pretty much ever.

I disagree. Ben seems very townie to me. You... seem flighty and full of agenda. Actually, textbook me as baddie. You smell wrong.

It's just an impression for now. We'll see what happens with Jerry first, then I'll re-evaluate.

Andy Dwyer wrote:1) Ron Swanson 84
2) Andy Dwyer 79
3) April Ludgate 64
4) Leslie Knope 63
5) Ben Wyatt 53
6) Ann Perkins 43
7) Chris Traeger 26
8) Jerry Gergich 24


Of the top 8 posters, 5 are dead.
Night killed
Lynched civ
Lynched bad


Ben your analysis rings true to me.

Ben Wyatt wrote:QUESTION TIME!

Andy, who do you believe to be Jerry's teammate, and what's your impression of Jean-Ralphio and Bobby?
/quote]
Donna.

Bobby-- goofy, maybe bad, but only if donna isn't.
Jean Ralphio-- same.

Donna Meagle wrote:I am here. Not avoiding answering Ben or Andy's questions, I just haven't been able to get here to speak. Joe's charity work as well as my real estate business has kept me quite busy the past two weeks.

I did then, and do now believe that one of the two of Leslie and Jerry were bad. At the time I voted, Jerry felt the most sincere to me. I was gravely incorrect in that read. I wish I had been able to come back at the end of the last lynch to read how Leslie was posting as opposed to how Jerry was posting, that was not in the cards for me that day. The lynches end at the absolute worst time of day for me.

I was wrong about Leslie. I'm having a very difficult time seeing anyone who would get my vote more than Jerry. I feel into the easy thinking that sweet, goofy Jerry couldn't possibly be anything more than how he appears on the surface. That is a mistake I don't plan to make a second time.

Bobby Newport wrote:To begin, I don't trust Ben, Donna, or Andy in that order. At least one of them is bad.

Also sorry Leslie but YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jerry Gergich wrote:If there's one thing I'm good at, it's winning coin tosses.

Can we please lynch Ben now? He is a baddie.

Donna Meagle wrote:

Ann Perkins wrote:I find it interesting that 2 of the people I am suspecting, Donna & Craig, voted to tie up to the vote on Leslie. But... Mafia wouldn't all vote to save Leslie, right? Has Donna/Craig/Leslie even communicated with eachother in this game?? I mean, if Mafia has a day chat, they might forget to talk in THIS day chat.
In any case, I'm going to start the day with a vote on Leslie. I wouldn't mind a Chris lynch today either.

Sorry I wasn't able to check in at the end of the day, was out with the fam. There was no "unvote" option yesterday, so I couldn't unvote Ron; Ron definitely has stepped it up yesterday, in my eyes, in towniness. I know other players always thought he was town, but I'm just not used to players roleplaying x.x throws me off. Ron questioning me, and accepting some answers but not others to things I have said/done really helped me getting over my tunnelvision on the guy. Sorry Ron
ps. you DID claim Citizen twice :P



Chris, can you give us a read on Leslie & Donna?
Donna, can you give a read on Chris & Leslie?
Leslie...? Same thing.

I voted for Jamm because Ron had made a comment about "faxing the quiet ones to get them to play." Of the people who were quiet, Jamm was the most suspicious to me. I honestly had no idea what happened after I voted till I read back post lynch.

I think Leslie came off the last lynch looking town. She's always been second tier town, behind April and Ron in my list and that hasn't changed.

I had Chris placed middle of the road day 2, but day 3 is looking a little different. His posts read frantic and scattered. Like he knows he's caught. I think that's a good vote today.

I agree with Ron that Bobby Newport has the air of finding a "new life" so to speak. Tom is still far too quiet this late in the game. I know I'm a bit in the "pot/kettle" club, but I do try to put some quality into the posts even if I can't have the quantity.

J-R is so immersed into his role play that all I can think when I read his posts is "thinking requires having a brain. I doubt one exists here."

Jerry's quiet vote on Chris as well as not addressing how he was almost lynched is disturbing.

