The Syndicate

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Dyslexicon wrote:I highly disagree that they were illegible any more than early reads are, and will continue to give reads just the way I want in future games.

I encourage you to play however you want to play. If you're to claim though that your .gif reads had any relevant meaning, then please clarify what all of them were meant to convey.

They were all early pretty low-key feels. FZ and Nut's was a rejection of the kind of tryhard or posting to post that I felt. Don't remember the other ones, though I remember already having a positive impression of LC. What is the issue here though? Do you think me posting reads in cats is AI?

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Dyslexicon wrote:I realize self meta is unhelpful in game. Anyone who wants can have a link to my last scum game to see what that looks like if they want. The reason this point in particular is something I don't see myself doing as scum, maybe especially surrounded by so many players I don't know well, is just that I as most players am image conscious as scum, so outright supporting a teammate that was highly suspecting this blantantly just would look bad. What you see is my immediate reaction to reading that post. Yeah, it was wrong, but it was a town reaction. I also think you're a good enough player to understand why I would not want to do this if I was scum without my explaining it to you, I think it was implied in my first post. Whether you believe me or not is another question, and whether you want to or not is a third.

I don't necessarily think self-meta is unhelpful. I do believe that some players do report on their own meta in times of crisis or pressure in ways that are genuine, and indeed they are often discarded too quickly for fear of WIFOM. I am inviting you to talk about this because I am willing to listen to it. On the matter of FZ, your early reception of her wasn't especially "supportive" -- the specific example we're discussing here was, but I wouldn't call that thematic of your treatment of her. I think you covered a wide spectrum with her; to include questioning her, voting for her, and supporting her. The breadth of that spectrum isn't necessarily a problem, but it does stand against the point you're giving me here: that you were "outright supporting" of her full stop while she was under suspicion.

I don't like the highlighted portion. You've implied that my motivation for discussing this with you is insincere, but you haven't actually said that, while also asking that I read your mind (to know how you'd explain something before you've explained it to me).

My point is that my reaction to FZ was genuine and I feel (and I always do this "you should be able to" and I realize it's annoying I'm doing it anyway) that it should be possible to see that. I'm implying just what is on my mind because I DON'T know whether you're sincere, and I do feel that my reason for why exactly this point that you brought up should clear me rather than condemn me was implied. Does that make sense to you?

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Dyslexicon wrote:I have a question for you: Do you think you've sorted me out? I have more questions than that, but want to start there.

I don't think I've "sorted you out". I think you're a suspect. I think I need to engage in this dialogue with you to maximize my chances of making the correct judgment. What is the purpose of this question?

Well that is good. Because if you're town and you're voting me, then there is really no point in me spending a lot of time I don't really have right now on this game. So purely selfish reasons.

Alright, I'm going out tonight, so I won't really have the time to be around before tomorrow, but I do have time tomorrow. Would be cool if all considering voting me writes out why and what they think I'm not addressing to their satisfaction. I really want to prove that I'm town to whoever else of you that are.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

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It doesn't make me feel much of anything. I could believe that the mixup was genuine. I highlighted a question you asked though which covers some of my room for doubt: I don't see what reason you have to care if the thread knows you and "FZ/FM" had played together before. The dialogue is all neutral.

Meh. Maybe it reads neutral, idk. I don't see myself having to clear this up in thread first thing if I was mafia with FZ, but that's a hypothetical even for me in the end.

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I understand that you can't really answer to the Luke kill. It's circumstantial suspicion. That's how the game works though. If the Luke kill was motivated by a cop hunt, then it's a bad look for you -- Luke's only read on Day 2 was to suspect you. That's not the only plausible scenario, but it's one that must be considered.

That's pretty fair. That's probably the only point of suspicion against me that I understand. To my biased self I've been town as hell all game. This I can't answer to, but it's a good move of mafia depending on how premeditated it is. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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It's been no kill in each example I've seen. I doubt that's relevant to this game with the entire mafia team alive.

