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by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:49 pm
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Marco wrote:Private threads would be great, but mafia is just a small part of the website I come from and some of the higher staff like to keep us on a tight leash, so we don't have any such options. QT's are the perfect alternative. They're really convenient for role madness games as there's so many abilities, players, roles, gambits, etc to keep track of. On our board, 20 player games are considered small and there're usually 2-3 60+ player games each year (average game size is around 25-30 players, and the preferable size is generally ~40). And most mafia teams usually have each member with 2-3 abilties with a Godfather (and maybe Backup) having 4-5. And a lot of games go beyond this. So you can see how chatrooms would be a big inconvenience.
The only downside I've come across is if there is a role in the game that gains nightly BTSC with a different player each night. It makes much more sense to create Chatzy rooms each time rather than a new private thread.
How we do this on MM is to have a dedicated sister subforum along side each game name, and then have a bunch of sub-subforums within there for each type (we have BTSC A-F, for Mafia and then any other possible multi-factional games) as well as a Ghosties sub-subforum. Each player with some sort if BTSC access has the privilege to see and post in their specific sub-subforum, but not the others. In examples like what you mentioned, the nightly BTSCs can be moved into the Ghosties sub-subforum. Any dead players or spectators would be able to see all the sub forums.

The only thing you need is a mod to clear the permissions and stuff between games and set up permissions for players during games as needed, which could always be an extension of the MoD since games always have one here.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:37 pm
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:However... the moment when I genuinely believed MP was town was doing my iso towards the end of day 4. Before then it was mostly show. Even after that I was thinking 'this does remind me of me in Economics' - so well played MP, really well played.
Thanks, Golden, and thanks to everyone else who said kind words as well. I really worked hard on that IAWY bus; I tried to nail him with criticisms of specific content, and I'm not sure how much he purposefully laid out there for me but I kept taking it.
Some of it, yeah. Once I realized I was always getting lynched I started making subtle scummy mistakes for you to pick up on so your case would be better when you exposed then all, if you exposed them all. I mostly just stayed positive though! No need to go out of the game with a butter tongue. :srsnod:
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:14 pm
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

:beer:
Yeah. :p

Not having day chat was incredibly paralyzing and foreign to me, especially at first. I wanted to tell IAWY and ika many things, lol, and I was especially frustrated by ika only going after his teammates, but the WIFOM worked out I suppose. I didn't feel it wasn't an easy game, despite the fact that there were still 3 of us alive at the end. I kept worrying about every single post I made; I tried my absolute best to make sure I was approaching the game as a townie. It was difficult to avoid confirmation bias, no doubt.
You did awesome! Past D1, the only real criticism you got was from me with the ISO comments, which gave you town points and incriminated MM after I was lynched. You looked pretty townie all game, which us a rare feat to accomplish as Mafia.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:11 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote:That "MP has reads on all his null-ISOs" from IAWY makes so much sense now. Oh hindsight.

:beer:
Haha, I provided him with game-winning cover by letting him bus me into top town. :D

Sorry for not being able to do better, going MIA D1 really killed any chance I would've had at surviving or doing well. But thanks for the experience regardless! I had fun. :)
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:00 pm
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Have fun guys! Sorry that I couldn't be more active, but that's Mafia for ya haha. :D
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:58 pm
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Final reads list, I guess.

Town:
Zebra
Marco (Dudnt get a chance to talk to him, which is unfortunate)

Town lean:
MP
Golden
Zexy
Dizzy

Null (aka I don't have much of a defined read on them in either direction for various reasons):
Ika
MM
Psi
Sloonei

Slight Mafia:
Wilgy (I didn't like that he popped in, gave nothing of value, and then disappeared again)
Sig (I don't like him that much for tunneling)
Soneji (gut read, he reads bad to me)

Mafia:
N/A
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:54 pm
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Golden wrote:Hey, IAWY

Assuming you are lynched, and no matter what your alignment.

Your positive outlook on the game is fun. I hope you stick around here :nicenod:
Thanks! I don't play Mafia to be aggressive, I play to hav fun regardless of whether I win or not. Because I had to adapt my style so much to play on MU, that doesn't really get to shine through much recently since you have to be more aggressive there overall, so it's nice to come here and be able to be myself.

On that note, I'm not fighting as hard as I should because I don't stick my neck out unless I have a reason to fight. If I were a baddie, maybe. If I were a TPR, most definitely, but I'm just a vanilla goodie, and so my ability to gather info is all I'm good for. I didn't do that great in this game because of RL coming first, so I deserve to be lynched, tbh, since I didn't really do my job that well.

I HAD ONE JOB

Addendum: answered above, but no, I'm goodfornothing vanilla. I'm not even chocolate, that would've been nice.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:46 pm
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Marco wrote:
Golden wrote:
Marco wrote:Regardless, why not just answer the question? You might convince me to vote for him.
I mean, I think your point that we don't get a lot from Wilgy if he flips town is completely fair and true. I can't think of anything. I just don't know that we get a lot from IAWY flipping town either.

I just don't know that we will get much from ANY town flips until we have at least one scum flip.

I wasn't really trying to convince you to vote Wilgy - I'm very comfortable knowing you are on the IAWY train.
First, IAWY gives more info just going by numbers. Then you have the larger number of people with reads on IAWY. Then you have the tie from yesterday to look at. And the semi CFD. Is it just me who thinks IAWY unquestionably has more info attached to him?

Though you're right about town flips not giving us much, that doesn't mean we get no info from them.
The problem with that line of thinking is that it assumes I'm going to flip baddie. I'm not, because I'm not a baddie, so lynching me today does nothing but let the real baddies get a laugh in at how easy it was to scapegoat me. Until we have a baddie lynch, you get no info from my kynch that's meaningful, which means if the Vig is a goodie one and hey shoot wring again, you have to go through an entire other day before you have a chance at getting any meaningful info, and nobody seems to be seriously looking into other people right now.

Addendum: Not in the past hour or so, I see random CFD on Zexy and vague Wilgy talk, nothing substantial or meaningful.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:42 pm
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
sig wrote:oh and one more point agaisnt IWAY he voted for Wilgy and I didn't like that vote or the reasoning for it. I also don't like how Matt jumped from the MM wagon onto that. I could see a MAtt/MM team.

Current mafia team thoughts.
Ika
MM
Matt
??? Maybe IWAY
IF IWAY is mafia
IWAY
MM/Matt
Ika
Zebra/matt

I normally wouldn't do this, but with no night posting I want to get my thoughts out in case I die. Also if we have a jailkeeper/doctor pleaseeeee protect me. :hugs:

linki: Fine. But, I want him strung up!
I was getting info on someone I was null reading haha. I don't see why it's a strike against me unless you either didn't read or you're deliberately tunneling me to try and justify your suspicion once a I flip town.

I didn't like Wilgy's response because he said absolutely nothing of value and disappeared again, but I'm still in info-finding mode because I know I'm dying today regardless at this point, so let's move on to someone else in the null list since it won't make much of a difference to self-pres when I'm still getting lynched.

VOTE SIG

Heyo Sig! I don't like that you have a problem with my Wilgy vote. I also don't like that if my memory serves correctly, you have generally been sheeping other people's reads instead of your own content and just kinda going with the flow instead of actively scum hunting.

