The Syndicate

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:44 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:24 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:16 am Wait, I just had an Idea.

What if thread merged because wolves already won in thread 2? What if there are 2 wolves left in thread 2 and 1 wolf left in thread 1? Does that make any sense?
9-4-1 doesn't appear too balanced but what do I know. But assuming three wolves in each thread ours was at LyLo and theirs was at MiLo, assuming no ITPs of course.
I'm like 95% sure this game started 19 v 6 v 2

Is that counting Bereft as ITP?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:37 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:57 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:55 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:52 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:44 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:39 pm
WWA Declared me town and I proved it last night
... what did you "prove"

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:43 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:39 pm
WWA Declared me town and I proved it last night
Proved it how?
FMPOV I am basically spewed town here. Wolves have tried to get me over as low hanging fruit because I am busy as fuck and I keep coming back and showing I am town. I did and WWA saw it and then everyone town read me and no one pushed me till the day after she was dead and all of a sudden it was kill Rondo. When I came back and started looking around at Abbi/Gira/Ted all of a sudden Made was possible. I tried to get any other wagon going before I passed out but not happening. We were lead into a sleepy vote EOD that I didnt want but had to take
Two of your voters yesterday are flipped town however, which is never a good sign
NO SHIT. Who controls the night kills? Made was on me for self pres as well. We didnt want to vote each other.
Given Gira's deflated attitude, it is a shock that they were killed over me or Ranmilia. Then again, Bereft was apparently killed N3 so maybe the wolves are just high. Still, why do you think Gira was the choice?
These are the kinds kills I subscribe to as mafia lol

tutuu, me, and Werefuck were all pretty expected kills in your last wolf game, so press x to doubt.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:34 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:31 am Also wolves always want to kill the outed roleblocker who could mechanically out one of them, I don't know I can take any claims from someone who claims otherwise seriously. Sure, Windward was only 2-shot, but I don't believe she ever claimed as such.
And another reason why there probably isn't a wolf blocker, and I should have realized this earlier, is because a wolf blocker would've blocked Windward, not me.

*in my side of the thread. I'm forgetting we're merged now

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:31 am Also wolves always want to kill the outed roleblocker who could mechanically out one of them, I don't know I can take any claims from someone who claims otherwise seriously. Sure, Windward was only 2-shot, but I don't believe she ever claimed as such.

And another reason why there probably isn't a wolf blocker, and I should have realized this earlier, is because a wolf blocker would've blocked Windward, not me.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:31 am Also wolves always want to kill the outed roleblocker who could mechanically out one of them, I don't know I can take any claims from someone who claims otherwise seriously. Sure, Windward was only 2-shot, but I don't believe she ever claimed as such.

Probably the only reason I wasn't killed N3 is that wolves didn't anticipate my third shot as I had claimed 2-shot

Also wolves always want to kill the outed roleblocker who could mechanically out one of them, I don't know I can take any claims from someone who claims otherwise seriously. Sure, Windward was only 2-shot, but I don't believe she ever claimed as such.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:28 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:20 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:14 am But I did notice that besides Abby, the other person Bereft was pushing was Ranmilia. Ranmilia seems like the only obvious connection between the Bereft and Gira kills.
Bereft was someone RDB wouldn't want to kill but Abby would. Gira was someone Abby wouldn't want to kill but RDB would. I guess an RDB/Abby pairing would solve this issue but it's still weird.
I don't ever kill mac and wind, I don't kill Bereft (though i guess from your pov i can't prove that) and i don't kill gira heading into today if i know it's not true lylo, which i think wolves must've known. though again idk if that will make sense to you.

"I wouldn't do this as a wolf" is too easy for a wolf to say for me to put any stock in it.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:23 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:15 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:12 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:05 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:05 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:04 am Is tedxtr's vote on RDB EoD4 solid enough evidence that they're not paired?
Not from my pov. its t/t. But I think we are unpaired anyway
You "think"?
lol mate yes, my thought, I think it
Do you think you might be a wolf that didn't get the memo? Why else would you only "think" that you and ted can't be partnered?
haha yep you got me. bake em away toys.

no just the way I play I dont partner with anyone but I have the empathy to understand that other people might not view things the same way as me :think:

So you play every wolf rand as a SK?