Yeah, it seems unlikely that no kill was submited.

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I don't know that I believe you had real intentions behind the cat gif reads. You could explain them now just about any way you want; they were illegible when you provided them.

I highly disagree that they were illegible any more than early reads are, and will continue to give reads just the way I want in future games.

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Okay. I'm forced to take or leave things like this at face value, because you're telling me what your own meta is. It might be helpful if you'd explain why you wouldn't do whatever thing as scum instead of that you wouldn't do it. This is a recurring theme throughout your response.

I realize self meta is unhelpful in game. Anyone who wants can have a link to my last scum game to see what that looks like if they want. The reason this point in particular is something I don't see myself doing as scum, maybe especially surrounded by so many players I don't know well, is just that I as most players am image conscious as scum, so outright supporting a teammate that was highly suspecting this blantantly just would look bad. What you see is my immediate reaction to reading that post. Yeah, it was wrong, but it was a town reaction. I also think you're a good enough player to understand why I would not want to do this if I was scum without my explaining it to you, I think it was implied in my first post. Whether you believe me or not is another question, and whether you want to or not is a third.

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It looks that way. The attempt was rather blatant. Did you anticipate drawing a night kill for this?

Meh. I said it because I said it and I also meant exactly what I said. In fact the cop did have information that was outed that day, so more of a feeling of where the game was at at the moment. I don't find it particularly important, just me saying stuff.

I have a question for you: Do you think you've sorted me out? I have more questions than that, but want to start there.

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Dyslexicon wrote:

speedchuck wrote:I'm gonna die in 26 hours and 14 minutes. Does anyone have any questions for me before then?

Yes! Explain your read on Marmot please and what makes you think he's town.

I'm new here, but a lot of it is meta. Read some of Marmot here, then read some of him in Phenon.

I see earnest effort in this game, an attempt to take the game seriously, a good bit of genuine content. When I look through his posts, I get a happy face.

When he was scum, I got none of that. He didn't take the game seriously enough for me to read him.

So it's part meta-read, and part me having no reason to suspect Marmot. What reasons should I have for suspecting him?

Alright. I'm not so sure, but I'll keep this in mind. Doesn't look too bright anyway.

I haven't had the same good feels and I think he's been laying rather low. The more concrete reason to suspect Marmot is his bipolar stance on FZ in the very beginning and what looked like fake peeking FZ (Did you ever comment on that btw, Marmot?)

But if I can't make my own mind up, maybe I'll just follow yours, cause no responsibility \o/

I vote no to shortening the days too -

speedchuck wrote:I'm gonna die in 26 hours and 14 minutes. Does anyone have any questions for me before then?

Yes! Explain your read on Marmot please and what makes you think he's town.

speedchuck wrote:I'm not as big of a threat as Epi.

Well, looked like he was convinced I was scum so. More wifom for your bucks. Also, need you to ask ALL OF THE QUESTIONS this day phase plz. Hi.

Will go through the thread when I have the time, either tonight or tomorrow. Is the day still 48 hours?

Long Con wrote:

Airplane! I miss you.

FZ. wrote:Seriously? You think I'm bad, after all I've done for you. That's insulting


Sadly, I think I have nothing more to contribute to the game, so I'll step down. I hope no one is really mad.
I played a lousy game. The least I could do was go down kicking and screaming. I had fun though.

Thanks Floyd!


Oh, and welcome Golden. Too bad we couldn't play together

Maybe I'll change my vote if you give us all of your reads?

Do you think I'm teamed with you? >_>

But seriously, well played indeed.

Answers to JJJ (the parts I feel I can comment on)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Las interacciones de FZ y Dyslexicon

FZ stuff

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Dyslexicon wrote:

FZ. wrote:I've never played with this cat person. Feels like Vompatty 2. No connection between what is going on, and his own actions.

@linki: What is PerC?

Huh, sorry. PerC is short for PersonalityCafe, which is my "home site", and I could've sworn there was a player called "FZ" that played one game there a while back but then disappeared. If it's not you then you have a mafia playing evil twin name brother or I have a shitty memory.

