The Syndicate

Ben Wyatt wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:If Jerry isn't bad, and I will honestly be shocked if he is, I'd pursue Donna primarily during Day 6. But, if she makes some logical and persuasive cases against another player, or a fellow citizen does something especially shady, I'd definitely be up for lynching them instead.

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Ben Wyatt wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:If Jerry is bad, and I will honestly be shocked if he ISN'T, I'd pursue Donna primarily. But, if she makes some logical and persuasive cases against another player, or a fellow citizen does something especially shady, I'd definitely be up for lynching them instead.

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Ben Wyatt wrote:If Jerry is bad, and I will honestly be shocked if he was NOT, I'd pursue Donna primarily. But, if she makes some logical and persuasive cases against another player, or a fellow citizen does something especially shady, I'd definitely be up for lynching them instead.

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Ironically, how Tom is now acting towards Andy is pretty much the same way Andy acted towards Leslie. Tunnel vision and a stout refusal to interpret things in ways that don't lead up to baddie.

I view both Tom and Andy at this point as confused civs.

Jean-Ralphio also gets some brownie points from me, as he's had a steady point of view this entire game, and there's no real vote where I thought: "Why the hell did JR vote for that person?"

I can't say that for Donna and Bobby.

If Jerry is bad, and I will honestly be shocked if he was, I'd pursue Donna primarily. But, if she makes some logical and persuasive cases against another player, or a fellow citizen does something especially shady, I'd definitely be up for lynching them instead.

I'm less 100% sold on Donna's scumminess than I am with Jerry's, but she's still my top suspect going into Day 6, provided that I'm, y'know, alive.

Bobby Newport wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:

Bobby Newport wrote:My trust of Jerry stems from something April said about him.

April Ludgate wrote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:I agree with most of what April has said. She seems like a sweet kid. I will try to do a better job of posting more. I just get so forgetful. Chris would probably be my next suspect after Ben, as he shares the trying too hard vibe and helped kill the cop.

This also looks kind of like a civ slip, when he said Ben helped kill the cop (implying Ben's lynch vote was in part the cause of Craig dying, meaning Jerry forgot who the cop was).

Of course this kind of derp can be faked, but that's not the vibe I get here.

I'd ask you to read my case against him and weigh it against one moment of botched semantics.

Along with hiring the right DJ for the election party and getting my campaign advisor to reconsider finding a different job, it's on my list.

(me waiting for Bobby to read my ISO)

Tom, you haven't really said anything specific about why you don't trust Andy. If there's something more to that other than gut, I'd like to hear it, because my gut is only reading civilian for him.

Tom Haverford wrote:I trust Ben, so far. Ben looks best to me. Bobby looks good too. You guys may be at odds, but you both talk like civs. I think you should work together. Jean-Ralphio would be my third pick for a civ, I really like the specticism he is bringing to the Ben/Andy dynamic.

I don't trust Andy. Ben, why do you trust Andy? Bobby, do you trust Andy?

I do not think you have this game solved. I would not have been asked to sub in if you already know who the last two baddies are and you are about to lynch them.

I would say the baddies are two of Jerry, Andy, Donna. But not both of Jerry and Donna. That means Andy. And since Andy is pushing Jerry, Donna. I think Andy and Donna might be the baddies.

I don't understand why Jerry. Is there any reason I'm not aware of to rule some of these people out?

So far, based on what I've seen, I think Andy or Donna would be the right vote.

Of course, I could be really fucking this up and it is Jerry. But, I've been asked to sub in for a reason. Time to challenge you guys. Why isn't it Andy?

Why don't you trust Andy, Tom? You seem to have it out for him a little bit.

I trust Andy because we seem to have pretty similar reads on people, and I saw his case against Leslie, and subsequent case against Jerry as genuine.

I just feel like Andy has been on the level with me, while everyone else has been either inactive, or too swallowed up by RP.

I mean, I get it. You're RPing an annoying character. You don't need to play annoyingly too.

And by the way, here's why Jerry. Apparently, the massive wall post I dedicated to listing every single reason why I think Jerry is bad is "too long" and "too complicated" for people. It's Cones of Dunshire all over again.

Here's the TL;DR version.

Ben Wyatt wrote:TL;DR VERSION:

Chris, the only confirmed mafia saved Jerry's ass Day 2. Donna saved Jerry's ass Day 4.

Jerry very rarely actually discusses any of his suspicions in actual detail. Or really anything at all.

He's been tunneling me since Day 1, and none of his arguments hold any water.

Jerry is not an easy lynch. The fact that he's narrowly managed to avoid death twice now proves it.

Why do you think Jerry and Donna are incompatible as baddies? You may not be aware of it, but Donna saved Jerry's behind on Day 4, similar to how Chris, the only confirmed mafia, saved Jerry's behind on Day 2. I'm not 100% sold as seeing Donna as Jerry's teammate, a lot of that relies on whether or not she keeps to her word and votes Jerry today, but to completely ignore the angle is shortsighted.

I do not think you have this game solved. I would not have been asked to sub in if you already know who the last two baddies are and you are about to lynch them.

Just because you subbed in, which I pleaded for, BTW, doesn't mean that I'm wrong.

Bobby Newport wrote:My trust of Jerry stems from something April said about him.

April Ludgate wrote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:I agree with most of what April has said. She seems like a sweet kid. I will try to do a better job of posting more. I just get so forgetful. Chris would probably be my next suspect after Ben, as he shares the trying too hard vibe and helped kill the cop.

This also looks kind of like a civ slip, when he said Ben helped kill the cop (implying Ben's lynch vote was in part the cause of Craig dying, meaning Jerry forgot who the cop was).

