The Syndicate

[quote="Ricochet"]Ok, here are some hot takes. I'll start off with the narcissistic ones, but it'll get better afterwards:

26) Please to answer: Sokoth, who did you make immune from votes on them counting?


Actually I don't think that anyone I set up with a save was in danger in the end.

Scotty was one of the first ones.
I know I did Silverwolf a few times thinking they might get taken out. Then of course when I shifted that vote away I think she got axed.
JJJ twice
Those are the only ones I remember. I know I forgot to use it a few times in there too. But I dont think it saved anyone.

Fascinating Game. A bit Chaotic as a first exposure but I enjoyed it.

No Hard Feelings Wilgy, just playing the game. 8-) I may have very well missed some of your questions these last few weeks trying to keep up with things but I posted what you made me feel. Well played all together.

Great game everyone. 8-)

Apparently in my haste I forgot to do the vote. I corrected that today, hopefully not too late.

@DrWilgy - I do believe I've made every effort to answer your questions, over and over. Stop sounding like a broken record. You got a few wires crossed in there I think!

And because I'm not sure when I will be back on here later, I will throw out my vote.

John Cavil - Because the head of the snake needs to go!

So Say we All!

Sorry, this last few days has been busy for me. I'm transitioning between jobs right now so my time is somewhat limited. I do apologize.

per the Admiral's request. here are my suspicions for whats potentially left for a Cavil aligned team.

John Cavil - Because John Cavil!

DrWilgy – Because they’ve given me no cause to think otherwise yet.

G-Man – Earlier on in the game they had a very nonchalant response to another toaster getting lynched and you’d think they would have been more excited over that. But that stood out to me.

Polo – I believe Polo I is also a Cylon I just cannot for the life of me decide if they are good or bad. I know were winding down on possibilities but I’m leaning towards Cavil aligned. My notes essentially go with his behavior back when this whole thing about claiming and my back and forth with DrWilgy.

Sorry guys for not being here for the vote I was out and about today and couldnt be home in time to participate.

G-Man wrote:So say we all!

2) Juliets voted sideways for Sokoth Day 9, which I wasn't crazy about but at least she voted for someone I'm suspicious of. I want her to be civ because she's Hot Dog. If she's civ, Cavil can't risk NK'ing her without potentially killing one of his minions. For that reason I say juliets is civ. I think Nero is civ as well because he put Cavil in the brig. Night 9 was the time for him to screw the civs over and make himself an easy target if he was going to. Cavil would have killed someone and we'd have lost a day to little discussion as we lynched Nero. Spacedaisy seems like she's trying to fit in, which is what a baddie Final Fiver would do. I'll double check her posts but her thoughts and opinions have felt soft since she rezzed. Baddie on her.



Now for lunch and some ice. Back in a bit.

Your post here got me thinking about something though, why kill hot dog if a cylon and aligned with Cavil? It could have been an unfortunate accident of not knowing they were part of the final five or they may not be aligned with Cavil and part of the final 5. Just a random thought that popped into my head while reading your post in regards to Juliets/Hotdog.

So say we all!

1. Clearly state how and when you think the revealed John Cavil should be dealt with.

As a team, we should decide if we should go after him quickly or go after him at a later date. I've seen that the thought is that the others in his group need to be eliminated up front before taking him out. Perhaps his resurrection was a stroke of luck. But were assuming that despite being brought back alive that there was not already duplicates of him lurking. So we have the danger of wasting a lynch or taking out another Cavil. So this is a tough call in my opinion. I will adhere to what the whole wants to do here.

2. Clearly state a stance on each of the three remaining resurrected people: juliets, Nerolunar, and Spacedaisy.

Juliets - Good
Nerolunar - Good
SpaceDaisy - Baddie.

3. Make a recommendation to me, your Admiral Adama, for any way you think I can improve the job I'm doing with these addresses or any orders I can issue to benefit our cause.

Nothing at this time. I believe the admiral is doing everything that is best for the fleet and the remainder of the colonies.

DrWilgy wrote:@Sokoth don't tell me how to play, and if you want me to get agressive then I'll be lynching you. You still have yet to comment on anything outside the realm of your suspicion on me. I asked you very specifically on 2 other players and you have ignored them.

SokothQultuq

Go ahead and lymch me then Sig. Stop talking about it. You too OA.

While I feel bad about those who are argueing or have argued for my lynch on what feels baseless, the order of scumminess is this Sokoth, Sig, BR, Daisy, OA and DrumBeats (least scummiest).

In regards to me asking everyone for a duel. Why did I see no comments on it. Did I miss it? Enough people want to lynch me, so at least give me this.

Duel(8)

post 1 -

So Say We all -

Good Ridden to bad rubbish as far as our Former "President" is concerned.

@Wilgy

See there ya go again. Doing it all over again. I'm not telling you how to play, I'm just saying your really really stuck on having this argument. And I'm not, I've made up my mind about you and you for some reason cannot seem to stand it, its grinding your gears!

If anyone here is showing signs of aggression its yourself. Self Preservation I suppose. But you keep getting more and more angry each post. I've stated my peace. I have given reason enough on why I believe you are what you are. You just keep reinforcing it by continuing this line of crap you keep throwing out and because of your reactions it seems to me to be exactly that. Crap. I'm not being anything but perhaps passive aggressive. You just keep feeding the fire.

I told you what you need to do to get off my radar. But you seem determined to stay right there. And it seems I'm not the only one who's noticing. Why are you so defensive about my opinion? Why are you being so aggressive? You certainly are not making any effort to move on and prove me wrong, you just keep proving me right. You seem to have an equal amount of support on both sides of the fence from what I've noticed. I'm just not in the "He's good Camp" sorry.

And the band plays on!

DrWilgy wrote:@Sokoth don't tell me how to play, and if you want me to get agressive then I'll be lynching you. You still have yet to comment on anything outside the realm of your suspicion on me. I asked you very specifically on 2 other players and you have ignored them.

SokothQultuq

Go ahead and lymch me then Sig. Stop talking about it. You too OA.

While I feel bad about those who are argueing or have argued for my lynch on what feels baseless, the order of scumminess is this Sokoth, Sig, BR, Daisy, OA and DrumBeats (least scummiest).

