The Syndicate

LC - I kept posting about shit I knew BTS that I wasn't backing up with thread evidence. I don't even remember which posts it was, just that I got a little too forthcoming with BTS info.

juliets wrote:Obscure Allure, what was with the punishment you claimed you'd receive if you claimed? I didn't believe it which made me for a while see you as bad. Was there punishment and if so what? Or were you just pulling our leg?

The first one was fake. Silver was in the brig and I did it so that I could link to her later. But you guys linked it to a punishment so I went with it. The other punishments were real because I kept talking about BTS shit. Lol.

That's because SVS is a bad ass. Don't think anyone else could have done Cavil better. :high five:

Awesome results!!! Congrats to all
On an awesome game. I only have a minute but a few things:

My smiley "punishment" was originally me choosing to self sensor because Silver was in the brig. It was me planning to have myself a connection to her I could use later if I needed to. After that, punishments were actual.

Yes, I thought Matt had been recruited by LC because of GMan apparently lol

INH is a great player and I wish I had more time as his BTSC partner.

I got BTSC at the end with Cavil but didn't have enough time to use it more than a post or two.

My win condition changed no less than four times (either officially or by picking between an either or.) I am not as schizophrenic as I seemed. One day I was bad then good then bad then good then OMG I was head-spinning!!

I'll say more later but Love y'all all, that was an awesome game, I am so happy and thankful to have been a part of this game as my return to Mafia!!

THANK YOU GOLDEN for this game and all your hard work!!

Polo wrote:I have to admit; I'm kinda scared of being NK'd tonight.

Did you agree to a recruitment?!

EBWOP: More evidence against THEM not her. DERP. My bad

Ricochet wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:I don't think Cavil should go in the brig if we are to lynch her today. We still might figure something out from her posts. If you need someone I'll volunteer but I think as good of a player as she is, she's not infallible and there's still something to learn.
Just like Spacedaisy made us "figure something" by simply voting herself and being done with it, right? You're assuming Cavil is supposed to entertain us with posts, but he is free to do so only if he finds motive and, when that happens, most certainly his posts will be crafted to not actually reveal anything helpful.

I still caution the idea of lynching Cavil, if there are teammates left in the game - It would make it easy for them to blend under the "lynch Cavil" umbrella - and as long as suspicious players (at least from my POV) say "let's go for it", rather than pointing at connections remaining. "If we don't test it now we are dumb"? Hmpf.

Cavil CAN be lynched. I assure you. I have literally no doubt in my mind that Cavil CAN be lynched. The question is not whether or not he can be lynched, the question is the conditions in which he can be lynched.

BR - I disagree. Not only is she liable to slip, but people responding to her are liable to slip as well. We can learn a lot from not only her but people's reactions to her. IMO silencing her only protects those people from slipping or giving us more evidence against her.

JJJ - I was referring to Matt. Go reread the exchange. Heck, reread my posts about Matt and LC. Somebody, please PLEASE catch on for the love of God.

I don't think Cavil should go in the brig if we are to lynch her today. We still might figure something out from her posts. If you need someone I'll volunteer but I think as good of a player as she is, she's not infallible and there's still something to learn.

Polo wrote:
I think OA made it pretty clear that she's Caprica Six and I believe Wilgy is Leoben Conoy. Who is Aaron Doral? Is it you?

I think YOU made this excedingly clear that it's who you think I am. I claim no one and nothing. A girl has no name. I did NOT role claim. Please don't hurt me golden I didn't do it kill that one

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Last night I was demanding immediate reads on Matt, because I wanted to see who'd try to take advantage of him.

I think there is zero reason for him to behave as he did with regards to the Daisy lynch when it was already pretty much sealed if he really had any nasty motivation to protect her. I think he looked clearly like a townie who had what he thought was a good reason to disagree with public sentiment, and he voiced that without concern for the consequences even when it wasn't at all likely to change the lynch result.

