The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 6:37 amI had some friends read all of the enneagram books and then all the books told me I was different numbers so we gave up on that one really fast

Definitely harder to get into, I think. Exponentially more rewarding for me, personally. It also took me some time to find my type and type variant. It's tricky, cause it's about the way our ego tricks us. I was like "I can't be a body type relating to anger, cause I've never been angry my whole life!" Because I'm fucking angry all the time and have built a defence of sleep around it lol. There's a few reasons one can have trouble finding ones type. One being that you're a 3, 6 or 9, who all have a built in motivation to change a lot depending on circumstances. Another being you're a so called countertype - your instinctual variant (self preservation, sexual or social) combining with your type to be reactive to it, which generic type description sometimes doesn't account for. Like social 9s often being workaholics trying to rub off their sluggish indolence, self pref 4s being mild and friendly holding in their sadness, social 7s being sacrificial and guilty about gluttony etc.

Uh. I could talk a lot about this. Especially when I should be doing work (Type 9 power weeeeeee)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:36 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:27 pm There's a member of the faculty in our psych department that absolutely loathes Myers-Briggs and shuns its very mention in his presence (which is understandable, to be fair, given that it's not at all scientific). Still, since he likes to be a party pooper my peers and I have made a tradition of gushing enthusiastically over what our types are whenever he is nearby.

I’ve never met psych people who are fans. I can get them behind big 5 trait tests though and there are strong correlations, so, I don’t know.

A lot pf psych people will learn that "MBTI bad" and "Big 5 good". It's very puzzling to me as I see them as being extremely similar systems, though MBTI gives the (somewhat false) impression of being more confined. I can see it from the perspective that MBTI in itself was developed for very practical reasons (sorting different types of women into fitting jobs during WW2), and so it had (and can have) a more generalised and practical use. However, the Jungian psychology the MBTI builds on is very rich, and Jung is one of the greater figures in the whole field of psychology. I think many people dismiss the ideas before they really get to the juicy stuff of what it's about. Which can probably be said about a lot of things in life. =p

No personality or typology system is something concrete that exists in life. I view it as a sort of language. Some of these languages are very useful in describing and making sense of personality, which is often otherwise very hard to describe and discuss with a shared understanding without having anything to grab on to.

Also, I think it's important to be clear about what a specific personality system does and does not account for. MBTI is about cognitive preferences. So it's all about how you gather and sort through information. Which is a pretty limited part of what one can call personality. So it doesn't say anything about what a person does, what motivates them or what drives them. But it can describe, fairly well imo, how a person prefers to perceive and judge information.

But the Enneagram is the real shit for those who want to go to the dark depths of ego and illusions.