In regards to me asking everyone for a duel. Why did I see no comments on it. Did I miss it? Enough people want to lynch me, so at least give me this.

Duel(8)

post 1 -

So Say We all -

Good Ridden to bad rubbish as far as our Former "President" is concerned.

@Wilgy

See there ya go again. Doing it all over again. I'm not telling you how to play, I'm just saying your really really stuck on having this argument. And I'm not, I've made up my mind about you and you for some reason cannot seem to stand it, its grinding your gears!

If anyone here is showing signs of aggression its yourself. Self Preservation I suppose. But you keep getting more and more angry each post. I've stated my peace. I have given reason enough on why I believe you are what you are. You just keep reinforcing it by continuing this line of crap you keep throwing out and because of your reactions it seems to me to be exactly that. Crap. I'm not being anything but perhaps passive aggressive. You just keep feeding the fire.

I told you what you need to do to get off my radar. But you seem determined to stay right there. And it seems I'm not the only one who's noticing. Why are you so defensive about my opinion? Why are you being so aggressive? You certainly are not making any effort to move on and prove me wrong, you just keep proving me right. You seem to have an equal amount of support on both sides of the fence from what I've noticed. I'm just not in the "He's good Camp" sorry.

And the band plays on!

CRAP! By minutes....

ObscureAllure wrote:Oh so now you guys listen about Wigly. :eyeroll:

So say We all because in my Zelous desire to post I forgot this. LOL

LOL I have been a long time ago. LOL Just no one seems to see it. And he talks a good game. I'm just waiting to see something that says he's not bad and i've not seen it yet.


Woops... I think thats like post 1 and 2...

Now this one is 3.. Yeah...


To drop the name of the game as requested: John Cavil

I went and seen Warcraft last night.. That was awesome! Which is why I wasn't here at all yesterday. Work, Movie, Bed... it was worth it.

DrWilgy wrote:So say we all.

Ugg... I had a bigger paragraph but it was eaten...

Sokoth, why have you, for the most part, been addressing the crowd instead of me? Then, when you do address me, you don't reply to my response. Why?

Constantly going on about me from the 3rd person and not responding to me tells me this: You aren't ever planning on reading what I've stated nor have you had intention of actually reading me different. You aren't going to reevaluate and you are going to stick on me till one of us dies. You are stuck in a loop where you are feeling 100%. Here's the catch, civs aren't 100% and this constant tunneling is far from what I would consider civvie like behavior. Why have you been swapping through "Wilgy may be a Cylon", and "Wilgy's a bad cylon"? Explain this inconsistency to me, for it's over my head. Why did you ignore my comment about Sig? A major factor of your case on me was "Wilgy survived funny so he must be bad". Do you know why Sig survived afew days ago? Why is that not suspicious? Your thoughts on him were "haha idk how to read you", when based on how you've been reading me, it should be "Until someone explains how Sig survives we should lunch him". What about Epi? You left him as good based on lore, yet he's a cylon. How does this add up when several others have noticed that lore is being broken more and more oftenly?

EVERYONE!!
I'm tired of this charade between Sokoth and I. This phase can Sokoth and I have a 1v1? You vote either me or him? My dance partner hasn't been responsive, steps on my toes, shows inconsistency and double standards, and addresses me in the 3rd person all the time instead of talking straight to me (which is rude considering he asked me for this dance).

Also... Looking back on SVS. I don't think she was lying about trying to get caught. She dropped several hints that (looking back now) should've been hard scumtells. Based on this and my previous gut feeling I think it would be more wise to ignore Cavil.

Do we still need to number posts?

Oh... @Sig I recall you stating that my reason for voting SVS was weak. Plz recall that I commented on OA's thoughts before the SVS wagon was a thing.

Guesses on a current Scumteam combo:
SVS, Nutella, Sig, Sokoth, JJJ? Does that work? Maybe SVS, Nutella, Rico, OA, and Daisy...

Duel(1)

Wilgy,

Yes I have been reading your posts however I am not convinced. I feel like your on the defensive ever since I started claiming that you were a cylon and even after the realization hit me that you actually are. Now weather you are good or bad, I'm still leaning towards bad because your reaction and action just continues to reflect that to me. Someone who had nothing to hide wouldnt be so defensive in my opinion. So essentialy I have read your reactions and posts and just continued on because I feel like your just being reactive. I'm still watching. My opinion could change, but I strongly believe that your not of the good cylon persuasion. If I'm proven wrong in the end I will admit it and feel sorry that you've passed on but I have to go with my gut on this and say that I feel your bad. You've shown me no real good cause to think otherwise yet. I'll be watching. Its what I do. LOL

You can continue to post your opposition to my opinion or you can change my mind by your actions. Or we can continue to argue. But it will be a one way street because I wont encourage such things. Show me. Stop trying to tell me!

juliets wrote:So Say We All!
I don't think we have to number posts anymore.

Ok Sokoth I'm going to try one more time.

1. My point has nothing to do with Wilgy or any other person in the game besides you or anyone you've given a read on.
2. Back when you were arguing about claiming you gave reasons for doing so. The reason I remember most was at the end when you said you were just testing the waters (you already acknowledged this in one of the posts we've had in this sequence). Here is an example:

Spoiler: show

SokothQultuq wrote: One thing you will come to understand about me in the future is that I do stick to my convictions when I believe I am right, or until I'm shown I'm wrong. But I need more than just a one line explanation that it has a benefit that I see as weak at best. I agree that saving a life is important but sometimes that's just not enough for me, I test the waters. Get more information. Clearly no one else is going to step up and make a better argument so I will fall in line as you've asked.

So in this quote you gave your reasons, one being you stick to your convictions until shown you are wrong and you were testing the waters or getting more information.
3. Right before the end of the lynch you made this comment:

Spoiler: show

SokothQultuq wrote:Post 4?

You guys keep asking me to lay out something that I've already laid out, your either not reading what i'm saying or your ignoring it in order to cause some sort of controversy. So here I'll make it easy.

Its my understanding that claiming ones self to be a Cylon while being a non-cylon meant if you got Lynched you died.

