The Syndicate

Eh, [VOTE: Made] aubergine. I think I've explained a few reasons why I think this is better than RDB even if I still don't like that slot, but I would still like Ranmilia/Gira/ted to talk this over with me.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:43 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:43 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:42 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:37 pm My main problem with RDB's "solving" is "this person changed their read on someone" is not strong enough evidence on its own; both alignments do this.
no its not a "they changed their read on me" that is underselling it. It is a never rescind (real). I policy this every game, every time, no passing go no $200
Than you'll policy town a lot
Sure, its the same as people policying for self voting yet people arent getting in a twist over that
Self-voters are often wolves though and it's anti-town on principle. I don't think this is the same thing

Plus, I've gotten a lot of shit for pushing self-voters even in cases where I turned out to be right, so I don't get what you're talking about.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:43 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:42 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:37 pm My main problem with RDB's "solving" is "this person changed their read on someone" is not strong enough evidence on its own; both alignments do this.
no its not a "they changed their read on me" that is underselling it. It is a never rescind (real). I policy this every game, every time, no passing go no $200
Than you'll policy town a lot
Sure, its the same as people policying for self voting yet people arent getting in a twist over that

Self-voters are often wolves though and it's anti-town on principle. I don't think this is the same thing

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:41 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:39 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:37 pm My main problem with RDB's "solving" is "this person changed their read on someone" is not strong enough evidence on its own; both alignments do this.
no its not a "they changed their read on me" that is underselling it. It is a never rescind (real). I policy this every game, every time, no passing go no $200
Abby always says crap like this though
sure she says never rescind all the time but not (real)

So what, you're saying made/ted/gira? can any of them be paired?

Made/ted seems unlikely but not 100% impossible; Made flipping wolf is the only time I might reevaluate Gira. Made/Abby is impossible as far as I'm concerned.

On one hand, RDB does look like they're trying to solve the game, which is better than Made at least. On the other hand, it doesn't look like great solving.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:37 pm My main problem with RDB's "solving" is "this person changed their read on someone" is not strong enough evidence on its own; both alignments do this.
no its not a "they changed their read on me" that is underselling it. It is a never rescind (real). I policy this every game, every time, no passing go no $200

Abby always says crap like this though

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:37 pm My main problem with RDB's "solving" is "this person changed their read on someone" is not strong enough evidence on its own; both alignments do this.

I mean, I went back and forth on pyxxy a few times.

My main problem with RDB's "solving" is "this person changed their read on someone" is not strong enough evidence on its own; both alignments do this.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:33 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:31 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:31 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:29 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:27 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:23 pm oh if LC never shared this, apparently they got btsc with pyxxy, so he thought he was their partner??? he never responded tho so kinda weird shananigans going on there. we dont know who pyxxy’s partner is
pyxxy was town, how does he have a partner?

Hold on I am going to go back and read his flip
Think he's misinterpreting something. Brad probably meant that pyxxy has BTSC with someone else. Made either hasn't paid attention to the mechanics or pretends to bot have paid attention.
look I am willing to do whatever means I can go to bed at this point. I have no energy after yesterday to stand around and scream that I am town EOD and I frankly dont like doing it
Well, if you are town, self-pres is always helpful
There isnt any atm. Abbi called me lock town never recind and has recinded. I take those reads seriously. I would rather be on Ted or Gira to solve in there and you want me on Made. I am being pulled in too many directions and have one vote

Is it wrong to change your reads in light of better evidence? Although if you want to look at Abby, there's the fact that she changed her position on you when not doing so would have put her in the PoE

And as a note, my phone's autocorrect wants to change "so" to "something"

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:19 pm f&$k me, the day one kill was mac, and this thread is about to hit 100. word on the street is the other thread is only at like page 30?

Anyway, this is confirmation that we're on the better side

If you avoid being mislynched, you have already done half your duty for town.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:31 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:29 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:27 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:23 pm oh if LC never shared this, apparently they got btsc with pyxxy, so he thought he was their partner??? he never responded tho so kinda weird shananigans going on there. we dont know who pyxxy’s partner is
pyxxy was town, how does he have a partner?

Hold on I am going to go back and read his flip
Think he's misinterpreting something. Brad probably meant that pyxxy has BTSC with someone else. Made either hasn't paid attention to the mechanics or pretends to bot have paid attention.
look I am willing to do whatever means I can go to bed at this point. I have no energy after yesterday to stand around and scream that I am town EOD and I frankly dont like doing it

Well, if you are town, self-pres is always helpful

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:27 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:23 pm oh if LC never shared this, apparently they got btsc with pyxxy, so he thought he was their partner??? he never responded tho so kinda weird shananigans going on there. we dont know who pyxxy’s partner is
pyxxy was town, how does he have a partner?

