The Syndicate

Thank you guys for the kind words. I really appreciate it after this game, because I doubted myself a ton on this one tbh.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

LoRab wrote:Quin fairly blatantly stated that his vote was forced. As compensation, we got an extra force of a vote.

Ohhhhhh. I'm at least happy I was right in that it wasn't an item or some other secret role. I'm not used to dealing with situations like this that come up with the no info-dumping clause so I never would have thought of that.

Also, sorry to all townies that I couldn't handle endgame better - but it is very hard when most of the active players are dead and based on the information I had, it seemed to me like TH was bad.

DrumBeats, I hope you didn't take offense when I called you a clown. I really meant nothing by it at all, I hope you can see.

I took no offense because I knew you were mafia just trying to discredit me, which you did a fantastic job at. No hard feelings at all there.

LoRab wrote:Quin fairly blatantly stated that his vote was forced. As compensation, we got an extra force of a vote.

Ohhhhhh. I'm at least happy I was right in that it wasn't an item or some other secret role. I'm not used to dealing with situations like this that come up with the no info-dumping clause so I never would have thought of that.

Also, sorry to all townies that I couldn't handle endgame better - but it is very hard when most of the active players are dead and based on the information I had, it seemed to me like TH was bad.

Also, Dom, what happened with SVS's vote then? Was it not forced or was it an item or something?

Also, thanks for hosting Dom!

Very well played Epi/LoRab/Scotty.

First off - Sorry SVS and TH for being wrong about you.

Secondly, I'm dumb about bringing Scotty back. DFaraday gave me a rubber band and it reflected an action on me the night before TH voted bea, so I thought that was the action. Turns out it was the nightkill on me that was redirected onto Scotty. Shit I'm sorry I dropped the ball on that, but 4/5 in endgame isn't bad. I just wish I pieced it together sooner. Great game everybody.

Third - I was Todd. Hence trying to set up the lynch on myself or Epi at the end.

Great - we lost. Well played Epi and Lorab.

Scotty wrote:I'm not liking DB's threat here. I voted DF

NO VOTE ME PLEASE

DFaraday, feel free to switch your vote to me for self preservation. I believe your role will be more beneficial to the town than mine.

Scotty, I think I haven't died because the mafia can easily discredit my arguments as they have been doing. It's very easy to dispose of my arguments as the ravings of a madmen, because they've been unpopular arguments the entire game. I have been a very popular suspect this entire game, and I think they believe they can still discredit my suspicions and pull off a mislynch on me.

I can keep arguing my opinions here, but I'm a bit on the busy side today and don't have time for that. It doesn't seem like I can convince any of you, so I'm going to lay down my final thoughts as to who our scumteam is and hope that either you guys help me finish off the scum, or that Phyllis, Andy, Toby, or some other role here can salvage this game after you lynch me.

Epi and I should be the only two lynch targets for the day, because I fear that my ideas can only gain some legitimacy with my death, and I am relatively sure that DFaraday is a civ as well. If we're going to lynch a civ here, let's make it one that for sure cannot help salvage this game if we lynch another civ and that will leave you all with much better info after death. I nominate myself for that, mostly because I know I can't salvage the game after a civ lynch here, and quite frankly if somebody does, I don't want to have to bash my ideas into a wall again to have nobody listen. The only way my ideas here will gain legitimacy is with my death, or if Epi flips scum. So lets make one of those two things happen.

I think our mafia team is the following: (In order of how confidently I believe that they are mafia)
Espers
Epignosis
SVS
LoRab
Enrique

(? Possible Turnip Head Conversion ?)

Here is my case on each of them:

Espers - Flipped mafia

SVS - You've all seen this case. I'm not going to repeat it again.

Epi - Tried to tie up the espers vote in order to save him. After pursuing INH relentlessly for multiple days, Epi's suspicions flip on a dime to bea and I because it is the wagon that can save espers.

LoRab - Also on the bea wagon. Has been defending Epignosis constantly, and refuses to give situations in which Epi appeared civ. Also voting for DFaraday, which is an incredibly opportunistic vote, given where my vote lies.

