The Syndicate

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:21 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:20 pm Not sure lol. I think it's NAI in a vaccum, leaning towards a calculated play so wolfy. Like it's townie when they don't care about dying, you can't convince me she doesn't. And town her would always care.

What the hell are you talking about, I'm self-pressing. I care about dying and have been trying to convince you all I'm not scum for the last 15 minutes.

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm So when I flip town, dont buy any bullshit shuck and jive talk that's certainly gonna come out.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:14 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:09 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:59 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:55 pm @Bart Simpson Did you finish the iso of Krusty?

Nope i was kidnapped by RL unfortunately.
Did you have time to Iso Allison and find a reason to vote her?

Nope last I iso'd her was last phase when I was reassessing. Mostly stemmed from her having a small view on the game and going at it one target after another. It fits someone being comfortable with the state of the game, and keeping stuff close to their chest for further pushes afterwards. Like you can't what their thoughts on the game are past her current target at times. Especially since she was talking about the wolves being happy with the status quo so it doesn't fit her play. She's playing a clean game which is expected but I don't think she's actually contributed to any solving or has skin in the game.

Also our interactions earlier, feels like she's treating me as confirmed town through them rather than someone she's considering might have been fooling her like she said.

There is also the worlds, I'm absolutely certain there is a wolf between her and Burns if not both. Like most other teams don't make sense especially since I have you as town and I know I'm town lol

Ig i can't be picky with the reasons at this moment

Always ready to CFD Burns

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:03 pm [VOTE: Krusty] aubergine

A'ight...now we're pod racing

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:00 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:56 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:54 pm If Otto/Krusty has just one wolf, then 2 more are outside.
Who are they?

As said earlier:

One in Hugh/Burns, because those two aren't wolves together. I'm currently leaning towards it being Burns slightly more because Hugh voted me without hesitation and Burns sort of showed hesitation to join the wagon on me, like he knows the wagon is bad and he doesn't want to get his hands dirty.

One in Gramps/Grumple. I have mixed feelings about both of them but GTH it's Grumple because the town stuff I've seen from Grumple seems less easier to fake than the town stuff I've seen from Gramps (even if it's less consistent).

Actually maybe Hugh is open wolfing with the vote on me because he thinks he can get away with it, ugh

I don't really buy his weird insistence that Krusty/Otto is V/V either. But that Burns hesitation is so out of character for the guy who was willing to smack a vote down on someone because he thinks pressure can turn coal into diamonds.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:59 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:55 pm @Bart Simpson Did you finish the iso of Krusty?

Nope i was kidnapped by RL unfortunately.
Did you have time to Iso Allison and find a reason to vote her?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:45 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:37 pm I swear if you're Mafia bart lolol

best line who can be posted by mafia against a townie is this, but i received this from both AIs during my games from many players, what i try to find is the intention behind.
Why would you post such things to inflate my paranoia?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:40 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:37 pm Apologies not accepted

My bad, i raraely apologise when i didn't offend someone

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:33 pm How much time is it until Eod?
Poll says is at 9:30
My clock says is 7:30 now
You already said my clock is good but you say we have one hour until Eod.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:38 am

Please note that because of Daylight Saving Time, Day 4 will actually end at 8:30 PM Eastern time, one hour earlier than normally scheduled. I apologize for our society's continued reliance on this practice.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:29 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:25 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:19 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:20 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:02 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:57 pm What did you get from looking at Burns and me?

I've been poking at both of you for reads and thoughts this day phase and I've gotten mostly zilch tbh

both of you are just repeating the party line in that you have roughly the same reads/ideas you've had a day phase ago (correct me if you've done any major re-evals this day and I missed it). burns is depressed and I think townies are more likely to be depressed in this gamestate but obv that's easily fakeable.

Did I miss some of your questions? I think I got back to everyone mentioning me, and shared my reads and thoughts on the game. Haven't really mentioned Grumple and Grampa though but I have no interest in solving there, nor has anything changed from my thoughts the last phase.

Lmao at party line. Re-evaluation doesn't necessarily entail reaching completely different conclusions. One change though would be Bart as mentioned in my interactions with him earlier. Reservations on Krusty are new-ish. Fucking Burns that's my line, I'm the one emotionally exhausted

Chances that this is w/w theatre durecting town in 2 opposite directions?