Of course this kind of derp can be faked, but that's not the vibe I get here.

I'd ask you to read my case against him and weigh it against one moment of botched semantics.

Bobby Newport wrote:Ah ha, now I see what it was. It was the way you were quick to smear April for that time she said she was a Miller (like, what even is that? Is it like a Mason?), and I didn't like the way you treated Bill for taking the same stance you took regarding April's claim.

Whenever anyone makes a bold claim like that on Day 1, I'm initially dubious. I admit, it took me a while to fully trust April. I was waiting to see if any other players came out strongly against her claim, because they may have a role which originates from a completely different setup than the Miller's. I explained this to Ron during D4.

Ben Wyatt wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Now tell me why your Day 1 casemaking appears so much of a stinker.

I assumed that if April was lying about her Miller claim, either a fellow civ would know so and attempt to fight it, or the mafia would try and cast doubt on it. I looked for the person with the biggest negative knee-jerk reaction, and found it in Bill.

I thought that his hostility about April's claim came from more than healthy skepticism. I was wrong. I made connections in my head that were a result of me overthinking the game, not the actual game itself. And I made a wrong call.

Not sure what else I can say about it other than explaining my mistake and admitting fault.

All in all, I'd say it's about as bad as you joining the case against Leslie during D4.

Andy Dwyer wrote:Didn't even see your screw up, dude!

My secret identity remains a mystery...

Reposting for Bobby to see.

Ben Wyatt wrote:QUESTION TIME!

Bobby, why do you suspect me? Is there anything I can respond to? What's your impression of one mister Jerry Gergich?

(Please delete the above post. I knew I'd screw up at some point.)

Andy, GTH, if Donna is civ, who is the baddie out of Tom, Bobby, and Jean-Ralphio?

I myself would have to say Bobby.

Jerry Gergich wrote:If you guys would trust me just this one time, you would see that I am not mafia and Ben is. When I flip civ, go after Ben next. Don't let him weasel his way out of it.

Tom Haverford wrote:Hey peeps.

I'm subbing in. No chance I'll read the game, so who wants to make the most convincing case for who I should vote for? I want the town to win, so I'm relying on you guys to link me to some good cases!

I can't believe anyone lynched Leslie Knope. LESLIE KNOPE! That right there is where you will find baddies, I bet. Who would lynch her.

Everyone I know from P&R is dead.

If you scroll up, you'll see my case against Jerry. It's quite long, so there's a handy TL;DR version available.

Here's Jerry's case against me:

Donna Meagle wrote:I am here. Not avoiding answering Ben or Andy's questions, I just haven't been able to get here to speak. Joe's charity work as well as my real estate business has kept me quite busy the past two weeks.

I did then, and do now believe that one of the two of Leslie and Jerry were bad. At the time I voted, Jerry felt the most sincere to me. I was gravely incorrect in that read. I wish I had been able to come back at the end of the last lynch to read how Leslie was posting as opposed to how Jerry was posting, that was not in the cards for me that day. The lynches end at the absolute worst time of day for me.

I was wrong about Leslie. I'm having a very difficult time seeing anyone who would get my vote more than Jerry. I feel into the easy thinking that sweet, goofy Jerry couldn't possibly be anything more than how he appears on the surface. That is a mistake I don't plan to make a second time.

Assuming Jerry is mafia, who is his teammate?

notsawyer540 wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:I just found this, and it needs to be shared.

Awesome.

by the way, you did a fantastic job in this game, and I can't wait to play with you again in the future.

I'm an auditor- or at least, I used to be one. I come into failing towns, and I fix them.

Right now, we're failing this game.

I know I may not be as inspiring as Leslie or Ron, but I must implore all of you to start talking and help to solve this game instead of lapsing into complacency or wacky RP.

Don't get me wrong, I love RP too. But RP isn't a replacement for playing the game.

If Tom remains inactive, and we lynch a civilian today, Day 6 will have an even number of active civilians and mafia members.

This is pretty much LyLo, so let's all try a little harder, why don't we?

QUESTION TIME!

Andy, who do you believe to be Jerry's teammate, and what's your impression of Jean-Ralphio and Bobby?

Bobby, why do you suspect me? Is there anything I can respond to? What's your impression of one mister Jerry Gergich?

Donna, do you care to explain your Day 4 vote any further? You said that Jerry and Leslie are on opposite teams, and you think one of them has to be a baddie. Does this mean you'll be voting for Jerry today?

Jean-Ralphio, what's your read on Jerry? You've been silent on him for most of the game. You were wrong about Leslie, where do you propose we go next?

Jerry, what is your response to my ISO on you? Do you agree with your feline depiction?

I just found this, and it needs to be shared.

TL;DR VERSION:

Chris, the only confirmed mafia saved Jerry's ass Day 2. Donna saved Jerry's ass Day 4.

Jerry very rarely actually discusses any of his suspicions in actual detail. Or really anything at all.

He's been tunneling me since Day 1, and none of his arguments hold any water.

Jerry is not an easy lynch. The fact that he's narrowly managed to avoid death twice now proves it.

DAY 1

Jerry Gergich wrote:Gosh, you are all so nice. I don't want to lynch any of you. But Ben and Chris are new around here, and Ben seems to be trying a little too hard, plus he didn't cry at L'il Sebastian's funeral, and he also made me play Cones of Dunshire with him.

Sorry Ben.