Can you give me anything that would prove otherwise? What are your current reads?
You're going to die in less than 30 minutes. Why is this your post at this time? Where is your sense of urgency? Why aren't you fighting for your life and trying to gather people's trust/votes?
I already recognized earlier that I was going to die. Being missing D1 and Frog constantly claiming what my MU town meta was (which I'm not playing by becayse I don't have to here) invariably damaged my ability to play without being heavily suspected, so there's not much I can do at this point to avoid the lynch. I'm just focusing on getting info from people right now for everybody else's benefit since most of the focus is being pushed onto me as a distraction from actual scum hunting.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:39 pm
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Matt wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:....
Are you bad?

Linki - Golden, MP, you thinkin' up reasons before IAWY's town flip on why you voted him? "Well, there were more trustworthy people on the IAWY wagon soooo...."
Nope, but I'm still gonna die today, so it doesn't really matter because you still don't get any info by mislynching me without a Mafia flip to check things against.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:35 pm
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:VOTE INAWORDYES

I see you watching the thread. What's up?
I'm frantically catching up before EoD haha. :omg:
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:33 pm
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Matt wrote:Before a third person connects me and IAWY, I'd just like to say...

Nice to meet you, IAWY. Sorry you're about to get lynched apparently, while Wilgy is free to roam the town while killing us in our sleep :(
Heyo! Nice to meet you too! Sorry that we couldn't meet under better circumstances haha, but hey, if you happen to find yourself dead eventually, there's always Ghosties. :D
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:30 pm
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sig wrote:oh and one more point agaisnt IWAY he voted for Wilgy and I didn't like that vote or the reasoning for it. I also don't like how Matt jumped from the MM wagon onto that. I could see a MAtt/MM team.

Current mafia team thoughts.
Ika
MM
Matt
??? Maybe IWAY
IF IWAY is mafia
IWAY
MM/Matt
Ika
Zebra/matt

I normally wouldn't do this, but with no night posting I want to get my thoughts out in case I die. Also if we have a jailkeeper/doctor pleaseeeee protect me. :hugs:

linki: Fine. But, I want him strung up!
I was getting info on someone I was null reading haha. I don't see why it's a strike against me unless you either didn't read or you're deliberately tunneling me to try and justify your suspicion once a I flip town.

I didn't like Wilgy's response because he said absolutely nothing of value and disappeared again, but I'm still in info-finding mode because I know I'm dying today regardless at this point, so let's move on to someone else in the null list since it won't make much of a difference to self-pres when I'm still getting lynched.

VOTE SIG

Heyo Sig! I don't like that you have a problem with my Wilgy vote. I also don't like that if my memory serves correctly, you have generally been sheeping other people's reads instead of your own content and just kinda going with the flow instead of actively scum hunting.

Can you give me anything that would prove otherwise? What are your current reads?
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:13 pm
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Where is Psi? I don't remember him posting at all today, if he has his posts have just been super unmemorable. That doesn't make for a good vote though, so let's go with the one who seems like a Beetlejuicing active lurker.

VOTE DRWILGY

You seem to show up when someone mentions your name but disappear otherwise. Can you give me any reason to think you're town for this kind of behavior? Can you give me a hottake on your reads at the moment?
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:11 pm
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Oh, nobody is? O-okay, that's fine, I didn't want to talk to anybody anyways...

FOREVER ALONE

Addendum: ohai Golden! I already talked to you haha, shoo. :p
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:07 pm
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Marco wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Marco wrote:What're the thoughts on golden's reveal that he noticed MM hinting MP was PR day 1. And he scum read MM even though scum didn't attack MP last night.
Golden acknowledged that all the events relevant to this topic happened on Day 2. If he is scum, he couldn't have gone into Night 1 with this knowledge.
Ah. Strange that he called it early game then.

Anyway, my assertion was that if he thought you hinted MP being PR, then his scum read on you is odd as you would've attacked MP. A bit moot now, since he apparently meant today, not early game.

@IAWY, I'm curious about why you suspect me. Looking forward to your explanation.
I don't suspect you. Haha that's the problem, I have a null read on you, so I want to hear from you (specifically right now in this case because I heard from Golden already and you two are going back and forth). It's not because I find you scummy, I just want some info since I'm lacking so much at the moment. I fully intend to change it to someone else.

Addendum: That's fine, I can focus on someone else for the moment if you won't be able to give anything. I don't want barebones, I want in-depth so that I can get a firsthand sense of your thinking and reasoning. So now I need to figure out who's actually here right now haha.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:54 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote:Thoughts on IAWY: Is this guy trying to come off as scum? Seriously, there's so much that makes me go nooooo reading his posts. The point about MP giving reads on his ISOs is just so random to me. He accounted for that when he did it, it's all explained there. It's not very hard to understand. The cop redcheck comment is just wtf. His vote on Golden looks random to me as well, he says it's because he wants to dig into his null reads, and then he completely disappears. Is he even trying? I feel like he's not reading the posts in the game either. It's almost a too scummy to be scum situation to me here. Would lynch in a heartbeat.
Haha so here's an example of someone with the standard IAWY thoughts.

I'm guessing you didn't catch up as thoroughly as you thought, because I explained why I was voting for Golden and why I disappeared (I went to sleep, kept the vote overnight since Golden didn't say anything about it before I left. I don't like the insinuation that I'm not doing anything or that I'm just out of touch with the game (I am, and I am not respectively), because that makes it easy to justify a lynch, especially if that's the main basis of your argument, which as written here is not that substantive.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:40 pm
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Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:Do the moment, I guess I'll start getting some info from mynp nulls reads. Since Gikden is here, may as wel, start with him!

VOTE GOLDEN

Heyo Golden! I fully intend to change my vote to someone else, but right now I have you in my larger-than-it-should-be list of null reads, so since you're here right I'd like to have some sort of interaction. Anything you can tell me about your reads and specifically some thoughts on myself, Soneji (who is currently my only Mafia read) and MP (who seems to be a bit shady)?
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MP - last time I remember playing with him where he was scum, I nailed on him on day one. Then, I died shortly afterwards and didn't get to lynch him until I got a rezz several days later, by chance, and by that point he'd done a major AtE gambit and I'd begun to doubt my read. But really, I think I am decent at reading MP. He does change things up a bit, but I think I'm much more likely to scum read his town game than town read his scum game. But he has mostly been town recently, hasn't had many scum games.

MP's cycle of frustration and apology, and in fact almost everything about MP, reeks of his town game to me. If he is scum, he has me deeply fooled and I'll congratulate him for playing a very strong scum game. The reasons I've seen for suspecting him have all been things standard to MP's town meta. He is a unique player and I like to wittingly call him 'the suicidal moron' because, when town, he is very good at doing something to make himself look incredibly scummy and end up being lynched for it. Of the people whose meta I know decently well, MP is the only one who I feel very firmly about in terms of their likelihood to be town.


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You - I need to get a better grip on you. I feel like you are very likable and feel like you fit here. You have a very affable personality, in fact the kind of personality that makes me naturally want to town read you. I feel the need to beware of this. I do feel guilty often for lynching people who are new here (regardless of their affiliation) because I want people to feel welcome and stay. Especially nice people. So, I'm trying not to take this into account.

I do think others have raised good points for why you could be bad. I also think there is merit to the idea that, absent of having any communication on day one, if you were a member of mafia I could see why your teammates may have felt comfortable bussing you if they thought you weren't actually going to show up.

In some ways, you feel like a good lynch right now through little fault of your own (other than your relative absence). It does feel like lynching you could create a lot more interesting context to both day one and day two. I am listening to what you have to say, but I'd like to get a much more thorough sense of how you are feeling. As you yourself have said, you have far too many null reads right now for me to have any confidence in you. But, then, you are well behind. I hope you catch up.