4. You are saying here that you believed that claiming to be cylon while being a non cylon meant you died if you got lynched. Why did you never use this reason back when you were arguing about not wanting to claim? If you really believed that, it would have been normal to mention that reason when you were making your argument. Instead, all you talked about was what I mentioned in point 3. So did you not mention it because you are cylon and it didn't apply to you? Or did you think about it later and add that reason? And where did you get the idea that if you were a non-cylon and claimed you were a cylon you would get lynched. The Law that introduced the concept was very clear it applied to cylons only.

I think I've laid this out chronologically in a way that is understandable. Please respond when you get a chance.

Yes, I do believe you have. And your right I misunderstood your earlier posts. LOL

To answer your question my intention was to claim all along as I said I was testing the waters to see what reactions would happen based on my not claiming and outright voicing that opinion. In that second quote of yours where I am stating "Its my understanding that claiming ones self to be a Cylon while being a non-cylon meant if you got Lynched you died." I was trying to get clarification to solidify my position.
Basically ensuring that I was right on that but no one wanted to step up and say Yes. It wasn't so much that I was avoiding it, but didnt think about it until I realized that he survived that lynch. And the question to how came to mind, and it dawned on me that he claimed. Didnt die. A human player would have if I'm not mistaken. Because only Cylons were to be saved by that policy.

Post 3 -

Nope, I'm sorry you've got me lost more now I think. I thought you were asking for the posts in which I mentioned my suspicions. Perhaps I was not clear enough in those. Perhaps this will help both of us.

I spent the better part of a Cycle feeling people out trying to get more information and reactions from people to see how they were reacting to my refusal to claim. Testing the waters to see what would happen. I got what I was looking for.

DrWilgy did the exact same thing at the end of the cycle that I had already done, refusing to claim and only doing so in the end to Save his Skin. When the votes hit, he was alive. Someone else was dead. This was a clear indicator to me that he was a cylon, and based on his pulling that stunt at the end and essentially repeating what I had just done meant he did it either intentionally or he didnt read anything prior to that point before starting with the same exact shenanigans that I had already done testing the waters.

His subsequent posts and my realization that he didn't die just nailed the coffin shut for me that he was a Cylon, and a bad one.

This is my stance and he's really not given me any good reason not to suspect such.

Does this help you? More clear?

Wooops... that was Post 2... LOL

In response to Ricochet.

by Ricochet » Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:26 am

SokothQultuq wrote:
DrWilgy. I've clearly stated my reasons in my previous posts. Go back and read them if you want an explanation and try and explain away what I've seen. No one has offered to explain how you survived that what was it Week 5 Lynch?


For the second consecutive post of yours, you either have no real grasp on events that happened, such as Wilgy surviving his Day Five lynch, or you're intentional grasping at straws to suss him.

SokothQultuq wrote:
Black Rock – Good
Dex – Cylon/Bad
Drumbeats – Good
DrWilgy - Cylon/Bad
Epignosis – Cylon/Good
G-Man – Cylon/Bad
InsertNameHere – Good
JaggedJimmyJay – Good
Juliets – Cylon/Good
Matt – Good
Nerolunar – Cylon/Good
ObscureAllure – Good
Polo – Cylon/Bad
Rabbit8 – Good
Richochet – Cylon/Bad
S~V~S – Cylon/Bad
Sig – Good
SpaceDaisy – Cylon/Bad


So let's filter this.

1) Out of 18 players, you named 10 as Cylons. Counting the original numbers (out of which two number 8s) [8] plus the Final Five [5], that's 13 Cylons, out of which we know that three have died. So you hit the right number on how many Cylons could still be alive in the game. That's, at least, perceptive of you.

2) It gets trickier in how you align them. Out of 10 Cylons, you read 7 of them to be bad. So that's 7 baddies you think are still in this game. We've only gotten rid of 1 Cavil-aligned Cylon, so far. So I take you can only imply there's a mafia team of 8 or two teams of 4. Mind you, this is only Cylons, according to you. This is either, again, a perceptive if very gloomy read (because, if there are 7 mafia players and 12 other players left in the game, we are close to near fraked) or a bloated read without much grasp at realistical proportions or a mere invective towards the Cylons as a whole. I mean, almost as a whole, because, well, see below...

3) The only Cylons you don't read bad-aligned are Epignosis (who is Athena, alignment unknown), Nerolunar (Saul Tigh, town-aligned upon death) and juliets (Hot Dog, alignment unknown). Here I have to ask why. This reads to me like cozy good-reading based on who the characters are (a Cylon that allied with the humans; Nerolunar whose alignment is shown; a pilot who fought against the Cylons and has an ability that could affect the Cylons) and nothing else. What makes 3 out of 10 Cylons good and the rest bad?

So your numbers are real sketchy, I'd say.

END OF POST #3. Reads will commence in the others.


I can understand where you are coming from however I was asked to give a read on people, and I did. Right or wrong. Those are my feelings based on observations. I understand that we may be stuck with a specific amount of "Good" and "Bad" Cylons in the end but the game is not over, and this is where I stand on those who I believe are Cylons until I see otherwise. And so far I've been pretty spot on. No one has given me any good enough reason not to suspect those people as bad. When I see something or read something I very well could change my opinion, unless your telling me that my Gun To head Read is not allowed to be changed now?

I agree, the numbers are sketchy for now. But hopefully I will narrow it down as we come to a close.

Post 1

juliets wrote:

G-Man wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Forgot the vote needs its own line.

Black Rock

And this vote puts me in a quandary. I'd like to stick to voting for one of my bad reads. Both BR and SVS are among those reads but they are my #4 and 3 respectively. We need to stop spreading the votes around, so voting my top two seem to be off the table. I just don't think BR is going to have much traction but I also want to spend some time reading up SVS's progression on bea in case that makes me feel any better or worse on her.

This is post #5.

I am likely to vote Sokoth if that helps you any. I read through his posts twice and didn't see the explanation he gave above which he says he's already given.
Post #8

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and vote now
Vote SokothQultuq

Post #8

Ok. Here you go, here are two instances in which I explained my reasoning. Oh, and asked for people to help clarify how he could have survived the lynch and no one said anything. Either because my post/question was ignored or was too insignificant for people to care to answer. Must be why you missed it as well. In all actuality I think someone might have taken a stab at saying something but I cannot remember if it was helpful or not.:

(June 1 @ 8:12 PM)
So I've been slowly trying to pull together my opinion on peoples alignment even prior to the Admiral asking us to do so and put in work. I'm not very good at this yet but I have some opinions that I can share that may or may not align with everyone else. But here is where I am at so far with the remainder of us.