Any way you slice it, the Bereft kill was weird enough that I swear the wolves must have had mechanical information on him or something.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:21 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:08 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:05 am wolf!abi doesn't kill me, doesn't kill rondo, doesn't kill leetic... it would have to be ted or gira.
I think Abby actually has more motivation to kill me than Gira, namely to confirm my third tracker shot as real. I don't see why she would kill Gira, who was explicitly pushing Ranmilia/RDB and was quite deflated besides. But it may have had to do with Abby's partner in a w!Abby world.
Is it possible someone with Meta on Gira saw his ATE in thread as basically outing his role card and killed him for it? I was going to push him hard for setting me up as the next day mislynch with TMI on Made being town

Maybe? Still don't see why I was left alive however. Wolves would want to rely on town apathy and leaving me alive accomplishes… not that.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:20 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:14 am But I did notice that besides Abby, the other person Bereft was pushing was Ranmilia. Ranmilia seems like the only obvious connection between the Bereft and Gira kills.
Bereft was someone RDB wouldn't want to kill but Abby would. Gira was someone Abby wouldn't want to kill but RDB would. I guess an RDB/Abby pairing would solve this issue but it's still weird.

And of course, the lack of a flip for Bereft adds a bit of fuckery that makes it even harder to draw a conclusion there.

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:14 am But I did notice that besides Abby, the other person Bereft was pushing was Ranmilia. Ranmilia seems like the only obvious connection between the Bereft and Gira kills.

Bereft was someone RDB wouldn't want to kill but Abby would. Gira was someone Abby wouldn't want to kill but RDB would. I guess an RDB/Abby pairing would solve this issue but it's still weird.

Jack hasn't contradicted anything Ranmilia has said, and that would be impressive as a wolf to work around posting all the solving of a confirmed town. But there are a couple things that still make me wonder.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:12 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:05 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:05 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:04 am Is tedxtr's vote on RDB EoD4 solid enough evidence that they're not paired?
Not from my pov. its t/t. But I think we are unpaired anyway
You "think"?
lol mate yes, my thought, I think it

Do you think you might be a wolf that didn't get the memo? Why else would you only "think" that you and ted can't be partnered?

But I did notice that besides Abby, the other person Bereft was pushing was Ranmilia. Ranmilia seems like the only obvious connection between the Bereft and Gira kills.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:11 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:08 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:05 am wolf!abi doesn't kill me, doesn't kill rondo, doesn't kill leetic... it would have to be ted or gira.
I think Abby actually has more motivation to kill me than Gira, namely to confirm my third tracker shot as real. I don't see why she would kill Gira, who was explicitly pushing Ranmilia/RDB and was quite deflated besides. But it may have had to do with Abby's partner in a w!Abby world.
why would she kill you to confirm that rather than keep you alive? *you* would know your track is real and presumably be more likely to not vote her.

Others (mostly RDB and tedxtr) were skeptical that the third track was real. But since a three-shot role has flipped in the other thread that should put all doubt about the matter to rest anyway.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:05 am wolf!abi doesn't kill me, doesn't kill rondo, doesn't kill leetic... it would have to be ted or gira.

I think Abby actually has more motivation to kill me than Gira, namely to confirm my third tracker shot as real. I don't see why she would kill Gira, who was explicitly pushing Ranmilia/RDB and was quite deflated besides. But it may have had to do with Abby's partner in a w!Abby world.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:05 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:04 am Is tedxtr's vote on RDB EoD4 solid enough evidence that they're not paired?
Not from my pov. its t/t. But I think we are unpaired anyway

You "think"?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 2:04 am Is tedxtr's vote on RDB EoD4 solid enough evidence that they're not paired?

Granted, he last posted an hour before EoD but still

Is tedxtr's vote on RDB EoD4 solid enough evidence that they're not paired?

pyxxy/DizzyMade being t/t is probably the biggest surprise of the game. It makes you wonder what the hell the wolves were doing EoD2. Unless it really is Abby/ted…

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:59 am Although it is notable that TSP parked on RDB for most of D2 and seemed to be encouraging others to join his wagon.

He oddly did not try to join the much more viable pyxxy or DizzyMade wagons despite both being town, so make of that what you will

Although it is notable that TSP parked on RDB for most of D2 and seemed to be encouraging others to join his wagon.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:52 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:49 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:41 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:26 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:09 am While we may not be able to quote iso's I think it'd be helpful if we reviewed our threads and at least comment as to who should be removed from PoE and why.
me - killed TSP, attested towny by all dead town, kept alive because i was tunneled on dizzymade and prob shielding a wolf in rondo/abi, can't wolf this well and would be a ridiculously self defeating strategy.

leetic - constantly solving, often abrasive but has what we call a reality distortion field. jack has several games experience with and swears up and down this is town leetic. tracker claim.

