The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:30 pm Thanks for the game, JJJ!

Have fun!^^

...and Malakim!

Thanks for the game, JJJ!

Have fun!^^

CaptainNifty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:07 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:42 am I'm still not seeing eye to eye on why you all vote Dyslexicon, I'm sticking to my guns on this one

VOTE JACKOFHEARTS

It's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.

Lol.

SVS, You town? Can you please promise me to look into the Nifty/Nut/gfish connection once I've flipped?

Hai. I'm Samara, and I have my normal role block left. Have fun.

Vote Nifty

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Lol and?

Also, assume Nut/Nifty did get that question earlier (I don't remember the details but I remembered reading your post like "asked and answered").

Would you still be certain they are bad together? If so, why?

The questions are not answered. Nowhere does Nifty explain why he targeted Nut specifically. In fact the little he talked about her earlier was him NOT trusting her and her being on "everybody's scum list". Nowhere has he said who he now has targeted, as he does have more shots he should've targeted someone else. I picked up on the link between Nifty/Nut before this even happened. And I hinted to Nifty that if he was town he should target me cause I have a x-shot role (as do many roles to be fair). All Nifty has done is become LESS active after being "pretty much confirmed" and refusing to answer my questions because I've been inactive. The link between gfish and Nifty were strong. It's actually blantantly obvious imo. This game is not breakable, if you follow Nifty and Nut's claim to the grave you're going to lose no matter what side you're on.

Nah, can't confirm my role. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Which makes sense. I could if I got a new shot though. The irony.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Lol and?

Also, assume Nut/Nifty did get that question earlier (I don't remember the details but I remembered reading your post like "asked and answered").

Would you still be certain they are bad together? If so, why?

Get what question earlier? Did Nifty say who he targeted this last night?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Care to claim, Dizzy?

In which case: YES.

Wait loooool. I might have a verifiable claim. Checking with his modness.

A little bit of a half hearted good luck to town. Watch the silence unfold^^

Meh. Thank you for at least answering part of my inquiries, Jack. I believed Silver to be scum pretty much the whole game. Honestly hoped he'd be vig killed. Nifty is scum, so my vote there would've been good.

I'm town. I'm sure Nifty and Nut er scum together. Nobody listens to me. Fred us silenced. People are being willfully blind, but with as much non town as town I should not be surprised. Not sure why Raven and SVS are voting me. Reapers should take out Nifty or Nut if they want to have a chance.

@Jack, @Epi, @Nut, @Raven - What factions do you think I'm in? Please give reasons for your votes with your own words.

@Nufty - Who did you target last night? Can they vouch for your innocence? If you don't want to answer this question, give a reason for it.

Seriously - NO ONE that is voting me was able to answer whether they think I'm Cebrerus or Reaper? Can you all just do it or say you don't know so I can actually do something useful? Please, and thank you.

Jack, can you please stop OMGUSing everyone that suspects you? Please and thank you. THIS is what I have the most problem with regarding your play this game. Plus, your whole game start looked like scum tao dancing around accusations. You're doing anything you can to have people off of your case. It's annoying if it works throughout the game and you are scum, cause you've been saying things regarding me that are outright lies.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dizzy

You're asking a lot of questions that have been answered. Glad you're back but you'll be more convincing if you catch up first. You can ISO me for a recent summary I gave MP and start from there if you have to.

Then answer them again, they are not hard. I do not believe Nifty and Nut has gotten those questions before. I do not have the time to get caught up with the game, that is just reality for me right now. I'll spend my time go look at what I find interesting, and if I ask questions that are simple to answer, I hope town will be cooperative enough to actually answer them instead of just say that it's been said before.

Here is what you said about me a while back:

Dizzy hasn't been interested in catching scum, imo. They've floated from lynch train to lynch train, seemingly happy to lynch anybody. I've had Dizzy down as LMS but wasn't too scared of the LMS roles since they are relatively weak. LC's flip and the above reasoning behind Epi being neutral means Dizzy can't be a LMS. This means Dizzy is town or scum. I'm not seeing Phenon town Dizzy. I'm seeing coasting. I'm seeing "tunneling". I'm seeing no gambits. I'm seeing few gifs. I'm seeing no hunting. This leads me to believe Dizzy is mafia. With 8 living town roles and 5 of them identified and 1 living neutral role that is also identified, there are only 3 good guys of all the players I don't know. If I assume you or Nutella or Sprityo or MP are town, that makes Dizzy look even more likely to be mafia. I want mafia gone most of all.

