The Syndicate

I'm not really moved by Nifty's response to Fred. Except of the fact that he has 7 ducks, which is awesome. I like Fred's point of how Nifty related to the Epi case, and how he blew off Wilgy while at the same time supposedly wanting a Gfish lynch.

@Nifty - You said in your post that Nut was scum read by everyone? When? That is not how I've perceived it.

@Nut - Can you talk more about what is thorough in Nifty's response and what you like about Fred's case? It's a cliché at this point, but that was real vague.

To spew out my train of thought, if either of Nifty or Nut flisp scum I think there's a decent chance the other is too.

@MP - Did you do any other analysis than your Adam one?

@Adam - I don't know how other sites does it with giving out roles, and I specifically don't know how Cindy Kate does it, but I always assume roles to be 100% randomly generated. I think what site you're from doesn't matter at all in this regard. Also, you say that Gfish's teammates would be on the Epi train - who specifically are you talking about?

In other news, I hate silencing as a mechanic, it's super annoying lol. Again, no shade game makers. I still strongly feel Jack is scum and the fact that he's silenced doesn't change this for me, though I want it clarified if scum can target their teammates, I assume they could. Furthermore I think Jack is one that could be on either team, and right now I trust none of yall, except potty mouth friend, so I'm going with who I feel is most scummy.

Vote Jack

Aaand I'm on a train with the spottiest wifi in history, so now I'm wondering if I'm ever going to be able to post this. Maybe I should write a story while I'm waiting for connection.

Once upon a time, there were 7 little ducklings living in the back yard of a beautiful house in the country side somewhere in Murica. The little ducklings had lost their mother, but fortunately they were not alone as they had a dog of an unspecified breed to look after them and raise them as they were his own. This, of course, had a peculiar effect on the little ducklings, who instead of quacking were heard barking loudly from time to time. "Let's play catch the ball!" said one of the little ducklings, and off they ran as fast as their little duck feet would alow them.

Linki: stuff.

I like that case on Nifty. He does look like he could be teamed with Gfish.
Won't have much time to play this evening, unfortunately it seems I have a social life. I should be free tomorrow though.

CaptainNifty wrote:They know Dom is dangerous because he is obviously a good player. Kinda like cbob was dangerous. In addition Dom is especially dangerous to Jack's faction.

And you know Jack is in a faction how? This reads like you're Cerb that has a cop check on Jack or something to that effect.

Hi jack. U svum??

I'm alives. Why all rllama peopke die??

Dyslexicon wrote:I wish we had double lynched.

Lynches* But both apply I guess.

I wish we had double lynched.

sprityo wrote:Dizzy I see you in thread right now, if you're actually here, how do you want to "get to know me better?"

I think it shows I'm in the thread if I leave the window open and jump out of it to go play in the park. I'm here now for like 15 minutes though.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

TonyStarkPrime wrote:Last night, Reaper targeted CBob. Unless JOH is totally tricking me, what he said about CBob on day 1 suggests to me that he would not go for CBob for a night kill night one, as he basically prepped the other team to do that.

Wait what? How do you know this? Why are you talking about Jack as comfirmed scum here?

I am saying that if JOH were scum, I don't think he would be a reaper.

Why though? How did Jack prep the other team then to go after Bob. This reads all sorts of weird to me.

Epignosis wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote: Dom - Is like a mix of Epi and Llama and it's fun.

You have no idea how much I want to put this in my signature.

I don't, but

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dizzy

Define placeholder.

Why is SVS good? Why is Adam good?

Probably not the right word to use. It feels like a "I have to suspect some of my accusers". And they are good because I say so.

Immediate thoughts on teamed with Gfish is Jack and Raven. Jack because I read him strongly as scum and I recall Gfish ninja switch to Llama to make it possible for Jack to save himself from being lynched D1. I also think Silver is scum but more likely Reaper because of his post about Epi, he didn't seem concerned at all, but I don't think Jack and Silver are teamed. I mean, it's possible but it's wow much bus. I remember thinking some Gfish/Raven interaction made them look teamed. Something about some player giving Raven some leeway because of health issues, (Get well btw Raven!), but Gfish seemed to have a different attitude to this which struck me more strict teammate distancy kind of thing. Outside possibilities would be Adam and Nifty, but I read them both more town independently. I don't buy Gfish and LC as teamed.

People I would invite to my birthday party:
Fred - Potty mouthed friend.
Nut - Hazelnut spread friend.
LC - I will yolo this read to my grave.
Wilgy - Yaaaas, bruh.