Enrique - If I am right about Epi and LoRab, enrique makes the most sense to me to be scum. Remember the silencer defense on LoRab that popped up in the middle of the game randomly? Only four people in the game have claimed to be silenced: Espers, Epi, LoRab, and Enrique. If all of the first three are mafia - Enrique is likely the last one. Save him for last though, because this suspicion is entirely based around the other three being mafia, and he is the most inactive member.



There you have my cases on them all. Epi and I are not on the same team and I am almost positive of that. Vote for one of us, because the mafia clearly had selected DFaraday as their preferred mislynch. I know that I personally cannot salvage the game if we vote out a civ this phase, but DFaraday might be able to so idk. If I can't convince you guys that Epi is obvious mafia, then I'm willing to bite the bullet because clearly I've done a shit job the whole game if a case this obvious cannot be pushed from me (and honestly I kind of have anyway regardless, but hey, I lynched a mafia so...)

Have a good day everybody, I'll hopefully see you tomorrow night, but if not, then just please try to salvage this because clearly I can't.

@ LoRab - You can keep pulling the "You've been wrong so i don't trust you opinion" all you want, but I'm one of three people (and two alive) who have actually been right and lynched a mafia. You tried to vote Bea out instead of Espers, so why should any of us trust your opinion here? I have admitted I was wrong about the several players that have no possibility of being scum (So sorry Matt, Splints, and Spacedaisy).

However there is overwhelming evidence that SVS is mafia, and you thinking that a civilian item distribution role had to be the cause of SVS's forced vote shows that you are also making your theories match your suspicions.

I've been rewatching, and Kelly would gladly become evil for Ryan. (At least at or before Season 5, where I am at right now) Kelly's entire character is basically the clingy girlfriend who will do anything for her obcession with Ryan. Conversion would not be far off. I'm not saying that had to be what happened, I still think it is a likely option.

You specifically said earlier that there were moments where Epi's behavior made you think he was good. Show us them instead of discrediting my opinion because I've been wrong a few times this game. Again, timer and I are the only two alive who have been right, so discrediting me for being wrong on things, which everybody else has been too, is weak. I get that you don't want to vote for your scumbuddy Epi, but if you want me to believe that you two are not scumbuddies, you have to do a better job justifying your civ read of him and your suspicion of DFaraday.

I haven't, and I just did say it is a possibility, but I do not believe it to be so. Why are you so certain that it is what happened? You have not acknowledged the possibility of Kelly being converted at all either.

All the mafia roles have been revealed and none could control SVS's vote that night (Jo could not have used her role the night before). This proves SVS is mafia beyond a reasonable doubt, because there would be no reason for a civilian SVS to place that vote and blame it on being forced if she wasn't.

Also, please answer the question about Epi right above the OT text in my last post. I want to know why you believe Epi to be civ.

LoRab wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:It was a MYLO situation imo. In a MYLO situation why the hell wouldn't anyone do that? It was a way he could win the game.

If you don't understand my "breakdown" of the event then you clearly weren't paying attention during it and are stubbornly pushing a defense of your scumbuddy. Your case on DFaraday is very weak, him voting to tie the votes after mine makes perfect sense imo after what happened with Quin. I don't see what world you find THAT to be scum indicative, but not tying the vote to save a scum member in a MYLO situation. I find your placement of a second vote on DFaraday on that weak of a basis to be odd. You are looking for a basis to justify a false suspicion of the only Epi counterwagon you can get an extra help vote on. Your vote is opportunistic and if it doesn't move onto anybody else (preferably Epi, but hey if you want to vote me go ahead) I will be highly suspect of you. Your vote was also on the bea wagon.

Also, you just suggested in that post that Kelly would convert Ryan to civ. That role would literally kill the game because Ryan would know who his fellow scumbuddies are. We know Ryan caused the Quin death, which needed to be planned with Jo, the vote forcer. They had to have BTSC - therfore Ryan could not have been seperated from the rest. No matter what Kelly could not have converted Ryan.

