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Charles Mingus wrote:

Chris Potter wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:

Chris Potter wrote:There must be a very good reason why Vompatti placed a vote on you, Mingus. He chose not to lynch anyone on day 1. Did he check you? That's what I ask myself. Perhaps you're the baddie after all.

Ornette Coleman wrote:Mingus is a confirmed civ.

Shit, I didn't pay attention. Sorry for that. Still weird that he put a vote on you, though, but hey it's Vompatti...

That "hey it's Vompatti" comment sure clashes with your previous "There must be a very good reason" comment.

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:I don't oppose a Dixon lynch but Potter is actually looking worse to me right now, and since his lynch seems more likely than Fleck's then I'm moving to Potter.

You knw you could elborate on that

Charles Mingus wrote:I don't oppose a Dixon lynch but Potter is actually looking worse to me right now, and since his lynch seems more likely than Fleck's then I'm moving to Potter.

Charles Mingus wrote:We've clogged up enough of the thread with this garbage, I don't see any progress being made here.

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote: the orignal convo was about the sockguess vs sock assume you changed it entirely, if they ar enot the same plz tell me.

They're not the same. That's what I did tell you. How the hell did I change the subject lmao?

you never explaiend how thye were diffrent, you jsut said "no not same"

I didn't know I actually needed to explain to you how guessing and assuming are not the same thing, holy shit. A guess is not set in stone, other options can be considered. An assumption on the other hand does not consider other options. A guess would be "You might be Epi but I don't have any proof" while an assumption is "You're Epi but I don't have any proof".

Charles Mingus wrote: You can't prove that you would always kill Silver on Night 1 every single game you play with her, you can't even prove that to yourself. That's not something that one can "realize" because it's subject to change.

can and would, if i have my was of doign night kills i would always kill her n1. shes is the most fearsome player i know

You don't even need to go "ok change meta" to consciously emulate your town play. Literally every scum player with more than a couple of games worth of experience does that without even thinking or going out of their way to attempt to do so. Meta defenses mean nothing.

been playing for 4 years and have not been able to change my meta much. my meta has been constant for about the past 2 years and i have failed to change it every time

I don't scum read you for having meta defenses by themselves, I'm scum reading you because you've been consistently disingenuous, opportunistic, and manipulative throughout the game. The meta defenses just don't help change my mind is all.


so.... just about everything that dfines town me?

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote: the orignal convo was about the sockguess vs sock assume you changed it entirely, if they ar enot the same plz tell me.

They're not the same. That's what I did tell you. How the hell did I change the subject lmao?

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:
Thats not the point at all and your missing my poitn entirely, it doest matter if you follow it or not, its a matter of whats laid out.

Either I don't understand or you're avoiding a legitimate response. Either way, please elaborate.

my point is this: he is cop with the supposive clears he had, even if you dont take it as godspell, you have at least considered it. even your psoting now shows you ahev at least had a thoguht of it.

SO no matter what ange you take at this, its hipoctical of you to yell at us abotu this stuff when you are guilty of doing it yourself

Charles Mingus wrote: And do you realize that your being consciously aware of what your town meta is means that you can emulate it when you're not town, and that no one in their right mind is going to take your word for it when you use meta defenses as the only reason why you've been consistently scummy throughout the game?

Miles Davis wrote:This is some crazy jazz.

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]

You're not sockguessing, you're sockassuming.

same thing overall

Right like how "confirmed civ" is the same thing overall as "Bela Fleck thinks they are civ". Is Newspeak your native language?

im sorry are apples now oranges?

you gonna adress the orional point or not? way to change subjects

What original point? How did I change subjects? What was the original subject and which subject did I change it to? Why is your tongue brown?

Charles Mingus wrote:
Thats not the point at all and your missing my poitn entirely, it doest matter if you follow it or not, its a matter of whats laid out.

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:You know what's funny?

What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.

i know i was, i did it intetionaly, like i said, POE wins out every time

What does either lying about reading me as bad or lying about thinking Coleman was the cop have to do with process of elimination?

i already explined the cop scnario thing, the lyign is wifom galore

And you do realize that, especially in this case, that WIFOM is working against a civ read of you and not in favor of it, right?

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]

You're not sockguessing, you're sockassuming.

same thing overall

Right like how "confirmed civ" is the same thing overall as "Bela Fleck thinks they are civ". Is Newspeak your native language?

Charles Mingus wrote: You wonder why I haven't been responding to you that much and this is why. Yet again,, even after I've outright stated it, you miss my point completely. My point against Coltrane (as well as Potter) is that they wanted to take Coleman's words as gospel while both simultaneously suspecting me. Since I, unlike them, refuse to take Coleman's words as gospel, then it's not hypocritical for me to still suspect Coltrane. Another thing that helps my argument for not taking Coleman's words as gospel is because Potter was using Coleman's temporary vote for me to justify a suspicion, while conveniently ignoring when he said that I was confirmed civ. Since he's not wrong about the temporary vote and not wrong to wonder why that temporary vote was cast, it calls Coleman's actions into question.

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:You know what's funny?