ObscureAllure's handling is the worst IMO:

ObscureAllure wrote:JJJ - Matt's Most likely bad. I've waffled on him because I thought maybe he was offered a recruitment and turned it down based on some of the things he's said... but he just keeps saying crap that makes me think he's bad.
Yellow: This is the most specific reason ever to read someone as town -- not only was he offered recruitment, but he rejected it.

Orange: Like what? What "crap"? Why does it make you think he's bad?

Matt wrote:Welp, like I said off to read some Batman...

Crazy Theory # 1261

Every singe person we lynch comes up "Cavil aligned" until we lynch John Cavil, regardless of their affiliation. Now I'm just coming up with weird stuff, but I was amazed at what an awesome job town has done taking out two baddies in a row. Hrm.

Anyway for real, I'm not going to waste time defending myself. I think most would agree it's more believable that I just suck because if I were bad (here comes...WIFOM!) I just simply wouldn't be defending Daisy like I did. Just...ugh no.

Regardless I really don't care if ya'll hang me, wasted day, keep on truckin' !
Now I DEF think he's bad! Seriously? >.<

Okay, WHY? What is the baddie motive for Matt to promote this theory, which he basically admitted wasn't even viable himself.[/quote]

Maybe there's a really good reason that I've been asking him about recruitment for like days and days and DAYSSSSSSSSSS and I keep referencing something behind the scenes with him and why on earth would I call him out for that if I were bad?? I've been trying to get y'all to catch on to something for EVER and y'all just like DERP. It's very frustrating and part of the reason I have pretty much just gone IDGAF on this game. I can't be any more obvious with out getting in trouble and still not one single freaking person who was supposed to catch on has caught on. (Although ironically it looked like both SVS and Dex might have caught on, but understand oh why when they knew the back side.) I can't win for losing with you people.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The following question is for ObscureAllure and only ObscureAllure:

Do you believe Cavil can be lynched?

Absofriiginlutely. It might be an if-then scenario (like she might have to be the last one of her group lynched) but she absolutely can be lynched. I think that scenario is probably the most likely, but I think we should test it now just in case and if we don't test it now we are dumb. Put GMan, Wigly, or Matt as second just in case.

Have y'all even MET SVS? Of course she did that on purpose. Lol LAWDY. She's having as much fun as she can watching us squirm right now.

Epignosis wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:I can honestly say that not only did I have trouble reading her, but I NEVER would have guessed her to be Cavil. I know you'll probably use that statement against me, but it's true. I had someone else pegged for it and was wrong.
Who'd you have pegged for it and why?
Originally LC - although there was a reason for that that I can't talk about. Then, I thought Zebra/Rabbit was. Zebra was making some very definitive statements that seemed very overzealous and in line with someone who knows a lot and has a lot of powers BTS. But I'm then I became confident that Zebra/Rabbit wasn't a cylon at that time so therefore couldn't have been Cavil. After that, I didn't know who.... then SVS was lynched and there you go.
Long Con was lynched Day 5. You voted for DrWilgy. You never voted for Long Con.

I don't see any evidence you thought he was Cavil.

Because when I started talking about it I got punished. See my post here http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... il#p281149 referencing it. I had a DAMN good reason to think he was Cavil/Cain, just couldn't post it.

Epignosis wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:I can honestly say that not only did I have trouble reading her, but I NEVER would have guessed her to be Cavil. I know you'll probably use that statement against me, but it's true. I had someone else pegged for it and was wrong.
Who'd you have pegged for it and why?

Originally LC - although there was a reason for that that I can't talk about. Then, I thought Zebra/Rabbit was. Zebra was making some very definitive statements that seemed very overzealous and in line with someone who knows a lot and has a lot of powers BTS. But I'm then I became confident that Zebra/Rabbit wasn't a cylon at that time so therefore couldn't have been Cavil. After that, I didn't know who.... then SVS was lynched and there you go.

Nerolunar wrote:
Why do people think OA is suspicious?

Right? G-Man I think is the only person who actually answered me and his post was all over.

Epignosis wrote:My turn to borrow Matt's tinfoil beanie.

Dex and Spacedaisy were the only two of the people resurrected to have been Night killed.

Nerolunar and juliets were not Night killed.