... that's pretty much it on our side.
LOL. I killed TSP, was attested towny by all dead town WWA/Made/Pyxxy/Robyn and anyone who can say something about their meta can break it
you killed tsp by hopping around on the wagon late. i killed tsp by actually finding and casing him when WWA and others were top towning him. we've been over this. you suspect me? you think i am a wolf with tsp?
Incorrect. I killed TSP by actually starting the fucking wagon with WWA. She said lets get the ball rolling and I followed her 0 hesitation. 2nd on wagon. I jumped around to see how people reacted eod and I said it once but I will say it again. 0 chance I didnt end the day voting with the IC

You gotta keep in mind that you did come close to saving TSP by making DizzyMade tied, even if you did switch off (though at first, you switched to me and not TSP)

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:50 am Okay, Gira was pushing Ranmilia/RDB at the time of their death, though they were kinda hedging on tedxtr. I don't see why Abby would want to kill Gira here, but maybe it was her wolf partner.

Although I was not much of a threat to Abby by EoD, though at least confirming my third shot would help her. Still, who would wolf!Abby's preferred target be there? ted?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:51 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:49 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:48 am fuck I hate linux, its jank on top of jank supported by jank. My god why
I like Linux, no shitty ads or DRM or "assistants" or anything of the sort. Sadly am stuck on my phone for this one
I had to destroy and rebuild a industrial box for reasons.tm and I am a little bit literate but my god by the time this is spun up I will be a master

I've had to use Linux for my scientific work, so I have some experience. It can be a pain in the ass to set up a VirtualBox or whatever though.

Okay, Gira was pushing Ranmilia/RDB at the time of their death, though they were kinda hedging on tedxtr. I don't see why Abby would want to kill Gira here, but maybe it was her wolf partner.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:48 am fuck I hate linux, its jank on top of jank supported by jank. My god why

I like Linux, no shitty ads or DRM or "assistants" or anything of the sort. Sadly am stuck on my phone for this one

I mean, Abby was the only person Bereft seemed to be suspecting, so there's that. I'll look over Gira's latest EoD in a bit but I mostly remembered that they were acting really deflated and that town would lose because they would be mislynched in LyLo (lol)

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:43 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:26 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:09 am While we may not be able to quote iso's I think it'd be helpful if we reviewed our threads and at least comment as to who should be removed from PoE and why.
me - killed TSP, attested towny by all dead town, kept alive because i was tunneled on dizzymade and prob shielding a wolf in rondo/abi, can't wolf this well and would be a ridiculously self defeating strategy.

leetic - constantly solving, often abrasive but has what we call a reality distortion field. jack has several games experience with and swears up and down this is town leetic. tracker claim.

... that's pretty much it on our side.
I have massive tinfoil with leetic but I guess in the spirit of solving outside of my tinfoil I am just going to ignore it

At this point, I'm not sure why I'm not dead either. Bereft and Gira both seem like odd choices for nightkills. And it's not like the weird NKs are the consequence of TSP being dead either, as the first kill after his death was the expected target Windward.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:41 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:26 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:09 am While we may not be able to quote iso's I think it'd be helpful if we reviewed our threads and at least comment as to who should be removed from PoE and why.
me - killed TSP, attested towny by all dead town, kept alive because i was tunneled on dizzymade and prob shielding a wolf in rondo/abi, can't wolf this well and would be a ridiculously self defeating strategy.

leetic - constantly solving, often abrasive but has what we call a reality distortion field. jack has several games experience with and swears up and down this is town leetic. tracker claim.

... that's pretty much it on our side.
LOL. I killed TSP, was attested towny by all dead town WWA/Made/Pyxxy/Robyn and anyone who can say something about their meta can break it

Town can never be wrong, I guess. Though at this point, a wolf has to have helped kill TSP unless the solve is exactly tedxtr/Abby. And is that a likely team with how much they were fighting throughout the game? I mean, it's worth keeping in mind, but still.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:26 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:24 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:16 am Wait, I just had an Idea.

What if thread merged because wolves already won in thread 2? What if there are 2 wolves left in thread 2 and 1 wolf left in thread 1? Does that make any sense?
9-4-1 doesn't appear too balanced but what do I know. But assuming three wolves in each thread ours was at LyLo and theirs was at MiLo, assuming no ITPs of course.
what is ITP?

Independent/Third Party

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:22 am Just skimmed both Alexy and Cape's ISO.

With Cape there's enough early interactions between Ilario and Brad that voting there over Alexy would be unwise I think.

PoE our side is just Alexy as it stands.

