The Syndicate

Hi, all! I'm currently traveling and am far from home, so I don't have the chance to read the ending right now.

But I wanted to thank Sprit again for such a great game! I had a lot of fun, the setup was awesome and the vibe was just great!

Also thanks to all the players for being so respectful and fun to play with. I definitely would be up for similar games with any and all of you! \o/

Yay for town win in the end, good work last standing town. But wow - all factions played a great game! Which I think is one of the reasons thus was such a good experience imo.

I probably have more to say later. ^^

@Speed - Then let's figure out who that dude is that you have to target, if that's allowed, so that you can prove yourself next day if you have too.

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I'm out. Good luck.

speedchuck wrote:The game can't be solved. But we are speculating regarding how much the claims give us a townread.

Literally none of our claims can be verified at this point in the game. But what we claim matters, because of the way we do it and such.
Example: Strawhenge's claim proves nothing, but makes me not want to lynch him.
Fred's claim is unproven, but it made me want to lynch him.

There's a whole new world of reads that can be obtained from claims.
Also, I think JJJ did interactive analysis once or twice. What exactly were you asking for? I skimmed the thread last night.

Does your double vote show up in the vote count?
How does it work?
You said you have one, right? So could we arrange a tie and you to use a double vote to prove your claim?

My list of most suspicious to least for marker would be:
Fred
MP
Straw/Juliets
Speed

They're basically all infused with some degree of "but omg".

I guess I'm fine with my vote for now. Unsure whether I can be back to change it before EoD.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I still don't see bus driver as a normal town role though. I actually think I've never seen bus driver/switcher as town friendly. It's very common among 3p at my home site. I realize this is different, but still it's a thing for me.

I've seen it. I am pretty sure the HCR gang lives by it. I don't think it's a great role in town hands because it only causes confusion, but I've seen it.

Yeah it's probably a null point. Personally I don't like it for a town role that much, but that isn't too relevant here.

I'm fucking stumped too. I switch through the suspects in my head, and every time someone posts something I'm finding myself thinking it's believable and go on to the next.

Maybe it's just Fred which seems like the simplest solution.

Speed's claim is curious though. Bringing in Flavor into the actual role, as in giving names? I mean, it's certainly creative if it's a fake claim, but it seems almost too far out? I don't think any other role had descriptions that utilized flavor?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Let's do an exercise, gang. List all of the remaining six players other than yourselves, and explain at least briefly two things:

1. Why is this player a civilian?

2. Why is this player not a civilian?

See what your brain spills out and gauge the degree of inspiration.

I don't have time to do this outside of what I've already said. Sorry.

Didn't want to say this in case I was killed first, cause that would be better. But I'm going abroad in about 10 hours, half way around the globe actually. Pretty sure my wi-fi situation will be decent, but my time and attention likely won't. I didn't expect this game to go on for so long or me to be alive at this stage. I'm sorry if this is inconvenient, I will try my best for it not to be. I don't think having a replacement at this stage of the game is better though, so if people are ok with it I'll just try my best to give what I can.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Soneji -- gunsmith and vest gifter

Silver Lantern -- vigilante and janitor

These are decently well opposed.

Dyslexicon -- vest giver or something

Strawhenge -- revenge killer

These are decently well opposed.

I see the relation of
Quin (odd night doctor) and Silver (odd night vig)
Soneji (vest and gun giver) and me (vest giver)

I still don't see bus driver as a normal town role though. I actually think I've never seen bus driver/switcher as town friendly. It's very common among 3p at my home site. I realize this is different, but still it's a thing for me.

juliets wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote: I would very much be interested in Juliets role. She's the only one that hasn't given much information about it?

It's not in the best interest of the town for me to claim unless I'm about to get lynched but I can tell you that like the other roles that have been claimed, it has limitations. It's also a role I have never heard of in the mafia I have played. It is a protective role but has not been mentioned as a possible role in this game. I hope that is enough information. I will think about if there's anything else I can safely say.

That sounds reasonable enough for me, actually.

I guess, Juliets and Speed are the most likely to be town?

Some sort of wtf mixed feeling about Fred, Straw and MP.
Straw having something that is every night is maybe susp. Most town roles seems to be x-shot, except bodyguard probably?
Fred is just hmmmmmmm all over.
MP.... sigh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I really dislike the contradiction that Juliets pointed out, about Fred saying "what is a demo man" and then "I once customized a demo man". That is pretty bad. I also think Fred kind of skipped over that point in his answer, just brushing it off.