Nope, not me.

Brief exchange in which there is some confusion about who FZ is. Things like this bear some capacity for WIFOM which leaves me disinclined to view it as dissociative. Dizzy strikes me as a fan of WIFOM.

Question: Does the interaction look faked to you in any way?
I honestly mixed up FZ. and FM. and thought we had played before, which would be relevant information for me. If scum has day chat, why would I not just ask her in the chat then? Why would I want the thread to know we had played together if that was the case and make this whole thing about it? I don't know how well you know me or my game play or what you can infere and not, but I'm very unlikely to ask such a thing to a teammate in thread if I can just do it in the chat, because teammate interactions can easily look very awkward and this would be totally unnecessary. In fact, I think FZ' answers are awkward, and I'm me so I know mine are genuine, but I want to hear what it makes you FEEL - so again, does it look faked?

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FZ. wrote:Lastly, I was thinking the exact same thing Marmot was, regarding Luke's death and Dizzy's potential part in it. The only problem I have with this theory is, why would Dizzy go to the trouble of trying to lynch Luke. At that point no one seemed to take Luke that seriously. If he thought Luke was the cop, wouldn't it be better to wait until the night to take him out? So the cop, for example won't try to find his ties and look into people he thought were connected to him?

FZ covers a lot of ground in this discussion -- to be "thinking the exact same thing Marmot was" in this circumstance would be to suggest suspicion, but she went to some lengths to devalue that suspicion with the rest of this commentary. The reasoning is questionable too: if Dizzy is mafia and thinks Luke is the cop, that shouldn't prevent Dizzy from trying to lynch him. The mental gymnastics supporting the waffle aren't a great look. She reiterated the point later.

I can't answer to the Luke kill, because I didn't make it and if I'm going to be a mislynch because of that that would actually feel fine. If I was scum, killing Luke would be outright dumb. He was a new player which means if he was the cop he would probably make it very clear if he then had a red check on me. Everyone started doubting me after this kill, success. If FZ tried to frame me for it in an obvious way I'm pretty sure I would be able to pick that up very easily. Speaking of, you also pushed doubting me in a way I didn't like for the Luke kill. I'm going to go through all of your posts together with everyone else's in relation to FZ, even if it's going to take me all night and all day tomorrow.

Question to any regular player on site: What is common practice if scum team doesn't send in a kill? No kill or random kill?

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These cat gifs actually expressed what I felt about certain players pretty accurately. And I regret nothing.

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Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.

Wilgy feels like Wilgy.

@linki: Nothing other than you just voted for me for reasons of "bandwagon". WIFOM much? I'm sorry. I don't do well with players who try to fluff their way through the game and use shenanigans. I'm more the straightforward type. So right now, I'm wondering whether you're just fooling around, or if I should just vote you back. In the past, I'd say players wouldn't be that stupid to say bandwagon if they really are doing it, but experience on this site has taught me players are stupid Kidding, but I've learnt that anything goes. So I'm watching you.

But bandwagons are fun. Plus it's kind of the name of the game. And this is my serious face ---> I really was wanting to post only cat gifs after my whiskers detected some cat hate around here. You actually remind me a bit of FM. which is kind of funny in a funny way.

Their interaction that follows from that vote is rather chummy. FZ says a lot about the vote but doesn't take a stance beyond the eyeball emoji. Dizzy doesn't go anywhere with it thereafter.

Spoiler alert for my game play. When I get bad vibes from someone I'd rather not play out all my cards at once, and I like not appearing as a threat early in general - that is my TOWN play. The "I'm watching you" is typical scum to town behavior. I also think FZ did pretty much exactly the same thing to MP or whoever that was.

Dizzy Day 1 reads list -- They took a stance (slight scum) which is better. Dizzy asserts they didn't like FZ's first post, which had been a dialogue earlier. I don't believe Dizzy participated in it until this moment. That would have been the sort of accusation which'd ideally be tacked onto the "wagons are fun" vote previously.