The two Kelly possibilities left are that:

Kelly and Ryan remains the same -
This would mean that TH knew who Ryan was before she died. Bea died last night, and there does not seem to be any way for a civ/indy to redirect it left in the game so Bea is almost assuredly town. The only other person TH brought suspicion to then is me. I know I'm not Ryan, but you guys don't. If you believe this route, you must believe that I am Ryan, so vote for me and not DFaraday.

Another option I'm thinking of too is if Epi is Ryan, and some part of the role made TH believe that Ryan was converted. I really don't believe this option is likely but I could see it being possible somehow due to Kelly's show behavior. If you find this more likely than me being Ryan, vote for Epignosis, and not DFaraday.

Kelly is converted -
This makes the most sense to me. It explains why TH acted the way he did. It would be balanced gamewise because it makes the mafia a 5-6 player team, which is a good reation in a 27 player game. I find this the most likely because Kelly did get drawn in by him way too easily throught the show, like remember when she broke everything off with Darryl for him. It wouldn't surprise me if she would hop over to mafia as well. If this is your believed case, then you should vote for Epi, and not Dfaraday.

I'm guessing you've never seen a game where there is a mafia member who is/becomes, essentially, a mole or a spy for the civies? If you haven't seen that, then I guess that you wouldn't understand my understanding of the likelihood of the Kelly/Ryan relationship, based on the sorce material. But I know that Dom knows that mafia can be recruited/become civs--mainly because I hosted him the first time he encountered that. So, I'm not discounting that possibility.

Your conclusions are based on your not necssarily true asusmptions. And I'm not just going to follow you. Nor am I going to follow you because you threaten me. I think you're wrong. I'm not going to step in line because, well, you weren't right last time and I dno't think you're right now. Your coming up with a bunch of explanations as to why, although you appear wrong, you actually aren't, doesn't help your case in my book.

I suspect DF. I have for a while. If you dn't agree with my reasons, then don't follow my vote. I don't play for your approval--I play the way I play and I have my own set of strategy. Yeah, I know, it doesn't make sense to a lot of folks, but it's been working for me for a while.

And don't insult my intelligence. I understand how the events of this game have worked. I just don't understand how you're using the word "breakdown"--the syntax is off and isn't making sense in context. Maybe if you try to use different words to describe what you're trying to say, it might be clearer. As of now, it seems as if your obfuscating facts to fit your theory and make everyone other than those who have votes seem suspicious.

The problem with it is that your vote allows for mafia to pile on as well and force us to lose the game.

I'll lay the case on Epi in one sentence that is seriously the most alignment-indicative thing possible in a game in this MYLO environment we have been in lately:

Epi stealth voted for bea on the last minute in order to try to save Espers, who is confirmed mafia.

As for my "factual theories" - They are all theories. But they are based on facts, and logical statements about what I've seen in the game. I have personally never seen a mafia to town converter, so I am skeptical of it. Especially with the mafia only having 5 players, and we know there are no more, excluding a possible Kelly conversion due to the roles presented in the OP:

25 roles/27

Michael and the Scranton Strangler are missing.

I was right about espers. I was right about SVS (also proven above). I was wrong about Matt. I may or may not have been right about TH. I am right about Epi. If we are in MYLO, we cannot stand divided as a town. My vote will not move, but I need yours to in order to stop the mafia from abusing this. Move it onto Epi, or move it onto me, but DFaraday is a wagon that mafia can and will pile onto simply because I have voted there.

And actually my bad on the "break down" thing I forgot what I was referring to when you brought it up last time, but I remembered what I was talking about. You said:

LoRab wrote:Honestly? I'm not sure. He seems arrogant with an aura of eff you to the players, but that's kind of how he plays generally (not a criticism or an insult, it's how he comes off in the thread usually, and I believe intentionally). Which makes him hard to read. There are moments at which he has seemed to be obviously bad, but then others where that totally breaks down. And more moments at which he's been a question mark.

What examples do you have in which that occurs?

None of this is intended to insult your intelligence at all and I apologize if it is coming off that way. I definitely think you're a very smart player which is why I'm getting frustrated that you aren't seeing any legitimacy in my points here, given that this phase could be game for us and I am relatively confident I have the game solved right now.