I want to ensure this isn't misconstrued further: I am the one who said I wrote a demo man role, not Fred. Fred later had a "so did I" which caused confusion, but he wasn't talking about that.

Oh. I didn't get that.

Btw, what do you think of MP and his relation to his own role? He claimed it, but on later day doesn't seem to understand it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is the vest the only item you've handed out, Dizzy?

No.
Would ideally want Juliets to claim, but I have to go soon anyway.
I had two vests to hand out, gave one to Nut N1 and one to Golden (boooo) N2. And that's it. You can see Nut talking about using an item the day before she was killed. It's also clear from the way she was talking about it that it was protective. It looks like it had to be activated though, which I didn't realize as I'm used to BP vests just protecting you for whenever you get targeted. This is why I hinted that Nut would've had to be strongman killed. Soneji was strongman, so story checks out (which is what Quin relied on I guess, should Soneji flip before Quin).

So, I'm super conflicted about stuff.
First when reading Fred, I liked his defense. It doesn't make sense for how I would play the game, but it certainly could make sense for him. Not claiming investigative on Soneji in fear of being a target is exactly the opposite of what I would've done. I would hint hard at being cop, ensure Soneji was the lynch (or even better, the gun kill), and then welcome a NK with open arms. But some players are more self-pres for reasons unknown to me, which I'm not. But I could see Fred being this type of self-pres.
The claim is pretty creative if it's made up. It's also possible, however, that the marker have other abilities than just marking.
I really dislike the contradiction that Juliets pointed out, about Fred saying "what is a demo man" and then "I once customized a demo man". That is pretty bad. I also think Fred kind of skipped over that point in his answer, just brushing it off.
Super conflicted. I agree that the "I would've done this and that and not at all this thing that happened" is more likely to come from scum than town. For me, I have no idea how I would've played a marker in this game, I don't have incentive to think about that much. But Fred is seeming to have very detailed opinions and some places information about how that whole thing would work.

For Juliets I'm more so sheeping other's reads. She seems town enough, but DFray being a 3p and that having some impact on only two people being marked isn't all that unreasonable to me. I don't know Juliets, I wish I did, cause maybe it would be easier to have a clearer read.

The way straw made his claim looks better than the claim itself. He's not exempt from suspicion. I also go back to the first impression I had of him in which I think he sounded awkward in thread.

Speed looks better? The claim seems oddly specific and creative. I don't know.

MP is not out of the question for me either. I wish I could trust him, but I just don't. Maybe he has marking powers and bus-driving powers, switched Fred and Golden and targeted Fred, so Golden would get the mark, and Golden would get results back that Fred was targeted by Eloh (when in reality the result he got back was on himself, but he wouldn't know the difference since both Fred and Golden was targeted by Eloh). This actually makes sense.

I actually think it's less likely there is a last mafia. Who would that even be?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:To ensure this causes no confusion later: I did not track speedchuck.

I didn't really believe you did either. All the sads.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory: Dyslexicon played into the dialogue about numerous protective roles by claiming one himself -- it'd allow him to justify most targets he'd make. Those targets of his though are actually marks, and he blew up Golden and Quin.

juliets wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory: Dyslexicon played into the dialogue about numerous protective roles by claiming one himself -- it'd allow him to justify most targets he'd make. Those targets of his though are actually marks, and he blew up Golden and Quin.

Looking at it the other way around, did it make sense from a civ standpoint for Dyslexicon to claim protective when he did? I have to look back and refresh my memory of what was happening when he claimed.

I claimed protective because I felt there were too many protective roles floating around already, and it seemed less likely all of those would be town. I also had used my shots by then, and have basically been vanilla from D3, so I wouldn't mind being killed at that point for being protective, though should've probably left out the "not as strong" part for that purpose. So I did it because I felt it was helpful information. It would make no sense for me as scum to claim protective into a bunch of players already claiming the same.

I would very much be interested in Juliets role. She's the only one that hasn't given much information about it?