Perhaps there is a John Cavil recruitment among the Final Five only, but it involves being Night killed first.

I think that this is possible, but maybe another layer to this? Like maybe they had the option and had to signal if they agreed. That's how Dex knew he was going to be night killed, he chose to be recruited. In fact, I'm sure of it.

Rico - you have to understand something ... I used to play with many players on this site for many, many years. I've known SVS for damn near ten years and used to play with her often. Her play style used to be very similar to my play style back then and I banter with her. I also used banter with LC, BR, Gman (although this game he treats me almost non existent which is weird), Typhoony and heck even Golden in similar ways. Me bantering with SVS is because I'm happy to be playing with an old comrade. If you chose to hold that against me role wise, I can't stop you, but regardless of what my role is... I'm excited to have so many old friends around. As far as my bouncing back and forth on her ... SVS has DRAMATICALLy changed her play style. I think I even said this before. She used to me way more emotional and responsive. I was having terrible trouble reading her. Honestly, I've felt all game completely lost because not only am I trying to figure out game mechanics (which have been especially confusing for me for various reasons) but I'm trying to relearn players and their styles. People have changed a lot in some ways while still stay the same in others. I can honestly say that not only did I have trouble reading her, but I NEVER would have guessed her to be Cavil. I know you'll probably use that statement against me, but it's true. I had someone else pegged for it and was wrong. And Polo's "I'm 100% sure!" with no thread evidence backing it up and no punishment still confuses me. As far as her interaction with me... I think she had future plans for me so she was setting up that I was a civv and didn't expect her plans to go south.

Regarding G-Man and the BTSC thing: G-Man has BTSC this game. I have no doubt that was a slip. While BTSC in itself doesn't indicate being bad, I think it make it make likely.

Nerolunar wrote:I don't know the show apart from what has been discussed anyways, so I am not going to trust in people's interpretation of Caprica Six and Leoben.

I haven't watched the show, but I think love is a huge driving factor and everyone has said that Six was deeply in love with Gaius and turned against the cylons for him. I think that love would be enough to pull someone from the dark side. So I, for one, think that Six is probably a good cylon and civvie aligned. Most likely paired with her lover. (Assuming that much is connected to the lore, that is.)

Ricochet wrote:in that, if Wilgy cannot be Caprica Six, any other variant is no longer exonerable via lore, given how Boomer's flip was (relatively) off lore.

Then why is he still ALIVE.

Matt wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't think it's clear cut that Cavil can't be lynched. That might genuinely be b/s.

But that says absolutely nothing to me about Spacedaisy.
Listen, I'm not saying you guys are wrong. Hell, you Rico and Epi all are legendary and seem to agree on Daisy so I prolly am wrong.

But I just don't understand it if it's true. I just don't get why Dex would push looking at the Final Five, when it would include himself and Daisy if Daisy were bad, instead of pushing to lynch his unkillable master.

Doesn't make sense. Then again, who knows? I can only plead my case, feel free to ignore as usual town.

I hate agreeing with you agai... but seeing now that SD is bad I have to ask this... Why on EARTH would Dex point us towards himmself and SD? Unless they both just didn't want to play and sacrificed themselves? It's weird.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Cool beans.

I think there's a decent chance Spacedaisy was bad all game long.

I firmly believe that she was a human prior to her (first) death.

LINKI: Yeah what Polo said, too.

Polo wrote:Who do I want to lynch tomorrow?

From FRAK YEAH to MAYBE

G-Man > ObscureAllure > DrWilgy > Matt

John Cavil would be before G-Man if it weren't for the "could be unlynchable for now" dillema.

I support three of the four of these. I'll give you four guesses which one is the good girl?

JJJ - Matt's Most likely bad. I've waffled on him because I thought maybe he was offered a recruitment and turned it down based on some of the things he's said... but he just keeps saying crap that makes me think he's bad.

Matt wrote:Welp, like I said off to read some Batman...

Crazy Theory # 1261

Every singe person we lynch comes up "Cavil aligned" until we lynch John Cavil, regardless of their affiliation. Now I'm just coming up with weird stuff, but I was amazed at what an awesome job town has done taking out two baddies in a row. Hrm.