People I would go for long walks with (but maybe bring a knife in my back pocket just in case)
SVS - Tinks thoughty thoughts.
Adam - Makes me sane.
Nifty - Has the grrrs.
MP - Because I thought so D1.

People I want to get to know better:
Dom - Is like a mix of Epi and Llama and it's fun.
Sprit - Is standing on the outside looking in.

People I'm looking at while lifting one eyebrow:
TSP - Says some weird things I don't follow.
Raven - I've kind of forgotten the concrete reasons, so let's call it gut. (Actually the reasons are a bit silly).

People I will throw rocks at:
Silver - Doesn't feel like he did to me last game. Lack of scum hunting?
Jack - I don't feel like explaining this in detail. I think "not finding his footing" like Adam said is a good analogy. Many words, much mental gymnastics, which can go on forever, but I can see through it. His pokes on me is a placeholder, as it is with Nut.

Oh, and that guy:
Epi - Hi.

Caught up:

Fredwood wrote:Dizzy, floating through the thread like a adhd butterfly whose wings sprinkle a dusting of cocaine in her wake.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Lol I hate your gambit, Epi.

Cause you could be a bulletproof don. You could be the Cylons and you then side with the mafia, especially if we lynch a townie or two. I'm gonna feel stupid if either of these turn out to be the case, whereas I won't feel stupid if we lynch you no matter what. But like....I believe this is a thing you would do. It's exactly the kind of outside the box "I am so much smarter than you" trickery you'd pull. And if you are the Geth, you don't know if the people going after you are Cerberus or Reapers so you're knowingly opening the possibility of weakening one of your potential sides to help the town.

But you know they're not town? =)

CaptainNifty wrote:I could say the same to you.

Try to use less arrogance, bullshit, or whatever your trying to sling. Syndicate may think you are some kind of mafia genius, but half the players here don't know you or frankly care about your reputation.

Without you giving something up, or someone else providing more info, I see no reason to move my vote.

This tenacity reads more town to me.

Dom wrote:POLL: Do you think Jack was really making a fucking rainbow list, using color codes that are all in HEX (right-- that's HEX right?) in quick reply?
That sounds like some serious bullshit to me.

This argument is sexy regardless of if it's right or not.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:Last night, Reaper targeted CBob. Unless JOH is totally tricking me, what he said about CBob on day 1 suggests to me that he would not go for CBob for a night kill night one, as he basically prepped the other team to do that.

Wait what? How do you know this? Why are you talking about Jack as comfirmed scum here?

This si the second time at all, and the second time at this site I see a forging role. I hate them. No shade to the game makers. We need to have a petition for that and janitors to disappear from mafia games entirely. Please and thank you.

DrWilgy wrote:Oh that feels good.

Silver Lantern wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I'm still afraid that vote shenanigans will fuck up having a lynch.

What are you whining on about? Can you quote what role has vote shenanigans that you're concerned about? So that others can understand without stirring up a panic for no reason?

I recommend reading the setup, it's a good read. Don't have time to quote right now, will rather actually read the game day. If I wanted to stirr up a panic I'd be using this:

Silver Lantern wrote:Mainly cause that's my job...

Lulz.

I may actually have time to catch up before EoD.

I'm still afraid that vote shenanigans will fuck up having a lynch.

Changing to Gfish

Because his story smells Gfishy.

Epi, you may live to take note of who's voting you another day.

Fredwood wrote:lol we're down to Jack or Fish at this point. I don't like Fish's claim because as you said, Cop makes an infinite amount of more sense on N1 then a gut RB. Jack hasn't claimed yet, and Fish has done the whole I'm a RB from early on thing. So info dump supports Fish currently. It really comes down to how flexible people are to vote for which people.

Yeah, that claim doesn't make sense to me at all. And I don't think I buy he's the type of player who would make such a decision because "how badass would it be". Honestly I have no read on Jack, he could go either way. Still see no point in having Epi hanging around, BUT if Gfish is likelier to be actual scum than (for now) neutral then he is a better lynch. Lynches are valuable in this setup. I'd be fine with both of these lynches, but Gifhs' story doesn't strike me as a truthful one. But I haven't read much of this game day (sorryyyy) which is why I'm asking you specifically lol.

gfishfunk wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:@Fred, My sanity and my soul. Should I join on Jack?

I see Gfish claiming. Why on earth would you not use a cop action the first night if this is your role? Any counters to this?

Because of the potential nightkill on it. How badass would that be?

And once again, I didn't hit town with it.