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@Speed, I didn't get the vest N1, and don't quite understand how you think I would. With all the controversy and mistrust around me D1 I would probably be near bottom of the list for gift reveiving. I really don't get why you're nudging at that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:unvote

vote speedchuck

What? Are you jabbing me for a reaction? Seems to me like this came out of nowhere.

I tracked you killing Scotty last night. Sorry pal. No use spilling the beans without fostering an environment where people have to solve though. It can help find the other evil-doer.

Oh, god praise, give me the gift of seeing red on Speed. \o/

speedchuck wrote:If someone comes up with a good reason behind the kill, I'll praise Cuthulu.

Last thing: What I mean is, yes Long Con was just doing wifom anti-spew stuff on D5. Short comments here and there to people. BUT, was he doing this also after Golden and Quin died? If he wasn't really doing that, and just said "let's get this over with", then I think it's more likely he actually meant that and was the last mafia. That would need to be checked though. But not by me right now because I should've been asleep hours ago.

Omg, how am I still up at 4am, someone slap me, good night!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I would say that Long Con's "let's get this over with" is evidence for him being the last airbender, I mean I'm not an anime nerd, mafia.

I think everthing Long Con said on Day 5 was anti-spew which could be discarded as intentional WIFOM.

I noticed the anti-spew thing, but didn't he do that before Quin and Golden was dedded, or am I wrong?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I would say that Long Con's "let's get this over with" is evidence for him being the last airbender, I mean I'm not an anime nerd, mafia.

I think everthing Long Con said on Day 5 was anti-spew which could be discarded as intentional WIFOM.

Nuuuuuuur! The wifom must die!

MovingPictures07 wrote:


I missed playing with you. Subbing in was worth it.

I would say that Long Con's "let's get this over with" is evidence for him being the last airbender, I mean I'm not an anime nerd, mafia.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I know Jay expressed a preference (at least I think I read it was him?) for mafia being the higher priority over demo-man today, and while from a mechanics/threat perspective I would agree with that, I feel much more strongly that there is a demo man than there is a mafia and demo man.

Thus, if the lynch were ending tonight, based on what I know, I'd vote Fredwood -- even with some tinfoil on Dizzy (that admittedly has settled a bit in the last five minutes or so).

Does this make sense or am I going about this wrong?

Aw, look at us arguing the same thing. *buddies hard*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I really find a 6th mafia member dubious as well. Is what Jay was saying earlier about Scotty's role self-imploding make any sense whatsoever?

I completely forgot about that. I was going to check it.

The only reason I thought about it at all was the flavor text -- it sounded like Scotty was living on borrowed time. I typically don't read into flavor though; who knows.

I sadly haven't had time to read the flavor text. Scotty's role text doesn't give anything away about him being dedded. So I assume he was killed, I guess.

Anyway, I would rather try to hit the marker, as that one is most certainly in the game (or else the mod is a troll and I will love him even more). It would be extremely lulzy to lose by way of looking for a last mafia member that doesn't even exist.

Lynch Fred

Or something.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:but I'm sure my buddy JJJ can vouch for me not being mafia.

No, I can't do that. I can make a read and it can be wrong. You're certainly very familiar with your resume, aren't you?

Yes, you can. You feel it in your heart. You feel it in your bones.

To that last bit, are you? Then shh...

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, I really find a 6th mafia member dubious as well. Is what Jay was saying earlier about Scotty's role self-imploding make any sense whatsoever?

I completely forgot about that. I was going to check it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:There may not even be another mafia member though. I feel 5 is quite enough. Plus dead people talking (how is this a thing in game) makes me believe this, though I don't know if this is angle shooting? But I can't help bot interpret what dead people are saying, even if it's supposed to be neutral, it's just not.

Dead players are not supposed to be saying anything that can be remotely construed as on-topic. That's bad form. The only reason they're even allowed to say anything is that the Lostpedia-based mafia communities fostered a heavily off-topic environment within some games, wherein dead players participated in those conversations, and would also occasionally just revive threads by declaring their want for a resurrection, brainzzz, or whatever.