Jerry casts a throwaway vote in my direction and doesn't even comment on the April Kerfuffle. It felt like an almost random vote to me, and I didn't take it seriously, like how most of us usually treat Jerry. Little did I know that this would become Jerry's pet case, and one that he'd follow to the ends of the earth, logic and reasoning be damned. You wanna suspect Andy for tunneling? Jerry's been lining me up like a sniper since Day 1.

DAY 2

Jerry Gergich wrote:Oh geez, I can't believe Craig is dead. That's so sad! You know, when I'm feeling a little down, my beautiful wife and daughters always cheer me up. But right now all I really want to do is find the killer. Ben was awful quick to get in here after the kill. I wonder if he was expecting it.

Jerry Gergich wrote:I agree with most of what April has said. She seems like a sweet kid. I will try to do a better job of posting more. I just get so forgetful. Chris would probably be my next suspect after Ben, as he shares the trying too hard vibe and helped kill the cop.

I've already talked about how the first post's criticism of me happening to be online at the beginning of the day is completely and utterly irrelevant, so I'm not gonna go back to that. This is the beginning of Jerry's statements about Chris.

Jerry Gergich wrote:I sure wonder why anyone would want to kill poor Craig. He barely posted, and only said nice things about April. If April was mafia, it could make sense for her to kill a defender, but nothing she has posted makes me think she would be so evil. I like to believe the best in people. Most likely it was a low poster kill designed to leave no clues at all. I guess I'd better step up my own game if I don't want the same thing to happen to me! It would be just my luck.

Maybe I'm just being a goofball, but it seems to me that a more active mafia is more likley to kill low posters than a more passive one, so I would want to look at higher posters. The highest posters so far are Ron, Andy, Ben, Ann, and April. I already know I trust April and already know I don't trust Ben, so that leaves me three more people to look at carefully before I vote. Just as soon as I finish this filing.

Out of the five names he mentioned, three of them were subsequently night killed. I'd argue that the mafia is definitely targeting high posters instead of low ones, and that points me to players who are maybe not as active and are taking heat from active players. Ron and April both went after Jerry pretty hardcore, and both turned up mysteriously dead. That's why I'm posting so much and doing so much analysis.

The mafia wants this to be a dead thread. They want as little discussion as possible.

This also fits Jerry's MO to a tee.

Also note how Jerry doesn't include Chris on his high poster shitlist.

Jerry Gergich wrote:

Chris Traeger wrote: The second one concerns me because it could dissuade people from trying to look for a connection or reason to look at who might kill Craig and why. Looking for answer can only be a good thing, at least that’s what my therapist, Dr. Richard Nygard tells me all the time.

I'm sorry if my work is not up to your standards lately, Chris. I ripped my pants somehow and had to spend most of the day sitting down to keep anyone from noticing. It was only a theory, and if you can see a connection between Craig and the killer, I would love to hear it! I just didn't see much in his posting to make me think of other people.

This is Jerry and Chris' only interaction. It feels like a post that could easily be used to either further, or end Jerry's in-thread suspicion of Chris, depending on which way the wind blows.

Jerry Gergich wrote:Looking at these files all day, I have to say that I think the killer is someone who posts a lot, and that it's very likely that at least one voter for Bill was bad. Cross referencing the two leads me to Ben, Ann, Chris, or Ron. Ron is just such a great guy, and after reading some more of his posts, I think I have to trust him for now.

That means I think we should lynch Ben, Ann, or Chris. Ann used the word "interesting" in her second post of the game, which to me always seems like a fluff word that doesn't say anything but appears to say something, so she is definitely on my radar.

Ann Perkins wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Ann Perkins wrote:Hullo how's it going friends

Aren't you paying attention, woman? This is the worst day since Charles Mulligan's Steakhouse was shut down. Show some damn respect!

I can't ask how my friends are doing during this tragedy? Interesting...

Anyone else have thoughts on these three? I'm so lucky to work with such smart people.

Not sure why he felt the need to quote that last bit, but okay. His reason for suspecting Ann is nonsense, much like his in-thread reason for suspecting me and other high voters.

After all of this hullaballoo, he didn't even vote in the Day 2 poll, so much of this is irrelevant.

DAY 3

This is after Jerry began taking some in-thread heat, and was very nearly lynched. If only Chris didn't decide to vote for Jamm out of the blue. Chris' Day 2 vote just gets worse once you realize he was casting some shade at Jerry earlier in the day. All of that was ignored, and Jerry had his noose cut open at the last second due to Chris' gracious vote.

This has to be the biggest point against him.

Here's Jerry's sole post for this day:

Jerry Gergich wrote:Hey gang! Sorry I've been away, but I accidentally ran over myself with my car. I'm okay though, just bruises mostly. I have always though Chris' enthusiasm seemed phony, and I am happy to vote for him today.

Ha.

This is hollow, desperate distancing that stinks harder than one of Jerry's flatulence attacks.

DAY 4

Jerry Gergich wrote:It's awfully sad to see Ann go, but I don't feel too bad about Chris. He wasn't from Pawnee anyway. I think we should help his partner Ben follow in his footsteps.

Aaaand he's back on the "BEN = HUMAN DISASTER TRAIN." Good stuff. Still not an actual case, more like a witch hunt.

After being nearly lynched on DAY 2, it takes Jerry Gergich until DAY 4 to actually respond to a single point against him. Here's his impassioned plea:

Jerry Gergich wrote:Aw c'mon guys. I know you like to tease me around the office, but lynching me is taking it too far.

At this point people, me included, are desperately trying to get Jerry to give us literally anything.

Now the real Jerry Gergich decides to stand up:

Jerry Gergich wrote:I distrust Ben because he's from out of town, his ways are different from ours, and he comes across as fake and trying too hard (not something I'm likely to be accused of!) He is also freinds with Chris, who was bad.