This is where my beautiful cat gifs actually are relevant lol. I did think FZ had a post just to have a post, which is what I tried reflecting in my catty read list, and lol maybe this sounds stupid to you but whatever. FZ and Nut actually got similar ones because I had a somewhat similar reason to suspect them. Meh, guess I can't prove this further.

Dizzy next post was to like one of FZ's -- apart from liking the post, the rest of Dizzy's commentary here is to contest her reception of MP's cop strategizing and ask for expanded thoughts. It's not clear why Dizzy liked the post.

I remember that post. It felt genuine to me, and I'm pretty sure I was not the only one feeling that. Good on FZ I guess. Also, I would certainly be way less likely to give support immediately like that if we were teamed scum together. If I'm not mistaken FZ was a likely lynch at this point, and I'm no stranger to busing as scum. This is probably one of the most un-scum!Dizzy-like things you've pointed out.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't buy this explanation. I think she fabricated that suspicion of me. She doesn't seem to care about solving me; she only keeps coming with reasons to further her suspicion.

Let's lynch her.

If you disagree with me, tell me why.

I guess I could go with this. She's a mixed read for me, but has been at least a bit active.

Vote FZ

Dyslexicon wrote:Oh wow, suddenly everyone voted FZ.

They placed an FZ vote late in Day 1 and then observed that they were not alone in doing so. The language accompanying the vote is tentative.

My lynch intent here was genuine, cause I think some of the other candidates was lurkers and I'm not that much fan of a lurker lynch D1 (cause lack of info). I know I changed my vote later, but I'm pretty sure FZ still was the lynch lead when I did (again not something I would do if I was teamed with her). I changed to Nutella cause she was also one of my suspects (probably more than FZ at the point), but the reason I switched was to test MP's theory of FZ + Nut team. I opened for FZ to change to Nut who she had been loosely scum reading. I thought the pairing was likely so I wanted to see if FZ wanted to commit with a vote as well, but she didn't do that, she voted LC instead, which made me that more fine with the Nut lynch. This all reminds me I especially need to go over this lynch again, since FZ was a contender near EoD.

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Dyslexicon wrote:@FZ - What is the reason you're not voting anyone at this point?

This question was soon followed by a changed vote to nutella. The prodding continued which is what led to the discussion of FZ's town reads I already mentioned.

See above.

Dizzy doesn't like FZ's reaction to the nutella flip. The middle portion of this post in which Dizzy voices suspicion of her based upon the notion that nutella's alignment was clear pre-flip is hard to follow and at face value doesn't look great to me. That's an extremely specific accusation based upon a premise that I don't really buy.

Those are exactly the things I consider when I play, I can't help how my mind works. I was actually more suspicious of MP for it, but I dropped it based on learning the hard way that town can word themselves weirdly to me.

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speedchuck wrote:MP your readlist is weird. Why is dizzy low?

Huh, I would want to know that too. Epi and me down, and FZ and Marmot up?

Dizzy asked this question after having already given MP a "RIP". That means the question is unanswerable and was meant to be rhetorical -- "what should we make of FZ and Marmot being elevated on MP's list before he died?"

Not ideal.

What is not ideal about it? I'm still wondering about it acutally. It looked really random to me.

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:@JJJ - Not going to respont to your ISO, sorry. Don't know what else to say than I think I've played a pretty straight town game (well, straight for me lol), and I can't really answer to the Luke kill, which is annoying.

I don't care about your answer to my ISO. I care about your reads.

Well, I'm going to

Vote FZ

And then I will note that your tone has changed towards me. Do you not care about my health and well being anymore?

Day 3 vote for FZ is their first mention of her that phase. Expanded with an assertion that we're "close to the time of solving". This is vague. Dizzy please explain what you meant by that.

I wanted to look cop-ish.

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Dyslexicon wrote:I've read LC way more town than FZ throughout the game. But I may suck.