It was a MYLO situation imo. In a MYLO situation why the hell wouldn't anyone do that? It was a way he could win the game.

If you don't understand my "breakdown" of the event then you clearly weren't paying attention during it and are stubbornly pushing a defense of your scumbuddy. Your case on DFaraday is very weak, him voting to tie the votes after mine makes perfect sense imo after what happened with Quin. I don't see what world you find THAT to be scum indicative, but not tying the vote to save a scum member in a MYLO situation. I find your placement of a second vote on DFaraday on that weak of a basis to be odd. You are looking for a basis to justify a false suspicion of the only Epi counterwagon you can get an extra help vote on. Your vote is opportunistic and if it doesn't move onto anybody else (preferably Epi, but hey if you want to vote me go ahead) I will be highly suspect of you. Your vote was also on the bea wagon.

Also, you just suggested in that post that Kelly would convert Ryan to civ. That role would literally kill the game because Ryan would know who his fellow scumbuddies are. We know Ryan caused the Quin death, which needed to be planned with Jo, the vote forcer. They had to have BTSC - therfore Ryan could not have been seperated from the rest. No matter what Kelly could not have converted Ryan.

The two Kelly possibilities left are that:

Kelly and Ryan remains the same -
This would mean that TH knew who Ryan was before she died. Bea died last night, and there does not seem to be any way for a civ/indy to redirect it left in the game so Bea is almost assuredly town. The only other person TH brought suspicion to then is me. I know I'm not Ryan, but you guys don't. If you believe this route, you must believe that I am Ryan, so vote for me and not DFaraday.

Another option I'm thinking of too is if Epi is Ryan, and some part of the role made TH believe that Ryan was converted. I really don't believe this option is likely but I could see it being possible somehow due to Kelly's show behavior. If you find this more likely than me being Ryan, vote for Epignosis, and not DFaraday.

Kelly is converted -
This makes the most sense to me. It explains why TH acted the way he did. It would be balanced gamewise because it makes the mafia a 5-6 player team, which is a good reation in a 27 player game. I find this the most likely because Kelly did get drawn in by him way too easily throught the show, like remember when she broke everything off with Darryl for him. It wouldn't surprise me if she would hop over to mafia as well. If this is your believed case, then you should vote for Epi, and not Dfaraday.

LoRab wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:The main suspicion of him wasn't being TH's teammate, it was his jump in suspicion from INH to Bea, immediately when espers was about to be lynched. He then stealth switched his vote to bea on the last minute, which had a 50% chance of saving espers life. There's no way in hell that was a coincidence.

Most of your posts seemed to be about connecting them, but I'll have to reread to see what you mean. I do find it hard to believe tht Epi would be so obvious--in my experience he's a much better baddie than to be so obvious. What you describe doesn't seem to be what I'd expect from an evil Epi. He could be fooling me, but it's not the sense I'm getting. It just doesn't feel like FEB Epi to me.

You seem to be overly convinced of his badness, just like you were about TH. And you were wrong about TH. So, I'm finding it hard to trust your read on Epi because you were wrong on TH. And, in my own reading back, I'm more leaning towards DF being suspish than Epi being suspish. So that's where my vote is.

Consider that it was likely a MYLO situation and why the hell wouldn't Epi do that.


I'm still not 100% sure I was wrong about TH. Look at the role. TH had to find Ryan, a mafia. Until then, somebody had to speak in questions everyday - that hasn't happened in a while. I highly suspect a mafia convert occurring imo because TH's two suspicions afterward were false (one on bea and one on myself).

You claimed Lorab that some situations have made Epi seem to "break down" the fact that he is bad. Where? Give me situations because factually, Epi pushed INH constantly, then jumped with little reasoning to Bea and I, despite his prior persistence on INH. Then stealth forced a tie to SAVE A MAFIA MEMBER. Make a case on DFaraday right now that is better than that. Otherwise, I am going to assume that your vote on him is solely taking advantage of my own vote on him and that you are the next mafia to lynch.