Lynching me is the lazy option. It's what the mafia would want you to do, and it will give you nothing but a Vanilla Civilian.

The reason Jerry Gergich thinks I'm trying too hard is because I am. I'm trying really fucking hard to keep this game from going directly into the hands of the mafia. All of the other really active players, give or take an Andy, are dead. I feel like I'm the only one who really wants to make this game a civilian win. And I'm gonna keep trying really really hard until we either win, or die trying.

Considering Jerry's been almost lynched on two separate occasions, only to be saved by a single flipping voter BOTH TIMES, I'd say wanting to lynch Jerry isn't the lazy option.

Wanting to lynch me is, however. Jerry's been pushing this bizarre vendetta that seems to be entirely based on me being "fake" and "trying too hard," without bothering to provide any actual explanation. It's the laziest thing I've seen since the time I told Ron to fill out some paperwork about how the Parks department spends its money, and he just sent back a type-written note saying "We spend too much of it."

Jerry Gergich wrote:The accusation that I was distancing from Chris is absurd. I was one of the first to call out Chris for his phoneyness. Phoneyness I see echoed in Ben.

You cast some light shade in his direction, but you didn't say or do squat when he saved your ass on Day 2. You only cast a vote for him once "Jerry + Chris = Scumteam" was the popular in-thread narrative. You were happy to continue going after other high posters like Ann and Ron if it wasn't.

Jerry Gergich wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:If Jerry doesn't actually address his accusers or actually describe his case against me, I'm just going to assume he's a baddie who has given up.

Until he decides to give playing the game a shot, he's where my vote's going to be.

I always distrust posts like this. "If you don't do X, I'll have no choice but to vote you. Then if I don't satisfy him and you guys lynch a civvie, he can say "well, it was his fault, not mine. He should have done what I said." It's a trap designed to duck accountability.

This is the only actual specific criticism he's made of me, if you ignore me being online when MP posted that one time. Every single thing Jerry has done in this entire game, and very likely his entire life, has been to duck accountability. Jerry just threw a big boulder from directly inside his own little glass hovel.

Literally (and I hate to borrow a phrase from Chris) the next four of his posts are attempts to duck accountability.

Jerry Gergich wrote:I think Ben is the killer, but I'll move my vote to Leslie for now in case I am not around for the lynch and need to save myself.

Jerry Gergich wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:I distrust Ben because he's from out of town, his ways are different from ours, and he comes across as fake and trying too hard (not something I'm likely to be accused of!) He is also freinds with Chris, who was bad.

Lynching me is the lazy option. It's what the mafia would want you to do, and it will give you nothing but a Vanilla Civilian.

Why is this argument of yours 80% lore garbage, and yet you speak of us being lazy in our suspicions and votes? The only bit that has anything to do with mafia content(that Ben is faking it or "trying to hard") is the stuff I don't recall you having elaborated in any significant way.

I don't elaborate. I'm just in charge of the filing. Mafia elaborate. Because their schemes are elaborate.

Jerry Gergich wrote:

Leslie Knope wrote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:I don't elaborate. I'm just in charge of the filing. Mafia elaborate. Because their schemes are elaborate.

Still no argument or case for your innocence then? Mafia scheme, evade, and murder. Civilians reason and debate. Right now you're doing one of the bad ones with your evasiveness.

Mafia always evade and Civilians always reason? I guess you know best, Leslie.

(she actually did tho. sorry I ever doubted you bae)

Jerry Gergich wrote:It just seems so rude to argue with you fine people.

After I basically scream in his face to act like a normal non-condescending human being, Jerry takes off the mask, and delivers the only somewhat sincere post he's made this entire game.

Jerry Gergich wrote:I am trying to stay relatively in character, yes. I haven't given up, but I feel like there is very little I can say in defense that will convince anyone. I was distancing from Chris? How do I disprove that? To me it seems clear that my suspicion was sincere, since I was advocating to lynch him and voted for him. Others don;t see it that way.

My case against you is flimsy? Of course it is. It's based on my gut read of your tone, plus you vote on Day One. Actually, your sincerity and honesty in these questions is making me rethink my read of you a bit.

I would say one final thing in my defense. You must see that I would be a very easy lynch at this point, and what would mafia like more than an easy lynch of a civilian who has been largely too busy to develop substantive cases or elaborate defenses? I'll admit that I haven't been the greatest asset for the civilians this game, but I fear that another mislynch will cinch it for the Mafia

Let's take this paragraph by paragraph.

1) Don't wait until a week after people start suspecting you to respond to their suspicions. If you would have bothered to explain your actions earlier in the game, you wouldn't be in this situation. Just because you listed him as one of 3 people you suspected on Day 2, and only voted for him on Day 3, after everyone already suspected you and him were linked, it doesn't mean you were obviously against him the whole time.

2) I'm sorry that your read of my tone is negative. Ironically, the feeling is mutual.

3) You were saved from the brink of being lynched twice. You aren't an easy lynch. An easy lynch is one where the reasoning is some half-hearted anti-intellectual nonsense about how someone is trying too hard and needs to go.

After this, he makes a few posts where he goes after Leslie, who was an easy target for the entirety of her time alive. (RIP )

There's this dynamic exchange:

Leslie Knope wrote:I'm trying to help out as much as I can before I'm killed. My death has been inevitable for a while now. When I come up Vanilla Townie, I hope my "overanalysis" as you put it helps my fellow civs to become victorious and save Pawnee.

Jerry Gergich wrote:I don't believe you, though.

How sincere.