Anyway for real, I'm not going to waste time defending myself. I think most would agree it's more believable that I just suck because if I were bad (here comes...WIFOM!) I just simply wouldn't be defending Daisy like I did. Just...ugh no.

Regardless I really don't care if ya'll hang me, wasted day, keep on truckin' !

Now I DEF think he's bad! Seriously? >.<

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:
Polo wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Okay, so who do I send to the brig today?

Any ideas?
Either Spacedaisy or G-Man! There's Wilgy and OA, too, but I'd rather go after the first two.
I honestly don't understand how you can go from calling me out as a good Cylon Obscure Six to picking on me for everything you want done (silenced, lynched, etc.) Make up your mind. Either I'm obscure six or I'm bad. If you really are going to name drop who I am, at least have the decency to stop coming after me when you know damn well the role of Six is Civvie.
OA, I want a one-word answer to the following question:

Do you suspect Polo?

One word. Don't give me a bunch of shit. One word.
The answer isn't one worded. I don't think he's a Cylon. I don't know otherwise.
No no no. I don't care about whether he's a cylon.

Do you suspect him of being bad?

He's either an info role or F5 given what he's known. I'm more inclined to think he's an info role based on his play, but I don't get why he's not dead yet if he is, which makes me think he might be bad. So I don't know. I guess he could be a well protected info role and be good. Or lucky.

Wigly vote and run

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:
Polo wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Okay, so who do I send to the brig today?

Any ideas?
Either Spacedaisy or G-Man! There's Wilgy and OA, too, but I'd rather go after the first two.
I honestly don't understand how you can go from calling me out as a good Cylon Obscure Six to picking on me for everything you want done (silenced, lynched, etc.) Make up your mind. Either I'm obscure six or I'm bad. If you really are going to name drop who I am, at least have the decency to stop coming after me when you know damn well the role of Six is Civvie.
OA, I want a one-word answer to the following question:

Do you suspect Polo?

One word. Don't give me a bunch of shit. One word.

The answer isn't one worded. I don't think he's a Cylon. I don't know otherwise.

[quote="Matt"]Oh snap I am so very tired but I falling asleep thinking about mafia (wow I'm weird) and I forgot I wanted to point out...

It's not just that SVS totally flipped on Wilgy after going after him for a few days.

It's that she was hardcore on Wilgy for about a day or two while Wilgy still had his claim, up to Day 5.

On Day 6, Wilgy no longer had his claim and that was the day SVS flipped her script. "totes good".

Anyway g'night[/quote
Because Wigly is baaaaaad!!! I been telling y'all this for two weeks Bruh!!!!

John Cavil wrote:So say we all

Except for me, I mean I say it, but I don't really mean it.

@the admiral, I think Nero, Juliets and Daisy are all horrible people who need to die.

I think you all should let me caper majestically and totally ignore me. Nothing to see here!

I think you should just keep on doing what you are doing in your own inimitable way, um, sir.

Matt wrote:SVS - Hello!

(It's weird to talk to you when I know ur evil)

Why haven't you killed Epi at all this game? Some could speculate that you wouldn't because why bother, some stoopid peeps like Matt keep questioning Epi's motives so easy lynch later? derpy doo. But like, you've maintained a civ read on Epi for most of the game right? I dunno, I keep obsessing over Epi, I'm kind of expecting him to flip a gasket later but so far he's remained pretty cool about it with just "shake your head" smilies.

Also "chaos age". Lulz.
Is it really all that weird?

I haven't killed you, yet, either. Rather an odd suspicion for you to have there, Matt

Perhaps I believe misguided Cylons can be reeducated when all the silly weak humans are gone? Perhaps I can't kill Cylons? Perhaps I don't profit from his death? Perhaps, like that living person, SVS, said, he has not said or done much to threaten me? Perhaps he is my BTS partner, as you suggest. Perhaps YOU are; you're both alive, right?

I don't think she's being glib, here. I think she can't night kill cylons.