Yeah, your side may have the easier solve with two flipped wolves but I'll always feel a little uncomfortable voting there as I can't verify these interactions for myself

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:16 am Wait, I just had an Idea.

What if thread merged because wolves already won in thread 2? What if there are 2 wolves left in thread 2 and 1 wolf left in thread 1? Does that make any sense?

9-4-1 doesn't appear too balanced but what do I know. But assuming three wolves in each thread ours was at LyLo and theirs was at MiLo, assuming no ITPs of course.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:08 am I have to plan for my ttrpg session tonight and then GM it tomorrow. Between work and sleep I have a bit of time tonight and almost no time within the next 36 hours after that. So I will try to show up later and vote but ill just be [VOTE: no vote ] aubergine for now

Why vote no vote when it's just the same as not voting at all?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 12:59 amNo clue

Just checking, did you ever receive a shadow vote?

Does anyone from the other thread have any idea how DarlingMonroe and tutuu died? I feel like I've asked this multiple times and have yet to get an answer

6-3, which this game seems to be most likely at, isn't typically LyLo or even MyLo for that matter, so there has to be a twist here. It can't be 5-4, which is guaranteed LyLo. 5-3-1 would maybe make sense, except that lynching the ITP would guarantee the game to continue in that case and the OP says that lynching a wolf is the only way to do that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:00 pm NOTE: While this is not technically an "endgame" phase in the classical sense, it is possible for the game to end this cycle. The only certain path to continuation is by voting out a mafia member.[/size]

Given this wording, I doubt it's an ITP causing the issue, as otherwise lynching them would almost certainly guarantee the game to continue. I also think this means that no lynch isn't a safe vote either.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 10:11 pm Scotty recently died and he was a 3-shot re-director it looks like

Oh yeah, and to anyone who doubts my claims of being three-shot, here you go

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm Is it possible it's:
DarlingMonroe/Made
Brad/Bereft?
With some sort of mechanic to prevent Bereft from flipping so his partner isn't outted?

I do think this confusion is a bit townie; I at least doubt that psv would say this if psv/RDB is w/w

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:38 pm I still think that solving from the idea that there are two remaining from my thread and one from the other is best. I doubt that only two wolves threatens to end the game here unless we are dealing with ridiculous KP or a very swingy ITP.

And from that, I think it would probably be best to look at my side, as from my perspective, voting in Abby/Ranmilia/RDB/tedxtr seems to have a 50% chance to hit a wolf. Maybe that's because I don't know where to start when looking at the people from the other thread though.

I still think that solving from the idea that there are two remaining from my thread and one from the other is best. I doubt that only two wolves threatens to end the game here unless we are dealing with ridiculous KP or a very swingy ITP.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:32 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:24 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:11 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm That'd help explain why we had so many deaths on our side last night, too. Given we were staggered so the vote hit us later. DM was VT as well.
That just makes more sense to me.
I don't get what you mean by this
I guess I could ask you directly if you ever got a shadow vote.
I never have

So you're probably my partner (assuming Wilgy did receive a shadow vote). And with that, every pairing seems to have been confirmed.

So we have nine players remaining. Supposedly, this has a potential (though not guaranteed) chance of a mislynch ending the game. I think that means four wolves is right out, but what else does that say? Is it true that DarlingMonroe and tutuu died at the same thing? Apparently despite the extra player the other thread has less representatives here, so I wonder what made the difference

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:11 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm That'd help explain why we had so many deaths on our side last night, too. Given we were staggered so the vote hit us later. DM was VT as well.
That just makes more sense to me.
I don't get what you mean by this

I guess I could ask you directly if you ever got a shadow vote.

Alexy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:19 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:15 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:14 pm I believe my partner is probably Rondo. Someone else had said as much on our thread as well.
Yeah, the shadow votes confirm as such. Do you have a record of the shadow votes in the other thread?
all I remember is tutu got one on day 2

Can you check to see if anyone else got one? tutuu obviously got one because of robyn, but if Cape90 or DrWilgy got one it's because of ted

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:14 pm I believe my partner is probably Rondo. Someone else had said as much on our thread as well.

Yeah, the shadow votes confirm as such. Do you have a record of the shadow votes in the other thread?

I think I've calculated that one w/w pairing is statistically common if the pairings are randomnized, and that seems to be the case since we have a confirmed w/t pairing

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 11:10 pm Is it possible it's:
DarlingMonroe/Made
Brad/Bereft?
With some sort of mechanic to prevent Bereft from flipping so his partner isn't outted?

Also Bereft died in the night and was dead by the time Brad arrived

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