You claim:
1. I'm coasting ang seem happy with any lynch train/happy lynching anybody.
2. I'm tunneling (directly contradicts the first statement).
3. You find my play here unlike that of Phenon? Oh shocking. The game I put myself at the center of discussion and actually had time playing. I'm offering you, Jack, as if you are in fact town, a golden opportunity to go look at my scum game I JUST PLAYED here and tell me if you are seeing that. You using Phenon as an excuse to go after me is terrible, I had a very unique position from early on in that game.
4. Are you freaking serious about the gifs.
I'm pretty sure you've insinuated I wanted cred or something from whatever scum lynch you think I'm on a team with. If I had wanted credit I'd be shouting for their heads loud and clear. Like it or not, I've identified and helped lynched two scum. You can say I'm not a big presence which is my own fault, but that is not my scum game (nor my town game), that is me having a life outside of here. You are pulling in all sorts of crap to make your read on me and THAT looks super bad on you. If you are ever town I want you to look at my wagon, and see who started following you on your scum read on me. There's been players who's been calling ME opportunistic. And this is where my patience ends, where I start going sour and just care less about who wins or loses this game. Which is a dumb way to play, but right now I don't care all that much. You should go through Nifty's and Nut's interaction btw. If you're Reaper they will be a threat to you. You're welcome.

1. Sloppy fishing.
2. Nifty and Nut are scum, almost certainly cerberus.
3. I guess Reapers are up for grabs, but Jack is a good candidate. I will look through SVS's progression on me, cause that looks severly opportunistic to me from mind, even though I've been reading her town on the surface. I guess you and Adam would be the most likely to be town.

This is appropriate. But I want a conversation going here. Don't waste your life like I may have done.

@Nifty, Any reason you're not casting a vote right now? You seem to know where it should go.

1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13

1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12

1 kill
1 kill
2 kills
1 kill
...

2 Cerb
2 Reapers
1 Geth
6 town

This may get ugly actually.

Do the people that insist I'm scum say I'm Cerb or Reaper btw? Would appreciate an answer to this for planning reasons.

nutella wrote:I take it Fred is silenced

Lol. He is like the one person I would expect to actually listen to me. Well, next day I guess.

nutella wrote:Dys, in case it wasn't entirely clear, I did vouch for Nifty because I did get an extra shot that night, and no I wasn't expecting it. I waited for him to bring it up to confirm that it was him, so since he brought it up I believe he must be that role. So he is cleared. That was like, so yesterday. You caught up on the facts now? Also, you're bad. Sorry but that's just how the game goes.

I know all this, which should be evident from my posts. Don't pretend you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm saying you two are lying. Why wait? If you got an upgrade he is telling the truth, no other role can do that. Why do you think he chose you of all people? He didn't seem to trust you. Why is he now refusing to answer questions? Why is he trusting you? Why has he become less active after being "pretty much confirmed" by his own admission? These are all rethoric questions for the other players to consider. In case it wasn't clear, I'm not wondering. I'm town, you may actually think I'm not, but I am and my flip will validate all I've said for reasons, and me being lynched is not such a sad thing for that exact reason. So good luck with that.

CaptainNifty wrote:You've been relatively inactive, I've been pretty much cleared. I don't owe you an explanation for anything. I'm going to either vote you or SVS, I get that you guys overhear don't like claiming, but the fact that you ignored the claims altogether is crazy. Gut-reads, POE, scumhunting are all great tools, but you and SVS have completely ignored those things.

If I'm reading things correctly it looks like Thane went after Wilgy. Any other explanation I'm missing for the two kills?

Seriously though. What is your basis for saying this? And why am I put in a group with SVS like this? Show it, don't tell it.

@Nutella, Talk to me.^^

@SVS, Can your claim be proven? I'm unclear on that.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dump it. You're wrong. I'm Legion.

Aren't we all? But cool, can you vote Nifty?^^

CaptainNifty wrote:You've been relatively inactive, I've been pretty much cleared. I don't owe you an explanation for anything. I'm going to either vote you or SVS, I get that you guys overhear don't like claiming, but the fact that you ignored the claims altogether is crazy. Gut-reads, POE, scumhunting are all great tools, but you and SVS have completely ignored those things.

If I'm reading things correctly it looks like Thane went after Wilgy. Any other explanation I'm missing for the two kills?

