The Syndicate

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:10 pm Dizzys SR on us feels real and I feel like its towny

I really think it's just Golden. Golden is not pushing a scumread today, he is just defending himself

To answer some points @Dyslexicon

1) We were passive about SVS because I was scared. I lacked confidence and I didnt want to be controlling. I was hoping you guys see something that I dont. Sheep was the one who wrote that post you quoted, not me. After I saw the Scotty flip I felt vindicated in going Kim Jong Un on your asses the next day

2) It is disingenuous to keep saying my PoE was bad. Every single player's PoE was and is bad, considering our situation here, where we can't find the last wolf (or wolves). Yours included, as I know I'm town.

@Sloonei really need your input asap. Since you're the clear, I suggested to my hydra that we just sheep you. Let me know if theres anything we can do in terms of catching you up

-t

I'm acknowledging this. But if town decided to have a collective brain fart and chop Scotty over SVS, that would definitely give you fuel to go Kim Jong Un on our asses as mafia. Especially if you knew how bad it really was. Also, it's not that the PoE was bad, it's how the game state felt to me.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:07 pm What if ... hear me out

Mod squad kills on every even night. They killed Alison N2. They killed Neon N4.

What if Mafia didn't kill anyone N4. Because they failed their soup on D4, and that was their punishment. And the earliest possible kill they could make is on N5. And it was on Rondo - so he can't rescind his faulty green peek on mafia Sloonei

-t

That's a lot of assumptions. If Rondo faked a peek on Sloonei, we probably just lose to that. Like, what can you do about that. I know Rondo can be unpredictable and all that, but I don't think he would do that. Especially considering how much time he spent talking about the Wilgy/Sloonei pairing.

Golden on SVS D4 and D5

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:40 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:40 pm I'm voting Guillo to get offed tonight. I think we don't have as much time to clear the PoE after the soup kills. I also really want to flip town on Guillo's hands.

Please kill Scotty, even if his posts "looks good". Rondo could be lost wolf.

Don't ever kill Porscha.
Should we just elim scotty right now instead of svs?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:54 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Wtf. This is a terrible idea but I’m doing it anyway and if scotty is a wolf it’ll feel genius.

@S~V~S do you want an extra day to try to get your feet under you or do you want to go?

This is just so obvious and overt. I haven't played that many games with Golden, but I don't think he does this with a wolf mate. Is that crazy?

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:26 pm Also, SVS doesn’t need to be resolved first.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:30 pm The Scotty counterwagon was my idea. I wanted to see what happened when people were confronted with an opportunity to jump off the easy wagon on to a different one.

I think it behooves wolves to keep svs on the table so they’ll do exactly what sig just proposed and say that today we should resolve the 3p instead of wolf hunting. I disagree (except if people are suggesting svs is wolf and lied, that I’m open to).

Falcon, ender and dizzy were the other names on scotty whi were already in my PoE. I’ll be surprised if there’s no wolves there.

I probably should have jumped back on svs just before pill closed but I didn’t for personal reasons… I felt bad about the idea of asking her if she wanted another day then going back on that.

Continuing on D5, he continues to argue against shooting SVS. Also the last line about wanting to save SVS for personal reasons looks not teamed to me.

It's an extremely ballsy play if mafia. I don't really see it. I think Golden is just in the clear for me.

@Porscha Do you know why you didn't vote the day Scotty was chopped?

Also, I think PC said mafia would have role cop. But role cop and soup kill is extremely OP. Unless soup works in a completely different way for some reason. But all of these things are just assumptions anyway, and I'd rather not solve on assumptions.

I'm coming back to PC in my mind. I want to hear what Sloonei thinks.

Honestly, I haven't done any due diligence things, because I don't have the time right now. I will be more around tomorrow night.

I think it should be obvious that I'm town, but I see that it doesn't seem that way. I feel like people have to jump through loopholes to make it fit that I'm wolf. And me being a good wolf doesn't change that and it doesn't make me any less town.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:01 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS
This post has been bothering me a lot, especially coupled with the idea that wolves had to have been on the Scotty wagon. Because what we do know is that town was on the Scotty wagon. I think Golden voting Scotty and suggesting for people to do it is actually towny and not wolfy. However, staying on SVS but in a passive way is wolfy. It reminds me a lot of whatever season of MU champs when Katze won. Alexa was arguing for chopping Katze (her wolf buddy), but in such a passive way. It was only to look good later, while it shone through that she didn't really want to chop Katze. This gives me the same feeling. And PC was making troll posts outside of this, and even tagged SVS in one of those troll posts. Also, the way PC explained their Scotty town read felt tmi to me.