Dyslexicon wrote:Wait, what is happening? Why are we moving from FZ? We have two cop claims, surely we should lynch one of those? O.o

Dyslexicon wrote:I don't understand how we are not lynching either FZ or Epi here! Obviously one of them is lying.

Dyslexicon wrote:Fuck claims. FZ has been way more scummy than LC has been to me.

Dizzy made it clear they wanted to lynch FZ and sided with LC throughout EOD, including voting for me in the end. I am hesitant to award much credit for their having been correct given that this commentary occurred when the LC wagon had taken off. The likelihood of the lynch moving back to FZ at that point was lessened. If Dizzy is bad then this would represent a pretty standard example of highroading a lynch.

This is me prefering to lynch FZ. I didn't really buy her claim, much because of my town read on LC, which I haven't really wavered on all game and probably the only thing I'm proud of this game lol. Of course, you can always argue it as highroading or busing or what not, but that is just throwing wifom over it.

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Conclusion

I would call Dizzy a compatible teammate of FZ. The positive indicators are smaller and less numerous than the negative indicators.

K, so this ISO is more like "if Dizzy is scum this is how it is" - what would be the reasons I'm town in your opinion?

Golden wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 04#p351602

Looking at the last three posts before MPs death, starting with that one... what do people think of Marmot's post in there? I tend to think it looks like, not something a baddie would bother asking when they are about to kill MP.

Like why?

Marmot wrote:I had reasons to think you were civilian. Specifically your question (and suspicion of me thereafter) about daytime BTSC.

But I'll look back at that later, and see if I feel the same way about it now.

My question for you is really about your thought process on FZ - you seem to say you agree on LC's suspicion, but then put FZ as a town read afterwards? I know this was D1, but do you remember your thought process around FZ? It looks like you're having two opposite thoughts at the same time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I wasn't sure she was the type to pull a fake claim gambit at all given her minimal experience playing in roleclaim-friendly mafia games. She was absent for much of 2016 here when those games truly became more prevalent on The Syndicate.

I was wrong. It's possible she was advised by a teammate; it's possible she came up with it herself.

I don't know what is normal or not here, but wouldn't it just make sense as a last effort anyway instead of just to roll over and die? Also, what is the significance of her coming up with it herself or not? Wouldn't all other suspects here, myself included, be likely to see fake claiming as a possibility?

Marmot wrote:Dyslexicon votes for FZ.

FZ responds in under 5 minutes.


That said, I agree with the feelz that Meester Long Con describes in that one post where he talked about FZ and voted her, so

So here's a thing where Marmot seeds me and FZ as connected, which I didn't like at the time and also sparked my tinfoil on Marmot. Actually he refuted this later though and concluded that we were NOT teamed. So that would look good actually. BUT, I also found that his last line here definitely doesn't mach up to his rainbow a couple of pages later. Also looks like he's trying to play FZ off as a fake peek, which is convenient knowing FZ is scum.

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Epignosis
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Dyslexicon wrote:

Golden wrote:Dizzy, gun to head, who is the baddie team?

Already kind of disagree on my answers. >_>
Marmot and INH maybe.

What thoughts came into your head that made you shift the way you felt?

Doubt. And I remembered INH's vote shift on LC.
Also, I know I felt that FZ and Marmot could be teamed at a point earlier in the game, but I don't remember why. Going to look through both of their posts.

@Epi - You should read the EoD again.

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Dyslexicon wrote:@Epi - Don't understand your point about me thinking I had played with FZ before. You can check PerC if you want, this person called FM. with a dot after played and I thought it was the same person (remembered it as FZ. when I saw FZ.' name here). Blagh. I honestly thought it was the same person.

I can't answer to the stuff that FZ said, so I have no comments on that really.

This is Mafia. In Mafia, people tell lies and pretend things.

Dyslexicon wrote: Also, I voted for FZ the whole fucking time EoD. I only voted JJJ when LC asked me to. Was this unclear somehow? I get that you are confirmed town, but god damn.