My big problem in terms of reading you is... I just don't know you. That makes you hard to read.


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I don't know why Soneji wasn't around for a while - has he answered this? I have found so far that soneji has a unique angle on events and seems to be endeavouring to contribute. I can't put him above 'slight scum' on my radar yet primarily because he doesn't have enough content yet, and what there has been is quite dense so I don't feel like I've developed a strong sense of where he stands.

However, on balance, the content that soneji has provided has good feelz and thinking solely about how he has approached the game when apparently starting from a long way behind, it does make me feel a little good about him.


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Right back at you. How do you feel about Soneji, Marco and myself? Even if its null, what impressions have led you to null?
Thanks for the info! I don't have any knowledge on how people play here except for a few of the ones who followed from MU, so that's useful info. Hmm, I guess that helps my town read a bit, if that's part of his play (I tend to do the same thing haha, so I understand how that can go).

All fair points. I guess if I had to die for the greater good, I wouldn't be opposed necessarily. I'd fight it to the death of course if it actually went forward to happen haha, but ultimately I'm here to find baddies or be a shield for any TPRs that exists (which is kinda hard to do not knowing the setup and which ones are in play), and if my flip clears up some alignments, then I guess that'd be an acceptable sacrifice in the long run. I'll still fight it though, since I want to live! :D

Haha it's usually the opposite - people naturally read me scummy because I have severe chronic foot-in-mouth disease. As someone in MU out it in a recent game, I'm D1 scum mislynch bait because I do a good job of killing my chances of living, which is kinda like you mentioned for MP above. Fortunately I can step up later on since the baddies usually keep me alive under the assumption that they can scapegoat me later while they get rid of bigger threats, so I have that to look forward to if they don't pull the rug out from underneath me!

Let me know what you want me to kind of give to the thread and I'll do my best, I'm admittedly just kinda reading and spectating at the moment because it's a new community, I don't have that good of reads, so I'm kinda skittish (is that the right word?) about speaking up and entering the conversation with nothing new to bring forward except the occasional thought when I'm catching up, so the best way would be to let me know what you want me to bring.


Soneji never answered AFAICR. I don't really have that great of a sense of him because I can't really seem to get into his posts and dissect them. He's a slight Mafia for me because of a gut read, but that's not enough to really push him ATM, which is why I'm focusing on getting more from my nulls to better develop and define them.

Soneji I commented on above a little, if you need more let me know and I'll try to articulate better, but as for right now I'm pretty sure I don't really have mkre thsn that haha. You and Marco I have null specifically because I feel like there isn't a "right" side to your back-and-forth. I've been reading everything both of you have posted, but without any baddies to be able to be able to base interactions off of, I don't see anything either if you are saying as alignment-indicative as this point. If anything, I'd say it's V/V, but I don't think either of you are necessarily wrong in your differing viewpoints. And that definitely doesn't make either of you inherently a goodie or a baddie.

After having some interaction from you in my way though, I feel better abiut your townieness, so I'd move you up to a slight town for the moment, and with that:

VOTE MARCO

I'll move onto the other half, in Marco.

Heyo Marco! I feel like we've not really had much interaction between us, so I'd like to hear from you. Same as I asked Golden, what are your current reads, and what are your thoughts specifically on MP, myself and Soneji? I also am curious about your thoughts on Golden - and I ask the vice-versa to you Golden, what are your current thoughts on Marco?
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:24 am
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I just realized that it was a bad idea to choose Golden to start haha. Please don't maj him while I'm asleep, I want to talk to him.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:23 am
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I'm going to bed now, have some stuff to do in the morning. Quote me or leave me notes if you post something that you want my reaction on, I'll change the vote from Golden most likely, so don't be alarmed that it's staying overnight.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:16 am
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Inawordyes wrote:For the moment, I guess I'll start getting some info from my nulls reads. Since Golden is here, may as well start with him!

VOTE GOLDEN

Heyo Golden! I fully intend to change my vote to someone else, but right now I have you in my larger-than-it-should-be list of null reads, so since you're here right I'd like to have some sort of interaction. Anything you can tell me about your reads and specifically some thoughts on myself, Soneji (who is currently my only Mafia read) and MP (who seems to be a bit shady)?
Ouch, such bad grammar in that opening sentence haha. EBWOP
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:15 am
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Do the moment, I guess I'll start getting some info from mynp nulls reads. Since Gikden is here, may as wel, start with him!

VOTE GOLDEN

Heyo Golden! I fully intend to change my vote to someone else, but right now I have you in my larger-than-it-should-be list of null reads, so since you're here right I'd like to have some sort of interaction. Anything you can tell me about your reads and specifically some thoughts on myself, Soneji (who is currently my only Mafia read) and MP (who seems to be a bit shady)?
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:05 am
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Your read of MovingPictures07 is... polarizing.

Why does he fall as a town read despite shady stuff?
He looks pretty townie aside from it, and I already had too many people in MU null list and I didn't want to put MP there even if he's probably the most applicable for it as defined by "I could see them flipping either way". Obviously the shady stuff affects my townread of him, which is why he's only a lean at the moment.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:59 am
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Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Would you be able to rank your scum reads somehow?

What did you think of my Soneji ISO earlier?
I could, eventually. But I still feel I want to hear more from most of them (since they are all/most pretty quiet). It still feels unsolved to me in a way, if that makes sense. But IAWY is my prefered lynch, and my strongest suspicion.

I was so tired when I read the Soneji-ISO I don't really remember. Sorry. I do appreciate you putting in the work, and I will surely get back to it. Apart from that I've looked into his ISO on my own today to check up on things. I'm not convinced by him, he's a null I'm suspicious of. He could very well be teamed with IAWY if he is indeed scum. I don't feel his push on Sig is very good. Firstly because I feel Sig is a player that would be easy to push on (easy target, for various reasons), and two because the argument doesn't seem all that strong to me and gets a bit repetative. I don't think it makes that much sense for scum!Sig to push on Soneji of all people if Sig is scum. That being said, I don't think it's impossible for Soneji to be town doing all this either. So it's inconclusive atm.
No worries, that's understandable. I feel like we're mind melding the most this phase, so I'm with you on IAWY. It would take some real town spark from IAWY to get me to move that vote, because I have not liked his recent posts (though he seems like a nice fellow). :beer:

Not a problem, let me know what you think when you get to it. Yeah, sig is an easy mislynch (or lynch in general), so I think he's particularly difficult to read. I need to figure him out myself.

Thanks for the elaboration.
Once you read me as Mafia you stop looking at me as town, so commenting that you don't like my recent posts is meaningless except as a tool to convince others to look at me the same way, which is a scummy tactic, or possibly a cop tactic but I don't think you would've been this subtle about a redcheck on me if that was a possibility.
:faint:
Hope, that was not a slip up, don't you dare read it as such.
The whole last part of the sentence just baffles me completely.
Eh, just covering my bases with a bit of tinfoil as I could see him coming out with a fakepeek to get more support for my lynch. I know how stupid that would be, and I don't know MP's meta since I've never played with him to even know if that's something he would do, but that's the point of tinfoil conspiracies! :D
by Inawordyes
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Okay, back to realtime.