For me, today it's between Jerry and Chris. I'm leaning more toward Chris though, I think his posts feel more, as April would say, gross than Jerry's.

Donna Meagle wrote:

Bobby Newport wrote:

Leslie Knope wrote:RIP Ann, you sweet, beautiful, naive, exotic princess.

I still think that Chris was trying to save Jerry and that they were both trying to distance themselves from each other. We got one, so I'm voting for the other this time around. Hopefully we knock out two of these bastards in a row.

I won't have access to a computer for most of tomorrow, but I should be on one all day Friday to keep up on new developments. For now, I'm parking my vote in Jerry's spot.

I like when things are called. I like when elections are called.* I like when I called Chris bad. I like that I called you his partner.

*In my favor of course.

Leslie brings up a reasonable point that the Chris and Jerry votes could be seen as distancing. Why do you think that is not the case and that Leslie and Chris are partners?

Andy Dwyer wrote:lynch jerry
then leslie

You've been asking us to lynch Leslie forever. Why do you now want us to lynch Jerry first?

Andy Dwyer wrote:jerry why do you distrust ben

Or is this getting more to the reason you want Jerry first now? I get that Andy, I really do. I have town read on Ben as well.

Andy - if you had one lynch to lead, who would it be against and why? I feel like you have insight to give that most people blow off because "Andy is scatterbrained." and for as much as Ron has tried to corral your attention and widen your scope, it's somehow fallen a bit short. For April. For Pawnee. Help us out kid. I know you got it in you.

Jerry Gergich wrote:I distrust Ben because he's from out of town, his ways are different from ours, and he comes across as fake and trying too hard (not something I'm likely to be accused of!) He is also freinds with Chris, who was bad.

Lynching me is the lazy option. It's what the mafia would want you to do, and it will give you nothing but a Vanilla Civilian.

Jerry Gergich wrote:The accusation that I was distancing from Chris is absurd. I was one of the first to call out Chris for his phoneyness. Phoneyness I see echoed in Ben.

Jerry Gergich wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:If Jerry doesn't actually address his accusers or actually describe his case against me, I'm just going to assume he's a baddie who has given up.

Until he decides to give playing the game a shot, he's where my vote's going to be.

I always distrust posts like this. "If you don't do X, I'll have no choice but to vote you. Then if I don't satisfy him and you guys lynch a civvie, he can say "well, it was his fault, not mine. He should have done what I said." It's a trap designed to duck accountability.

Chris Traeger wrote:Well, it seems inevitable that all you lovely people are going to make the mistake of lynching me. I'll vote for Jerry Gergich. Oh! And I see that My good friend Ben Wyatt has voted there as well! Good choice old pal! Once I flip civ I recommend you all give some serious scrutiny to the people who keep repeating the lie that I was not doiung anything but roleplaying. I'm certain you'll find your baddies among them. I suppose this means I won't like to be 150 years old after all, that makes me sad. Maybe one last call to Dr. Richard Nygard so that I can go out smiling! Good luck civilians!

Ron Swanson wrote:

Andy Dwyer wrote:is there somethin gyou'd like to hera about from me in partifuarl?

Suspects. And real-time analysis of multiple posts, players.

You say you have Gerry as your third on your list now, but didn't you inquire yesterday what was so bad about him that deserved a lynch?

Ben Wyatt wrote:Hmm. I have to say, the results of Day 2 casts the most shade on Chris. His well-timed vote saved Jerry and almost doomed Leslie.

I agree, Leslie changing her stances like, well, a politician isn't great, but I'd see a Chris + Jerry team as more likely, and Leslie doesn't fit in at all with that duo.

Andy has a very specific worldview where Leslie is the only member of the mafia, and may as well be wearing a giant neon sweater with "MAFIA" written in the Sopranos font. Anything that conflicts with that worldview he either ignores or forcefully misinterprets. See: Andy correcting me about my thought process for suspecting Jerry. He thought it was because I hated RP for whatever reason. I said no, and pointed out the real reasons, and then he ignored me again.