That was to sig. And I didn't say Mafia civvies (isn't that a paradox?!), I said Mafia humans.

Golden wrote:
Dex has been lynched. He was Tory Foster, Cavil-aligned..

You mean like the human Tory Foster who is Cavil Aligned?!

Golden wrote:The president of the colonies has passed a new law

Morale Elevation Act: Each day, a random player will be given an extra vote to use in that day's lynch. The identity of the person and their choice of vote will be clear (the second vote must be in dead red in the thread). This vote does not need to be cast for the same person as their standard vote.

Today - this person is ObscureAllure

Thank you

Golden wrote:We're on fire now, team. I think we've climbed out of the hole we may have dug for ourselves in the confusion and are in a solid position to get out of this mess in one piece. Well, those of us who don't die in the process. Your orders for this day phase are simple. They are as follows:

1. Clearly state how and when you think the revealed John Cavil should be dealt with.
i think he probably can't die until his minions are dead, so we should focus on his minions first. I can't see golden going through all the trouble with that role for someone who only has a one shot lynch save.

2. Clearly state a stance on each of the three remaining resurrected people:
juliets, Nerolunar, and Spacedaisy.
i think all three are civvie and Dec knew this, which is why he said at least two so that we keep killing them

3. Make a recommendation to me, your Admiral Adama, for any way you think I can improve the job I'm doing with these addresses or any orders I can issue to benefit our cause.
revoke all BTSC by cutting the ships communication wires!!!

Most importantly, once you've covered these requirements continue to give it all you have. We just might find ourselves raising hard-earned victory banners if we don't let up for a minute.

SO SAY WE ALL!

I WILL avenge you, INH!!! SO SAY WE ALL!!!

:insert desvestaed smiley here:

Ricochet wrote:Does he? Do we?

Those who have been paying attention do

You can silence me if you want to silence someone. I think you not using the power can actually be held against you if I remember the rules correctly.

Polo wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Okay, so who do I send to the brig today?

Any ideas?
Either Spacedaisy or G-Man! There's Wilgy and OA, too, but I'd rather go after the first two.

I honestly don't understand how you can go from calling me out as a good Cylon Obscure Six to picking on me for everything you want done (silenced, lynched, etc.) Make up your mind. Either I'm obscure six or I'm bad. If you really are going to name drop who I am, at least have the decency to stop coming after me when you know damn well the role of Six is Civvie.

Matt wrote:
Dex wrote:Polo, this is a flat-out lie:

Polo wrote:S~V~S was the only person here who argued with me on this. It's a major red flag in my book. By showing confidence at asking me to give her a name, she wanted me to forget any possibility of her being Cavil, but this little trick was her big mistake.]
Did you forget our exchange on this topic?

Dex wrote:You asked me the same question and I gave you the same answer as did S~V~S. The finer points of the debate deserve more attention. You seem to only regard the Cain or Cavil first question non contextually; in a vacuum, which is the greater evil, Cain or Cavil? You are dismayed when anybody answers anything but Cavil. But S~V~S and I were coming from a context where we were fairly certain who Cain was - and we were right - and had no idea who Cavil was. It could have taken us all game to find Cavil; we had Cain in hand.

And I'm not sure what you mean by the mafia boss "being more dangerous to mafia than to civs". That may be true per se, Cavil wants all humans dead (I presume) and Cain didn't want any humans dead. But you overlook the fact that Cain made civ victory twice as difficult by requiring twice the number of lynches to win. And that's just the numerical disadvantage. Martial law was depriving us of half the cylons as aliies, and denying us whatever powers they had that might be of great usefulness to the civ cause. Possibly even, for example, finding Cavil.

What you are apparently preferring here is that we spend an indeterminate amount of time prioritizing a search for a particular role with half the chance to win the game than to take out first a known target that will double our chances of winning.