Otto and Krusty? Or me and Alison interactions lol?

Yours and Allison's

[VOTE: Alliison] aubergine

Going to the poll asap too... What a game....

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:19 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:20 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:02 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:57 pm What did you get from looking at Burns and me?

I've been poking at both of you for reads and thoughts this day phase and I've gotten mostly zilch tbh

both of you are just repeating the party line in that you have roughly the same reads/ideas you've had a day phase ago (correct me if you've done any major re-evals this day and I missed it). burns is depressed and I think townies are more likely to be depressed in this gamestate but obv that's easily fakeable.

Did I miss some of your questions? I think I got back to everyone mentioning me, and shared my reads and thoughts on the game. Haven't really mentioned Grumple and Grampa though but I have no interest in solving there, nor has anything changed from my thoughts the last phase.

Lmao at party line. Re-evaluation doesn't necessarily entail reaching completely different conclusions. One change though would be Bart as mentioned in my interactions with him earlier. Reservations on Krusty are new-ish. Fucking Burns that's my line, I'm the one emotionally exhausted

Chances that this is w/w theatre durecting town in 2 opposite directions?

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:12 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:50 pm

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:31 pm 5 hours until Eod i will be back i hope 2 hours before

Still reading that Iso but i wanted to check the Eod moment.

It's 4. You've missed the host post clarifying it

Then my app who tells me is 7 pm now is wrong?

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:31 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:25 pm I don't think doubt is inherently a town tell. I have a different take on his earlier uncertainty, not sure which post but this hasn't been a long phase so you can probably find it. Bart echoed it. What struck you as townie from it?

Yeah, I saw that. I'm not sure I understand the read honestly, you think he's been trying to steer/manipulate the game into reaching certain conclusions, which is something I'd expect to come from someone who has a really strong narrative of how we should carry out the day and what we should do today and trying to push that agenda on us. This is actually why I suspect Otto :P

I don't think doubt is a town tell in general but given that the days have been going disastrously for us I'd expect townies to be slightly more doubtful of themselves/their reads and mafia to be slightly more complacent or aggressive to push their agenda through.

The level of doubt Burns has shown is fakeable though so I'm not clear him for it or anything, which is the problem, both you and Burns have done townie-but-not-unfakeable stuff.

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:31 pm Interesting it's turned into a thunderdome situation. I'm not sure who created that narrative but that's something worth exploring tomorrow if I'm yeeted, or if Krusty happens to flip town, which I very much doubt.

One of the things I'm really looking at from Krusty is his lack of critical thinking in this situation. He's a really smart dude and good solver, given these traits I find it very hard to believe he'd immediately omgus me for coming at him. He'd think and realize if I was wolf there's absolutely no way in hell I'd sacrifice my cushy town core position for a misyeet on him. Especially considering the fact I came out with my suspicions at the beginning of the round, frustrated with the game state and going back to rattling cages before there were wagons on anybody.

If I'm wolf, why in the fuck would I give up my position?
Am I protecting a teammate with my early day push on him, before any wagons formed?
Do I have an insane death wish?

Hard claiming VT.

If I end up yeeted I won't cry, but I'll still be cheering for town from the dps.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:04 pm unfortunately the problem is that if either of you is wolf then you've clearly shown the ability to be able to hard pocket me, and have the range to be able to fake stuff like doubt (which burns has) or a townie tone (which I do think you have today), so it's hard to reach firm conclusions on you.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:04 pm I think the way you and burns have been at each other's throats for pretty much the entire game does rule you out as W/W at least which is good because I don't think I can win if burns/hugh is W/W. honestly I'm just putting all my eggs in resolving krusty and otto and hoping interaction analysis on the wolf there can help me catch the other two. In an ideal world you two would be V/V and the last two are grumple and grampa but I doubt we live in an ideal world kind of game lol

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:02 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:57 pm What did you get from looking at Burns and me?

I've been poking at both of you for reads and thoughts this day phase and I've gotten mostly zilch tbh

both of you are just repeating the party line in that you have roughly the same reads/ideas you've had a day phase ago (correct me if you've done any major re-evals this day and I missed it). burns is depressed and I think townies are more likely to be depressed in this gamestate but obv that's easily fakeable.

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:31 pm 5 hours until Eod i will be back i hope 2 hours before

Still reading that Iso but i wanted to check the Eod moment.