The Syndicate

And I really have to go, but hopefully will be back before deadline.

Theory wise Nut is on the town side of things, which could make sense.

Vote Luke

Could go Marmot

Dyslexicon wrote:

Luke11646 wrote:
Long Con

Long Con

Luke, explain this?

From your rainbow list.

Luke11646 wrote:
Long Con

Long Con

Luke, explain this?

Vote Marmot

FZ. wrote:I'm going to start by saying that I hate games that start with me having to defend myself. It never ends well. Either I get lynched, or I spend the entire game trying to tell people that they are wrong, and everything I say just fits into their misconception of me being bad, and whether I succeed or not, I don't have much fun. Therefore, I'm going to do my best to defend myself, but I'm not going to go nuts when people decide to attack and tell me I'm No Uing, and silly stuff like that. This is how I play.
So:

A. MP, in general, this is day 1. Yes, more has happened than usual first days here, but still, it's not like I have evidence of someone actually being bad. I talk about what I read and pops to mind as I read it, and if someone pressures me for a read, I'll state what I see. What I saw (and forgive me for not fully reading your long strategy post), was you suggesting, or at least I assumed you were, that we play the cop card smartly, and a few fake claim. Thus, the baddies can't catch the real cop. Am I wrong about that?

Then, you give about 3-4 names in green, and the rest in grey. So far, so good. I can see you doing it both as a civ and as a baddie. Then, when someone else gives a coloured list, you don't ask about their suspects, but rather why that person trusts Marmot. How can you not see why this looks suspicious? It felt to me like someone trying to fish for reasons for trusting people. And the fact that you were first to give your list (no matter that it wasn't a coloured one, got me even more worried. It's like you were drawing out people to make such a list so you can use it.

Given all that, the fact that you joined the vote on me made me doubt your civviness.
I appreciate you trying to get to the bottom of things, and if you are a civvie, then yes, we should clear things fast, but please explain to me how your actions are from a civvie point of view.


Damn, I need to go. Plenty more to say. I hope to be back later before you all lynch me.

I like this post. Don't know about the supposed cop hunting from MP, seems a bit random to do. The idea MP presented was that everyone says who their supposed N0 town peek was, so the real cop and everyone else will have that information in thread. This way, if the cop dies at any point, we will have the info (s)he gave in thread. Everyone has to do it for it to work. The down side is that it's easier for scum to hunt down the cop. Up side is we have the info should the cop die. It's a pretty standard strategy. Seems like we're not doing it though.

I hope you'll be back to give what reads you have on other people than MP.

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Question/request - Would really appreciate if people explained their reads more. I get that rainbow lists is a thing here and they are pretty and I like them, but I would really like for people to articulate why they feel a certain way if they can, and gut reads are legit.

Question - is there a reason everyone is reading Epi as town? Meta reasons and info is welcome.

K, so actual thoughtsreadsfeels.

Nutella - I also got iffy vibes from her first post, unsure it's for the exact same reasons as Epi listed. It read more like saying stuff to say stuff and not a comprehensive train of thought. Also found it suspicious how she tagged my vote on MP as "apparent gut feel" when I feel it should be pretty clear it was a very loose vote, pressure/rawr/whatever and she recognises that and at the same time considers to act on it, I think that's what bugs me the most. In Phenon I pretty much followed her stream of consciousness kind of thing seamlessly, not the same here. That said I do like her tone in the recent posts. Slight scum? Could see nut teamed with MP.

MP - I already kind of hate my bias of MP, but his posts reads to me like directing, like deciding what he wants to be convinced of instead of being convinced (don't know how to express it). The activety, strategy talk and questioning is all good, but I know he could do it as scum too. I don't really have a reason to scum read him, so I guess just a null read.

FZ - I could see FZ as scum, mostly didn't like the first post as it also looked like saying stuff to say stuff and it was very early in the game (same feeling as with Nut). Other posts reads defensive with the "I'm watching you" and "maybe I'll vote you" kind of thing. Lack of actual scum hunting? Slight scum lean.