If anybody had even the slightest inkling who Cavil was, we may have answered you differently. Taking out a target who we had pretty much identified who was having a serious negative effect on a civ victory was a far, far better choice.
During the course of a lengthy debate, I also asked you for a name. How have you forgotten all of this? Selective memory? In my last in-case-I'm-NKed post, just before I was in fact NKed, I named S~V~S as one of my strongest civ reads, and that remains the case. I find your tunneling on her very peculiar.
Unless this is a very elaborate dance by the mafia in thread, I'm going to withdraw my previous accusation of Polo bussing SVS.

Like, Dex just called out Polo for being a liar in defense of SVS before she was lynched. Haha. If Polo was mafia too that'd be cray cray!

I'm also liking sig still, even more after seeing his interaction with Dex about Glorfy.

Can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm inclined to agree. Not saying I think polo is good, but in the least I don't think he's Cavil aligned.

Oh so now you guys listen about Wigly. :eyeroll:

sig wrote:
sig wrote:Post 3

I'll be writing up some stuff about SVS/Epi interaction later. I think Wilgy comes out looking bad from JJJ's ISO and I still believe he should be lynched.

Right now I'd be fine with an Epi, Wilgy, and to a lesser extent OA lynch. I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD VOTE FOR CAVIL AT ALL!
Also I see no reason to vote for Polo that is strange.
Post 4 yay well this never happened. My day got really busy with the grandparents visiting and getting ready for my graduation party.
I will do it during the night phase I guess the quick skim is that Epi didn't look that much worse just a bit, and Wilgy looked much worse imo.

Also again why are we lkynching Cavil? I think two things will happen either he will get more power or we will have wasted a day phase, this is stupid just ignore them.

ObscureAllure wrote:Go for it. Lynch me. You guys have been so blindly led by the Mafia (who aren't even effin CYLONS! for the most part!) to kill all the cylons. I've been literally harping on it since the big inning of the game, I don't know how much more vocal I can be with out getting punished again. You're hunting the WEONG PEOPLE!!!! You want to kill all the good cylons while the bad humans win the game? Go for it.

PS: my vote for polo wasn't weird, it was annoyance for something he did to me. DERPPPPPPPPP
This makes no sense, nobody is saying we should kill all the cylons if they were we'd be lynching WIlgy and Epi today not someone else. I wouldn't mind lynching OA at some point. I'd be fine with a Gman lynch, but will hold my vote for the time and if it isn't needed to vote for Gman I'll be voting for Epi or Wilgy. Since they should be lynched.

Yup because all the cylons lynched so far are definitely Mafia. Y'all don't think it's weird that outside of polo knowing Cavil, all the other cylons have been good, even the ones who lore says should be bad?! And now suddenly lots of people post I'm bad with NO evidence, and with someone out there saying they know who I am and I'm good (and they were right about Cavil) but y'all want to lynch me anyway. It's ridiculous how well the Mafia have convinced you guys that this game is set up a certain way and even with allllllllll the evidence pointing otherwise, you're still just chugging right along.

Not kill all the cylons, kill all the civvie cylons. And you have. Y'all have managed to kill all but one civvie Cylons and y'all talking about killing me now. Ridiculous.

Go for it. Lynch me. You guys have been so blindly led by the Mafia (who aren't even effin CYLONS! for the most part!) to kill all the cylons. I've been literally harping on it since the big inning of the game, I don't know how much more vocal I can be with out getting punished again. You're hunting the WEONG PEOPLE!!!! You want to kill all the good cylons while the bad humans win the game? Go for it.

PS: my vote for polo wasn't weird, it was annoyance for something he did to me. DERPPPPPPPPP

Yes, Polo, you literally said that in the post you quoted. You also never got punished for your 100% certain without thread evidence crap. I think either you're with Cavil and that was a set up OR you're on a human Mafia team because I don't think you're the civvie role checker and I don't think there's two.. Either way...

Vote: Polo

Dex wrote:6.

All I was doing was ranking a set of three suspects from most to least suspicious, and voting for the most. If there had been even one other suspect in the set, your three-card monte logic wouldn't even be possible. I have learned from my albeit limited experience that when you resort to one four-letter word response you are beyond engaging in genuine debate, so, especially with a limited number of posts available, I'm done. "X sounds the best" does not equal "x is good". "Y sounds the worst" does not equal "Y is bad".