Then imo that line has been crossed already. But my brain is capable of making a storm and a tinfoil theory wrapped up and ready for shipping out of someone sneezing in thread. The best thing is probably just to ignore it, since the dead would be posting with neutrality in mind.

sprityo wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:There may not even be another mafia member though. I feel 5 is quite enough. Plus dead people talking (how is this a thing in game) makes me believe this, though I don't know if this is angle shooting? But I can't help bot interpret what dead people are saying, even if it's supposed to be neutral, it's just not.

typically I don't allow dead posting but was fine with it this time around. That being said, the dead posting shouldn't effect anything in game related

I guess I'll bring this up again after the game maybe. I'm not saying it's wrong or anything. Just saying I'm not used to it, and that I still read it and therefore interpret it.

There may not even be another mafia member though. I feel 5 is quite enough. Plus dead people talking (how is this a thing in game) makes me believe this, though I don't know if this is angle shooting? But I can't help bot interpret what dead people are saying, even if it's supposed to be neutral, it's just not.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:My tinfoil on Dizzy is real. Maybe it's just because he seemed to latch quickly onto the tides of suspecting me suddenly... and I say this as someone who HATES the buddying accusation, but Dizzy is buddying Jay really hard in this conversation.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p342459
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p342487

JJJ is buddying me too. It's real love. I can be the un-gendered mom to his fatherly glare. Don't break up this happy family.
Anyway, if anything I've tried to reduce suspects today.
Also, not a chance in hell I'm mafia. I don't think you'd say that if you had read the whole game.
I'll read more carefully the stuff that you've put out here and respond and meditate, but I need sleep now too.

Well, to be fair to you, I haven't.

What's the most convincing point in your favor here? Maybe you can link me to something that would completely change my mind. Because my working knowledge of the thread has been due to surmising context from you all during barely reading anything before my entry to the game and skimming throughout my brief presences since replacing.

The fact that I was the only one giving attention and wanting to lynch Marmot since D1. Every conversation I ever had with Quin. The fact that Golden treated me as if he knew I was town and I called him out on that. Probably most of my interaction with Long Con as well. Breaking the tie between Quin and Soneji 1 minute before EoD even though I had said I went to sleep (the day your vote came right after). Which, btw is a point in your favor. DAMN YOU, GAME! Won't link you to this, but I'm sure my buddy JJJ can vouch for me not being mafia. And I can myself vouch for me not being 3p, but more on that later if it becomes important.

MovingPictures07 wrote:My tinfoil on Dizzy is real. Maybe it's just because he seemed to latch quickly onto the tides of suspecting me suddenly... and I say this as someone who HATES the buddying accusation, but Dizzy is buddying Jay really hard in this conversation.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p342459
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p342487

JJJ is buddying me too. It's real love. I can be the un-gendered mom to his fatherly glare. Don't break up this happy family.
Anyway, if anything I've tried to reduce suspects today.
Also, not a chance in hell I'm mafia. I don't think you'd say that if you had read the whole game.
I'll read more carefully the stuff that you've put out here and respond and meditate, but I need sleep now too.

Meow.

Always kill MP.

Vote MP

Will be back after sleep and read more and say more things.

juliets wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Oh, I thought Juliets brought it up to clear MP, but seems I misunderstood?

Right, I wasn't trying to clear him I was saying that was suspicious behavior. I think you're right, if he's bad he did get with his teammates ahead of time and thats why he was comfortable claiming so quickly. He would have known the issue about Golden's targets needed to be cleared up.

Yeah, the whole thing doesn't feel right.

Always kill MP!

Oh, I thought Juliets brought it up to clear MP, but seems I misunderstood?

juliets wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Straw's role claim is a creative one if it's fake. It has the adequate profile to be fake given that it cannot be resolved without him dying anyway, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. The targets interest me more than the claim itself, as they lend substance upon which Straw can be judged. The only target that appears strange is the first one, when he targeted me, and I might actually like that. Straw has been subject to my scum wins as much as anyone and he has more reason to be paranoid of my shenanigans than most people.

I've a personal bias in the matter though and would appreciate others' takes.

First reaction is to believe the claim. Also, he didn't seem to want to claim at first, which I think is relevant. In contrast MP seemed to want to claim, which I didn't like as much. That was more like how Golden claimed.

MP entered the thread at 8:20 pm and claimed at 8:31 pm. That's 11 minutes to claim in a game he ostensibly knew very little about. That's just too quick even if he's experienced in role claiming games (he would have had to get that experience on other sites than the ones I've been on with him).

linki again

Isn't that assuming that he knew nothing about the game? If he was replacing in as scum could he not have talked to the scum members first? Also, he's claiming that he still don't understand the role entirely, which is actually very suspicious to me. I would expect MP to be a person who would ask for clarification until he understood his role exactly.