Speed - I always have the mental picture of him sitting behind his computer smirking and it's not comforting. I'll just note that he feels different than last game. Question: Which alignment do you most enjoy?

Marmot - I have suspicions on Marmot for raisins. Rawr.

Luke - Want to hear more from Luke and for him to explain his suspicions. Did not like the post where he votes Nut and says he's just following. Not much to go on otherwise. Sligh scum lean but not much to go on.

LC - Feels different from last game. More shooting in straight lines and not so much dancing around, if that makes sense (probably not). Was leaning town pretty early on, and that hasn't changed.

Epi - If I were to follow others reads, would lean town. Don't really have any feels, as I suspect he's the type of player that would be straight forward and do "logically correct things" regardless of alignment. Null I guess.

JJJ - Is basically willfully trolling. How is that going for you? Would really like you to share your thoughts on the Nut case, and also your own thoughts on Speed. Seems to be doing his own thing. Slight town read for no real reason.

Wilgy - I get that Wilgy's meta is to be a bit random. The one post that stuck out to me was the movement to Nut being a save and then still voting her, which doesn't compute in my head. Please Elaborate? Nullll

Eloh and INH are very null because of lurkness, actually forgot INH was playing. o.o Post moar!

Epignosis wrote:I am continually amazed that the #1 FEB on the site leads more lynches than anybody else.

What's a FEB?
Also, I would really like your most recent town game and your most recent scum game, please. Asking for a friend.

Luke11646 wrote:Sooo many cat gifs.

Hi! There are more where they come from. >:)

What do you think about playing mafia games? I think it's fun, excellent procrastination and surprisingly emotionally involving.

Luke11646 wrote:This makes sense to me and since I haven't played that much I'm just going off of what other people say, my vote is for Nutella.

So if Nutella is town, who's fault is it? =)
What does your feels say - can you explain to me why I'm scum to you?

Marmot wrote:

Doin' my best Dizzy impersonation.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thanks for the response, Epi. That is more than I was looking for, but it's a hell of a response and an awesome template for folks re: meta analysis. Well done.

Is MP always this polite and supportinve?

I can actually read some German, but not this early. o.o

Speed feels a bit different.

Marmot wrote:Dyslexicon votes for FZ.

FZ responds in under 5 minutes.

I don't get it, explain?

Vote Speed

333 is half the devil. Though I don't remember much from Speed.

Question to regular Cindy Kates - is it normal for scum to have day chat or only night chat? Or does it depend?

Luke11646 wrote:Dyslexicon

speedchuck wrote:whur is everyone

Hi.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Luke actually has very little experience playing here, and what he has tried has ended with him either lurking pretty hard or getting replaced if memory serves correctly. That's why I precisely was swift in giving him a town read in actually coming in here to the thread and inquiring about your read of me. Nonetheless, he'll have to keep asking and contributing to stay there. Just a real quick gut feel re: his placement; I have no meta basis for it.

I can completely understand your perspective on the cop cover strategy. I don't want to distract from hunting myself; I do think that should be the focus. I just know when I was hosting these kinds of setups I always thought it was strategically unwise for towns that don't even talk about or consider cop cover. I think it's because many people here aren't used to playing this kind of setup still, so that's why I wanted to make an effort to engage folks in this discussion this time.

Aight, thanks for the infos. And now I remember this guy names Luke that also played exactly one game on PerC and disappeared, but I'm pretty sure he was a PerC forum regular and not the same person as this one. Ghosts.

To be clear(er), I'm in support of doing peeks, as I think there's a reason that it's normally done when people are familiar with this setup, it's probably a good idea. But if we can't gather everyone to agree to it then it's probably better to just continue as normal. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@MP - Is Luke a regular Cindy Kate? Do you have meta on him given your town read?