Your opinions seem to align more against myself, as do Epi's, so I propose we make this lynch interesting. Let's all vote between Epi and I this phase. I could use some excitement

The main suspicion of him wasn't being TH's teammate, it was his jump in suspicion from INH to Bea, immediately when espers was about to be lynched. He then stealth switched his vote to bea on the last minute, which had a 50% chance of saving espers life. There's no way in hell that was a coincidence.

LoRab wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

LoRab wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I went ahead and put a vote on Epi for now to make sure we don't have another SVS/Quin situation. Although now that TH flipped civ, I need to reevaluate the players we have left for connections.

TH flips civ, and you vote Epi to make sure there isn't another early end day? I'm not sure I see the logic. And I'd think if the baddies were doing another Quin situation, they'd already have gone forth with their plans.

That said, I'm finding you increasingly suspish and I'm going to vote for you, for now at least. Since you seem to be up on voting early, you surely understand.

I voted early because DB voted extremely early with zero explanation, which is obviously reminiscent of the SVS debacle. If the vote hadn't been on me, of course I wouldn't have felt the need. You're seriously saying you wouldn't be on edge if someone immediately votes you with no reasoning in a game where someone instantly died as a result of that? Yeah, they probably would have done it already, but I was occupied during the 15 minutes or whatever between DB's vote and the time I saw it, so I reacted as soon as I could. I voted Epi because even though TH has been cleared, Epi still has been distinctly unhelpful lately, and I'm not at all convinced that he's good.

And if you have other reasons for finding me suspicious, please elaborate.

From an outsiders point of view, I see a difference. Dom posted the lynch post 16 minutes after SVS posted that she had voted. Your post was 22 minutes after DB's post. Sure, the same end day could be in play, but I don't see why the baddies would wit that much longer. Also, they used up that power, according to the roles. Do you know that they have another save? Do you have reason to think that they might have another save?

My base reasons of suspecting you haven't really changed from what I posted earlier. You made good post in defense, but baddies are more than capable of doing so. I don't think you're civ.

How do you feel about Epi?

Scotty wrote:Eyyyyyyyy it's good to be back, fellows! I'm just getting out of rehearsal but I'll catch up more thoroughly in a bit.

RIP bea, and holy cow, we caught a Mafia in espers! Yahooooo! We're gonna pull out of this. Makes me wonder if Michael has a rezz ability? Though that's pretty shotty if his ability goes to group vote.

DrumBeats wrote:Scotty, welcome back. What do you think about my case on Epignosis?


Also I'm voting DFaraday.

First and foremost, I'm not confident you yourself are not bad, but thank you for voting me in.
Secondly, I think it is a legitimate case. And I will reference to it in a bit.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:Scotty, welcome back. What do you think about my case on Epignosis?


Also I'm voting DFaraday.

Scotty told me your case against me is bad, and that you are bad, and you should feel bad. All in BTSC.

I actually have no idea what you are talking about. Why are you still alive in this game?

Activity and rationality are the two things we need most now - I know you supply both things.

Scotty, welcome back. What do you think about my case on Epignosis?


Also I'm voting DFaraday.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:I was likely wrong about TH is what happened. Might not have been because looking at Kelly's role she can get promoted when she finds Ryan. Ryan is mafia. She could have been promoted to mafia, hence why nobody has been talking in questions the last two phases.

I'm still relatively sure Epi is mafia, the instant case drop on INH to bea when Espers was almost lynched makes me confident there. And I'll keep pushing this no matter how many petty insults Epi throws at me for doing so.

You're arrogant and don't listen is what happened. You are bad.

For everybody else: TH said I was good. Go see. He had a way of knowing.

Stop letting DB lead you.

I was silenced by the way.

Says the one who literally is just throwing insults instead of trying to contribute rn. I feel like I have to lead things right now because just about everybody else is inactive to some degree. That's why I want Scotty back, another active civ to take pressure off my shoulders here.

TH's way of knowing is by finding Ryan. Ryan is bad.

I was likely wrong about TH is what happened. Might not have been because looking at Kelly's role she can get promoted when she finds Ryan. Ryan is mafia. She could have been promoted to mafia, hence why nobody has been talking in questions the last two phases.