Hold on I am going to go back and read his flip

Think he's misinterpreting something. Brad probably meant that pyxxy has BTSC with someone else. Made either hasn't paid attention to the mechanics or pretends to bot have paid attention.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:03 pm It is generally true that you will find wolves in the low posters. And the only people who Made has outposted are subbed out people, people from the other thread, the host, and the MOD. I know he's only had about half as long as the rest of us, but he hasn't even outposted the D1 mislynch or the N1 kill.
f&$k me, the day one kill was mac, and this thread is about to hit 100. word on the street is the other thread is only at like page 30?

y’all just talk too much

oh, in case it matters, Lime Coke is blowing up my discord, I think they’re obsessed with me

Did he say anything of note?

Given the last time that one of the partners completely dipped indicated they were both wolves, is it the same here? Yes, it's not statistically unlikely that there is at least one w/w pairing, but is pairing only players of the same alignment part of the setup? Especially as Delta, the "lonely" player, seems to be ITP

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:12 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:11 pm Do wish I had more people to talk to than just one of my suspicions. Though it's also kind of weird how Made has dipped, especially as Brad should give him more to talk about
Did we figure out who I am paired with in the other thread? I know I lied about my +1 vote D3 but I was totally serious about D1 and 2

If anyone has, it's Jack, but I think Jack and Ranmilia have said they'll leave their suspicions there to themselves

Do wish I had more people to talk to than just one of my suspicions. Though it's also kind of weird how Made has dipped, especially as Brad should give him more to talk about

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:09 pm If we are going Made then we have to agree I am town because going into tomorrow with how we have left it today I am the obvious mislynch

W/w wagons are a thing you know. If Made is a wolf, that happened D2.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:03 pm It is generally true that you will find wolves in the low posters. And the only people who Made has outposted are subbed out people, people from the other thread, the host, and the MOD. I know he's only had about half as long as the rest of us, but he hasn't even outposted the D1 mislynch or the N1 kill.
wait? Are you trying to convince me on made?

Mostly weighing on whether to vote Made or you. I don't take this decision lightly, for where I vote the rest of the town will most likely follow.

It is generally true that you will find wolves in the low posters. And the only people who Made has outposted are subbed out people, people from the other thread, the host, and the MOD. I know he's only had about half as long as the rest of us, but he hasn't even outposted the D1 mislynch or the N1 kill.

I mean, I sometimes have good reads D1, but they're never something I want people to bet the whole game on

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:31 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:10 am
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:09 am
robyn wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:55 am
robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:43 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:42 pm leetic is right, we must solve the game as fast as possible, once dyslexicon starts posting nobody will be able to focus on solving, guys and girls and others alike
GTH town, I like the spunk. Still, what are you gonna do to help solve the game?
i have to ask you one thing first, are u comfortable with being called a twink?
@leetic
I already explained my conditions for answering that; you have yet to fulfill them.
you town
ran town
gira wolf
happy with my vote Robyn has good reads and I cant believe I missed this on my first pass through her ISO

Not just directed at you, but why is everyone trying to follow robyn's reads when they weren't there for like 90% of the game?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:06 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:40 pm As I see it, there are two main arguments for flipping Made over RDB:

1. RDB looks like they could be paired with nearly anyone, while Made is much more polarized in terms of interactions
2. Having all three major D2 wagons flipped would be useful
I wouldnt flip made at all tbh even though it would save me I would rather solve in ted/gira/abbi
Ted/Abby seems almost out of the question, so it would necessitate Gira being a wolf. But why, when they were the most steadfast and unwavering TSP voter out of those left alive?
When in doubt go back to D1

I did, and strangely TSP didn't even interact with you or DizzyMade. Do you think there's a reason?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:05 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:40 pm As I see it, there are two main arguments for flipping Made over RDB:

1. RDB looks like they could be paired with nearly anyone, while Made is much more polarized in terms of interactions
2. Having all three major D2 wagons flipped would be useful
I wouldnt flip made at all tbh even though it would save me I would rather solve in ted/gira/abbi

Ted/Abby seems almost out of the question, so it would necessitate Gira being a wolf. But why, when they were the most steadfast and unwavering TSP voter out of those left alive?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:03 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:38 pm So yeah, if Made is a wolf, it would almost certainly indict RDB, unless we're dealing with a Ranmilia or Gira world but I doubt we are (and Ranmilia/Made doesn't look like a viable wolfteam anyway)
So the reverse must be true

Eh. In this state, a bus isn't completely out of the question, and your clashes with people (besides perhaps ted) aren't as strong as those with DizzyMade

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:03 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:36 pm Made's reaction test combined with my tracker result on Abby means that Abby/Made is almost certainly not a wolfteam.
That fits with my worldview as well

Your worldview appears to be to narrow to fit any viable wolfteams though.