It's crystal clear. You want credit for a vote you didn't stick with, and you want LC to shoulder the responsibility for the vote you ultimately made.

I'm not even going to answer this. You can't dispute facts even if you're confirmed town.

Golden wrote:Dizzy, gun to head, who is the baddie team?

Already kind of disagree on my answers. >_>
Marmot and INH maybe.

Golden wrote:Dizzy, gun to head, who is the baddie team?

Marmot and JJJ.
Gun to head. BUT I haven't done the work and looked through the FZ-stuff.

@Epi - Don't understand your point about me thinking I had played with FZ before. You can check PerC if you want, this person called FM. with a dot after played and I thought it was the same person (remembered it as FZ. when I saw FZ.' name here). Blagh. I honestly thought it was the same person.

I can't answer to the stuff that FZ said, so I have no comments on that really.

Also, I voted for FZ the whole fucking time EoD. I only voted JJJ when LC asked me to. Was this unclear somehow? I get that you are confirmed town, but god damn.

@Golden - Don't know if I answered your initial question or not. It's often not that easy for me to trace back the thoughts that I had cause my thinking tends to be rather convoluted. So ask again if you're still wondering, and I'll try again. Not quite sure exactly how you're judging this on an alignment axis, so you mind explaining that to me again?

Also, I have to sleep now. Good night.

Marmot wrote:Oh.

Well at least he got his reads out. Thanks LC.

I'm suspicious of you for raisins.

Pretty sure the poll said:

Fz - 1 - LC
JJJ - 2 - Epi, Dizzy
LC - 5 - FZ, Marmot, JJJ, Speed, INH

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Golden wrote:Yes. It's not as though civilians never have reason to lie about cop claims. It seems like an approach that risks lynching the real cop.

Having said that... given fz is actually bad I think it's the opposite in this case. It looks good on you - provided I'm convinced it was genuine. Which means I need to understand what your thought process was.

Would this be a normal response to multiple cop claims for you?

Of course town can lie about being the cop, but scum has more incentive to lie. I guess what was leading my thoughts was that I didn't really buy FZ's claim initally, because of a lot of things but also it looked so convenient so close to end of day, also that she disappeared right after. I don't know all the players on this site very well, but my hunch is that many would not be as prone to fake claiming as on PerC. So if you ask if this is a normal response to me, I'd say that depend on who is claiming and in what game. I reacted to the situation at hand, and my logic was that either FZ or Epi should be lynched. Also, I thought LC was town, which made me even more sure on FZ and why I decided to follow LC's lead on JJJ in the end. Other than that, and I realize there's no way to verify this but whatever, I was having a social situation that I kind of had to pay attention to as well, so I was not constantly in the game. I don't even know if that clears things up, but main point was that I distrusted FZ and trusted LC to be town.

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Dyslexicon wrote:I think initially I'm mostly suspicious about Marmot. Then Golden is pretty much an unknown entity, but hopefull that will change somehow.

Here's something that may help...

Ask epi about elos activity patterns.

I've heard people say Eloh is more inactive as town, but also that she is inactive regardless. Last game she was town and had to be replaced. I'll rather try to read you though, since you're here. Hi.

Golden wrote:You were implying that one of the people who claimed cop should be lunched. Why do you see that as a good strategic choice. Wouldn't keeping them alive and forcing the mafia to decide between killing the real cop or risking new red peeks be better?

Epi, did you suspect fz was lying?

I didn't even think that. I thought one of them was lying and therefore scum, and so one of those should be lynched and if wrong, we knew who to lynch next day. I didn't quite buy FZ's claim in the first place, I actually thought LC could be the cop from beforehand, but then Epi claimed cop which threw me off. I don't see this making much difference though - are you arguing this as a point of suspicion against me?

I think initially I'm mostly suspicious about Marmot. Then Golden is pretty much an unknown entity, but hopefull that will change somehow.