Lame excuse, but reading through the thread it kinda feels like I'm an observer more than a player because I was so removed from most of yesterday's events that I don't have much to say in anything really. But let's see if I can get a reads list:

Town:
Zebra
Dizzy
Marco
Zexy

Town lean:
MP (because he's doing some shady stuff but otherwise seems pretty townie)

Null (aka I don't have much of a defined read on them in either direction for various reasons):
Wilgy
Golden
Ika
MM
Psi
sig
Sloonei

Slight Mafia:
Soneji (gut read)

Mafia:
N/A
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I need more info on the nulls, I shouldn't have so many but that's a consequence of being missing for most of the game up to this point and not being able to meaningfully interact with people.
by Inawordyes
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Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Would you be able to rank your scum reads somehow?

What did you think of my Soneji ISO earlier?
I could, eventually. But I still feel I want to hear more from most of them (since they are all/most pretty quiet). It still feels unsolved to me in a way, if that makes sense. But IAWY is my prefered lynch, and my strongest suspicion.

I was so tired when I read the Soneji-ISO I don't really remember. Sorry. I do appreciate you putting in the work, and I will surely get back to it. Apart from that I've looked into his ISO on my own today to check up on things. I'm not convinced by him, he's a null I'm suspicious of. He could very well be teamed with IAWY if he is indeed scum. I don't feel his push on Sig is very good. Firstly because I feel Sig is a player that would be easy to push on (easy target, for various reasons), and two because the argument doesn't seem all that strong to me and gets a bit repetative. I don't think it makes that much sense for scum!Sig to push on Soneji of all people if Sig is scum. That being said, I don't think it's impossible for Soneji to be town doing all this either. So it's inconclusive atm.
No worries, that's understandable. I feel like we're mind melding the most this phase, so I'm with you on IAWY. It would take some real town spark from IAWY to get me to move that vote, because I have not liked his recent posts (though he seems like a nice fellow). :beer:

Not a problem, let me know what you think when you get to it. Yeah, sig is an easy mislynch (or lynch in general), so I think he's particularly difficult to read. I need to figure him out myself.

Thanks for the elaboration.
Once you read me as Mafia you stop looking at me as town, so commenting that you don't like my recent posts is meaningless except as a tool to convince others to look at me the same way, which is a scummy tactic, or possibly a cop tactic but I don't think you would've been this subtle about a redcheck on me if that was a possibility.
:faint:
Hope, that was not a slip up, don't you dare read it as such.
by Inawordyes
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Golden, I agree re: Wilgy and Psi candidates, but it'd be preferable if they could give us more to work with as well. I think as a thread we definitely need to open this conversation in time for d3 though, regardless of what happens d2/n2. Hosting Turf Wars was an eye opener for me with respect to the fact that, as a site in general, we let players who contribute little slide by too often for way too long into games without thoroughly examining them. Regarding what you said about Zexy, that's intriguing; it's how I feel about Dizzy at the moment. Anyway, let's talk more table tomorrow, or feel free to comment as you wish and I can get back to you if you feel we don't need to talk in real time. It's clear I still need to ISO and reevaluate some folks I don't feel I have a good grip on anyway, so that may assist.

IAWY, I'll be sure to read your other responses and consider them thoroughly, I assure you. I'm looking for a strong spark of town from you though to convince me that you shouldn't die tomorrow, so show me and all of us what you got.

Marco, sounds good, I look forward to hearing what you have to say. I don't want to be blinded by meta with respect to Golden, or anyone else for that matter (zebra, Wilgy, and others could apply too), but I am definitely feeling pretty alright with him right now.

I need to be awake in 5 hours tops as I have a very long day tomorrow, and I'll be on campus for a while attending various meetings and what not.

So, a game-relevant warning to all you folks: For the remainder of d2 I can't promise that I will really be present much, if at all really, until sometime in the evening Central time. I should be here for the last couple/few hours before EoD at a minimum though.

Night, fellow players! :offtobed:
What makes you so certain that I won't die today? Are you expecting someone else to be lunched instead of me? Unless you mean tomorrow IRL instead of tomorrow as in the next day phase.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:37 am
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Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
Golden wrote:Here's the thing, zebra. Full seriousness.

I am town, but I'd sooner mislynch you and leave my vote on you than be lynched myself. I'm playing this game for practice for champs. I don't actually care if you go down. I don't actually WHO goes down. I'm going to do my best to try to solve the game and thats all there is to it.

I'll do what I have to do to survive in this game. If that means lynching the people who think I'm bad, even if they are town, then so be it. Means I get longer to practice.

I don't have any teammates to come to my rescue and help. If I do get lynched today, I'll call it a failed endeavour. Certainly, I'll give up, because I don't have time for this shit. I'm playing because JJJ was nice enough to give me a chance to practice, even though I really don't have time for it.
If you don't care about the game itself and just see it as practice, then you're not practicing that well because you're missing a fundamental part of the experience, which is that you have to care at least a little. Surviving to a new day means nothing if you don't care about who's surviving with you, you can't solve the game if you're disinterested in haphazardly taking down goodies in your wake.

Not everybody you think is Mafia is mafia, nor is everybody you think is Town town. If you haphazardly lynch whoever pings your radar without concern for whether they're goodies at the end of it, then you're not learning anything that will help you in the MU games, and from my own experience, I can tell you that you will be called to account for it.

That's my 2¢.
I don't know how you make that cents symbol.

Fair point.
im in my tablet, so I just hold my finger over the $ and it gives me a drop down of alternate money symbols (for some reason it wanted to autocorrect that to soupy boos haha) like the euro, pound, yen, etc. I don't know if there's an easy way to do it on a computer unless you know the Unicode code offhand.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:34 am
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MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey, IAWY, I have plenty of questions for you. You'll see them. Please answer them. :srsnod:

Also, if you want to engage in real time, that'd be great. Let me know. I want to see some reads.
I'm catching up haha, I realized I forgot to include the reads when I answered the questions, but I'm not used to doing "rainbow reads". I'll get to them eventually once I am in realtime!
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:33 am
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Would you be able to rank your scum reads somehow?

What did you think of my Soneji ISO earlier?
I could, eventually. But I still feel I want to hear more from most of them (since they are all/most pretty quiet). It still feels unsolved to me in a way, if that makes sense. But IAWY is my prefered lynch, and my strongest suspicion.

I was so tired when I read the Soneji-ISO I don't really remember. Sorry. I do appreciate you putting in the work, and I will surely get back to it. Apart from that I've looked into his ISO on my own today to check up on things. I'm not convinced by him, he's a null I'm suspicious of. He could very well be teamed with IAWY if he is indeed scum. I don't feel his push on Sig is very good. Firstly because I feel Sig is a player that would be easy to push on (easy target, for various reasons), and two because the argument doesn't seem all that strong to me and gets a bit repetative. I don't think it makes that much sense for scum!Sig to push on Soneji of all people if Sig is scum. That being said, I don't think it's impossible for Soneji to be town doing all this either. So it's inconclusive atm.
No worries, that's understandable. I feel like we're mind melding the most this phase, so I'm with you on IAWY. It would take some real town spark from IAWY to get me to move that vote, because I have not liked his recent posts (though he seems like a nice fellow). :beer:

Not a problem, let me know what you think when you get to it. Yeah, sig is an easy mislynch (or lynch in general), so I think he's particularly difficult to read. I need to figure him out myself.

Thanks for the elaboration.
Once you read me as Mafia you stop looking at me as town, so commenting that you don't like my recent posts is meaningless except as a tool to convince others to look at me the same way, which is a scummy tactic, or possibly a cop tactic but I don't think you would've been this subtle about a redcheck on me if that was a possibility.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:29 am
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Dyslexicon wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:Fair enough, I was going off memory so I knew I'd get at least one thing wrong haha.