Bea – Good
Thought I have only seen and remember a handful of posts from Bea I’ve not seen anything that stood out that made me think this person is bad.

Black Rock – Good
After reading through the majority of Black Rocks posts, they really are not telling of anything bad to me. Mostly supporting the whole which says “Good” to me. Voted DrWilgy and called them out for their posting which seems in line with my own thoughts about him.

DrWilgy – Cylon
I still feel that his sudden interest in disputing the “Cylon Declaration” thing was suspicious. I still do not understand why someone would go through the same thing I put people through trying to get information unless he didn’t read it and just randomly posted in. But this is suspicious to me. Not to mention his act of Claiming literally last minute on this. Then I believe there was a vote in which he was one of the top few, and that Act still being active, he wasn’t killed? No one was killed? Interesting if you ask me. As I understand it if a Civilian claimed and they got Lynched they were toast right? Why was this toaster not toast if not he a toaster? Suspicious to me.
So with 9 Votes on Day 5 he survived. The Runner up was LongCon and he perished instead of Dr. Wilgy. Suspicious enough to put me over the top on saying that he’s a Cylon.

Epignosis – Cylon but Good.
We know that Epi is Athena which by lore is a good aligned Cylon. Enough said here. I have no reason to see Epi Dead at this point.


May 24th @ 8:19

DrWigly – Suspect Cylon – Suspicious activity: After spending several posts going over and over the “Claim Thing” at the last minute he drops in and goes all Wishy Washy. First doesn’t wanna claim following the same track that I did quoting Morals I believe it was. Then turns around and at the last Minute… Claims… This didn’t sit well with me.

Post 4?

You guys keep asking me to lay out something that I've already laid out, your either not reading what i'm saying or your ignoring it in order to cause some sort of controversy. So here I'll make it easy.

Its my understanding that claiming ones self to be a Cylon while being a non-cylon meant if you got Lynched you died. Week 4's front runner was DRWilgy. He didn't die, the lynch moved down the line.
Why would a good cylon make such a fuss about claiming if they have good intentions or where on the side of the town, good, etc...? Answer me that question with a plausible answer and I'll reconsider DrWigly's alignment but not the fact that they are a Cylon, I'm glad you at least got that much.

Yes, until someone shows me unequivocal proof that Wigly's not a Bad Cylon. I'm on a wagon to put him in the dirt, in space, in a smelting vat. Lynchalicious the crap out of Wilgy. You can continue to try to deflect the accusation. Or you can try and provide me with something that sways my opinion. Your choice.

Until them my mind is set on Lynching DrWilgy because I think they are bad.

That was post 3... LOL

So here is where I stand with things.

Black Rock – Good
Dex – Cylon/Bad
Drumbeats – Good
DrWilgy - Cylon/Bad
Epignosis – Cylon/Good
G-Man – Cylon/Bad
InsertNameHere – Good
JaggedJimmyJay – Good
Juliets – Cylon/Good
Matt – Good
Nerolunar – Cylon/Good
ObscureAllure – Good
Polo – Cylon/Bad
Rabbit8 – Good
Richochet – Cylon/Bad
S~V~S – Cylon/Bad
Sig – Good
SpaceDaisy – Cylon/Bad

Post 2

DrWilgy. I've clearly stated my reasons in my previous posts. Go back and read them if you want an explanation and try and explain away what I've seen. No one has offered to explain how you survived that what was it Week 5 Lynch?

Please lay it out for us.

So Say we All!

Post 1 - I'm not going to pull any punches here, I'm dropping my vote now for DrWilgy. Based on my previous observations I'm confident that he's a Cylon.

Welcome back to those of you who have passed on and returned. Though we may have to take a hard look at you to decide if you deserve to stay among the living.


I shall post my reads shortly.

Sorry I didnt get a chance to vote, I passed out last night after my last post-a-thon.

Rest in Piece Bea, I'm glad I was right about you and sorry you got lynched.


I am totally game for a Dr W Lynch. I know some say he may be a Cylon and "Good" but I disagree.
Since no one has presented any telling evidence as to how he wasn't spaced in Week 5, I think that is telling enough to say that Dr.W is a Cylon. I think he needs to go!

Here you go.

Drumbeats – Good
I see we had the pleasure of sharing the Brig for a bit. LOL. So thinking and looking back on Drumbeats posts all I really see is a helpful person. Asking questions and pointing out things here and there as needed. I didn’t see anything that really shows a super effort on either part.

I did... ::Blinks:: Your right I did. Sorrya bout that. Saving the best for last? LOL Let me think on this for a bit and I will post something.

@Matt - In regards to Silverwolf/INH?

I think I'm brain farting here, but if INH is Silverwolf then I completely agree. There were several things that made me think that she was Laura Roslins character for this event. She made several comments that to me added up to that character. Like her comment about having cancer. If that was true in the respect that she was giving a clue it would match to the character. If that was a true statement about her personally then I read into the statement too deeply. Her emotional roller coaster kind of matches the personality too. Yes, I know this isn't RP based but even mixing in some of that background of the character into how she was posting it does make sense to me. I could be completely wrong but that is what stood out for me that made me think that Silver was a Human and not a Cylon in the respect of the game.

I hope that makes sense and helps.

and last but not least...

Sig – good.
Why can I not pin you down! I read your posts one day, and think wow. Bad! Then I read others and it sways me back to good. I cannot figure you out. I have to admit that. So I have to say Good until something stands out that is pointed. And so far I got nothing.

MovingPictures – Good
Uhh… when did they join? LOL I think I missed something in trying to play catch up perhaps but I cannot make a good read when they just got in. LOL So good for now!


Sorry that I don't go post hunting and quoting up a storm for you. If I had started copying/Pasteing stuff from the get go that would have been easier to do all of this because then I could potentially show you more directly where my feelings are coming from on these individuals. But this is the best I've got for the moment.