Alright, sorry for not being caught up. To be clear: You hit Epi with a kill chance block because you were certain enough he was scum instead of using a cop check first? Is this what you're saying?

@Fred, My sanity and my soul. Should I join on Jack?

I see Gfish claiming. Why on earth would you not use a cop action the first night if this is your role? Any counters to this?

Also, want to point out that reading the roles, there's a very good chance of there being some vote shenanigans ongoing. So having the votes extremely spread out by EoD may have variable results, which may be fun, but not the best if control is something we want. Not sure if this has been pointed out before.

@Fred, Who should I vote?

Also, Epi is claiming 3p that later can side with scum. Is there any good reason not to lynch him? o.o

@Epi, How will we know you have sided with town, is there any way of knowing? And how can we be sure you are who you say you are?

Long Con wrote:Cool - hey, your hair really looks good, pastel pink suits you!

Voting with LC now

Voting Epi

Should always be a good idea.

Will chance it to whoever Fred wants to vote though.

Long Con wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Anyone want to buy my vote today?

First come, first served.

How much? I'll pay you a compliment for it.

Sure, I'm cheap.
Also kind of fine giving my vote to you, though I may follow Fred when/if he decides to vote (he should).

Fredwood wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Anyone want to buy my vote today?

First come, first served.

I'll trade you a nickle for that pickle.

If I read the start of the day right you're kind of confirmed town, right? Unless weird things I'm missing.
Anyway, you can have my vote too then.

DrWilgy wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Anyone want to buy my vote today?

First come, first served.

Hey qt. Wanna vote Raven or Gfish?

Get in line!
Lol, no, but the other two answered first, and Fred has more trust points.


Reason is I have almost no time to mafia until friday. =/
Will try to read and express something as long as it's at all possible though.

Anyone want to buy my vote today?

First come, first served.

Fredwood wrote:

Spoiler: show

I googled it the first time and only got this:



I just assumed it was a reference you usually make that I didn't get.

I see how you got to that conclusion lol. I actually just dyed my hair pink also Though more pastel.

S~V~S wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Maybe,

Our people seem, for the most part, to be playing like usual.

Omg. JJJ made all the Cindy Kate people town!
It actually fits more with my reads overall which may or may not be a problem.

I think we're trying to look friendly and normal so as not to frighten new people away. Is it working?

I guess time will tell lol. But seriously, this is a very nice community indeed. Which is why I keep playing here and loving it.^^

Fredwood wrote:oohhhhh....Cindy Kate






I understand now.

It comes from JJJ. I've been using it ever since he said it.

S~V~S wrote:Maybe,

Our people seem, for the most part, to be playing like usual.

Omg. JJJ made all the Cindy Kate people town!
It actually fits more with my reads overall which may or may not be a problem.

A couple of things:

@Jack - When you say lazy scum hunting and don't like the reason I'm suspecting you, do you mean to say that I don't have a lot of basis for my suspicion? I'm very much a gut read type of player this being especially true D1. If my behavior was opportunitistic that would mean a lack of care. But I considered as carefully as I could, and yes without a lot of hard basis, but it shows that I do care. My vote landed on you cause I concluded you were the best choice. I don't expect you to like it regardless of your alignment. I still don't feel good about you. Do you see my behavior as different from last time we played together? What else do you expect from me as town?

- I second the suspicon on Silver as I think he's been rather forgetful. In the Phenon game he was pretty easy to identify as town and much more in the mix of things (even though that meant tunneling me half of the time lol).

- Lol at people discussing me and my gif usage. <3

Going to bed. Good night, all.

I like your style, Llama.

=(

Can we still post at night in this game too?

If there is a tie the lynch will be randomized. Sounds fun tbh.

Are we currently standing on a no lynch? Is that what happens if there is a tie? I'd want a lynch rather than no lynch.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Honestly I don't even know how many scum there are (well, until now, I'll check now).

So, to answer your question, absolutely not deliberate. I've just been gradually sorting more folks and so that's coincidental.

I'm not sure what to think of you, but I'd say you're most apt to be sorted into green of any of the greys left. Why should I read you as town? I'll check out yours and JOH's ISO now in fact, but I'm still curious to hear a response to that question.

Didn't realize it myself until I saw how many greens you had sorted. I was basically just curious what your read on me was if any, can't myself answer to why you should or should not read me town. =)

Epignosis wrote:Where the hell is sig when you need someone to lynch Day 1?

Lol.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Explain to me what SVS pointed out. In your own words.

The post she pointed out gave me weird feels as well. I've actually considered it as possible distancing, if I'm wrong on Nut. I don't really see how it's not possible for Nut to have town reads on players going after each other.