I don't know what to make of it. It could be a slip up, but I'm more inclined to just see it as a genuine mistake. Haha I don't know, I don't have a strong reaction to it, sorry.
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Heyo! Wassup?
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:25 am
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Dyslexicon wrote:
Soneji wrote:I've been reading IAWY as scum and sig as his potential teammate for his defense of him. MM I felt fine with at first when doing a quick ISO before the lynch last phase but hes said a few things that have pinged me, which I pointed out earlier:
Do you feel it makes sense for sig to try and get a EOD wagon on you as scum? It may makes sense if it was to save someone like IAWY, I agree, but still seems like a stretch to me. What is the reason you are voting sig over IAWY right now?

It's also not clear to me why you were voting Frog as the first person last day when you say IAWY had already pingen you? Can you elaborate what your thought process was? (I realize there will be hindsight to this, since Frog has already flipped).
I figure Soneji already replied to this, but an extra question I have, if you had scumread me from your first post, as you mentioned, then why not vote for me now when I already have a wagon formed on me? If you're that confident, then theres no reason not to put a vote down on me unless you have hesitations about being on the wagon when I get lynched and flip town. Which I don't see you, as a goodie, being worried about at all.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:20 am
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:An ISO of MP's ISOs This is ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as MP having over 300 posts on Day 1. For the numbers included next to each name, the first one is the number of null posts read, while the second number is the total number of posts observed.

Psittaciform - (2/2) All null post reads, but gives a slight mafia read.

Metalmarsh89 - (6/6) All null post reads, but initially gives a slight mafia read before considering to push it to moderate mafia read.

Long Con - (10/14) 10 null posts, 2 town posts, and 2 scum posts. Ultimately gives Long Con a slight mafia read.

Inawordyes - (10/17) 7 mafia posts (that vary in strength) and the rest null, which result in a moderate mafia read on Inawordyes.

DrWilgy - (15/15) All null posts that result in a null read.

Soneji - (7/9) 7 null post reads and two town post reads, which result in a slight town read.



@Inawordyes: I see what you're saying here. 3 players on this list roughly equate to null reads, but MP gives them slight or moderate mafia reads anyway. He did say in my ISO that he is ignoring null reads. I don't understand that reason for this, especially since he still gave DrWilgy a null read (or more accurately, gave no read). Anyway, if you want to look deeper into the ISOs, the links are here.
It's not even necessarily that I disagree with why he read them null, but going over all their posts and in three cases null-reading all their posts at the time of he ISO but then leaning them either way seems kinda counter-intuitive. I know that he said he was reserving straight-null for Soneji at the start because Soneji was the only NK-shower at the time, but with that many nulls you can't really expect to be able to read them either way without having some sort of slight town and scum basis.

It looks like MP is just posting to post and look like he's contributing. It's not inherently scummy because he's done a lot of other stuff that townish, but it's something to keep an eye on.
And that means what with respect to your read of me?

So do you suspect me or not? This is further suspect, since you're subtly pushing shade on me without committing to anything. I did this to zebra in Star Wars Mafia when I was scum.

I'm feeling even better about IAWY being mafia. Thoughts, others?
I have reason to keep an eye on you now after having talked it over, but I'm not going to hold this one post (or set of posts, in this case) against you because you've been pretty townie otherwise, as I said. I am not currently leaning you baddie, no.
by Inawordyes
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Inawordyes wrote: I didn't like how Soneji entered the thread guns-blazing with an aggressive attitude, I also didn't like how he didn't address my RVS vote at all but used it offhand as a reason to scum read me. I would lean him baddie for that.
By "didn't like" are you meaning that you think its scummy? If so, in what way is it scummy? I didn't address your RVS vote exactly because that is all it was, a random vote based on nothing so nothing to address in it. When did I use your RVS as an offhand reason to scum read you though? My reasoning was based on you wording your posts in such a manner as to seem as inoffensive as possible, saying "its okay if you think I'm scum for this because you're probably going to misunderstand me" or "this theory that I have is probably wrong so don't mind me". The only time I brought up your RVS vote was in relation to speaking about Silver's reasoning for voting you, in which I offered no opinion either way on if it was valid.
It set off tonal alarm bells, I tend to play with gut reads because they're accurate, and I got pinged by your OP but I'm not entirely sure what it was you said that set me off. I could be wrong, of course, but I usually tend to be very accurate when it comes to tonal stuff and it's when I don't listen to my gut that I end up kicking myself because the people I suspected ended up being Mafia like I highly to begin with

I did ask you questions in that post, you could've addressed those. :p I play like that regardless, I don't shy away from what I'm saying, but I do avoid like to avoid conflict, and that's not alignment-indicative.
Another question, this time with respect to Soneji:

You said earlier that you didn't like Soneji's aggression. How can you then follow up by saying you're not entirely sure what it was he said that set you off, if it was the aggression?
That would be a prime example of subconsciously changing small details about my story to suit the narrative I'm trying to tell haha. It's not alignment-indicative, I do it all the time throughout pretty much every game I play. The more concerning portion, which I knew would cause a problem, is the first half, as I can't always quantify my reads and that's very hard to prove to someone that I'm being genuine if I'm giving them nothing, in effect. I did have a reaction to his aggression, but I don't believe, after having thought abiut it, that that's what pinged me. I can't say what did, because I honestly don't know, and that's a cop out excuse haha, but I'm just gonna take it since I don't have any motivation to dig myself into a lie there.
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:12 am
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
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Inawordyes wrote:Okay, sorry! Sorry sorry sorry. This is game relevant, but I'll put it in OT anyways; I was super tired and fell asleep Saturday night while I was catching up, hence why I just randomly disappeared abruptly, and I fully intended to be here yesterday, but some things came up unexpectedly unexpectedly after I started catching up in the morning, and I ended up being tied up all day and didn't get a chance to check the site until after EoD. But I'm here now, so hopefully I'll be fine.

I caught up with the rest of the day last night post-EoD but I'm not gonna go back and relook over then at the moment because I went to bed with a headache and woke up with a bloody nose, so I'm just not feeling like it haha, so again, if anybody has any specific points or quotes they want my thoughts on, quote 'em forward!

Current thoughts I have from memory: I don't like Frog's insistence on knowing my meta. Haha yes, this is another meta comment, but seriously, I don't step up as a leader when I'm a goodie on any other site other than MU because MU is so different than sites that I usually play on. Case on point is this MM game that I played that just finished this week:

http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=4037

I don't have that big of a thread presence except where it's necessary to avoid being wrongfully suspected and lunched for it, I.e. in any MU game. So I feel like, while I understand why he mentioned it because that's the only experience he has with me, it's unfair to hold me to my MU meta when I only use that meta on MU because MU is vastly sifferent than what we play here or at MM. And repeating it so often led to other people getting into the mindset that that's how I play, and without being anle to be here to correct him, I'm just kinda invariably damaged goods coming into D2 haha, because that's the perception of me now. :shrug:

I understand, along those lines, why the IAWY wagon formed, but I do not like how it formed, and how it stayed. A CFD three hours before EoD on an MIA player just seems like going for low-hanging fruit, which is the strategy that Frog advocated for and it got him lynched, in the biggest of ironies haha. So that's pretty dumb haha.