And finally, this plea from Jerry right before the EOD.

Jerry Gergich wrote:Please don't lynch me. I have a wife and kids.

Pardon me while I dry my eyes. I think I can hear the world's tiniest vuvuzela, honking out a sorry tune for Jerry Gergich.

DAY 5

Jerry Gergich wrote:If there's one thing I'm good at, it's winning coin tosses.

Can we please lynch Ben now? He is a baddie.

Also, whatever happened to you rethinking your read of me due to my sincerity and honesty? Guess that's out the window.

Alright, I've loaded up on calzones and coffee from JJ's diner, (The coffee is from JJ's, the low-cal calzones are my own creation.) let's do this thing.

There are seven of us left, and two baddies. Tom is AWOL, and for some reason hasn't been replaced despite not posting since Day 2. I've half a mind to go complain to the big man himself. And by that I mean Perd.

Assuming Tom's too busy ripping off Skymall and posting pictures of his food to social media to show up and play the game, there's gonna be six voters, and also assuming Tom's an absentee civilian, we're gonna need all four active civs left in the game to agree on who they want to lynch, or else we'll be in a sucky dead lock again.

For some reason, I'm taking some heat in this thread. I'd invite anyone who suspects me to ask me actual questions and come up with an actual argument against me instead of just voting out the loudest person. (Which I now am, after all the other very active players were either lynched or nightkilled.)

RAINBOW LIST:

Andy Dwyer - Realized juuust too late what a marvelously misguided idea his Leslie obsession was and tried to stop what he started. I still heavily dislike how he almost single-handedly got Leslie lynched by going after her soooo hard in the thread, but he seems to be the only other player left who's on the same page as me as far as reads go.

Jean-Ralphio - Of all the Day 4 Leslie voters, he looks the best to me. By that I mean his Leslie vote was actually based on logic and was something I could follow. Can't say that about some of the other people on this list.

Tom Haverford - I thought Treat Yo Self was only for a day, not the entirety of a game. But seriously, if Day 6 includes this guy, 2 civs, and 2 scum, I'm gonna be pissed off. I'd like to repeat my request for a late-game replacement, even if this thing'll be over in a few days time.

Bobby Newport - Pointed out stuff against Chris and Jerry, but for some reason has a thing against me. Bobby, I ran your charity for like, a year. What happened to make you so suspicious of me? I know big descriptions and big words are difficult for you, but the game hangs in the balance here. It's time to step up. Also can see his logic behind voting Leslie.

Donna Meagle - Donna's posted and contributed more than some of the people ranked about her, lookin' at you Jean-Ralphio and Bobby, but I see her ridiculously shady Day 4 vote as the reason we're in this situation in the first place. She casts some shade at Jerry earlier in the day, only to do a complete 180 and vote for Leslie at the most critical time in the day. It's especially opportunistic considering how Donna's been more suspicious of Andy for going after Leslie than Leslie herself the entire game. Very similar also to how Jerry almost saved Chris, only more sucessful.

Jerry Gergich - Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, how much do I scumread you? Let me count the ways... No, literally.

IT'S ISO TIME.

And it looks like the swing vote's going to be...Tom Haverford.

Terrific.

Donna Meagle wrote:Looking at our numbers there 9 players remaining. 2 of them are Mafia. So at this moment in time, we have 7 civs to 2 mafia.

If we lynch a mafia, we get to be 7 civs to 1 mafia. Mafia Night kill and we are down 6 civs 1 Mafia.
If by some sad twist of fate, we lynch a civ, we are down 8 civs 2 mafia - Mafia Night kill, we are down to 6 civs and 2 mafia. Still a majority going into the next lynch. It's getting tight for sure, but it's not yet lynch or lose. One of the two of them seems to be playing us.

I don't think that Leslie and Jerry are on the same team one of them has to be bad, and I think it's Leslie. She started the doom and gloom. She's saying she sounded more sincere than Jerry even though, technically, our numbers grow tighter today than they were yesterday. And continue to do so every day. Jerry sounds frustrated in his role play, and like his role play, feels like the easy scapegoat.

I'm placing my vote on Leslie.

This feels suspiciously similar to Chris' Jamm vote. Both did Jerry a big favor.

Donna is now definitely on my radar.

Ron Swanson wrote:Now tell me why your Day 1 casemaking appears so much of a stinker.

I assumed that if April was lying about her Miller claim, either a fellow civ would know so and attempt to fight it, or the mafia would try and cast doubt on it. I looked for the person with the biggest negative knee-jerk reaction, and found it in Bill.

I thought that his hostility about April's claim came from more than healthy skepticism. I was wrong. I made connections in my head that were a result of me overthinking the game, not the actual game itself. And I made a wrong call.

Not sure what else I can say about it other than explaining my mistake and admitting fault.

Jerry Gergich wrote:It just seems so rude to argue with you fine people.

Just this once, I'll allow you to.

I won't laugh in your face, or bring up the whole "fart attack" incident, or anything else.

Man to man, civilian to ostensible civilian:

What is your defense against the people voting against you?
Can you please elaborate about your case against me?
Why are you acting like you've completely given up? Is this your idea of RP?

Jerry's line of thinking seems to be that a true civilian wouldn't bother trying to defend himself.

Or explain himself.

Or try to convince others of his opinions.

Or really elaborate on his own opinions.

Or do anything other than smugly flick his nose at everyone else from the corner.

Truly, the parks department's finest employee.

If Jerry doesn't actually address his accusers or actually describe his case against me, I'm just going to assume he's a baddie who has given up.

Until he decides to give playing the game a shot, he's where my vote's going to be.