If Bereft is a wolf, it would likely have been a town role that killed him, and the fact that nobody claimed as such means it's very, very unlikely. Granted, there is the possibility of extra-thread shenanigans, but they don't seem to have affected the game this directly before

Basically, if Abby is a wolf, someone else had to send the kill N3. Keep that in mind.

As I see it, there are two main arguments for flipping Made over RDB:

1. RDB looks like they could be paired with nearly anyone, while Made is much more polarized in terms of interactions
2. Having all three major D2 wagons flipped would be useful

So yeah, if Made is a wolf, it would almost certainly indict RDB, unless we're dealing with a Ranmilia or Gira world but I doubt we are (and Ranmilia/Made doesn't look like a viable wolfteam anyway)

Made's reaction test combined with my tracker result on Abby means that Abby/Made is almost certainly not a wolfteam.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:03 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:01 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:56 pm I was the person who helped WWA get TSP over by being the second vote making his wagon viable and then securing him later after doing some waganomics.
Weren't you trying to get me to vote pyxxy because "waganomics"?
Yes, but that was so that I could ensure a drawn wagon for longer and to see if you would do it. I was always going to end the day with WWA the claimed PR who wanted TSP, in my head I still was second on the wagon even while jumping around to see what people did

What are your thoughts on DizzyMade?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:56 pm I was the person who helped WWA get TSP over by being the second vote making his wagon viable and then securing him later after doing some waganomics.

Weren't you trying to get me to vote pyxxy because "waganomics"?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:27 pm the fact that we're ~all voting him is either really good, or really bad

#usefulthoughts

Hoping it's the former. Do you agree with me that Made/RDB is the most likely pairing?

If I had the time, energy, and resources, I'd look through the entire ISOs. Maybe I can look a bit more into the later game later on in the phase. Still, I think that the results I did get were helpful, and I'm starting to lean into a RDB/Made worldview. Made was likely unfazed because RDB submitted the kill. (Or they didn't believe my third shot)

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:45 am I'll look through Abby's ISO for a bit to be sure

Yeah no, not in the mood to handle 700 posts of mostly fluff. Still, I gave a cursory look over the first three pages and nothing particularly stood out to me in a negative way.

Looking over ted's ISO actually makes me feel better about the slot; his earlygame was actually surprisingly strong. Is it really as easy as RDB/Made? I'll look through Abby's ISO for a bit to be sure

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:10 pm i guess dubz could be a wolf, but it's too early to tell and i have 0 meta with him

think a bad sign is also that he's defended himself, saying he's gonna be fluffing more and left the thread, rather than in the middle of fluffing or posting or whatever. kinda feel like a wolf would leave more on that note than a villa

He who shall not be named/RDB's precursor "could be a wolf"

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:40 pm v
leetic
tsp
wwa

is about where im at rn

TRs TSP now. But that would make it weirder for a wolf to put suspicion on a partner and immediately follow it up with a townread.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:52 pm not really jiving with my boay gira :/

on that note, i think im comfortable with tsp v on a re-read, hope i didn't fool myself into 180ing for nothing, but i think im starting to remember his villa posting and he seems to hit his villa notes. p comfortable with him villa

dunno what to say about rondo slot, i don't think it's a lock wolf or anything but i was hoping he'd be doing more w/r/t solving or voting than just randomly placing them

More dislike of RDB slot

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:43 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:37 pm i guess if i were to voice my leetic problems, it feels like he keeps asking these questions but he doesn't build on top of them at all

like his solving is disconnected from his questions
I get that a lot, but the point of pushing in the early game is to generate interactions that I can look back on to read later. My more analytical play comes later in the game after we have some flips. I'll ask you a question: What are your thoughts on the two biggest wagons right now, Dyslexicon and robyn?
i've already talked about robyn

and dizzy it's too early to say and too little content to sort anything. i kinda dont like he hopped on robyn from a ranmilia push. it feels like the equivalent of swapping from voting a 500 poster to the 0 poster, and ik it's a wild analysis since robyn has more posts, but the point is that a ranmilia wolf read requires depth of thought, and one for robyn doesn't

Doesn't like Dizzy's switch

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:26 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:14 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:12 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:11 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:09 pm leetic just said that my cpl paragraph post is "a whole lot of nothing to try to make up a reason why I could be a wolf". I invite people to read it and tell me if they agree.
Have you ever played with Leetic?
why vote robyn over ranmilia?
I don't have an answer for this yet.
[VOTE: Dizzay ] aubergine

And a vote.