Has anyone noticed that in MP's ISO reads, he's just reading posts null after null after null? I don't understand how he's getting town and Mafia leans when he's not reading all the posts he quoting either way. I understand why he'd scumread me for cultural differences - which he expressed that he knew from pregame stuff is my personality anyways - but it seems like he's being a little heavy-handed in keeping the read. I do think he's on the right side of the numbers, but if he keeps on me like that, he's gonna drop spots fast.

I didn't like how Soneji entered the thread guns-blazing with an aggressive attitude, I also didn't like how he didn't address my RVS vote at all but used it offhand as a reason to scum read me. I would lean him baddie for that.

I don't understand the backlash on Zebra and the wagon that formed on him for self-voting, that was kinda weird, and then IIRC (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going from memory) all his voters went from him, to MP, to me.

That's what I got at the moment, quote forward relevant issues or points that were directed at me since I know where we're quite a few of them, and I'll do my best to answer them.
Hey there, IAWY! A few questions for you:

Whom would you have voted for? You failed to mention this.

If you disagree with any of the overall reads on any of my ISOs, or any of the post reads, then why don't you show me which ones and why? Further, I should note that I started ISOs with the lowest posters first, then ascending, and that these players generally had the least content by far. What you're doing instead here is making a sweeping generalization of my methods in an attempt to discredit me, which rings disingenuous. If you're town, please instead show me what portions of my ISOs you disagree with and why, because I more than welcome the input.

Why? Is this just a NO U (OMGUS)? Why would Soneji's aggressive entrance be scum-indicative; what's the motive?

Further, would you be willing to provide a reads list?
Looking over this again, I have one additional question, IAWY:

Seems you've also said I didn't read all of the posts I ISOed, per the highlighted content. How would you come to that conclusion? I read every post. What gave you the impression that I didn't?
Ooh, sorry, that's my fault. I missed the intent there - I meant that you were reading the players either particular way, not posts themselves I was wondering more so why you were saying null, null, null, and then ending up with a Mafia lean when all the nulls weren't conducive to justifiably providing one.

Calling me out for supposed hypocrisy in questioning your ISO's when I hadn't posted much for reasons I already explained more than once through both days up to this point, so you know better is an slippery slope to be walking, because saying I have no room to talk because you did something that I didn't doesn't make you right and it doesn't make me wrong,
by Inawordyes
Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:07 am
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MovingPictures07 wrote:
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Inawordyes wrote:Okay, sorry! Sorry sorry sorry. This is game relevant, but I'll put it in OT anyways; I was super tired and fell asleep Saturday night while I was catching up, hence why I just randomly disappeared abruptly, and I fully intended to be here yesterday, but some things came up unexpectedly unexpectedly after I started catching up in the morning, and I ended up being tied up all day and didn't get a chance to check the site until after EoD. But I'm here now, so hopefully I'll be fine.

I caught up with the rest of the day last night post-EoD but I'm not gonna go back and relook over then at the moment because I went to bed with a headache and woke up with a bloody nose, so I'm just not feeling like it haha, so again, if anybody has any specific points or quotes they want my thoughts on, quote 'em forward!

Current thoughts I have from memory: I don't like Frog's insistence on knowing my meta. Haha yes, this is another meta comment, but seriously, I don't step up as a leader when I'm a goodie on any other site other than MU because MU is so different than sites that I usually play on. Case on point is this MM game that I played that just finished this week:

http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=4037

I don't have that big of a thread presence except where it's necessary to avoid being wrongfully suspected and lunched for it, I.e. in any MU game. So I feel like, while I understand why he mentioned it because that's the only experience he has with me, it's unfair to hold me to my MU meta when I only use that meta on MU because MU is vastly sifferent than what we play here or at MM. And repeating it so often led to other people getting into the mindset that that's how I play, and without being anle to be here to correct him, I'm just kinda invariably damaged goods coming into D2 haha, because that's the perception of me now. :shrug:

I understand, along those lines, why the IAWY wagon formed, but I do not like how it formed, and how it stayed. A CFD three hours before EoD on an MIA player just seems like going for low-hanging fruit, which is the strategy that Frog advocated for and it got him lynched, in the biggest of ironies haha. So that's pretty dumb haha.

Has anyone noticed that in MP's ISO reads, he's just reading posts null after null after null? I don't understand how he's getting town and Mafia leans when he's not reading all the posts he quoting either way. I understand why he'd scumread me for cultural differences - which he expressed that he knew from pregame stuff is my personality anyways - but it seems like he's being a little heavy-handed in keeping the read. I do think he's on the right side of the numbers, but if he keeps on me like that, he's gonna drop spots fast.

I didn't like how Soneji entered the thread guns-blazing with an aggressive attitude, I also didn't like how he didn't address my RVS vote at all but used it offhand as a reason to scum read me. I would lean him baddie for that.

I don't understand the backlash on Zebra and the wagon that formed on him for self-voting, that was kinda weird, and then IIRC (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going from memory) all his voters went from him, to MP, to me.

That's what I got at the moment, quote forward relevant issues or points that were directed at me since I know where we're quite a few of them, and I'll do my best to answer them.
Hey there, IAWY! A few questions for you:

Whom would you have voted for? You failed to mention this.

If you disagree with any of the overall reads on any of my ISOs, or any of the post reads, then why don't you show me which ones and why? Further, I should note that I started ISOs with the lowest posters first, then ascending, and that these players generally had the least content by far. What you're doing instead here is making a sweeping generalization of my methods in an attempt to discredit me, which rings disingenuous. If you're town, please instead show me what portions of my ISOs you disagree with and why, because I more than welcome the input.

Why? Is this just a NO U (OMGUS)? Why would Soneji's aggressive entrance be scum-indicative; what's the motive?

Further, would you be willing to provide a reads list?
Heyo MP!

I probably would've voted for Frog, honestly. I knew the drunkenness was coming reading through the thread, because he did the same thing in the MU Mateix12 game we just played and I also lynched him there, so it didn't really phase me. However, before all that I did not like that at every turn he claimed he wouldn't vote me but then he'd continually make reference to how I wasn't playing to my MU town meta, which out a target on my back unnecessarily because he mentioned it so much, and then at EoD he voted for me anyways, though I understand why being that it was for self-preservation.

I never said I disagreed, I found it curious that for so many null posts, you were still leaning people town or Mafia without much in your posts to say as to why. I went over this in another post later on from this, which I'm sure by now you'll already have seen, so take it up with me if you're dissatisfied with it.

I went over this a bit too, I got a gut reaction to it that there was something off and I didn't like it. That's nothing to write home about, so I'm not pushing for Sloonei ATM because I know that a gut read is not enough to say he's Mafia. But I am keeping an eye on him because I haven't shaken the feeling.
by Inawordyes
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Dyslexicon wrote:Almost caught up, but not entirely. But I'm tired of reading, and need to get thoughts out. My reads have flipped quite a bit.

First,
Thoughts on Ika

Ika seems sure that IAWY will flip scum to the absurd. I believe it is entirely possible for Ika to be bussing IAWY here.
ika wrote:whata bout it? if MP is scum voting scum its win-win
^About MP voting IAWY. Assuming IAWY is scum.
ika wrote:hes lurking and sevral who know him say thats scum MO?
Who here has said that? I don't recall this.
ika wrote:so the bet is this, if hes scum i get your vote, if hes town you have my vote

deal?

(yes im being like this intentionally, i want to see more from you as well)
ika wrote:i consider hers 10 times more right now cus she is a confirmed town flip. not only that but she was killed. porbally for her reads.
Lol, you never ever doubted that she was town, so this seems disingenuous.