Are the questions uncofortable for you to answer? If you have nothing to hide it shouldn't be a problem. I will be damned if the rest of town would be so blind as to not listen to what I have to say. Tell me more about the "pretty much cleared" and what you mean by those words. I'm especially interested in who you targeted other than Nut, if you really want to prove yourself. And you should answer all the other questions I already gave you. Why so uncooperative?

For information, I'm not really from "over here", I've played three games here. I'm used to claiming and not claiming depending on the setup. I'm definitely more used to games of this nature than I imagine many regular players here are, and I've designed these types of games myself. I have not ignored claims at all, but they do nothing for me unless it's fool proof or overwhelmingly likely. We do have those claims, so no worries. Since you are concerned with claims, what do you think of SVS's claim since you are painting her scum with the same brush you do with me it seems? For the record I'm very unlikely to role claim this game as it's basically pointless.

Actually, Vote Nifty

And why the fuck, excuse my mouth, am I a strong lynch candidate now? Because Jack has been omgusing everyone who has been after him? Or just because I've been gone? Would like the voters to explain with their own words. I'm cool with being lynched, I don't really have the time to play mafia right now so it's rather convenient. I will flip town though, but if there's time for a town flip and you all really feel you need to then fine.

@Jack, If you really care this deeply you can go read the scum game I just played on this site (Currents) and tell me if you see a match. I'll be awaiting your finds eagerly.

Remember that time when I said that if Nifty turns out bad than Nut should be suspect number one? And then this:

nutella wrote:Cool no death!

Now I need to sort out my thoughts for this lynch Several players I'm iffy on (Nifty, Wilgy, Jack, SVS) but nothing really confident.

nutella wrote:

CaptainNifty wrote:

nutella wrote:Cool no death!

Now I need to sort out my thoughts for this lynch Several players I'm iffy on (Nifty, Wilgy, Jack, SVS) but nothing really confident.

Really, you're iffy on me after what I did for you?

Not anymore.

And then Nifty asks if Nut didn't get a message from the mod, which Nut never answers and it isn't brought up again. But Nifty brings up Nut vouching for him.

@Nifty, What is the reason you're trusting Nut? And what was the reason you were targeting her in the first place? D1 you first mention her saying you have no feelings from her what so ever, and then she later is one of the people at the bottom of your rainbow. Later (D3?) you say everybody had a major scum read on Nut, which I ask you about cause I didn't have the same impression, and then you say you'll find where people said it (which you never did). There's very little interaction between you other than this. Until you target her of all people for you action. Who did you target this night?

@Nut, Where you surprised to be targeted for Nifty's action?

I think you guyz be lying. Tsk tsk.

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I'm tired of reading Jack's posts, so I want to scum read him for that. It would be better if he is town and I'm right though. Probably doing well with this antagonizing. \o/

Anyway:
Cerberus:
Nifty
Nut

Reapers:
MP
Raven or Jack probably

TonyStarkPrime wrote:

Adam wrote:I am currently thinking MP and Dizzy should be the next two lynches. Someone feel free to contradict me.

MP claimed something that can basically be confirmed. Dizzy for sure, I want to keep MP around.

Wait, when did this happen?

Oh hai thread. I've kind of forgotten about this game with Easter being all rahrahrahfamilyrah.

I have like 4 votes for what reason?

I have a snarky question, a real question and a piece of information.

@Jack, Am I still LMS after the LC lynch? =)

@Nifty, What made you target Nut specifically for your action? I want everyone to think about this.

Also, I'm voting MP. I have very good reason to believe he is not town. You all should do the same.

To everyone voting me, please write a little story down about why. I may or may not answer, but it will be fun for later.
Will skim what I haven't read now.

S~V~S wrote:Show of hands~ does ANYONE think Jack is a civ?

Not a chance, and I'm not really guessing. =) Voting Jack

Celebrating tonight and will catch up tomorrow.

Don't have much time now. If I die don't let Jack go without answering for himself. Where have I lied? I haven't lied about shit. You claiming I don't care who's lynched. LOL. Don't forget MP in the game.

Sorry if I come across pissy, but I kind of am lol.

@Epi - I hope you decide to play for town. I will give you cookies.

@Nifty - If you actually are who you say you are you should definitely try use your action on someone this night. Don't know much it's possible to plan it or not.

Also, it's my birthday today, so don't kill me and give me presents.

S~V~S wrote:I did not realize we had two potential silencers (and on both of MY suspects, lol).

At this stage, not sure where I am gonna shift to though.