I am still open to some people and I can say that reading some of your points has swayed me on some people and made me think more about others which is good. But I know there is at least one person I'm certain needs to go down and that is DrWilgy unless you can tell me why he survived that vote?

And some more...

Polo – Cylon
The pusher. Polo was extremely intent on pushing the Claim back on Week 5 and oddly so. Yes to some this might look very “Good” but to me it screamed “bad”. Why? It was pretty over the top. The emotional outburst that came from this person was someone who was trying way, way too hard in my opinion. So I’m inclined to believe that Polo could very well be a Cylon.

Rabbit8 – Good
I’ve honestly not seen enough posts from Rabbit to gain an opinion. Some of the posts they made when they first jumped into the game were a little strange, defensive even but people sure were jump to slam on them when they got on. So Time will tell here. For now I have to vote good and give Rabbit the benefit of the doubt.

Ricochet – Cylon
After all the hub bub with both Polo and Myself going around as well as a few others. Then the crap with Dr. Wilgy, this person still refuses to claim as part of the “Greater Good” for the town. It might be jumping the gun but I’m more incline to vote to lynch someone who cannot see the benefit of going along with the plan that the majority of the group and town has asked. If hardly anyone had claimed then I can see sticking to ones guns. I do appreciate that you are sticking by your word but its suspicious to me so I think you are either a cylon or bad cylon sympathizer.

S~V~S – Cylon
SVS in my opinion has played all over the place, but what stands out the most to me is their defense of people who I am certain are bad. Namely Dr.W. What is with the stance on Cain? Leaving someone in charge of the fleet who will get us all killed just to whack as many toasters as possible and leave no chance for humans to survive. Yes it’s a Lore/RP aspect but an important turning point for what happened to Galactica and what remained of the Humans. To think Cain was not a threat, that is something I take issue with. So I’m leaning towards bad.

G-Man – Cylon
Seemed Pretty Nonchelant when Glorfi was sent to the cleaners which is odd to me to be honest. I would think you would be excited to see another potential Cylon outed and destroyed if you were town. I thought that was a little strange. Seems to be a supporter of the Wilgy is not a Cylon Camp.
InsertNameHere – Good.
Just recently subbed in so I’ve not really had a chance to build an opinion so I’m forced to provide the benefit of the doubt.

JaggedJimmyJay – Good
I don’t see how someone can go into so much detail and dive into people’s posts looking for suspicious activity to the level and extent JJJ has if they are bad. Why would you try so hard to actually out your opponents. His votes have been calculated and pointed. I do not believe that JJJ is bad.

Matt – Good
Though Matt had me believe earlier on in the game that he could very well be bad, as the game has moved on and some of the actions he’s taken although I admit strange at times have seemingly been in line with the greater good. He hasn’t been entirely too pushy when stating his facts, though they certainly have riled up a few people. I believe he’s doing things for the greater good.

ObscureAllure – Good
I’ve seen Obscure defend and back up their position more than enough times, and I’ve also seen them throw reads on people which indicted or implicated some of the same people I find suspicious. Why would they throw their own people under the bus if they were a Cylon. So My knee Jerk reaction to Obscure is that they are good.

So I've been slowly trying to pull together my opinion on peoples alignment even prior to the Admiral asking us to do so and put in work. I'm not very good at this yet but I have some opinions that I can share that may or may not align with everyone else. But here is where I am at so far with the remainder of us.

Bea – Good
Thought I have only seen and remember a handful of posts from Bea I’ve not seen anything that stood out that made me think this person is bad.

Black Rock – Good
After reading through the majority of Black Rocks posts, they really are not telling of anything bad to me. Mostly supporting the whole which says “Good” to me. Voted DrWilgy and called them out for their posting which seems in line with my own thoughts about him.

DrWilgy – Cylon
I still feel that his sudden interest in disputing the “Cylon Declaration” thing was suspicious. I still do not understand why someone would go through the same thing I put people through trying to get information unless he didn’t read it and just randomly posted in. But this is suspicious to me. Not to mention his act of Claiming literally last minute on this. Then I believe there was a vote in which he was one of the top few, and that Act still being active, he wasn’t killed? No one was killed? Interesting if you ask me. As I understand it if a Civilian claimed and they got Lynched they were toast right? Why was this toaster not toast if not he a toaster? Suspicious to me.
So with 9 Votes on Day 5 he survived. The Runner up was LongCon and he perished instead of Dr. Wilgy. Suspicious enough to put me over the top on saying that he’s a Cylon.

Epignosis – Cylon but Good.
We know that Epi is Athena which by lore is a good aligned Cylon. Enough said here. I have no reason to see Epi Dead at this point.

So Say we all!

Rest in Peace Dex.

Well that was fun watching you guys go back and forth for a couple of days while I got to hang out in the brig. I keep missing something, and I'm not sure what but it got me in hot water with the boss man. Some interesting going on's while I was in there though. I see that something may have been missed while I was chilling in the no speaking zone. I will be certain to bring that up in my future posts. Perhaps it was missed or perhaps I missed something. So yeah. Onward!

I'm going with my gut on this one.

I'm voting Dr. Wilgy

S~V~S wrote:Hrm, that first quote should have been from Sokoth, not Silver, the "Huh" not sure how I did that.

I'm just not sure about you, that's all. Have not gotten an opinion formed as to what side of the field your playing on.

Now that I'm all caught up too.. Wow... Some words were had. That was interesting.

Ok, so I promised I would post some of my information. It's not much. You can take it with a grain of salt but here is how i see things.

A2thezebra (F) – No Suspicion Yet, leaning towards Civilian - Sure Seems to Like Glorfindel, fought that earlier Lynch like nobody’s business. Spends a lot of time trying to get Sig Voted. And Vompatti. Is continually repeating “Don’t lynch me because I’m town.” LOL. I like that. I may use that from here on out.

Bea (F) – Not really sure yet.

Black Rock (F) – Not really sure.

Dex – No idea yet. No reason to say bad or good - Was outright against any vote on DrWigly but didn’t really say why only insinuate a “Hunch”. Really wanted to vote for Rico, Glorfindel , and Obscure in the last vote.

Drumbeats - No clue...

DrWigly – Suspect Cylon – Suspicious activity: After spending several posts going over and over the “Claim Thing” at the last minute he drops in and goes all Wishy Washy. First doesn’t wanna claim following the same track that I did quoting Morals I believe it was. Then turns around and at the last Minute… Claims… This didn’t sit well with me.