While I look through ted's ISO, here's an interesting D0 exchange:

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:31 pm Howdy ted. Whomst among us (bass sting) would you vote?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:34 pmtsp

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:37 pm Interesting, why? He looks pretty towny to me.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:40 pm i've just rechecked his iso cuz i was heavily leaning on wolf reading him cuz of 1 post that i thought came outta nowhere, but it turns out he was replying to someone without quoting. im not that strong on it anymore for that reason

though idk how to handle you calling him an usual obv wolf. i remember him fooling us plenty of times, it seems like his capability of wolfing comes depending on whether he wants to win harder than usual, or maybe mood. i thought his poasting here was almost completely NAI and yet you decide to call him an ez villa read

have you only played with him in games where he was omega wolfy or wat? cuz i wouldn't call him as not having a wolfgame, just that sometimes he just... mails it in, but i think it's mood dependant. im trying to remember though since i haven't played with him in a long time

Would wolf!ted really have the audacity to wolfread his partner pretty much first thing in the game?

Took a detour to TSP, yet found almost nothing of substance

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:26 pm Why are there votes on all the standarx potential day 1 mischops except Abigail? Therefore I conclude

Yes, this was legitimately the most substantive thing I could find from his D1. He fluffed at Abby and ted a bit, but RDB and DizzyMade were basically completely ignored. Is TSP the kind of person to ignore his wolf partners like that?

Basically, RDB seems to be viable with anyone, but given the buddying with Abby and ted if I had to suggest a most likely partner it would probably be DizzyMade.

RDB's D2 isn't that much more substantial.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:10 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:37 am [VOTE: Rondo ] aubergine

for now. @RondoDimBuckle can you please explain why you were villa reading leetic for not knowing your meta, but you seem to think there NEEDS to be a wolf that’s suspecting you?

wouldn’t it make sense that it could be villas that don’t know your meta? since you seemed to imply you deal with “this” every game. do you get pushed by wolves that don’t have meta with you in the diff games?

it’s just weird you seem to guide your wolfreads on an arbitrary fact, even though you have no issue recognizing that leetic doesn’t know your meta and is a villager for it, yet the other two people MUST contain a wolf

like why does that have to be mandatory?
Currently sneaking a quick post at karaoke trying not to be rude to the host

If I miss anything its not intentional just a little buzzed

More just going off experience in the last games I have been playing people who see me enter and don't know me assume I am inexperienced and easy pickings. So naturally easy to push and I have routinel caught a wolves pushing it.

Its not hard and Fast but its a good starting point for me to look into day 1 after a sub in with work spamming me. I had 3 people who didn't know and all 3 of them wanted me so from my pov someone should be a bad actor. I don't want to be on main wagon when I don't have a clue so I had to pick one to push and discover how the others acted

Ummm I just finished a song so I have lost my train of thought

Yeah. Over represent, under represent. Keep a counter wagon live to get into and analyse. Yeah I remember now

I need to see how people have reacted today and then that's going to help me sort you. But the content is in thread for everyone as well to assess in lylo.

First post of substance directed at someone we're interested in, and even then it's mostly a whole.lot of nothing

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:15 pm fuck fuck fuckity shit fuck, I came home and sat down for a bit and then fell asleep immediately and I knew If I didnt start posting last night someone was going to try to push me and make me a wagon today. I have another +1 vote against me so I am top wagon right now. I am going to have to self pres [VOTE: dyslexicon ] aubergine while I catch up

Self-pres onto Dyslexicon, self-explanatory.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:29 pm I fucking hate that both leetic and ted are on me since they are the same people from yesterday.