Linki@MP~ I don't have reads on most people, you know I don't really play that way. If I had to make choices, I feel better about Wilgy than LC, I feel better about you than Nutella, after today Dizzy went a bit into the red for me. When I looked back at Jacks posts and saw that he had not posted (I thought) today, and Dizzy asked me about it, she said, first, Oh yeah, I did notice he was voting a lot, like it was something she had not connected to being silenced, but then she said, but he did post today. And she was right, once after the NP, I did not notice it since it was the post right after the NP. So she noticed that his one post was today, but did not connect the way his vote was moving all over the place?

So those two things did not go together for me.

I think I talked myself into *Voting Dyslexicon*

Linki @Epi, he "feels" bad to me, I just think he's bad. Not sure why other people do.

This is one of the strangest vote justifications I've ever read. What exactly was I supposed to connect or not connect? Explain this better.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Moving to Dizzy in an attempt to create another wagon. I think I trust S~V~S enough and I have no immediate recollection of a read on Dizzy which is concerning, despite my spotty activity. I know, this vote isn't great.

-_- Then let me remind you. Pretty sure you stated a towny read of me D1. This is a really bad look for you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Dizzy does not appear to be hunting at all. Several times, Dizzy's been like "I'm okay with lynching *three people*." Dizzy's voting behavior also indicates no preference for lynching or saving anyone.

Likely LMS type role. Almost too easy is all.

Excuse me, but I detest this comment. I may not be hunting in a way that you would do or you would want, but I am most certainly hunting and quite frankly I feel I'm doing well with it. You bet your bum I was willing to lynch three people, and I'm still willing to lynch at least one of them. Hello, before Silver was lynched there was still 7 non town players in the thread. What shade is this? Explain to me how being willing to lynch multiple people indicates no preference for lynching or saving anyone. Actually, this is an outright lie, I've explicitly said I did not want to lynch Wilgy or Adam, but I did want to lynch you, Nifty and Silver. Not idicating a preference. Gurl bye.

The only thing you can say is that I was gone large parts of D2. I don't have the time to be around all the time and I specifically didn't want this game to revolve so much around me for personal reasons. Maybe you are town and maybe you're upset I've been after you, actually you may be regardless of alignment. Remember when I thought Speed was scum for reasons I could not explain all of Phenon? This is the feeling I have with you. I explained my read on you at least briefly. You of all people do not get to call my suspicion OMGUS and you do not get to call me a liar.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Oh yeah. One more reason Dizzy isn't town and likely needs to go.

Dizzy tried to lynch me in spite of my silencing, arguing that my silence was a trick that essentially put me out of sight and out of mind.

However, ctrl+f "Jack" on the previous page got 37 results and I was tied for the most votes on me at the time.

Not sure if Diz was trying to set me up as part of the silencing or if they were just trying to get rid of one of the few players that suspected him but either way, I like lynching liars.

What are you even trying to argue here? What did I lie about supposedly? I was willing to lynch you this phase and that had nothing to do with you being silenced or not, but I'm not a player who's going to back off just because someone is silenced or someone is feeling bad or someone has an exam or whatever. When people started discussing that you might've been silenced they were moving off of you. Explain my lie. Don't throw shit like this around. Seriously annoying.

Long Con wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Dizzy does not appear to be hunting at all. Several times, Dizzy's been like "I'm okay with lynching *three people*." Dizzy's voting behavior also indicates no preference for lynching or saving anyone.

Likely LMS type role. Almost too easy is all.

Nah. I'd lean more toward that's Mafia Dizzy, but I don't really know Dizzy's playstyle that well. From this post, I would be looking hard at you, Jack, should Dizzy ever turn up bad. And vice-versa, I guess.

Lulwut. Me and Jack are literally the last people who would be teamed in this game. Explain how I'm mafia, LC, if you want to go that route.


Also, lol at the Dizzy is 3p accusations. I get that almost every game because of how I come across. You can all freak out about that later, and hopefully I'm dead by then.

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Town: Fred, Nut, Wilgy, Adam, Sprit

Under evaluation: Jack, LC, MP, SVS, Raven, TSP

Scum: Nifty

3p: Epi

Niiice.

Just here to see the lynch. Someone was voting me close to EoD out of nowhere, wtf was that? Will read what went down in the morning. Anyway, good lynch. Good night.

TonyStarkPrime wrote:So are we thinking Silver was silenced or just is absent? He doesn't have a vote up.

Good point about the vote. Dunno.

nutella wrote:yeah, looks like he hasn't. ugghhh. I would usually feel bad voting for someone who's silenced and can't defend but in this case I'm confident enough about Silver that I don't think he'd convince me anyway... and I don't feel as confident in a vote for anyone else at this point. I'd feel like shit if I end up wrong about him though.