Epignosis – Cylon – We know this already. We also know that she is “Athena” which by Lore is a good Cylone so I have no Qualms about leaving her alive. So I have no reason to vote for her.

Glorfindel - Leaning towards good – Though some passion behind some of the posts, seems like a straight shooter.

G-Man – Not sure.

JaggedJimmyJay – I’m leaning towards bad. It’s hard to say why but my gut is telling me that 3J is bad. I still have not been able to put my finger on why yet so you can take this one with a grain of salt.

Marmot – Not sure.

Matt – Leaning towards good but not sure yet – Matt has been a force for what seems like the entire game. He’s had his hands in just about everything. Not really as a leader but as a pusher. Often pushes the agenda hard. I’m not so sure that he’s a Cylon but more see him as a Human baddie. If I had to guess his role in the game I would throw out names like Tom Z and Gaius. I can say that most of the agenda’s he’s pushed have been in the right direction for the town as far as I can recall. Though rather pushy about them,

Obscure Allure (F) – Not sure yet. You confuse me a lot. I feel like you go back and forth just over the line both ways. So Its hard to say.

Polo – Leaning towards bad. – Though I appreciate how you tried to help me understand you were overly enthusiastic about it and that makes me feel like you were trying too hard. It leaves me with suspicions and an eye to watch.

Ricochet – You also make me unsure. You too seem to sway back and forth over the line for me so I've not gotten much of a gut feeling on you either.

S~V~S (F) - Huh?

Sig – Leaning Towards Good – Pretty solid posts, I’ve not seen or remember much flippity floppity of the suspicions without explanation. My feeling is that Sig is good.

Silverwolf (F) – Town/Civ – I believe that Silver is a civilian and if one of her earlier claims/outbursts earlier in the game has lead me to believe that she’s a civilian and I believe her to be a specific character. But without prior knowledge of Silver I cannot be certain but I have not seen anything that really pulls my attention toward her being a Cylon or even a Friendly Cylon.

Vompatti - No really sure yet what to think.

Einstein – I got nothing yet.

Like I said, its hard to read people with no prior experience on how they play the game so you know what to look for. I go with my gut a lot and I'm looking for inconcistencies but with all the extra white noise its hard to say if I'm on or not. LOL There you go a small peak into the gold old Crazy Klingons head. ))8-)

Well Epi, I'm glad you brought up the Demise of Cain and the now abolished Martial Law. I was starting to think people were going to be stuck on that for a while.

I like that pronunciation it was pretty close.

So what would you like to hear? I've been putting together a little something but I'm not yet ready to post it. Since I've had plenty of time to think about a lot of this and observe you all. I think I'm about ready to drop something more solid than the few little things I've done so far. I've also taken some examples from you guys and how you seem to be posting your suspicions so. Probably tomorrow as I do have work early. So Once I get home I'm going to drop some knowledge. Probably wont be much different than some of you but we'll see.

But if you want to know something specific let me know.

I will leave with this. After the last minute squabble over the claiming especially in light of what I did I still find that flip flop highly suspicious. But its hard to tell if they genuinely want out of the game with the " Dont care" attitude that was lumped in there. Oh and then a flip and sudden surge of posting which was counter intuitive to the attitude displayed shortly after we tried to Lynch them. That is something I'm going to go back over and reread that progression because it bothers me.

So yeah, if you want to know something specific from me let me know. I'll post some "reads" on people tomorrow. I'm sure it will be anticlimactic from the noob. LOL

Golden wrote:Hello all.

Due to having a very busy time of it, I'm well aware that I haven't been quite as well keeping up with things like official voting orders and sanctions for failure to admire the admiral.

I just thought I'd let you all know that... I have not forgotten. I'm keeping notes of the things I need to catch up on. And I will be catching up soon

That's scary...

Silverwolf wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I think it is a valid reasoning, even if you do not. Even in games where you are using alternative playstyles, you still show up and tend to be somewhat of a thread leader rather than otherwise. It seems to me that you were wallflowering to me My reasoning is my reasoning, and I am sorry it displeases you, but it works for me.

And even having read every post you made up until you started taking votes just this weekend, I don't recall a single opinion you have held.

I have also said that I am going to take Dex' word for whatever he saw, but I am also not going to apologize for or backpedal from how I felt before the lynch. So can you please dial back the aggression a tad?

Aggression? I don't mean to be aggro (sorry if it seemed that way).

A Wilgy cheatsheet:
Strongest opinions, Sig, BR, and Sokoth placed a vote on me after I stated that I was a toaster. This makes little to no civ sense considering their vote would be negated. Why use your strongest power as a civ, your vote, in a position where it wouldn't count.

Strong opinion, Sig's reaction to me taking his side against Epi vs me voting for him on behalf of Scotty was not what I expect out of a civillian Sig.

Medium opinion, OA and Silver are not on the same team. I believe they have been working together now for 3 cycles rather strongly. I don't think Mafia would allow for both of them to still be alive if they were on the same team.

Weak opinion, those defending me are likely civilian. Mafia have nothing to gain out of defending me since i'll flip cylon anyways + at the rate we are going a lynch on cylon Wilgy will probably be easy.

Things I'm looking for: BR and Silver's feedback regarding the events of last night and the content I created. Also, any opinions regarding my thoughts on Sig.

Linki - Not that I would no sadly. If he's soul reading me as civilian I appreciate it, that and the above opinions are all I got.

I agree sig's reaction to your claim was bad. I'd be wiling to pressure sig. I'm not civ reading him by any means. Don't assume mafia wouldn't defend you right now. And don't assume civs that were going hard after you before wouldn't be doing so now as well.

I don't like how Black Rock and Sokoth came in here and placed a vote on you and peaced out with not much else to say after you already claimed. I would like for both of them to explain why they voted you after you claimed. It makes little sense and the better move would be to vote for someone else they suspected.

Actually if you go back and read the post where I did vote for him I gave my reason. I thought it was pretty sound.

Essentially either he didn't read anything I posted previously and the back and forth between me, Polo, Matt, and Long Con I believe it was regarding voting. he turned around and started the same exact thing I did. Why would you do the same thing after all that? It felt suspicious to me, so I rocked the vote in his name.