Go frak yourself, civ cylon, like me, nonetheless.

You're a civ Cylon?

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Again I ask: how sure are you. Just because my numbers are what I present does not mean that's my entire case. Simply that's what I choose to present.

I need to know asap, please sir.

So say we all

Golden wrote:The president of the colonies has passed a new law:

Mass Speculation Act: Every person may post once in the game in the thread calling out a living player they suspect in the form: "I SUSPECT [PLAYER]".
If the player named is someone the caller needs dead to win, the following day the caller's lynch vote is worth 2.
If the player named is not someone the caller needs dead to win, the following day the caller's lynch vote is worth 0.

@GOLDEN- What happens if the player has an "or" condition?

Those who suspect me, can you please actually offer reasoning instead of just putting bad by my name?

Still think wigly's bad. I also think there's a damn good chance that we've been looking at this all
Wrong and the Mafia are a mix of humans a cylons and that there are more good cylons (and bad humans) left than we realize.

Dex: what's your surety on Wigly being a civvie? Can you back it up with anything? Because I can back my end up and unless something is amiss, that boy is bad. It kind of weird a me out that you sound sure, when I know you can't be (or he's got multiple personality disorder.)

1

That was 3,

This is four

Polo wrote:Post #7:

We need to know how unlynchable is Cavil/S~V~S.

If she is in fact unlynchable, does this mean that if she's the most voted then the second most voted player gets lynched? Or does this mean that if S~V~S is the most voted player, no lynch will happen on that day?

Just in case, I believe we should lynch the confirmed Cylons.

Epignosis has been acting very mafioso since I started accusing S~V~S of being Cavil. ObscureAllure is an option too, and I don't discard Wilgy.

You think confirmed colons should be lynched first but you put me before Wigly?! Wtf?! Since when am I confirmed anything? Wigly is a CONFIRMED CYLON with a higher chance of being bad than good based on statistics. I have evidence showing I'm good and I'm not a confirmed Cylon so I have a higher chance of showing up civvie.... But me before him. Riiiiiiiight. And you wonder why I said I think you and SVS are bad? I think you set up her getting lynched on purpose and you're saving Wigly now.

Oh was thinking only day. That was one this is two. Sorry Golden.

"ObscureAllure -- Fallen from grace. I thought she looked very good earlier in the game and my confidence in that has progressively waned. Her behavior in recent cycles is suspicious to me at face value. I don't think she is paying fair attention to her accusers and has been overly dismissive."

Nah. There was a change, but not the one you think. And I'm not paying attention to them because they aren't offering anything of substance. Their accusations are surface level or reaching or just made up and I can't defend against something that doesn't exist other than to say it doesn't exist. My record speaks for itself. Therefore, I dismiss all else.

RICO I HAS GIRL PARTS.

Post four

ObscureAllure wrote:vote SVS

Crap hit wrong button on phone. that was post two.

Post three

vote SVS

LBlack Rock – Good
Dex – Cylon/Bad
Drumbeats – Good
DrWilgy - Cylon/Bad
Epignosis – Cylon/Good
G-Man – Cylon/Dunno?
InsertNameHere – Good
JaggedJimmyJay – Good
Juliets – Cylon/Good
Matt – Good
Nerolunar – Cylon/Good
ObscureAllure – Best
Polo – F5 bad if SVS is bad
Rabbit8 – Good
Richochet – Cylon/Bad
S~V~S – Cylon/Bad if Polo is F5 bad
Sig – Good
Soko - Good
SpaceDaisy – Good

Post one

And no, go read my last posts. I do not believe sig is a Cylon anymore and will not push for his death anymore. He could still be bad, but I think he'd have to be F5 if so.

Polo wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:OBSCUREALLURE

I'd like to know what you think of all this stuff.
Interesting. I think this means ObscureAllure is Caprica Six, which is why she is not comfortable with leaving Sig and Wilgy alive.