I'm still relatively sure Epi is mafia, the instant case drop on INH to bea when Espers was almost lynched makes me confident there. And I'll keep pushing this no matter how many petty insults Epi throws at me for doing so.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:Or maybe TH was still civ, and Epi was Jan - the BTSC would explain why a civ TH would be so confident Epi was town. Idk. I'm also wondering if maybe TH did find Ryan, it didn't convert him, and found out Bea was Ryan. If that were the case though, I think TH would have been crumbling us more this phase rather than the idgaf situation.

You are a clown.

K thx for the kind words.

SECOND CHANCE VOTE HELL YEAH. Let's talk about this civs - Which dead players do we trust the most, both on a judgement level and on them being civ?

I for sure think that:
Elochin
Leetic
SVS

Should not return. All of them have a relative chance of being mafia because Eloh and Leetic died on the same night, meaning one was for sure not a scum kill. There has still been no explanation for SVS's forced vote and we have next to no roles left to reveal.

Personally, I think we should bring Scotty back. He was active when he was here, which is important. He died after Scranton Strangler was dead, which means that could not have been the cause of his kill. He died relatively recently too so he should have less catching up.

Or maybe TH was still civ, and Epi was Jan - the BTSC would explain why a civ TH would be so confident Epi was town. Idk. I'm also wondering if maybe TH did find Ryan, it didn't convert him, and found out Bea was Ryan. If that were the case though, I think TH would have been crumbling us more this phase rather than the idgaf situation.

Is it just me or looking at Kelly's role, does anyone else think Kelly finding Ryan converted Kelly to mafia? I don't recall anybody asking questions the last phase or two.

timmer wrote:I'm getting paranoid. Epig's tying vote is more damning than anything on TH. To me, he's the better choice. Something is starting to smell off.

Both are obvious mafia imo. I just have a theory that TH is Jo, so TH makes more sense to lynch first. Epi definitely should be lynched, but trying a flip now will only result in our votes being split and mafia last second voting a civ out.

timmer wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:@ TH - Because espers was still a number in a likely MYLO situation. It seemed to basically be save him and win for you guys, and tbh if he had logged on you would've succeeded.


@ timmer - no. This allows the mafia to all vote on one person and tie the vote again. We need at least 4 votes on TH.

Then let's all switch to Epig.

If we do this, one person won't be back to do it, and then we will have a split vote the mafia can take advantage of. We need 4 votes on TH, then the next phase we can get them all on Epi.

@ TH - Because espers was still a number in a likely MYLO situation. It seemed to basically be save him and win for you guys, and tbh if he had logged on you would've succeeded.


@ timmer - no. This allows the mafia to all vote on one person and tie the vote again. We need at least 4 votes on TH.

timmer wrote:Drumbeats, shouldn't we lynch epignosis, then, instead?

I don't deny the likelihood that both are bad, but Epig's move puts him a hair higher on the list, don't you think?

They're both basically confirmed maf. TH is very likely to be Jo in my opinion. So is a higher priority to lynch

LoRab wrote:My suspicion of Bea and DF stand, but DB makes excellent points about TH. I also know I have a soft spot for him and often don't recognize when he's being evil. I'll vote that way, at least for now. Especially because it's a short day and I actually have shit to get done today.

Sorry you're having a rough time, Bea. <3

I think the espers wagon all but clears bea. They wouldn't have made bea be the second target if not imo.

timmer wrote:So Epig is vouching for TH. Epig, I've seen you say that you are not Pam, etc. but is there anything you can say to explain your vouch of TH?

Scumbuddies ;D

timmer wrote:Here's a reminder about yesterday's poll, in light of espers being bad: (I've changed the numbers next to the votes to show the true lynch order, since so many deadies' votes in the real poll make it confusing)

bea
3
Turnip Head (3), LoRab (6), Epignosis (7) 20%

Drumbeats
1
insertnamehere (4) 7%

espers
3
DrumBeats (1), timmer (2), bea (5) 20%


One thing I notice... right before the lynch result was announced, DB posted about a "stealth tie vote" from Epig. Can someone clarify for me, did Epig vote to tie it up one minute before the deadline?