Chris Traeger wrote:Well, it seems inevitable that all you lovely people are going to make the mistake of lynching me. I'll vote for Jerry Gergich. Oh! And I see that My good friend Ben Wyatt has voted there as well! Good choice old pal! Once I flip civ I recommend you all give some serious scrutiny to the people who keep repeating the lie that I was not doiung anything but roleplaying. I'm certain you'll find your baddies among them. I suppose this means I won't like to be 150 years old after all, that makes me sad. Maybe one last call to Dr. Richard Nygard so that I can go out smiling! Good luck civilians!

Got any legacy reads, old sport?

The near unanimous (excepting Chris himself and Andy) in-thread condemnation of Chris is giving me pause. I also may have been the only person who actually appreciated his ISO's and thread analysis. It's enough for me to hesitate before adding my vote to the woodpile.

Leslie's still being, well, Leslie, and so is Andy for that matter. The suspect I feel the least conflicted about at this point is still one Mister Jerry Gergich, who has decided to completely ignore almost getting lynched and the numerous cases against him in order to comfortably join the "Lynch Chris" party.

He's where my vote is going, at least until he sees fit to actually respond to anything.

Hmm. I have to say, the results of Day 2 casts the most shade on Chris. His well-timed vote saved Jerry and almost doomed Leslie.

I agree, Leslie changing her stances like, well, a politician isn't great, but I'd see a Chris + Jerry team as more likely, and Leslie doesn't fit in at all with that duo.

Andy has a very specific worldview where Leslie is the only member of the mafia, and may as well be wearing a giant neon sweater with "MAFIA" written in the Sopranos font. Anything that conflicts with that worldview he either ignores or forcefully misinterprets. See: Andy correcting me about my thought process for suspecting Jerry. He thought it was because I hated RP for whatever reason. I said no, and pointed out the real reasons, and then he ignored me again.

I'm not really sure what alignment he's aligned with; a purposefully futile mad witch hunt against a single target is a nice way to avoid bloody hands and suspicion. Then again, his posts could easily read confused civ. The fact that I myself am still nowhere near 100% convinced of Leslie's innocence only complicates things.

Leslie Knope wrote:I don't know, Ron. What I do know is that three people I've been calling out pretty consistently all voted for me and two of them waited till the last minute.

That's not a good look.

Can we all agree that locked-thread nights are BS?

Andy Dwyer wrote:leslie has yet to name a suspect who hasn't suspected her first

when did Jerry suspect Leslie?

Andy Dwyer wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:Oh geez, I can't believe Craig is dead. That's so sad! You know, when I'm feeling a little down, my beautiful wife and daughters always cheer me up. But right now all I really want to do is find the killer. Ben was awful quick to get in here after the kill. I wonder if he was expecting it.

I'm sorry Jerry, not everyone is as inactive as you. Also, what possible incentive do members of the mafia have for showing up at the beginning of the day phase? It's not like they have to send in the kill five minutes before the end of the night. You do understand the game of mafia, don't you Jerry?

i don't think this is that weird.
i also think gary is wrong here tho.

Ben Wyatt wrote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:Looking at these files all day, I have to say that I think the killer is someone who posts a lot, and that it's very likely that at least one voter for Bill was bad. Cross referencing the two leads me to Ben, Ann, Chris, or Ron. Ron is just such a great guy, and after reading some more of his posts, I think I have to trust him for now.

That means I think we should lynch Ben, Ann, or Chris. Ann used the word "interesting" in her second post of the game, which to me always seems like a fluff word that doesn't say anything but appears to say something, so she is definitely on my radar.

Jerry, most of your posts are fluff that doesn't say anything but appears to say something. You have this bizarre theory based on nothing which says that low posters are inherently less suspicious than high posters. This just seems like a massive generalization which excuses yourself and gives you a few easy targets to lazily swat at. Then you zero in on Ann saying "interesting," which is yet another thing you've decided is a scumtell.

Frankly, I don't know why you're on my tail, Jerry. And the same goes for you too Tom.

Tom Haverford wrote:I'm about half caught up on what I should and am totes voting Ben.

His style is garbage and he probably is taking it out on others, so lets get him outa here.

Was this just a random throwaway vote for funsies, or do you have an actual "thing" against me?

it seems Ben suspects jerry/tom bc they're wrapped in role play and not baddie finding like a REAL FBI AGENT WOULD EB

I suspect Tom and Jerry (damn it) because they suspect me for what I think are less than satisfactory reasons. I mean, Tom didn't even offer a reason. It's nothing to do with roleplay. If I had something against RP, I'd be targeting you, Ron, and Chris.

Why do you think mafia members are more likely to post immediately after the end of a night?

April Ludgate wrote:My time zones are screwed up. Does this phase end in 15 minutes or over an hour?

Over an hour

April Ludgate wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:

April Ludgate wrote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:I agree with most of what April has said. She seems like a sweet kid. I will try to do a better job of posting more. I just get so forgetful. Chris would probably be my next suspect after Ben, as he shares the trying too hard vibe and helped kill the cop.

This also looks kind of like a civ slip, when he said Ben helped kill the cop (implying Ben's lynch vote was in part the cause of Craig dying, meaning Jerry forgot who the cop was).

Of course this kind of derp can be faked, but that's not the vibe I get here.

This means as much to me as Jerry freaking out over Ann using the word "interesting."

...

It means absolutely nothing, that's what I'm trying to say.

What do you think happened in that post then?