Actually. Fuck it, I am just going to slap a town read on them because no wolf would dumbass push me 2 days in a row with no evidence other than just my low hanging fruitness when other people in thread are more familiar with me so Ted/Leetic just town

I dont know what to make of TSP here so out of the 3 I would have to put him as the wolf

Then we have Ranmi/WWA/Pyxxy and me. I know I am town. WWA has been my only lifeline so gonna town her. I dont know about the other two but now I have TSP + Ranmi/Pyxxy + Bereft/Gira/Neon

So FMPoV Neon is super unpredictable but she has been covering me too and Gira was one of the three pushing me day 1 that isnt today so 100% on Gira in this group.

So It has to be

A) TSP / Ranmi / Gira
B) TSP / Pyxxy / Gira

Is it 3 or 4 wolves? if its 4 Dizzy on the end, no vote atm. Probably going to save himself by voting me.

Is there any reason why the below makes no sense?

A) TSP / Ranmi / Gira / Dizzy
B) TSP / Pyxxy / Gira / Dizzy

Seems to TR ted. Pushes TSP here, although I'm not sure I follow the reasoning here. Also makes a few fluffposts at ted and Abby that I'll be skipping.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:36 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:34 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:33 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:30 pm dunno bro help me bus pyxxy
make pyxxy viable and I would happily vote him
What's your obsession with voting for someone "viable"? It's not like you're doin' that right now
No he asked me to switch off dizzy, if I switch of Dizzy I am dead 100% instead of 50/50 (assuming wolves dont get to pick)

I am telling him to get 1 more vote on Pyxxy and I will 50/50 with him instead if he wants to save Dizzy

Seems willing to "save" Dizzy, a bit weird given their lack of previous interaction.

Looked through the entire first day of RDB's posts and there was next to nothing of substance about the players of interest — just short, unjustified votes on Abby then Dyslexicon, a couple of fluff interactions with Abby, a bit of fighting with me, and a whole lot of nothing.

Anyway, I'll stop there with Made as I think I achieved what I wanted and I want to work on other people. Now I think a Made/Abby pairing looks unlikely given how consistently Made pushed Abby with not the strongest evidence. There's also his ignorance of Porscha, which almost seems too oblivious but whatever. He may have been pushing Abby because he realized that he'd be likely be voting pyxxy in the end, but his switch from townreading to wolfreading pyxxy was super abrupt. I think a pairing with RDB or ted is viable, albeit there are weird moments for both.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:59 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:34 pm if not ted then not gira
if ted then gira
if abigail then not gira
if gira then not abigail
if not ted then
*snip*
if abigail then not ted

Seems to start disregarding Abby/ted w/w. That's at least somewhat of a progression, I guess.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:10 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:48 pm As far as the cred for the wagon thing, I think Gira is really the only person that I think had minimal incentive.
thoughts here @RondoDimBuckle ??
(also long time no see! hope youre well)

Seems to call out RDB for no real reason. If it's a reference to RDB's vote, that suggests a bit of awareness of game events that Made has not otherwise expressed. This is a bit of a suspicious post on its own.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:51 pm @abigail, what is your thought on pyxxy and Me? where do you see your vote going?

Asks to Abby.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:17 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:40 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:06 pm thanks for the confirmation Jack!

okay caught up on that mess. Last bs question before I solve:
both threads just happened to vote out TSP/iliano on the same day?
What is this supposed to conclude? I feel like its leaving somethnig unsaid and I am not able to deduce it
my curiosity. digging into mechanics is easier than solving, and sometimes more fun

RDB asks a softball question, Made gives a softball answer.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:30 am okay let’s run it back

town because reads:
Gira
leetic

town by dizzy inheritance:
ted
Bereft

town by vote record:
ran
rondo

poe:
abi
pyxxy

i feel pretty good about that.

@tedxtr why did you vote pyxxy yesterday?

Seems to settle on Abby suspicion. I called this post an excuse not to read ted or Bereft, and it seems on the money for ted at least. pyxxy falling all the way to PoE when they were a strong townread not to long before is something that's independently suspicious.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:54 am Im down to flip abby or pyxxy.
imo best case to worst:
Pyxxy flips scum: wagon info and a scum flip
Abbi flips scum: No wagon info, but a scum flip
Pyxxy flips town: wagon information
abbi flips town: No wagon info

Continues to push Abby

Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 1:13 am how do we know abby was porsha?

Blatant ignorance.

Alright, how I'll do this is I'll look through someone's ISO for relevant interactions with DizzyMade/Abby/RDB/ted. I'll start with Made since he has the smallest ISO, but I'll still have to do it over several posts'

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:02 am okay read dizzy, tsp. here is where Im at:

town:
pyxxy
leetic
ran

not sure:
princess abigail
bereft

mafia:
ted
gira

this will likely swing a bit as I get more information. Gotta go to work though, see yall later today!