What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.

i know i was, i did it intetionaly, like i said, POE wins out every time

What does either lying about reading me as bad or lying about thinking Coleman was the cop have to do with process of elimination?

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]

You're not sockguessing, you're sockassuming.

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.

Hye look mingus did the same thing!

isnt it funny how the pot and kettle ar eblack

What do you mean the same thing? Elaborate.

Ornette Coleman wrote:John Coltrane is a confirmed civ.

Ricochet wrote:Sockguessing is up to you, if you think it serves the game.[/u][/b]

Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.

Charles Mingus wrote:You know what's funny?

What's funny is that you claim to have thought that Coleman was the cop before the flip, partly because he said at one point that I was confirmed civ, yet at the time he said that, you were still advocating that I was a baddie.

Ricochet wrote: Ornette Coleman - [ Posts ] - LYNCHED Day 3: 'Jazz', Civilian cop

Charles Mingus wrote:Although I'm still inclined to lean towards the last baddie being you Mr. Fleck. I don't think that much misrepresentation and disingenuous behavior could be accidental. Either you're doing it deliberately to manipulate the direction the game is going or you're doing it deliberately to frustrate people and demand attention. I hope it's the former.

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.

Coltain is cop cleared.

Its himori or Dixon

Then it's Dixon. Hiromi is confirmed civ.

Charles Mingus wrote:I will oppose any lynch that isn't Coltrane, Dixon, or Fleck.

Charles Mingus wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Charles Mingus wrote:I think it's more likely that whoever killed Vince was doing so in an attempt to make Hiromi an easy mislynch for today. I'm putting my money on John Coltrane being the last baddie since I don't think the development of his opinions over the course of the game feels natural, both the ones I agree and disagree with. But it could also be Fleck still.

Or himori is just scum removing suspects? I mean occam razor is simpler to use

RIght, because HIromi being scum is the option with the fewest assumptions.

Charles Mingus wrote:I think it's more likely that whoever killed Vince was doing so in an attempt to make Hiromi an easy mislynch for today. I'm putting my money on John Coltrane being the last baddie since I don't think the development of his opinions over the course of the game feels natural, both the ones I agree and disagree with. But it could also be Fleck still.

a2thezebra wrote:

Chris Potter wrote:I guess Vince was killed because he suggested lynching Hiromi.

Chris Potter

Chris Potter wrote:I guess Vince was killed because he suggested lynching Hiromi.

S~V~S wrote:You would need a bigger player base than we have here. UNLESS you did a smaller game, maybe 13-15 roles, and all of them were Hydrae (Hydras?)

That might be an interesting variation on sock games.

Sorry for 2 intrusions in one day, carry on Jazz folk.

Hiromi Uehara wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Hydras are great because you can have two people or sometimes even three people collaborate together on a game. Chosen mafia was a game ika and I hydra'd in on MS. We caught one of the scum D1. Then, called out the other one that was lynched after we died. We also have our scum game where we were werewolves. We did bus our buddy but he was worthless and town wouldn't lynch him due to that. It was hilarious. We were widely townread that game.

So what I mean is, hydra's are more powerful because you have multiple perspectives.

That sounds like a neat idea, and one I've never heard of before.

Do other sites generally allow the players to each have their own account, even if they come together to play under a hydra from time-to-time? That's something we've never encountered here.

Ricochet wrote:

Bela Fleck wrote:

Miles Davis wrote:
There's no meta players in this game because it's a sockpuppet game. I see plenty of analysis of players based on their previous games in non-sockpuppet games here. I love meta-analysis, I love to hear meta-analysis of my own play because it's like an instruction book other players write entitled "How To Trick Me Next Time".

well if you like meta games, i will be willing to do it if you play against me. jsut shoot me a pm

A bit lost in the slang here ('if you play against me'?), but I hope that last part will take place after this game concludes.

Chris Potter wrote: Do you really think condensing three phrases into one post makes it a wall of text? Lawd almighty...

Miles Davis wrote:

There's no meta players in this game because it's a sockpuppet game. I see plenty of analysis of players based on their previous games in non-sockpuppet games here. I love meta-analysis, I love to hear meta-analysis of my own play because it's like an instruction book other players write entitled "How To Trick Me Next Time".

Well, I did tell you right away actually. Remember the post where I said we don't know if the Godfather tricked the cop, or protected his team, or had extra votes, etc?

Miles Davis wrote:One thing that would really help is if you stop using acronyms for every other word here, Fleck. And that goes for when you're ika here as well. 90% or more of the players here will not know any of the acronyms and references (like "hydra", no I do not know what that means) that I assume mafiascum players take for granted.

Many of the players here have probably never even played a closed setup game with a godfather, a cop, a doctor, and no other power roles.

Here on The Syndicate, almost all of our games are non-standard, with creative roles and experimental factors.

The assumptions you made about this game are not assumptions anyone else is likely to make, because this style of game is pretty outside the norm in its standard-ness.

Chris Potter wrote:I'd also ask Fleck to try and not post thrice in a row. It's quite detrimental to those trying to actually read the whole thread and those who isolate your posts.