I think I'm hearing a broken record again... Didn't I already try this angle with the whole "I don't understand, so I'm not going to claim bit." I find that odd that you would likewise go that route DrWigly, this feels like your either doing this on purpose or are not caught up. The responses given are a bit weird too in my opinion.

I may not chime in often but this seems very strange to me. Especially in light of what I did.

I'm afraid I'm going to cast my vote for DrWigly as well.

a2thezebra wrote:Glorfindel is confirmed town.

Why do you say that?

Matt wrote:Several have thrown around the theory that Cavil can recruit...

Questions...

1) Do we think Cavil would be able to recruit any Cylons or just the "bad" ones?

2) If the answer to the first question is "any", what is the likelihood of Cavil recruiting a Cylon that the town has near unanimously named as a def civ?

Discuss.

If that were the case how would he go about recruiting without giving away his character base? Would this person basically be playing the game with an agenda that is entirely political much like the character would or would the individual just be someone who is pushing an agenda vigorously which would match the base character they are playing? See this is the part that confuses me some. We each are given a character with a specific personality which were supposed to somehow portray but without role playing it. The only thing I can think of is that if the person was true to the base role they would be a front runner and a voice similar to that which was the character in the show. But without a role play aspect how do you judge what character a person is? This confuses me. LOL I'd like to think that I've identified at least one person by previous comments they made that align with a character but how am I to know if that is real or if it was a play? That goes to prior knowledge of the person I suppose outside of the game, which someone like me would have no clue unless I want to spend Hours and hours going through old games they played, which I'm not going to do. LOL

Observing people and they way they interact or push agendas does tend to lead to a decision but how do you identify them as the role they are in so you can vote. Is it all about catching someone in a lie? Hoping they might say they are going one way and then flip flop?

This is a lot more difficult than I expected. fun, but confusing without some solid base. I can see how new people to this game could get very confused and have a hard time getting used to this game style.

You pose good questions, I suppose nothing would prevent them from staying good or going bad. It depends on what the circumstances are that convince the player either way. If they play to the actual role of the character based on Lore I think we know the answer just by looking that up and or watching the show. Otherwise its up to the personality behind the curtain.

Polo wrote:

Matt wrote:Nobody likes my theory on why juliets died, which is totes cool I know I can be a little out there, so a question...

Does anyone else have a theory as to why juliets died?

Also, I don't think this has any relevance, but just to put it out there...

C6 = Caprica Six?

Here:

Golden wrote:Resurrection Ship

Adama immediately ordered regular sorties. Kat and Hot Dog may be sent on a mission to one surrounding sector every six hours. If they encounter a resurrection ship there, they will destroy it. There is also a chance that one of them may die in battle.

Yeah, I was thinking that it was bound to happen. That either a player had the choice of countering the move we made at some point and a random encounter was inevitable and we would loose someone or it was a roll of the dice. But Goldama did warn us there was a chance that they could die on one of the sorties.

Polo wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:

Matt wrote:Honestly I don't know how much I can say before Goldama punishes me.

Oh jeezus, now I sound like OA.

Basically, I think I may have been tricked behind the scenes. That's all. Derp.

Linki - Vote the Klingon! A sure bet!

Matt your too easily excitable. If it makes you happy, you can vote for me and start a band wagon to lynch me. Go for it.

Here just for you

I am a cylon.

Just so you can be sure and satisfied so that when it comes around you can lynch me proper. Have a nice day. 8-)

I thought Vermin Supreme would be POTUS by the time you said that.

LOL - Like I said, I was just fishing for more reasons. You made your argument and stood by it. I can appreciate that. I was just hoping more people might chime in and give an opinion. I don't like doing things that I see have holes in them unless I'm sure or others can convince me that the holes are worth the risk, or give me more to solidify the positions. There honestly is no gain to not claiming. I just wanted to see what reactions I got, and if there was more information to gain. The information was the same, but it gave me a pretty solid look at how you, Long con, and Matt deal with these things. Though i admit messing with Matt was fun and might be more so in the future when he gets uppity about something. Anyhow, the show goes on. If I get Lynched for it, I'm ok with that. Its a learning experience all the same for me.

Matt wrote:Thank you, Sokoth, I believe that claim will be accepted.

Updated list of non-claimers...

a2thezebra
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Glorfindel
OA
Ricotech
Vompatti

No problem. 8-)

Now I just need to figure out who I'm going to vote for next. You guys make this a challenge.

Matt wrote:Honestly I don't know how much I can say before Goldama punishes me.

Oh jeezus, now I sound like OA.

Basically, I think I may have been tricked behind the scenes. That's all. Derp.

Linki - Vote the Klingon! A sure bet!

Matt your too easily excitable. If it makes you happy, you can vote for me and start a band wagon to lynch me. Go for it.

Here just for you

I am a cylon.

Just so you can be sure and satisfied so that when it comes around you can lynch me proper. Have a nice day. 8-)

Long Con wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:

Long Con wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:I get the general idea yes, but what I don't see is a clear incentive for me to claim to be something I'm not when In my mind the logic does not sit right on why. I've said this a few times now.

If we all claim, sure that's awesome, the agenda is complete. It Nullifies the presidents law. I get that.

That is a really good thing to do. If you don't see that, then I don't think you DO get it. If we don't nullify the law, then the result will very likely be that a Cylon will escape their lynch and a Civvie will die in their place. Do you not see how that is not merely undesirable, but is actually really really bad?

But whats to stop the next? Or a new law of amnesty?

Nothing, but this plan has nothing to do with what future laws might be. Optimistically, I'd like to believe that no more similar laws will be chosen by the President, given that this one was met with severe displeasure by most.

Ok, so if we all claim no one can claim again. I get that. But if we don't how is that different? Polo has stated that it Stops a Civi/Townie from dying. How if were voting for the right people?

Setting up a second and third in line is a good way to pad our losses, in case things go wrong. It stops a Civ from dying thusly: if we are lynching a Cylon who has not used their amnesty, the next player in line gets lynched. Because most baddie teams have BTSC, it makes it that much less likely that the second in line will be a baddie will be lynched.... because they'll be ready for the claim, and have arranged a non-baddie into second place by working together. OR the baddie in second will also claim. Down the line until a Civ lynch result.