Wilgy is the only of those who is a confirmed Cylon, which means I have been wrong in believing he was Caprica Six; this means he is probably Leoben Conoy. And after a quick read at lore I think I know what is Leoben's rolepower.

Show me why you think he's Conoy. Show me. Because he says he's not bad? Show me actual evidence.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:OBSCUREALLURE

I'd like to know what you think of all this stuff.

Nothing on there is substantial. I was one of the first votes for Glor and you've coco eminently left out posts of me pushing for his lunch before he even had lots of votes. You're also leaving out my push of lunching his teammates. And I've already corrected the sig thing.

Go ISO the confirmed Cylon Wigly, if you please. Or are you just going to ignore that he's more likely to be bad than good? Because when he's bad and you see I've been screaming it since night two, maybe then you'll believe me.

sig wrote:One other unrelated point about me, if I'm a bad cylon do you believe Lorab was a good cylon? If you believe Lorab was bad what do you think of the fact I was her counterwagon?

This is addressed to those who think I could be bad, I'd also like an answer from OA regarding how I could be a cylon.

I actually I think got something backwards. I interpreted something about you based on my knowledge of someone else, but my knowledge of someone else was interpreted wrong which makes you shoot up my town-read-o-meter. This game is crazy. I don't know if you're bad or not, but I don't think you're a Cylon. I guess you could be final five, but I definitely don't think you're a Cylon anymore.

Polo wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:
Polo wrote:
ObscureAllure wrote:Either SVS or Polo is bad. Frankly, the fact that Polo is saying that he's 100% sure without posting evidence as to why and ISNT getting punished makes me think he's full of shit. I said something way less confirmative and got punished for it. If tomorrow is Polo vs SVS, I guess we will find out which one.

I'm still waiting on someone to tell me why we aren't lynching confirmed Cylon Wigly?!?? One in three (or more) chance of being bad as opposed to the unknown player who is about 2 in three chance of being civvie!?!

Linki: WIGLY, sig (although I think I may have found an alternative situation in my reread here so I reserve the right to remove), rabbit (I think Zebra was recruited), Matt, and either Polo or SVS
Can you assure me that if I'm NK'd tonight you will vote for S~V~S tomorrow?
No? Because if she isn't Mafia, the Mafia would just NK you to set her up? And if she is Mafia, why would she NK you after you've shouted her name for days with out any evidence (and that's making you look bad?) [wifom]I would just continue letting you dig your own grave[/wifom]
There's also the chance that she could NK me in order to make people believe I was just a conspiracy theorist and then everyone ignores that she's mafia and she escapes unscathed. Is this a possibility you ignore?

Totally possible. I just think it's unlikely. SVS is a very straight forward player. She typically plays to her gut and emotions, and fights with every breath for what she believes or what she wants people to believe that she believes. However, I've never known her to backdoor people or play the "if I kill him" approach. If anything, I'd say she usually goes for low posters or confirmed townies when she night kills.

Ricochet wrote:
G-Man wrote:All this talk about Epi being the opposite #8 than he flipped just seems silly to me.

1) Can we really trust anything coming from the dead? There are baddies in there! Of course they are going to try to sow seeds of doubt. One of those messages was generic as hell and the other one I'm almost certain came from Glorfindel.

2) If Epi were some super-devious role-flipping seemer-bot, why wouldn't Glorfindel have fought Epi's status all game long?

3) Are we actually considering some kind of role-flipping seemer-bot ability for the baddies on top of everything we already know/suspect? Isn't that just a little much to cram into one game? Doesn't it make things a more complicated and difficult than it needs to be?

This feels like a distraction that needs to be shelved and ignored.
#2 sounds very reasonable. I could extend to same train of thought to ask why hasn't Dex's read on Wilgy-as-likely-Conoy been strongly, specifically contested so far, just like the Wilgy-is-Six line has received major no's?

For me, I haven't personally seen anything from him or anyone else that says they are Conoy. I have, however, seen a very clear hint and situation that tells me who Six (and probably Gaias) are when that person wasn't being suspected and cylinders were a target which makes me think they'd have no reason to lie about it. (And it wasn't Wigly.)

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