Also, regarding cop cover strategies - I'm used to players doing peeks automatically in this setup, though not before later in the day I suppose. I'm pretty neutral to this, as my philosophy is more that of the actual scum hunting and play regardless of power roles is what wins the game (though obviously I can see the glory of power roles, I just don't like to lean on it too much). I'll just go with the majority, I agree we should either all peek or all not do it. I've always had the feeling that starting the peeking from D2 or D3 may be the optimal strategy, but that is just an idea based on not much.

FZ. wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Wilgy feels like Wilgy.

@linki: Nothing other than you just voted for me for reasons of "bandwagon". WIFOM much? I'm sorry. I don't do well with players who try to fluff their way through the game and use shenanigans. I'm more the straightforward type. So right now, I'm wondering whether you're just fooling around, or if I should just vote you back. In the past, I'd say players wouldn't be that stupid to say bandwagon if they really are doing it, but experience on this site has taught me players are stupid Kidding, but I've learnt that anything goes. So I'm watching you.

But bandwagons are fun. Plus it's kind of the name of the game. And this is my serious face ---> I really was wanting to post only cat gifs after my whiskers detected some cat hate around here. You actually remind me a bit of FM. which is kind of funny in a funny way.

FZ. wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

FZ. wrote:I've never played with this cat person. Feels like Vompatty 2. No connection between what is going on, and his own actions.

@linki: What is PerC?

Huh, sorry. PerC is short for PersonalityCafe, which is my "home site", and I could've sworn there was a player called "FZ" that played one game there a while back but then disappeared. If it's not you then you have a mafia playing evil twin name brother or I have a shitty memory.

Nope, not me.

Shitty memory confirmed. I just checked and this person was called "FM." and not "FZ." But you may consider a DNA test.

So, what's going on?

FZ. wrote:I've never played with this cat person. Feels like Vompatty 2. No connection between what is going on, and his own actions.

@linki: What is PerC?

Huh, sorry. PerC is short for PersonalityCafe, which is my "home site", and I could've sworn there was a player called "FZ" that played one game there a while back but then disappeared. If it's not you then you have a mafia playing evil twin name brother or I have a shitty memory.

FZ. wrote:@linki: Too many cats and I don't even know how to react to that vote.

Shock? Andger? Fear? Disguised love and admiration?
But you are the FZ that played on PerC?

Vote FZ

@FZ - Did you play that game on PerC a while back, where Timeless was scum and I wanted to lynch him every day but he wasn't lynched before I was dead and it was sad?

@Nut - Do you have any more or less specific things to your reads or would you say they are more feels based?

Luke11646 wrote:Why vote for MP, what has he done to you?

What has he not done to me? Anyway, I forgot to vote in the poll, so I'll just vote FZ instead, cause wagon.

Also, I think you are the only one here I haven't played with - Hi! *frantic waving*

Reads/feels:

Nut:


FZ:


JJJ:


Epi:


MP:


LC:

I thought the game would have developed some over the night. I appreciate you all helping me with my time management issues. :3

Meow.

Vote MP

Also, totally meant it when I said I was going to lurk, at least this day. I have an exam due to Thursday, which is probably why I signed up for several games in the first place, and I'm probably not going to lurk anyway cause procrastination is my religion, but if I do it's muchly legit and not suspicious at all.

Byeeee \o/

Luke11646 wrote:RIP Floyd, sorry I'm late.
By the way, I'm Mafia.

So many words.

Epignosis wrote:I'd lynch you just to spare us all the damn cat gifs.

Can we speed lynch MP once D1 starts pleeease?

Because I love him and he's probably scum and if he's not he needs to die anyway.

nutella wrote:Voting for left cause it's cooler k

Marmot wrote:I voted left because that's the first leg I put in my pants this morning.

DrWilgy wrote:Voted left for that dank tie.

I'm voting right because I like it better.


Also because I'm not wearing any pants atm. *wink*

Wilgy and Epi are my top suspects for obvious reasons.

What's the thing about D0? We can't kill anyone yet.

Also, I plan to mostly lurk this game, hope that's ok.

Meow.

I'm town.