Words are hard. They mean weird things sometimes, stuff we never intend them to mean. I never really put much stock in obsessing over word choice. Jerry confusing the cop and Bill doesn't really have any forbearance over his alignment in my mind. People say dumb things, and seizing one small detail and making it alignment indicative, much like Jerry and the word "interesting" just seems only to reinforce whatever opinion you already have.

I think Jerry is bad, I read his post and think his screw-up is just that- a screw-up.
You think Jerry is good, you read his post and think his screw-up is a subtle clue to his alignment, and you get to feel like Sherlock Holmes for a few seconds.

April Ludgate wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:

April Ludgate wrote:

Leslie Knope wrote:Off the top of my head, Tom. He's posted twice. Once about frying turkeys and once about voting for Ben. IIRC the post about voting for Ben was based entirely on nothing.

I agree, his vote for Ben was weak. Do you think a mafia team comprised of players like Tom is likely to notice Craig as the cop?

Are we thinking that the mafia knew Craig was the cop? Because I assumed it was a super lucky shot in the dark.

Your assumption is possible. I do think Craig played it a little too transparently though by placing total and immediate trust in me without question. He made me look like either his Night 0 peek or the miller claim that fit perfectly in his setup. I'd have noticed that if I was bad.

Hmm. Hindsight is 20/20. I'd lean towards it being a random kill instead of the mafia noticing one post where Craig had an adamant opinion and assuming he's the cop. I think the latter is probable, but less likely.

April Ludgate wrote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:I agree with most of what April has said. She seems like a sweet kid. I will try to do a better job of posting more. I just get so forgetful. Chris would probably be my next suspect after Ben, as he shares the trying too hard vibe and helped kill the cop.

This also looks kind of like a civ slip, when he said Ben helped kill the cop (implying Ben's lynch vote was in part the cause of Craig dying, meaning Jerry forgot who the cop was).

Of course this kind of derp can be faked, but that's not the vibe I get here.

This means as much to me as Jerry freaking out over Ann using the word "interesting."

...

It means absolutely nothing, that's what I'm trying to say.

April Ludgate wrote:Tom can never be a civilian read with so little content, but no case against him is going to be easy to sell either. There are two posts. I actually think Garry looks fine right now. His reasoning for arriving at Ben, Ann, and Chris as top leads looks both authentic and rational to me. He used his own sort of process of elimination. I don't really agree with Ben being a great option here though. I could consider Ann or Chris just as I continue to consider Leslie.

Any of the above sounds like a better lynch than Jerry to me, and Tom feels like a lazy lynch. He even feels like a deflection away from the current leaders.

I guess I just fail to see "High posters = mafia" as a smart and logical assumption, coupled with his apparent desire to destroy me like a mediocre sandwich.

I think Gerry's mini-POE is BS, and nothing looks authentic or logical about his reasoning. (In my opinion.) It's all fluff that doesn't say anything but appears to say something. And his crusade against high posters seems like an easy way to both mislead the group, and get rid of the people who are actually contributing to the game.

Going with Jerry as well. To quote the man himself, this EoD is certainly shaping up to be "interesting."

Leslie Knope wrote:It seems to me that they both have it out for Ben, and with no good reason other than the fact he's a nerd.

Most people seem to have this problem. It's why I got contacts, in order to make myself seem less intellectually threatening.

April Ludgate wrote:

Leslie Knope wrote:Off the top of my head, Tom. He's posted twice. Once about frying turkeys and once about voting for Ben. IIRC the post about voting for Ben was based entirely on nothing.

I agree, his vote for Ben was weak. Do you think a mafia team comprised of players like Tom is likely to notice Craig as the cop?

Are we thinking that the mafia knew Craig was the cop? Because I assumed it was a super lucky shot in the dark.

Leslie Knope wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:I'd like to hear what Leslie to say given her Ron & April nonsense at the late hours of the late phase, in light of the flip and what it says about April. Bunch of nothing throughout the phase, AWOL for 42 hours and then comes in, having drunk apparently from the same bottle of cheap Bud as Ann.

It was less than 24 hours.

I don't think it changes much. It makes me slightly more sure that I can trust her, but I still don't trust you, Ron. There are two reasons I'm still alive at this point: 1. Craig outed himself. 2. One or more of my accusations (you, April, Andy) was correct and killing me would have only raised more suspicions.

Leslie, I love you, but that's a dumb thing to say. Have you been hitting the Snake Juice again?

Jeremy Jamm wrote:

April Ludgate wrote:

Jeremy Jamm wrote:Jeremy Jamm is here! To attempt to catch up,
First off I disagree with anything and everything Knope said,
Second Ron should be lynched for punching me,
Third I want a bigger office.

Expect a few posts throughout the day. I do want to point out April outing herself caused the death of our cop, I wouldn't mind seeing her get lynched in case she is the mafia. Why would a civ do such a thing? Also until our miller flips we don't even know if it is in the set up 100% we also don't know if April is the miller or the godfather do we?

Blaming me for the cop's death is nonsense. This post is awful.

You claimed one of the two town roles the other being the cop with no defensive role, you also pushed to try to figure out the set up we're in. So yeah it kinda is your fault.

April already did a great job at poking holes in Jamm's assumptions here, so I'm not gonna retread this ground. But still...I know Jamm and logic were never particularly close even in the best of times, but this is kind of ridiculous.

My top suspect right now is Jerry, but I could be easily talked into going with Leslie or Jamm. Both seem to ignore logic in favor of grand sweeping self-congratulatory declarations.

Jerry Gergich wrote:Oh geez, I can't believe Craig is dead. That's so sad! You know, when I'm feeling a little down, my beautiful wife and daughters always cheer me up. But right now all I really want to do is find the killer. Ben was awful quick to get in here after the kill. I wonder if he was expecting it.