@JJJ, What do you think about the point over, about MP not seeming to understand his own role fully?

I think between MP, Fred and Speed, we have the last threats. And it's probably MP and Fred. Not sure who I'd want to kill first.

Another thing to consider regarding who is the marker and not:
The marker would probably not want to lynch anyone they had already marked. So, Juliets wanting to lynch Quin is a good look, unless Quin was marked that last night, of course, but I feel that is less likely as there was controversy around him at that point. Wouldn't take it to the bank, but maybe to the post office.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:First reaction is to believe the claim. Also, he didn't seem to want to claim at first, which I think is relevant. In contrast MP seemed to want to claim, which I didn't like as much. That was more like how Golden claimed.

I think I agree. When a player hesitates to claim at a time like this, my initial concern is that they need time to manufacture something false -- but once I gave Strawhenge a stern, fatherly glare he was able to produce a claim quickly.

Lol, a fatherly glare. That is so cute and kind of creepy at the same time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

Strawhenge wrote:linki: It's mainly just an aura thing, yeah, if I'm catching your meaning of 'aura' correctly. And no, it doesn't work with lynching.

Well, people generally like to slap a 3p read on me now and again, it happens a lot. I think it's just something to do with how I come across. I'm town though, always, every game, trust and believe. Ok, maybe not all games, but this one at least.

I think it's a natural tendency for any player who employs a whimsical style, particularly when WIFOM is rampant. The same phenomenon is felt here by Marmot.

Yup, and that makes sense for Marmot. One player that I took a lot of notes from when I first started playing (the one that played the first time PerC participated in the championship) has the same "syndrome".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Straw's role claim is a creative one if it's fake. It has the adequate profile to be fake given that it cannot be resolved without him dying anyway, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. The targets interest me more than the claim itself, as they lend substance upon which Straw can be judged. The only target that appears strange is the first one, when he targeted me, and I might actually like that. Straw has been subject to my scum wins as much as anyone and he has more reason to be paranoid of my shenanigans than most people.

I've a personal bias in the matter though and would appreciate others' takes.

First reaction is to believe the claim. Also, he didn't seem to want to claim at first, which I think is relevant. In contrast MP seemed to want to claim, which I didn't like as much. That was more like how Golden claimed.

Strawhenge wrote:linki: It's mainly just an aura thing, yeah, if I'm catching your meaning of 'aura' correctly. And no, it doesn't work with lynching.

Well, people generally like to slap a 3p read on me now and again, it happens a lot. I think it's just something to do with how I come across. I'm town though, always, every game, trust and believe. Ok, maybe not all games, but this one at least.

Strawhenge wrote:Okay, I'm a revenge-killer. Choose someone every night and if I get NK'd, they die too.

My targets:

N1 Jay (you'd said some lowkey shady shit, sorry)
N2 (missed the night phase)
N3 Long Con
N4 Quin
N5 Fred

But wait, does this work for lynching as well?

Strawhenge wrote:I know, it's unprovable. And now if there's a night killer they probably won't target me. But there you have it.

I think I believe this claim.
But this also might mean you do get targeted if your suspicions is wrong.
So can we talk about why you suspect me being 3p? Is it just an aura thing, cause I get that a lot. I have a verifiable claim though, but didn't want to get into that before I had to (don't want scum targets to get easy).

However, this claim seems reasonable to me.
And JJJ is confirmed.
So adding me now rather than later is probably better.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:I think I feel the same thing. Although I'm sad that I think Speed is probably just town.

Why's that sad?

I sometimes just want to read people as scum. It's a thing. I kind of wanted to read you as scum D1.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Right now I am feeling:

MP as mafia
Fredwood as demo man

Strawhenge as backup for both
Dizzy as tinfoil city

I think I feel the same thing. Although I'm sad that I think Speed is probably just town.

Strawhenge wrote:I think Dys could be the rogue.

As long as it looks something like this in your head (?):


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One thing that hasn't been discussed is whether the rogue could be not rogue but actually have a teammate. Probably not likely or productive to speculate on, but it's crossed my mind.

speedchuck wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote: Why are you clearing MP btw?