This is the thing that was bogging me the most when trying to sleep last night, and it still is. And I'm worried that if PC is wolf, we only have today to get it.

In addition, they were pushing a really bad PoE last day phase, really hard. And when they met some backlash it was all "Ok, you're town", but then later continued to push a bad PoE. It's not just that the PoE was wrong, but it's how it felt in thread.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS

This post has been bothering me a lot, especially coupled with the idea that wolves had to have been on the Scotty wagon. Because what we do know is that town was on the Scotty wagon. I think Golden voting Scotty and suggesting for people to do it is actually towny and not wolfy. However, staying on SVS but in a passive way is wolfy. It reminds me a lot of whatever season of MU champs when Katze won. Alexa was arguing for chopping Katze (her wolf buddy), but in such a passive way. It was only to look good later, while it shone through that she didn't really want to chop Katze. This gives me the same feeling. And PC was making troll posts outside of this, and even tagged SVS in one of those troll posts. Also, the way PC explained their Scotty town read felt tmi to me.

This is the thing that was bogging me the most when trying to sleep last night, and it still is. And I'm worried that if PC is wolf, we only have today to get it.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:26 am I'm sure dizzy will come back in here later and sweet talk me into second guessing myself but... they kinda make the most sense to me

The last wolf cant be caught on spew or general gameplay decisions very much... but did dizzy vote scotty over svs with you golden? Were you the only 2 remaining players who did that?

I can't sweet talk anymore than I have tbh. If I'm not able to be found as town here now, there's nothing more I can say. Kudos to whoever is wolf for people to even consider it

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:53 am But it could be American soup?

Why would you assume that as a role? None of the flipped wolves has had a role like that, but town has. This is making up special cases just to force me into fitting being wolf

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:52 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:49 am *sigh* idk why my abilities never seemed to reach their targets but like idk who to go here if it isnt dizzy
Dizzy could have just killed ender to be able to claim vt as the shot especially if rondo was killed outside of mafias hands
I do think from the perspective of t!you it can only make sense it’s dizzy or possibly me.

Kate was really convinced it was dizzy, and I could see some of her points as we talked about it. She’d screenshot dizzy posts and we’d talk about them. She also nailed marmot after I lost faith and she never stopped seeing svs as bad, so I think her instincts were good this game.

Kate doesn't know me. I wish she had talked to me about this tbh.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:49 am *sigh* idk why my abilities never seemed to reach their targets but like idk who to go here if it isnt dizzy
Dizzy could have just killed ender to be able to claim vt as the shot especially if rondo was killed outside of mafias hands

How would I know all of that would happen though? Like, you all need me to have some psychic powers for me to be wolf here. It's just absurd to me

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:47 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:35 am Alright btw does anyone still suspect pc
It’s broken af to have the hydra in wolfchat.

And I believe then when they talk about their back and forth neighbourhood chat.

I think those are good reasons for the tr personally.

I don't think it is. Also, PC can easily be lost wolf, and OP implies lost wolf

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:38 am
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:46 am Porscha's claim is by far the worst which weirdly means it's ... the towniest? Is that a dangerous read to make?

-t
Yes. It’s either dizzy or Porscha and if you let Porscha push you off with mechanics that’s a problem.

We need a you/me/sloon consensus both days here.

Why do you think it's not PC?

If it's PC and they're telling the truth, we need two rounds to get rid of them

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:32 amOh no. I do have a godlike superstar unreal fabulous solo hero wolf reputation.

I’d say I’m the only one who says my wolf range is as narrow as it is. I think it’s easy to make your wolf range feel large with a few basic high-percentage wolf strategies.

I compare dizzy to me precisely for this reason. I think their wolf game is amazing, I think they can fool me. But their game is absent some of those high-percentage strategies.

I could be on board with it being dizzy. I don’t think it is the clearly correct solution though. I do hope I have more time for proper analysis tomorrow.