I'm sorry Jerry, not everyone is as inactive as you. Also, what possible incentive do members of the mafia have for showing up at the beginning of the day phase? It's not like they have to send in the kill five minutes before the end of the night. You do understand the game of mafia, don't you Jerry?

Jerry Gergich wrote:Looking at these files all day, I have to say that I think the killer is someone who posts a lot, and that it's very likely that at least one voter for Bill was bad. Cross referencing the two leads me to Ben, Ann, Chris, or Ron. Ron is just such a great guy, and after reading some more of his posts, I think I have to trust him for now.

That means I think we should lynch Ben, Ann, or Chris. Ann used the word "interesting" in her second post of the game, which to me always seems like a fluff word that doesn't say anything but appears to say something, so she is definitely on my radar.

Jerry, most of your posts are fluff that doesn't say anything but appears to say something. You have this bizarre theory based on nothing which says that low posters are inherently less suspicious than high posters. This just seems like a massive generalization which excuses yourself and gives you a few easy targets to lazily swat at. Then you zero in on Ann saying "interesting," which is yet another thing you've decided is a scumtell.

Frankly, I don't know why you're on my tail, Jerry. And the same goes for you too Tom.

Tom Haverford wrote:I'm about half caught up on what I should and am totes voting Ben.

His style is garbage and he probably is taking it out on others, so lets get him outa here.

Was this just a random throwaway vote for funsies, or do you have an actual "thing" against me?

Ann Perkins wrote:I find it kind of strange how 2 active players, Craig & Ben, haven't interacted at all the entire game so far. Maybe they have another day chat they can communicate in ho-hummm

HEY CRAIG, HOW'S IT GOING? I'M DOING GOOD.

On the bright side, the offices will be much more quiet without his interesting conception of an inside voice. Also, he once called me "HALF-ROBOT, HALF-MONSTER" when I tried to get him to stop spending the budget on expensive wines for family picnics.

He truly was an enigma.

Well, that's lame.

RIP Craig, who was our only beneficial town role. Now we're stuck with either the Miller (April seems really legit right now) or a Sick Innocent Child that's gonna die anyway.

Not a fantastic night, all things considered.

I'm gonna toss a vote on Bill. At this point, I can buy into a scenario where he's bad and April's civ more than I can April being bad and him being civ or them both being innocents/baddies.

Andy's been pretty out there, slightly more so than usual. His mini-feud with Leslie seemed a little odd, on both ends, and I don't like how he jumps back against Ron's relatively gentle prodding.

Andy Dwyer wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Works just fine to this day. Now what did I say about videos!!

Not much of a question answerer, son?

April's my wife. What do you want me to say?

IDK man, you're going pretty hard on me even though I say thing.s

Overall, I'm pretty neutral on Mr. Modest Mouserat, although he's someone I'm gonna keep an eye on in the future, specifically his interactions with Leslie.

Bill comes out of the gate casting shade against April.

What do we have to trust you on this info?

Why make the claim when you have no way of proving otherwise? I still think a mafia member is the one most likely to make that claim. Especially given they are the only ones who know what the current setup is.

There is a way for April's claim to be proven or disproven: Someone else comes out and claims for or against her. Unless that happens, we have to deal with Schrodinger's April Ludgate, who is simultaneously truthful and lying.

It's at this point that April starts going after Bill as well, casting the first vote in his direction.

Bill Dexhart wrote:

April Ludgate wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:Well, now you know that we know that your role claim could easily be faked, you know? The possibility of you being a despicable liar face shouldn't be ignored. It's like in Game of Thrones, when Littlefinger tells Ned Stark that "Distrusting me was the wisest thing you've done since you climbed off your horse."

Don't you have some Star Trek fan fiction to be writing or something?

Bill's response to my claim was weird. He acted like I should be able to support my claim other than just saying it. I wonder how his intestines taste.

It was more a response that you would come out and say it with no other way for you to back your claim up, outside of simply saying that not stating such a claim would be worse in the long run.

I have a big, firm eye on you for that though. Especially since you were willing to vote me so early.

Then, Bill decides to pivot on an axis away from attacking April.

Alright. If we don't have anyone who can disprove her claim, then I would be inclined to believe April.

Bill Dexhart wrote:

April Ludgate wrote:Here I'll make it simple. I'm either the miller, or I'm a baddie who claimed miller to lure out all the power roles at my own sacrifice. Make up your minds on that and move forward.

That's why I'm waiting for others to respond. Because the second is the kind of badass risk I could see several players on this site trying to make.

At the same time, it's also incredibly risky to pull such a move on Day 1, so I would think the first outcome is most likely.

I would just feel better hearing from more people on the matter before I make my mind up.

Aaaand now he's on the proverbial fence.

It's at this point that he starts a bit of a roleclaiming campaign himself.

Bill Dexhart wrote:

Ben Wyatt wrote:But the only role that's in both is the-oh, I get it.

So you're the Miller, Bill? Can I call you the Biller?

You can call me whatever you want as long as you're dressed in all leather

Being the Miller would be far more awesome than my current role though.

So, much like Ron, he's also hopping on board the ol' Vanilla Civilian Claim Train. But I'm not sure if I'm buying it.

I believe that Bill and April are different alignments.

If April is lying, I think Bill has a power role that could disprove her claims, but he's too afraid of possible night kills to say anything about it. (Thanks Ann!) If April is truthful, I think Bill is trying to get her lynched as much as he can without potentially directly implicating himself, like how Littlefinger handled the poisoning of King Joffrey.

I'm leaning towards the latter.