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Sig is soft defending IAWY quite a bit.
sig wrote:I could also see MM being mafia even if inaword does flip, which is why he didn't vote for him and tried to move it away from inaword a bit.
^One example.

However, there are some good things about Sig too. I like how he defends Frog. He doesn't quite fit the scum team picture I'm starting to get, but still unsure.

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Golden has me pretty convinced he is town. Zebra is likely town too (?), but she irks me lol (all within the game of course^^)

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I'm very interested to see IAWY flip and think it would clear up a lot. None of his posts has impressed me today.

VOTE INAWORDYES

For now.
The "scum MO" comment is a misappropriation of the facts. Frog kept talking about me being super active a town on MU, so ika's trying to turn it around and say that because I wasn't active becayse I couldn't access the site either day due to being extremely busy that it makes me Mafia. It's a fallacy, I don't remember the name offhand, and it's poor reasoning.
by Inawordyes
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Dyslexicon wrote:Who is going to keep me sane this game? :confused2:
Kittens. Always kittens.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:47 pm
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Golden wrote:Here's the thing, zebra. Full seriousness.

I am town, but I'd sooner mislynch you and leave my vote on you than be lynched myself. I'm playing this game for practice for champs. I don't actually care if you go down. I don't actually WHO goes down. I'm going to do my best to try to solve the game and thats all there is to it.

I'll do what I have to do to survive in this game. If that means lynching the people who think I'm bad, even if they are town, then so be it. Means I get longer to practice.

I don't have any teammates to come to my rescue and help. If I do get lynched today, I'll call it a failed endeavour. Certainly, I'll give up, because I don't have time for this shit. I'm playing because JJJ was nice enough to give me a chance to practice, even though I really don't have time for it.
If you don't care about the game itself and just see it as practice, then you're not practicing that well because you're missing a fundamental part of the experience, which is that you have to care at least a little. Surviving to a new day means nothing if you don't care about who's surviving with you, you can't solve the game if you're disinterested in haphazardly taking down goodies in your wake.

Not everybody you think is Mafia is mafia, nor is everybody you think is Town town. If you haphazardly lynch whoever pings your radar without concern for whether they're goodies at the end of it, then you're not learning anything that will help you in the MU games, and from my own experience, I can tell you that you will be called to account for it.

That's my 2¢.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:39 pm
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Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Golden wrote:After MM's case, sloonei.

After sloonei jumped off the Frog vote, sloonei.

It's not that hard to follow.
:faint:

:haha:

You're sure it wasn't the extra work he put in after his initial case? Because we agreed that his initial case was rubbish, remember?
:rolleyes:
Haha, well she's got you there Golden.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:32 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote:IAWY, The wagon on Zebra didn't happen after she self voted, it happened before. And then she self-voted and the votes went elsewhere (many to you). Someone that isn't lazy can do a pretty chart or something.

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Would like thoughts on this conversation:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Frog wrote:meh, I don't really care tbh. at least one town is voting me. L2P scrubs.

GLGL - hopefully you'll vote marshmellow tomorrow
Even if all the scum was voting for you, there'd still be two civs on you right now. :P
Does MM do fake town slips as scum?
This isn't a townslip regardless of my alignment.
Isn't there 4 scum?
Oh, I thought there were 3. :blush:

Please help me tonight.
Fair enough, I was going off memory so I knew I'd get at least one thing wrong haha.

I don't know what to make of it. It could be a slip up, but I'm more inclined to just see it as a genuine mistake. Haha I don't know, I don't have a strong reaction to it, sorry.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:24 pm
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:An ISO of MP's ISOs This is ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as MP having over 300 posts on Day 1. For the numbers included next to each name, the first one is the number of null posts read, while the second number is the total number of posts observed.

Psittaciform - (2/2) All null post reads, but gives a slight mafia read.

Metalmarsh89 - (6/6) All null post reads, but initially gives a slight mafia read before considering to push it to moderate mafia read.

Long Con - (10/14) 10 null posts, 2 town posts, and 2 scum posts. Ultimately gives Long Con a slight mafia read.

Inawordyes - (10/17) 7 mafia posts (that vary in strength) and the rest null, which result in a moderate mafia read on Inawordyes.

DrWilgy - (15/15) All null posts that result in a null read.

Soneji - (7/9) 7 null post reads and two town post reads, which result in a slight town read.



@Inawordyes: I see what you're saying here. 3 players on this list roughly equate to null reads, but MP gives them slight or moderate mafia reads anyway. He did say in my ISO that he is ignoring null reads. I don't understand that reason for this, especially since he still gave DrWilgy a null read (or more accurately, gave no read). Anyway, if you want to look deeper into the ISOs, the links are here.
It's not even necessarily that I disagree with why he read them null, but going over all their posts and in three cases null-reading all their posts at the time of he ISO but then leaning them either way seems kinda counter-intuitive. I know that he said he was reserving straight-null for Soneji at the start because Soneji was the only NK-shower at the time, but with that many nulls you can't really expect to be able to read them either way without having some sort of slight town and scum basis.

It looks like MP is just posting to post and look like he's contributing. It's not inherently scummy because he's done a lot of other stuff that townish, but it's something to keep an eye on.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:20 pm
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Golden wrote:VOTE INAWORDYES

That's just a starting point before catching up.
Fair enough, there's not much to catch up on though because with Frog gone we've reached standard levels of posting haha. :p Where are you at in your catching up? If you have caught up, do you intend on keeping this vote, or would it better be served elsewhere after seeing how I've responded?
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:17 pm
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Soneji wrote:
Inawordyes wrote: I didn't like how Soneji entered the thread guns-blazing with an aggressive attitude, I also didn't like how he didn't address my RVS vote at all but used it offhand as a reason to scum read me. I would lean him baddie for that.
By "didn't like" are you meaning that you think its scummy? If so, in what way is it scummy? I didn't address your RVS vote exactly because that is all it was, a random vote based on nothing so nothing to address in it. When did I use your RVS as an offhand reason to scum read you though? My reasoning was based on you wording your posts in such a manner as to seem as inoffensive as possible, saying "its okay if you think I'm scum for this because you're probably going to misunderstand me" or "this theory that I have is probably wrong so don't mind me". The only time I brought up your RVS vote was in relation to speaking about Silver's reasoning for voting you, in which I offered no opinion either way on if it was valid.
It set off tonal alarm bells, I tend to play with gut reads because they're accurate, and I got pinged by your OP but I'm not entirely sure what it was you said that set me off. I could be wrong, of course, but I usually tend to be very accurate when it comes to tonal stuff and it's when I don't listen to my gut that I end up kicking myself because the people I suspected ended up being Mafia like I highly to begin with

I did ask you questions in that post, you could've addressed those. :p I play like that regardless, I don't shy away from what I'm saying, but I do avoid like to avoid conflict, and that's not alignment-indicative.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:22 pm
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Inawordyes wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Inawordyes used the word unexpectedly twice in a row. :eye:
No need to be pedantic. :p I didn't realize I did that, sorry!
Is that your only response to my post, though? IIRC you were one of the people who was most on my case for being inactive, which kinda makes me suspicious that you're not more into calling out points I made.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:10 pm
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:Inawordyes used the word unexpectedly twice in a row. :eye:
No need to be pedantic. :p I didn't realize I did that, sorry!
by Inawordyes
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Okay, game references for my meta purposes, I'll go multi-factional across my history to get a broad spectrum of possibilities. I won't give away factions so you can see how week you read me.