This resonates with me. Golden's whole deal with SVS and the Scotty wagon is towny and not wolfy imo. Lol me if I'm wrong, but that's how I feel

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:35 am Alright btw does anyone still suspect pc

Yeah, I'm coming back to this all the time

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:46 am Porscha's claim is by far the worst which weirdly means it's ... the towniest? Is that a dangerous read to make?

-t

I don't understand Porscha's claim tbh. She gives out gifts as well, but nobody has mentioned it? @Porscha have you eluded to it in thread?

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:23 am Dizzy carried in a wolf game with me earlier this year lol like our 3rd teammate got mod killed day 1 and I was caught by day 2 and dizzy won so yeah

Yeah, and I straight up bussed both of you hard and coasted on that. I didn't have any mech clearing me. That's way different, or do you feel like it's the same?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:20 am With respect to Porscha and Golden, multiple people (maybe yourselves included) perceive your wolf range as a lot smaller than your town range

As in, you are not known for being godlike superstar unreal fabulous solo hero wolves

Dizzy is absolutely known for that. His wolf range is infinite, as in, it goes as far as his town range, imo

If Dizzy is mafia, I can't really dismantle his claim and his softs. But if anyone here is capable of fooling everyone so much, I think Dizzy is the only one capable

-t

That's absurd. Nobody has an "infinite" wolf range. The traces of fur should be in this thread somewhere, it's just hard to see.

Yeah, I have an excellent wolf game. But I'm not a fucking magician. I've proved my role, and it checks out, so maybe it's just the truth. I also don't think I've been wolfy at all. Going Scotty over SVS is not something I do as mafia ever. She was outed as non-town, it was a dumb play, but it was a town play. For example. Also, I did not offer myself to be killed by Guillo for fun, and no, it was not "anti-town" imo. I saw that we would never win the game if Guillo was town, and I believed him to be town. Like, what's my plan here as mafia? And this is what I was afraid of. I should be, for all intent and purposes, confirmed as town. Yet here we are.

You have an excellent wolf game yourself btw. Obviously, whoever is mafia has an excellent wolf game.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:16 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:15 am I also dont know why youd assume I should have been the obvious kill last night
Ender had a strong role
I cant think of a great reason for rondo dying tho
You were the consensus town. Golden was after Ender, we started tinfoiling Ender too

Nobody was scumreading Porscha

And yes Rondo being the NK is absurd

It might be Dizzy

-t

Both Rondo and Ender had Porscha in their PoE as far as I can recall.

The only reason I can think of for a Rondo kill is that he claimed investigative with results, and it may have spooked mafia. Or some sort of weird logic wifom play. We can't know why Rondo was killed before the game is over though.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:12 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:28 pm I feel like Porscha and Golden can't be mafia still.
Tell me why YOU feel Porscha can’t be.

I've never seen Porscha be this active or make it far as mafia. She's pretty polarized as a player. However, I'm questioning everything right now. If she's a lost wolf who isn't informed, it's very possible she just plays as if she's town and that's why she looks town to me. Or she has a better wolf range than I give her credit for.

Or it's one wolf and it's lost wolf and that is why this feels weird. I wonder if Porscha could play the game like she has as lost wolf if she didn't know her teammates.

But I want to say it just has to be PC still. But I don't feel great about that at all.

But I don't think it's Golden

I guess it could be Golden, but that would be maybe the best mafia performance I think I've ever seen. His claim is a point in his favour too. Him not getting souped is not, but he had an answer to that which I believed at the time. I do think he defended SVS later in the game, so I'll look over that.

I also need to do due diligence.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:48 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:48 pm This is the exact reason I didn't want to be alive at end game. I've proven my claim and I'm as transparently town as I can ever be. If that is not enough, nothing but flipping me will be enough.
please stop lol we're just doing our due diligence

Alight.

I'm very tired. I need to sleep now. I have a busy weekend and I don't know the solution to this game.

This is the exact reason I didn't want to be alive at end game. I've proven my claim and I'm as transparently town as I can ever be. If that is not enough, nothing but flipping me will be enough.

So if you don't believe it because "galaxy brain", then you must also believe I'm psychic.