I suppose I could entertain a vote on SVS for a reason or two, but I'm still working out that suspicion.

linki again: I believe Nifty's claim, I think?

Why do you believe his claim?

I'd be willing to lynch any of Silver, Jack or Nifty.

@Nut, What are your thoughts on Nifty?

So... ?

Has Silver even posted this day phase?

sprityo wrote:Of course that'd only be true if we had both lived.

You had BTSC with Dom?

Fredwood wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:Did anyone else get Nifty's claim and why he targeted Fred?

Anderson grants an extra use of a limited ability. He targeted me because A: I'm as close to a confirmed townie as you can get and B he wanted to prove his innocence to me.

Unfortunately I guess there's a lost in translation, or misunderstanding between him and the mods between stripped of powers and vanilla. It's a strong enough claim that I didn't want to push too hard on it before hand, and at some point, it's possible he can be verified. I still don't like a lot of the voting he did and how he did it, but for now Anderson is a strong claim for me, especially when we have a much better option I think.

It's the last part I don't really buy. It doesn't seem logical to assume that he would be able to devanillarize you. Also I would assume any player to clarify how their role works. I want him to explain it again. I guess he's welcome to prove himself though, not sure how. Hi.

Anyway, if there's proof Sprit is Reaper I'll vote there. Actually I could be fine voting a lot of people lol.

Did anyone else get Nifty's claim and why he targeted Fred?

@Adam, Got confirmation all roles are given randomly.

Vote Silver

I don't love the Adam or Wilgy trains. Nobody seems interested in Jack, so now I want to vote with him.

@Silver, What are your reads as this point? I only recall you talking about Jack.

Omg Jack, no uuuu!

Dom should've shot Jack.

@Wilgy, Juicy.

@Nifty, To be clear, your claiming Anderson and targeting Fred?

@Adam, Maybe you're right about the teams, but I don't think it's wise to make assumptions on this without mod confirming, but that's me.

S~V~S wrote:Yeah that was the etiquette where I first played, and I carried it with me. Sometimes people DO pretend to be silenced, but more often than not they don't, especially if they are taking suspicion. I would rather wait a day than lynch someone unable to respond. But as you say, you do you. I feel archaic for feeling that way at times

I've noticed players on CK being rather polite in the way they play. Having a rule of not voting or killing new players the first day etc. It's admirable for sure, but I'm a mean girl and I do what I want regardless. Jack was taking a lot of heat and now he seems to be forgotten. I will tunnel him, mostly because I really want to be right about him.

@Wilgy

S~V~S wrote:I think he's silenced becasue he's voting and not posting. It is more common than not for silencing to NOT be announced. But after I voted him, he moved his vote from Adam to me, then when I saw his last post was before the night post, and unvoted him, he moved his vote OFF of me. Either he is silenced or he is pretending to be silenced, but in either case, being unable to ascertain which, I prefer not to vote for him if he cannot respond.

Yeah was just going to say is it just me or is Jack moving his vote around a lot. In any case my logic is regardless of if he can't respond or is pretending to not be able to respond or will respons later or whatever that doesn't change his alignment. So I'm still voting for him, but you do you I guess.

Long Con wrote:ImmortalRaven no, the fakeslip is Wilgy pretending to accidentally post something to the thread that was supposed to be posted in his baddie BTSC.

Why are you reacting to that NOW? I took it as a joke.

Adam wrote:Long Con
Dyslexicon
Immortal_Raven
JackofHearts
Captain Nifty
gfishfunk

I may or may not be missing other votes for Epignosis after his Geth reveal, I kind of hate how you can move your vote around the poll without there being any record of it.

But I guarantee you Cerberus is on that lynch.

I also am very confident at least one Syndicateer is Cerberus.

Who else voted for Epi that I missed? Nifty mentioned there were 5 votes when he threw down, I don't know if that includes all 5 from above or not.

I only voted for Epi because LC did it *points to LC* I'm innocent! But seriously, I hadn't even read what was going down. I don't think LC is Cerb actually. All the other three I could see.

@SVS - I don't see a confirmation of Jack being silenced though, also he already posted this day so he's probably not. In any case I don't think that would be alignment indicative for him, do you?

Open question: How normal is it for info to be leaked through the write up? I'm not used to that, and I don't know the ME games, so I'm not getting a lot out of the write ups and not sure I should?