I'm not, at this point. I thought his targets meshed with Golden's claim. I misremembered, and Juliets brought it to my attention.

Basically, in trying to clear you, I was wondering if the vest you threw at Golden was the item from night one. I don't want to assume that you are an even-night vest giver or something.
If this is fishing, ignore it. It seems more like un-claiming to me, though.

I either don't want to say or don't know myself lol.
So either you will have to flip tables or just leave it at that.
I should probably feel good about you wanting to clear me though.

Kind of sucks how five mafia are dead, and I still feel we're in a dire position. o.o

@Speed, I haven't really felt strong about you being mafia for a long time, and not really at any point in the game. If I were, I'd try harder to get you lynched. I have had suspicion on you, but mostly I've wanted to do some poking and apply some kind of pressure.

Why are you clearing MP btw?

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I'm not sure I liked how MP roleclaimed. I don't know how he would be cleared.

I'm liking Juliets as town the most.

Fred's answers looks not good on surface levels. Speed's answers looks better. Not sure where I'm at with that.

Straw is kind of forgettable at this point. I don't think he's mafia (?)

speedchuck wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:@Golden, you're being dense about the fact that it's me that's having your back, and not Soneji.

So I'll just make that official, cause it's creating confusion, I've given Golden a vest on N2, because I was told I could give someone a vest and I had to make up my mind in no time and my head just said "let's give it to Golden". This means Soneji had time to give out a gun, and probably didn't give out a vest at all.

Dizzy, is there anything we should know about this interaction? I have an idea of what happened, but I want to see your response first.

I don't think there's anything you need to know right now, actually.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Let's also state: if we're really dealing with a scum team that went 6-deep, bussing Marmot on Day 2 was not a big deal for them. We already know Long Con did it. I don't really think that lynch is a great indicator for anyone.

I actually disagree. If the scum team were as many as 6 I know I'd make it paramount to keep the numbers. With 6 live mafia in thread, outnumbering town can hit faster than what town would expect, plus having the sway of 6 mafia votes in thread is huge.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would like to hear what everyone thinks about this methodology I am employing to hunt for the marker. I have my reasons for doing the work; tell me what potential you believe it has to yield results.

I was actually thinking about that just when I read your Straw post. And I was thinking I was not sure that it made sense to me or would yield the most accurate result. Speaking only for me, I frequently do night actions without exactly knowing why, like giving a vest to someone you have a null read on for example >_> I was really considering just giving it to Silver, but for some reason I was temporarily in love with Golden and had no time to decide, so that just kind of happened. Point is, I think there can be a lot of randomness in deciding actions, and knowing how a particular person reasons (or don't reason) to make a decision is easily faulty imo. BUT, this also depends, obviously, on the person, the action, the game and everything. So if you ask, "would marker be interested in going after people that they perceived a threat in thread?" I'd say that depends on what type of player they are, what their position is in thread, if they think that would make them more or less safe (wifom), if they would consider other things as more important (like how likely their targets was to die in other ways), and probably other stuff. That was a long rant, but basically - sure all analysis is useful, but I don't think those results are accurate by themselves.

Then again. My perspective might be limited and you may have reasons I don't understand.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Just to scare everyone though:

When Dizzy made the "slip", the three players who first jumped to the attack were Quin, Marmot, and Golden. What do they all have in common? That might increase the viability of a purposeful effort by Dizzy, coordinated with the others in BTSC, to pull the full scope of the gambit as a mafioso.

I do think Dizzy looks like a civilian at face value though, and the combined effort of Quin and Long Con to smear them well beyond Day 1 for it might alleviate that tinfoil.

Don't forget Soneji commenting that he doesn't understand trickster types.
It would be super cool.
I just realized that when I felt Golden knowing I was town I was right. This is why I should trust all suspicion I have that feels like insights, and just leave the messy overthinking stuff.

Also, I agree with your suspicion on MP. I do not clear MP as other people seem to do here.
Though I do recall Eloh asking Quin, specifically, who to vote for in threa. But Quin answered that she could vote any of the wagons. Why not just say the name on the player he voted (me) instead if Eloh was town?
Also, Marmot commented "scum would never do this?" when Eloh self voted. I could see Marmot being the type of player doing this to a teammate for lulzy wifom reasons. I know, cause I'd do it too.