Abby "not sure", ted wolf, RDB oddly not even mentioned (would admittedly be quite the oversight if Made and RDB were partnered). At least 2/3 of the town are town, but that's neither here nor there.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:34 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:09 pm Okay after catch up report card

Lawful Good: Ranmilia, DubzDimBuckle, WWA

Chaotic Good: Princess Abigail, Gira, Bereft, Leetic

True Neutral: Dizzy, TSP

Lawful Evil: Pyxxy

Chaotic Evil: Ted

Ordered within tiers

Leetic is dropping for me. Schweppes is rising.

Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.

Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:11 pm I actually think Ted > Pyx > Dizzy/TSP just wins tbh

Some tinfoil on Gira Bereft Leetic though
wolfy
if not ted then not gira
if ted then gira
if abigail then not gira
if gira then not abigail
if not ted then

Do any players look scummy if ted is town? thread temperature makes him feel VERY scum, so trying to sus if tmi, busing, or scum pushing over someone else

also who is schweepes

also also apologies in advance imma be a bit of an incoherent bull in a china shop till i get my head around things. Ill try to nvm post if/as opinions change

swap gira to null and abigail to scum

Moves Abby to wolf in this odd exchange. Also continues to push the ted suspicion.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:36 pm to say my sus on abigail explicitly, the Ted>pyx>dizzy feels like a roadmap for a baddie win before it feels like an honest read

Suspects Abby for… pushing the same main suspicion? Granted pyxxy was a town read and Dizzy is Made, but this doesn't feel too well-thought out

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:43 pm [VOTE: abigail] aubergine
fuck it we ball

Votes Abby.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:53 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:48 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:34 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:09 pm Okay after catch up report card

Lawful Good: Ranmilia, DubzDimBuckle, WWA

Chaotic Good: Princess Abigail, Gira, Bereft, Leetic

True Neutral: Dizzy, TSP

Lawful Evil: Pyxxy

Chaotic Evil: Ted

Ordered within tiers

Leetic is dropping for me. Schweppes is rising.

Lawful Goods are locked in and I'm willing to bet the game on it.

Ran, WWA, Rondo want to mason?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:11 pm I actually think Ted > Pyx > Dizzy/TSP just wins tbh

Some tinfoil on Gira Bereft Leetic though
wolfy
if not ted then not gira
if ted then gira
if abigail then not gira
if gira then not abigail
if not ted then

Do any players look scummy if ted is town? thread temperature makes him feel VERY scum, so trying to sus if tmi, busing, or scum pushing over someone else

also who is schweepes

also also apologies in advance imma be a bit of an incoherent bull in a china shop till i get my head around things. Ill try to nvm post if/as opinions change

swap gira to null and abigail to scum
Are you considering ted's PR claim?
ik there is one, but i dont know what the claim is, and i dont think it matters too much because
1. thread is talking about it so im assuming its not provable (yet)
2. if i recall what i read is his claim is he was a two shot that’s spent, no reason for scum to kill him quickly

Ignores ted's claim.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:56 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:52 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:36 pm to say my sus on abigail explicitly, the Ted>pyx>dizzy feels like a roadmap for a baddie win before it feels like an honest read
Well see context would allow you to see I made that before Ted outed themselves as a PR

My personal opinions on that aside I did in fact stop scum reading them after that

I think the fact you and Gira are trying to use a reads list from hours before EoD that certainly changed by EoD is a bit susssss
i mean tbh i don’t really care that ted is PR. if anything it’s scummier that you had this roadmap before knowing he was a power role.

also Hi abigail, it is really nice to meet you! I am made! is this your home site?

The pushes on Abby and ted seem almost contradictory. Also possible buddying, have these players interacted before?

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:57 pm also, we all don’t know he’s actually powerrole….?

this conversation, and lack of votes on ted is a point in the town isle tbh

Starts to move off ted I guess

Come to think of it, looking at the interactions between Abby/Made/RDB would be helpful, and maybe I'll add ted in the mix as well. Too bad I don't have my laptop right now, which would make this easier

Also, another question for @Lime Coke: was Delta a PR, or were they just vanilla aside from their wincon? Any flipped PRs on that side would also be useful to know.

How much PRs is considered "substantial"? 4/13? 5/13? 6/13? The higher the number the higher ted's chance of being town, as I feel a massclaim would've happened already

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