The one I linked to above is Slick's Kitchen Mafia 4.
Spoiler: show
Fast Food Wars IV
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=3971

Anime Girl Sleeper Mafia (my alignment in this one is tricky, that's all I'll say because it caused a lot of drama behind the scenes)
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=3891

Pacific Rim Mafia
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=3834

Disney Descendants Mafia
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=3879

Frozen Mafia and Frozen 2 Mafia
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=3111
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=3241

Mafia All-Stars 3.1 (I didn't eve be remember my role in this one haha)
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=2604

Farmer's Mafia (this game is why my signature says what it does. That gives away some of the umph, but watch my progression to understand why)
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=2591

Sesame Street Mafia
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=2220

Princess Ida Mafia
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=2033

Final Fantasy Battle II
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=2006

Fast Food Wars and Fast Food Wars II
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=1950
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=1978

Furball 2 Mafia (This was my "turning point" game, where I bstarted becoming the player I'm known for today. I received an MVP for my efforts)
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=1904

The Customer is Always Wrong II (I received an MVP in this game)
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=1920

The Lost Case of Sherlock Holmes (my second game, I won't link my first because I was just awful haha; gives some insight into how I started way back when)
http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=1146
Since that's a lot to read through haha, I suggest my two MVP games (Furball II and TCIAW II), Farmer's Mafia, at least Frozen Mafia 1, Final Fantasy Battle 2, Pacific Rim, and Slick's Kitchen Mafia 4 from my first post. That should give you a good spread of timelines and factions, should you wish to do the reading. This is how I normally play, it's not my adapted MU style, so it's more reflective of how I play in general anywhere else and I
How I'll be here.
by Inawordyes
Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:41 pm
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Okay, sorry! Sorry sorry sorry. This is game relevant, but I'll put it in OT anyways; I was super tired and fell asleep Saturday night while I was catching up, hence why I just randomly disappeared abruptly, and I fully intended to be here yesterday, but some things came up unexpectedly unexpectedly after I started catching up in the morning, and I ended up being tied up all day and didn't get a chance to check the site until after EoD. But I'm here now, so hopefully I'll be fine.

I caught up with the rest of the day last night post-EoD but I'm not gonna go back and relook over then at the moment because I went to bed with a headache and woke up with a bloody nose, so I'm just not feeling like it haha, so again, if anybody has any specific points or quotes they want my thoughts on, quote 'em forward!

Current thoughts I have from memory: I don't like Frog's insistence on knowing my meta. Haha yes, this is another meta comment, but seriously, I don't step up as a leader when I'm a goodie on any other site other than MU because MU is so different than sites that I usually play on. Case on point is this MM game that I played that just finished this week:

http://mafiamaniac.net/index.php?showtopic=4037

I don't have that big of a thread presence except where it's necessary to avoid being wrongfully suspected and lunched for it, I.e. in any MU game. So I feel like, while I understand why he mentioned it because that's the only experience he has with me, it's unfair to hold me to my MU meta when I only use that meta on MU because MU is vastly sifferent than what we play here or at MM. And repeating it so often led to other people getting into the mindset that that's how I play, and without being anle to be here to correct him, I'm just kinda invariably damaged goods coming into D2 haha, because that's the perception of me now. :shrug:

I understand, along those lines, why the IAWY wagon formed, but I do not like how it formed, and how it stayed. A CFD three hours before EoD on an MIA player just seems like going for low-hanging fruit, which is the strategy that Frog advocated for and it got him lynched, in the biggest of ironies haha. So that's pretty dumb haha.

Has anyone noticed that in MP's ISO reads, he's just reading posts null after null after null? I don't understand how he's getting town and Mafia leans when he's not reading all the posts he quoting either way. I understand why he'd scumread me for cultural differences - which he expressed that he knew from pregame stuff is my personality anyways - but it seems like he's being a little heavy-handed in keeping the read. I do think he's on the right side of the numbers, but if he keeps on me like that, he's gonna drop spots fast.

I didn't like how Soneji entered the thread guns-blazing with an aggressive attitude, I also didn't like how he didn't address my RVS vote at all but used it offhand as a reason to scum read me. I would lean him baddie for that.

I don't understand the backlash on Zebra and the wagon that formed on him for self-voting, that was kinda weird, and then IIRC (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going from memory) all his voters went from him, to MP, to me.

That's what I got at the moment, quote forward relevant issues or points that were directed at me since I know where we're quite a few of them, and I'll do my best to answer them.
by Inawordyes
Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:17 am
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Zexy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Zexy, I have the following questions and comments regarding this reads list of yours:
1) What good points has Golden brought up?
2) How does the method by which Marco post make his activity faked? What do you think of the content of his "one-liners"? I find the fact that you are considering the method rather than the content of his activity as the basis of your read suspect.
3) What's the strange cover you are referring to with respect to IAWY? I can't recall off the top of my head after doing all that reading.

Thanks, Zexy! You're the best for dealing with all of my questions, assuming you continue to do so.

Also, what is slank cover, anyone?
1 The entire reasoning behind his reads on Sloonei, Sig, Marco. Even myself, I could see why he scumread me for a while, and why he changed his mind after we interacted. His points on Silverwolf’s behavior were good, and again he changed his mind after learning more about her.
2 I believed the content of his one-liners was just there so he would look active. Although he’s overly analytical now and I can see where he’s coming from. Will have to ISO him to put those posts in a townier perspective.
3) Slank cover = people announcing they will be inactive before the game or shortly after the game begins. IAWY’s slank cover is a bit strange, he’s talking about some new philosophy he will play the game by…

Psitacci’s activity is so low it’s suspicious. I mean, he’s inactive when town. But VERY inactive when scum.

I’d like to see a rainbow list from MARCO at some point. He said he doesn’t do them… but tbh I see no reason any townie ever wouldn’t like to do them.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Marco wrote:
Zexy wrote:Marco 43 – Too many one-liners, kinda “fake” activity if you ask me. Not feeling too good about him yet.
What do people think about this? I ISO'd myself and I can sort of see some one-liners, but I can't really see how Zexy is calling my activity fake. She feels disingenuous IMO. I have had other reasons to suspect Zexy, too, but it could be that it's OMGUS-motivated, so I request others to ISO me and tell me what they think about Zexy's read on me.
I commented on this already, but I wanted to emphasize it, because it's currently one of the strongest points against Zexy being town in my opinion. This could be a way for a mafia Zexy to fabricate a suspicion, but the train of thought is flawed (criticizing your method of posting rather than your content).
Methods of posting can be towny or scummy irregardless of the content itself. Ever heard of tone reading? I can see your point here, but scum!me wouldn’t drop the scum lean on Marco this soon.

12 is read.
Nah, not "new philosophy", to adapt to MU's games I had to serious alter how I play. I got burnt out and now I'm hoping I can go back to my roots, where admittedly I'm a lurker haha, and just kinda take it easy in this game. I was legitimately busy and gone all day, though.
by Inawordyes
Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:11 am
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ika wrote:If this is how the game is going to be played i am probablly just going to replace out and not sign up anymore.

It's not fun it's just manipulating mechanics
To an extent I'd have to agree. I wanna be able to sit back and find Mafia and just play the game for fun. Trying to find and create an optimal strategy and exploiting it isn't really that fun, it's taking the fun out of playing the game and ending it quickly for the sake of winning.

It's a good idea, don't get me wrong, I guess I'm just kinda burnt out from all of that after playing Disney Princesses (another pre-championship Matrix 12 game on MU).

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