Do you see what I mean? I think about this and perhaps my problem is that I'm over thinking it. But it seems to me that no matter what happens it can be countered, or it does not matter. Then again I have spent more time defending my position and trying to get something more as far as a reason to vote then if I had just said "I'm a cylon" but I would rather not because I don't see any benefit beyond "It Might save someone" the argument can be said from both sides.

Does that make sense?

It does not make sense to me. I costs you nothing at all to make the statement, and everyone making the statement will prevent bad guys from stopping their lynch and substituting a good guy.

What benefit are you getting from refusing to claim? What advantage are you thinking you get?

The only benefit I get is staying true to me, trying to find a good reason to do what every is doing and asking of me to do as well. I see holes in the argument where you guys think this is sound and a slam dunk. I've only heard 2 or 3 off the what 25 people chime in other than to jump on this claim band wagon.

What is my advantage? There is no advantage honestly since I'm not a Cylon. You three seem to think that it will keep someone who shouldn't be getting Lynched from this fate. That is the strongest argument I've seen from you guys. I appreciate you trying to explain this I was just honestly hoping for more than what has been said.

I hope your right in this and that it's not going to still result in something else worse happening in the future be it by law or something else going wrong.

"I am a Cylon!" there you go, the claim has been made.

One thing you will come to understand about me in the future is that I do stick to my convictions when I believe I am right, or until I'm shown I'm wrong. But I need more than just a one line explanation that it has a benefit that I see as weak at best. I agree that saving a life is important but sometimes that's just not enough for me, I test the waters. Get more information. Clearly no one else is going to step up and make a better argument so I will fall in line as you've asked.

Ok, and I really hope you don't think I was trying to "bully you" or make you do something that is counter to your convictions. I just see the all-claim as the most sound, logical plan, and I really do not understand a single reason anyone has said for not claiming. I'm just presenting my version of the logic in as straightforward a way as I possibly can. If you, or anyone, can take any of those points and give a good rebuttal and prove it faulty, then I'm totally open to the discussion.

Not at all, I was hoping for more information that is all. No one was willing to give it. It was honestly my intention of doing it at some point but I was hoping for more than just the "It will save a life." that is important to me. Don't get me wrong, I was just trying to get more people to chime in to give me more than just that as a reason so I didn't feel like I was jumping on the band wagon. So you were right I was only being half genuine. I was fishing for more information while staying true to my convictions. 8-)

Matt wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:

Matt wrote:I don't believe saying "I am a Cylon" in quotes is an official claim. Without the quotes, please.

Huh. Should I post it in red, bold, 24 font for you as well? perhaps a special font?

You're bad. Please vote him town.

And some people are never satisfied when they get what they ask for.

You sure that will do it? Just posting it without the quotes? I want to make sure because Its pretty much right there, written out for everyone to see that I claimed I'm a cylon. You can even quote me on that. 8-)

Epignosis wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:

Long Con wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:I get the general idea yes, but what I don't see is a clear incentive for me to claim to be something I'm not when In my mind the logic does not sit right on why. I've said this a few times now.

If we all claim, sure that's awesome, the agenda is complete. It Nullifies the presidents law. I get that.

That is a really good thing to do. If you don't see that, then I don't think you DO get it. If we don't nullify the law, then the result will very likely be that a Cylon will escape their lynch and a Civvie will die in their place. Do you not see how that is not merely undesirable, but is actually really really bad?

But whats to stop the next? Or a new law of amnesty?

Nothing, but this plan has nothing to do with what future laws might be. Optimistically, I'd like to believe that no more similar laws will be chosen by the President, given that this one was met with severe displeasure by most.

Ok, so if we all claim no one can claim again. I get that. But if we don't how is that different? Polo has stated that it Stops a Civi/Townie from dying. How if were voting for the right people?

Setting up a second and third in line is a good way to pad our losses, in case things go wrong. It stops a Civ from dying thusly: if we are lynching a Cylon who has not used their amnesty, the next player in line gets lynched. Because most baddie teams have BTSC, it makes it that much less likely that the second in line will be a baddie will be lynched.... because they'll be ready for the claim, and have arranged a non-baddie into second place by working together. OR the baddie in second will also claim. Down the line until a Civ lynch result.

Do you see what I mean? I think about this and perhaps my problem is that I'm over thinking it. But it seems to me that no matter what happens it can be countered, or it does not matter. Then again I have spent more time defending my position and trying to get something more as far as a reason to vote then if I had just said "I'm a cylon" but I would rather not because I don't see any benefit beyond "It Might save someone" the argument can be said from both sides.

Does that make sense?

It does not make sense to me. I costs you nothing at all to make the statement, and everyone making the statement will prevent bad guys from stopping their lynch and substituting a good guy.

What benefit are you getting from refusing to claim? What advantage are you thinking you get?

The only benefit I get is staying true to me, trying to find a good reason to do what every is doing and asking of me to do as well. I see holes in the argument where you guys think this is sound and a slam dunk. I've only heard 2 or 3 off the what 25 people chime in other than to jump on this claim band wagon.

What is my advantage? There is no advantage honestly since I'm not a Cylon. You three seem to think that it will keep someone who shouldn't be getting Lynched from this fate. That is the strongest argument I've seen from you guys. I appreciate you trying to explain this I was just honestly hoping for more than what has been said.

I hope your right in this and that it's not going to still result in something else worse happening in the future be it by law or something else going wrong.

"I am a Cylon!" there you go, the claim has been made.

One thing you will come to understand about me in the future is that I do stick to my convictions when I believe I am right, or until I'm shown I'm wrong. But I need more than just a one line explanation that it has a benefit that I see as weak at best. I agree that saving a life is important but sometimes that's just not enough for me, I test the waters. Get more information. Clearly no one else is going to step up and make a better argument so I will fall in line as you've asked.

LOL The funny thing is I knew you would post something like that. Thank you! That gave me a good laugh.

Matt wrote:I don't believe saying "I am a Cylon" in quotes is an official claim. Without the quotes, please.

Huh. Should I post it in red, bold, 24 font for you as well? perhaps a special font?