Yep, it happened on the exact last minute. Epi hopped from me to bea in order to force a tie vote, which we lucked out on.

bea wrote:Drumbeats. I get where you are coming from. I really do.

But then he says something like that and I start thinking it's not the best option. I don't want to cast doubt so much as be sure. Is it possible that what you think you know could have been corrupted?

Is it possible TH isn't the baddie you are looking for? If that is possible, where else would we look? Again, I just want to be sure we've explored everything. My time is super limited and I might not make it back till it's time to vote. I want to make the most informed vote I can.

I'm so sorry I've not been the player I wanted to be civs. It's so very not cool in my world atm. 2 members of my adopted second staff went to my boss yesterday cuz apparently I suck. I'm a bit emo and over worked and under rested and I've asked more of my staff to help the ungrateful new kids than I ever asked of them. Ftr my boss only told me because he thought I would laugh about it. But the truth is I'm pressed to find a time my feelings have been more hurt in recent memory.

Also sorry to hear about the stuff going on at work for you, I hope that everything patches up soon for you.

bea wrote:Drumbeats. I get where you are coming from. I really do.

But then he says something like that and I start thinking it's not the best option. I don't want to cast doubt so much as be sure. Is it possible that what you think you know could have been corrupted?

Is it possible TH isn't the baddie you are looking for? If that is possible, where else would we look? Again, I just want to be sure we've explored everything. My time is super limited and I might not make it back till it's time to vote. I want to make the most informed vote I can.

I'm so sorry I've not been the player I wanted to be civs. It's so very not cool in my world atm. 2 members of my adopted second staff went to my boss yesterday cuz apparently I suck. I'm a bit emo and over worked and under rested and I've asked more of my staff to help the ungrateful new kids than I ever asked of them. Ftr my boss only told me because he thought I would laugh about it. But the truth is I'm pressed to find a time my feelings have been more hurt in recent memory.

No it's not possible at this point. TH and Epi are basically confirmed mafia. Epi was hard pushing INH until TH made a counter wagon to Espers for him to jump on. He jumped no questions asked from a lead he has been pursuing for days. This is clearly a scumteam trying to use this to save their teammate. I am 100% sure of this, if I am wrong you can lynch me next idgaf because I know I'm right.

All townies need to vote for Turnip Head with me today. He tried desperately to save scumbuddy Espers in the MYLO situation yesterday.

Please don't let inactivity kill our chances of winning this town.

Turnip Head wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:Not bad, but cheers. You put up a great fight, and your game was solid imo

You've spent all game deriding my gameplay, but thanks for saying that

I don't feel like I did, and if so I never meant to. I believed you were more likely civ up until this day phase. That's good scum play in my book

Seriously though, if I ever said anything that offended you or anything, I am very sorry for that.

Turnip Head wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:I have reason to believe that Jo's role backfired last night on TH, hence the forced vote on Bea. TH then to make the case on me had to force a case on Bea in order to justify the forced vote. This is why the case itself on linking me and Bea was not solid, because it was based upon never getting to Bea's ISO, when I never got to a ton of ISO's, not just Bea's.


Probably sounds crazy but I have strong reasoning to believe it. I was right about espers. TH and Epi just hard-teamed to try to save Espers. Clearly they're both scum. We need to hit TH first in order to best preserve our future in this game, because I do not think it will backfire again.

You weren't right about espers. You knew espers was bad. You are on his team.

Either that or there's a Janitor-type role to manipulate the reveals. Espers didn't vote to save himself, I doubt his teammates tried to save him either. I know I sure as hell wouldn't have.

Lol, this is just funny right now. It was a likely MYLO situation. My guess is that there were 4 scum left, and solidifying that lynch on a civvie would have won you guys the game. Hence trying to save espers.

Lynch me dude, I don't care. If you're bad, you just outplayed me. I have zero fucks left to give

Not bad, but cheers. You put up a great fight, and your game was solid imo

OH SHIT

David Wallace's role was already revealed - the poll is not for a role reveal. Please vote for Michael Scott now. I'm afraid Wallace is going to get some kind of advantage from this vote, and I can't change mine.