I'm not really sure what alignment he's aligned with; a purposefully futile mad witch hunt against a single target is a nice way to avoid bloody hands and suspicion. Then again, his posts could easily read confused civ. The fact that I myself am still nowhere near 100% convinced of Leslie's innocence only complicates things.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Andy Dwyer wrote: those weren't the words you talked
you said it was more likely.
it should be cARETAN
flippity floppy leslies!

I guess there's a reason you failed the tests to be a cop.

[quote="Andy Dwyer""]
....
nice flip flop !
DO YA GOT AN Y SANDALS!?

seriosuly though! Leslie J U S T named me and Jerry as her #1 suspects. Ron makes one post, Leslie on the surface agrees and now she's voting for CHRIS!T

Andy Dwyer wrote:is ur bike broken
bc u seem to be back pedalling awfully HARD!

Ron Swanson wrote:Goodbye, April. You will be avenged. I will personally see to it.

I believe the mafia team in this game is a team doing the right moves. Scanned for the cop and found him, and now removed an all-but-confirmed civilian. This requires at least one functioning brain in the BTSC. If you still want to dispute that the mafia containts performant players, offer an adequate profile and point at someone.

As for me, this brings me to Chris, for instance.

To say that you suspect Jerry, but vote Jamm, while Jerry was a serious contender, is a mighty suspicious move. The only way you could even consider absolving such a move would be if Chris would have had no f***ing clue what the tally situation is.

But Chris did not say that.

Chris Traeger wrote:When last I looked at the votes, Jerry was leading by a decent margin

So either Jerry was still in the lead, by one vote, and Chris, instead of voting Jerry who he still suspected, voted Jamm.
Either Jerry was tied with Leslie and Chris, instead of voting Jerry who he still suspected (over Leslie, for which he had stated nothing relevant whatsoever during the game), voted Jamm.

This either looks like a vote meant not to doom Jerry for good, or to offer Leslie a lifeline, given that she was stuck, while in a tie herself, on Jerry.

Chris is the common denominator in this, anyway.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Andy Dwyer wrote:explain this post as anything but a bad post
you can't

more LIKELY?
wouldn't it be CERTAAAIN if you were good!?

I was rushing to ensure that I got my post in before the coin toss I believed was going to lead to my death. I'm certain that I'm good, but I was uncertain about Jamm. The most logical decision in the moment was to change my vote to Jamm because I know I'm good.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:As for me, this brings me to Chris, for instance.

To say that you suspect Jerry, but vote Jamm, while Jerry was a serious contender, is a mighty suspicious move. The only way you could even consider absolving such a move would be if Chris would have had no f***ing clue what the tally situation is.

But Chris did not say that.

Chris Traeger wrote:When last I looked at the votes, Jerry was leading by a decent margin

So either Jerry was still in the lead, by one vote, and Chris, instead of voting Jerry who he still suspected, voted Jamm.
Either Jerry was tied with Leslie and Chris, instead of voting Jerry who he still suspected (over Leslie, for which he had stated nothing relevant whatsoever during the game), voted Jamm.

This either looks like a vote meant not to doom Jerry for good, or to offer Leslie a lifeline, given that she was stuck, while in a tie herself, on Jerry.

Chris is the common denominator in this, anyway.

A very good point, and a much stronger lead than Jerry at this time. I will also be placing my vote for Chris at this time. If a new lead shows up, I will be around to revise it.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:You're a pain in the ass, Knope. Your Day 1 narration was "April and Ron are colluding". Then your Day 2 narration was to still try to scramble around that. Now it's "Ron buddied to April". ***s sake.

I believe I changed my mind on that on day 2 and admitted that my logic was flawed. As far as the "Ron buddied up to April" bit, I was stating a possibility. I don't want to eliminate any possibility.

Ron Swanson wrote:P.S.: Andrew! I need you to see more things than the word "Leslie" in your posts. You are using chronic roleplay and tunneling to speak of no one else in this game and that is not good.

Leslie Knope wrote:It's more likely Jeremy's bad than me. You guys forced my hand.