Golden wrote:Dizzy - first question.

Why would you lynch one of the cop claims. Shouldn't you let the mafia do your work for you there?

Btw - as an observer, it seemed pretty clear to me that LC was the cop if FZ wasn't. Why did people who were there not pick up on this?

I don't understand what you mean by the first question?
To the second, that wasn't clear to me at all, though I did think LC could possibly be cop, Epi actually claimed it. Either way, regardless of claims I thought FZ was the better lynch just for play in general regardless of claims.

And welcome, Golden!

Epignosis wrote:First time cop covering.

I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

I don't know what the fuck any of that was lol. You would be my first pick to be teamed with FZ, but I assume LC left his hints clearly.

Also, LC, I haven't been buddying you. You've had a very different vibe to me than last game we played and I think you've played a good game fwiw.

Lol, that song title though.

RIP LC =/

At least now it's VERY EASY to figure out who to lynch. >_>

Long Con wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I don't understand how we are not lynching either FZ or Epi here! Obviously one of them is lying.

Just go JJJ then please.

I did.

Fuck claims. FZ has been way more scummy than LC has been to me.

I don't understand how we are not lynching either FZ or Epi here! Obviously one of them is lying.

Wait, what is happening? Why are we moving from FZ? We have two cop claims, surely we should lynch one of those? O.o

Epignosis wrote:I'm the real cop and 3J is bad. I forgot to send in my other PMs though. Sorry.

Who's your peek then?

So who the fuck are we lynching?

And FORGOT to send in the PMs?

Epignosis wrote:I'm the real cop and 3J is bad. I forgot to send in my other PMs though. Sorry.

Wut?

I've read LC way more town than FZ throughout the game. But I may suck.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Apart from the peeks I find myself wondering whether FZ is the sort to even fake claim. This kind of dynamic is unique to heists and I don't believe she has played many of these if any.

What's the downside of fake claiming if you're leading the lynch to EoD though?

Looking through FZ's posts there's not all that much substance I feel, but she does town read Wilgy D1. Also town reads Epi D1 though, which was the N1 check, and I don't see much after that? If LC is scum I will be kind of impressed. I wish the claim didn't happen this close to eod cause it looks kind of convenient.

insertnamehere wrote:Hmm.

Looks like today comes down to a simple decision of who to believe- FZ or LC.

I'm gonna look at the posting histories of both before making a decision.

Also going to look through FZ's posts. Would be best if she could link to those hints.

Wow ok. o.o

*Will multitask until EoD*

I'm totally great at that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well I don't mean to be a jerk. Why the FZ vote?

You're not a jerk. <3 I just think your tone is different and I don't really like it in an alignment/game relevant kind of way. YOU are wonderful and awesome and do really long posts. The FZ vote is simply because I think she is scum. Could put more words to it, but meh. It's basically the time of solving and I think we're close. If that isn't good enough, I have more cat gifs. :3

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:@JJJ - Not going to respont to your ISO, sorry. Don't know what else to say than I think I've played a pretty straight town game (well, straight for me lol), and I can't really answer to the Luke kill, which is annoying.

I don't care about your answer to my ISO. I care about your reads.

Well, I'm going to

Vote FZ

And then I will note that your tone has changed towards me. Do you not care about my health and well being anymore?

@JJJ - Not going to respont to your ISO, sorry. Don't know what else to say than I think I've played a pretty straight town game (well, straight for me lol), and I can't really answer to the Luke kill, which is annoying.

Blah. Sorry for being so absent. I've been traveling pretty much constantly the last day. And I don't have much time now either. I want to address the kill on Luke thing though, cause I realize it makes me look bad at surface level, and I definitely think it's purposeful. I find the kill to be a strange one outside of that and almost trolly (?) or too clever for it's own good? I knew Luke was not the cop, which is why I was comfortable pushing for his lynch. I don't know what else to say about it really. But I don't think it matter that much as I think we're close to a solved game anyway. =)

Will catch up on the last happenings.