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:I have reason to believe that Jo's role backfired last night on TH, hence the forced vote on Bea. TH then to make the case on me had to force a case on Bea in order to justify the forced vote. This is why the case itself on linking me and Bea was not solid, because it was based upon never getting to Bea's ISO, when I never got to a ton of ISO's, not just Bea's.


Probably sounds crazy but I have strong reasoning to believe it. I was right about espers. TH and Epi just hard-teamed to try to save Espers. Clearly they're both scum. We need to hit TH first in order to best preserve our future in this game, because I do not think it will backfire again.

You weren't right about espers. You knew espers was bad. You are on his team.

Either that or there's a Janitor-type role to manipulate the reveals. Espers didn't vote to save himself, I doubt his teammates tried to save him either. I know I sure as hell wouldn't have.

Lol, this is just funny right now. It was a likely MYLO situation. My guess is that there were 4 scum left, and solidifying that lynch on a civvie would have won you guys the game. Hence trying to save espers.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:I have reason to believe that Jo's role backfired last night on TH, hence the forced vote on Bea. TH then to make the case on me had to force a case on Bea in order to justify the forced vote. This is why the case itself on linking me and Bea was not solid, because it was based upon never getting to Bea's ISO, when I never got to a ton of ISO's, not just Bea's.


Probably sounds crazy but I have strong reasoning to believe it. I was right about espers. TH and Epi just hard-teamed to try to save Espers. Clearly they're both scum. We need to hit TH first in order to best preserve our future in this game, because I do not think it will backfire again.

You weren't right about espers. You knew espers was bad. You are on his team.

LMAO the push. A for effort

Also, where did your suspicion of INH go? You pushed it constantly for a long time, and you dropped it the moment TH made a save for espers life.

I have reason to believe that Jo's role backfired last night on TH, hence the forced vote on Bea. TH then to make the case on me had to force a case on Bea in order to justify the forced vote. This is why the case itself on linking me and Bea was not solid, because it was based upon never getting to Bea's ISO, when I never got to a ton of ISO's, not just Bea's.


Probably sounds crazy but I have strong reasoning to believe it. I was right about espers. TH and Epi just hard-teamed to try to save Espers. Clearly they're both scum. We need to hit TH first in order to best preserve our future in this game, because I do not think it will backfire again.

Also, INH I want to apologize for my suspicions on you recently. I was convinced that Epi was Pam bam which made his irrational suspicion of you seem warranted.

David Wallace is up for vote. We need to lynch TH first, then Epi second, I have reason to believe that TH is Jo, and thus needs to be eliminated before he can control another vote.

I wanted to post a very very excited post filled with many many profanities, but I'm not gonna be that explosive.

TH and Epi are scum. INH and Bea are town. 99% sure of those.

Alright, next is TH, then Epi. Lets do this civs

Fucking 50/50 dice roll deciding this game unbelievable. Thanks inactivity.

AND THE STEALTH TIE VOTE FROM EPI

Turnip Head wrote:If you want to know the truth DB, I read your BSG posts while I was at work and now I'm home trying to salvage this lynch. Fuck this 24 hour Day, if we had more time I'd humour you.

DrumBeats wrote:I gave a chance for everyone to express their suspicions at the beginning of the day - you know like discussion should work. You waited until espers seemed to have the upper hand and then pushed this lynch over stuff from another thread, which you for some reason had time to read, but not time to make a case based on the current game.

It goes both ways my dude. You opened up that discussion of suspicions at the beginning of the day, plopped your vote on espers, and never tried to make a case on me. If you thought I was bad, you would have done so. espers is harmless and that's why you went that route. No resistance = coast to victory.

You voted espers yesterday. Lmao.


Also, my intention today was to get Epi to state what his Pam check was (I was like 70% sure he was Pam) on INH in a manner in which it would not be against the rules. Hence my placeholder vote on espers while repeating that I may switch to INH.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Drumbeats: What is your current opinion of bea?

Probably civ

On what basis?

TH is pushing him or I as a counterwagon here to espers. I'm relatively sure TH is scum.

You're relatively wrong.

You're relatively scum

We'll see.

Yeah, we will when I lynch you all consecutively. Or you kill me. Either way