Here's some of the times I've softed my role or it shines through.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:24 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:39 am
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:26 am i am vanilla town with an ability
An ability outside of the thread? Is that what you are talking about?
I was going to say something about this, but I better not.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 1:54 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:02 pmIm your CC, we cant both have the same exact ability as town.
Gurl

Cape and Pyxxy flipped the same role. The VTs aren't VT-ing.

Which is why Kate's comment D1 is even more weird now

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:39 am
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:26 am i am vanilla town with an ability
An ability outside of the thread? Is that what you are talking about?
@Kate What did you have in mind here?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:13 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:13 pm [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

=)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:51 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:44 pm @Dyslexicon Syn had a galaxy brain take

Ender is a mafia-aligned Gambit Demon that was designed by Nanook specifically to end game and unintentionally townside by not telling him what do his gifts do

I also think Ender is Mafia rn because he's the only one not frustrated and hating this game

-t
I'm cautiously optimistic

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:35 pm fwiw, we're at an uneven ratio of kiwi vs american claims

Kiwi - Cape, pyxxy, Wilgy, falcon
American - Creature, 112, Mac, Guillo -- and now Dizzy claims also American town

And?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:36 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:35 pm Also, I've softed this multiple times tbh
except we know mafia has a role cop, given that SVS stole the ability info of a redacted 3P as her in-thread claim

I softed VT on D1 first. And I have killed Ender with my role. So I think it's pretty clear that is my role. Also, we don't know mafia has a role cop?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:32 pmdizzy is the only one here who is capable of galaxy braining us all as mafia here, in my opinion

meaning that he's a super star as mafia and can probably do whatever he did to get himself this far and look this towny as mafia

-t

That's very sweet. Except I'm town.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:31 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:28 pm I feel like Porscha and Golden can't be mafia still.
can't?

because if that's the case then
you know

it clearly must be Sloonei

More seriously, how do we know we can trust your claim?
For example, let's say you killed Ender with the mafia factional, and Rondo just happened to die from D&D.

I'll reevaluate everyone. Right now I don't know. Those are just my feelings.

I mean, my role is my role. I assume Rondo is the mafia kill, though I must admit I don't know why mafia killed him. Maybe they thought he had more investigations. If I'm mafia and I use my kill on Ender, I'm outed if Rondo doesn't die. Also, I've softed this multiple times tbh

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:28 pm @Dyslexicon Ender kept his vote on you yesterday for a long time

Why didn't you yell at him to unvote?

-t

I did tell him to vote SVS.

I actually didn't know SVS would still count as voting me when she was dead before later, and when I learned it I wanted to shoot Ender anyway.

Plus, he clearly wasn't around. It's not my fault that he didn't unvote me or didn't vote SVS. I couldn't choose not to shoot him.

At least SVS was mafia. I think there's only one left, but we should probably treat this as lylo, cause mechanics are unpredictable

I feel like Porscha and Golden can't be mafia still.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:21 pm Should Porscha and Sloonei claim?

-t

I don't know

I really wanted the game to end tonight.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:15 pm@Dyslexicon did u get anything from ender?

-t

Not answering this quite yet

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:14 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:11 pm
Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:10 pm @Dyslexicon whats your role?

-t
Murican town
dizzy I was so hyped in hydra chat because I thought this claim was outing since the second voter on you died to the chop

unfortunately the mechanic still works

I didn't know it would work before some time before EoD myself. So I realised I would have to kill Ender, which I was totally fine with EXCEPT

I will take it for granted Rondo was not doing some awful fancy play, and he told the truth, and therefore Sloonei is town.

Mafia in PC, Porscha and Golden.

It's obvious now anyway

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:10 pm @Dyslexicon whats your role?

-t

Murican town

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 8:07 pm WHY IS PORSCHA FUCKING ALIVE

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THIS FUCKING GAME

-T

Why is Sloonei alive

I killed Ender

Rip game

well im gay

I thought I cleared that picture of my first time in drag off the internet

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:44 pm @Dyslexicon Syn had a galaxy brain take

Ender is a mafia-aligned Gambit Demon that was designed by Nanook specifically to end game and unintentionally townside by not telling him what do his gifts do

I also think Ender is Mafia rn because he's the only one not frustrated and hating this game

-t

I'm cautiously optimistic

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 02, 2023 7:39 pm Quick question. Isnt day supposed to be... over?

It was never supposed to start

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