Weird how?

Weird, odd. Is it not imaginable to you that Nut could read players town even if they're going at each other? The alligation was weird to me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:MP Rainbow #4: EoD D1

Spoiler: show

colonialbob
DrWilgy
S~V~S

Adam
CaptainNifty
gfishfunk
Long Con
nutella
Silver Lantern
thellama73

Dom
Dyslexicon
Epignosis
Fredwood
Immortal_Raven
Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
TonyStarkPrime

Back to a POE list now because I don't feel comfortable saying I have any real "mafia" reads. I don't feel remotely comfortable leaving my vote on Dom anymore; I'm throwing him back up into grey. I suppose I'm open to any of those grey folks still. I'm still a bit bothered by Dom's two questions, as if he tried to seem contributory, but I'm willing to throw him back up in those greys because he approaches the game very differently from me and I'm just really not sure his post is alignment indicative at all. I really need to hear from him so he can explain what he was trying to accomplish with that post.

Otherwise I'm also bumping LC, nutella, and SL up to slight town. Their contributions feel genuine enough to me that I want to give them more time and don't feel I really have any reason to lynch them today.

I just realized how many scum there actually are in this game and suddenly felt worse about everything. I don't know if it's deliberate or not, don't feel it is, but you have 10 green reads and implicitly yourself, which is the exact number of town. Also wondering if you have any read on me at all?

sprityo wrote:Leaving my vote on LongCon for now

Hi, sprit!^^

Um, why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Explain to me what SVS pointed out. In your own words.

The post she pointed out gave me weird feels as well. I've actually considered it as possible distancing, if I'm wrong on Nut. I don't really see how it's not possible for Nut to have town reads on players going after each other.

Dyslexicon wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:I'm putting Dyslexicon in my strong town reads.

Llama, JoH, or Adam as my strongest scum reads...but......

I would lynch Immortal_Raven for failing to post straight up.

Can you explain your Adam read? Going to see if you've mentioned Jack earlier.
Overall the participation is a bit lower than I expected. But most games have their lurkers.

Yeah, you've mad your suspicion on Jack clear. *can't keep track*

gfishfunk wrote:I'm putting Dyslexicon in my strong town reads.

Llama, JoH, or Adam as my strongest scum reads...but......

I would lynch Immortal_Raven for failing to post straight up.

Can you explain your Adam read? Going to see if you've mentioned Jack earlier.
Overall the participation is a bit lower than I expected. But most games have their lurkers.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Adam wrote:Let's talk a little more about the Syndicate meta: Is it typical for Long Con and llama to butt heads like this?

I wouldn't say it's normal, no, but it doesn't particularly surprise me either.

What's your read on Llama?

Adam wrote:The diagram was just my way of pointing out that the only person who has votes out of my scum reads was llama, which is why i went that direction. I posted some reads a few hours ago, and haven't seen anything from llama to flip him out of the bottom chunk of the list.

As to who's avoiding getting involved, it's no one specific but the discussion as a whole. S~V~S commented on it, I noticed. But LC and llama are both making very strong meta allegations at the other, much stronger than most of the other verbal sparring we've seen so far. I would just expect more people to have chimed in on it at least a little bit, especially those who have more experience with the Syndicate meta.

Alright, seems I missed your reads. For me, I can feel myself being biased towards Llama cause I just like him, which should not interfere with my judgement ideally. I think LC is town, so I am paying attention to what he's saying. I also feel Llama hasn't really made a strong alligation as much as he was retorted, if that makes sense.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I come across as jumpy when using my vote as a gun like a shit bank robber, waving it around and threatening people.

In the end, I can only use my vote like a gun in the hands of a true American, to shoot one player. So why vote everywhere?

In Phenom, I decided to break this habit to try to get more out of my vote so to speak, and voted Scotty. This was immediately pounced upon as my least genuine vote (cause it was), resulting in my death.

This has cemented my strategy. I vote once at the end of the phase unless I am lynch leading.

I don't remember how you voted in Phenon. I also don't have the same relation between you changing your vote and you getting killed, but it's possible that you do of course.

Adam wrote:I am voting thellama

He's at the intersection of the Venn diagram of players I have scum reads on and players who have votes on them. I also think it's a little weird that more people aren't interested in Long Con and llama's back and forth, almost like some people are studiously avoiding getting involved.

I actually am interested in it, and I could consider this vote as well. Could you talk more about the diagram of scum reads thing? And who are the some people avoiding getting involved, anyone in specific?