The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:00 pm My argument is, Nut was killed so that you could continue the push of East side players.

You're response is, 'but look, nut suspected both of you' and you then post a lone suspicion on WWA and avoid all the posts of Nut advocating for west as well.

Because that totally wouldn't case the remaining wolves to lash out at my side of the thread! I'm starting to wonder if that is the reason

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:45 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:39 pm Actually uhhh 360 no scope [VOTE: windwardaway] aubergine

I just got bored enough to finally go back to reading some east facility isos and I feel better about wilgy and worse about wind again

Think wilgy posts dont quite make sense with either team but wind fits as landlord (and radish could still be the arbiter)

Wilgy did basically just never interact with brad yeah but idk just a vibe that i could easily see him as just uninformed while i could see your brad comments as a light bus
Read Brad's response to me, though
He didn't even reply directly to me and just went like, oh man, I thought you were town as soon as I voted him
You are the only non-flipped (non-me) name in his town list and I think it's decently likely he included his teammate actually. Put you second. I mean either way that gets read is just gonna be confbiased but I don't see why his response to you can't be a teammate interaction

You were saying?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:38 pm Further, nutella voted WWA and was fairly suspicious of Wilgy. It's not like neither of you have motivation to kill nutella. Furthermore, it's not like wolves ever make strategical blunders, look at the D1 pyxxy bus for instance. The nutella kill wouldn't be smart from my point of view either, as I'd want to leave options in the other side open and killing in my side would make my worldview look more true. If Davos is a wolf though, the nutella kill would make some sense as if they can lynch the other person from the other side they'd have a good chance of winning; it would essentially be a gambit to ensure the elimination of the other wolf one way or another. Since Wilgy isn't really pushing WWA (although from your point of view you should!) it was probably WWA who killed nutella. That might make Wilgy the better vote however, for reasons I've already explained.
Chalking up a singular nk to a blunder is just incorrect to do so. If it was a blunder, WWA doesn't make it and neither do I. Killing in your side does keep your worldview in tact, BUT it also doesn't actively remove a player from the pool who was in opposition to that worldview. WWA can still be a wolf as I advised earlier, but I'm not going to yeet strictly on that being the case when both Davos continues to remain unsolved and we are incorrectly building our solve on unconfirmed mechanics.

WWA killed Nutella, yeets me, then what? What is WWA's angle going forward from there?

How was nutella a threat to my worldview when she was perfectly willing to vote both you and WWA?

You have to consider the reverse too; if wolves are only in the other side they'd want to encourage people to vote in my side as much as possible. nutella was unlikely to do this as she suspected Wilgy and WWA, so this may be another reason why she was killed.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:34 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:31 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:28 pm Plus I didn't say you WERE Davos, you are clearly Davos aligned. You've consistently pushed mechanics that are not confirmed and we've been chain yeeting town because of it.
This reeks of more desperation than anything WWA has done. What exactly have you done to deal with Davos?
Ew, and you argue non objective feeling in response to a case that I think is very accurate. I've at least argued that we can be wrong on the slot, only WWA seemed to even want to entertain that idea.

Like what, your case on me is that I didn't do anything to lynch Davos when you haven't either? You also voted in your side for the last several days, only stopping because it would incriminate you. What am I supposed to say to that?

Further, nutella voted WWA and was fairly suspicious of Wilgy. It's not like neither of you have motivation to kill nutella. Furthermore, it's not like wolves ever make strategical blunders, look at the D1 pyxxy bus for instance. The nutella kill wouldn't be smart from my point of view either, as I'd want to leave options in the other side open and killing in my side would make my worldview look more true. If Davos is a wolf though, the nutella kill would make some sense as if they can lynch the other person from the other side they'd have a good chance of winning; it would essentially be a gambit to ensure the elimination of the other wolf one way or another. Since Wilgy isn't really pushing WWA (although from your point of view you should!) it was probably WWA who killed nutella. That might make Wilgy the better vote however, for reasons I've already explained.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:28 pm Plus I didn't say you WERE Davos, you are clearly Davos aligned. You've consistently pushed mechanics that are not confirmed and we've been chain yeeting town because of it.

This reeks of more desperation than anything WWA has done. What exactly have you done to deal with Davos?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 pm The only players who'd kill Nutella are Epi/Leetic. Leetic has been pretty much the most vocal on both chain yeeting WWA and I, and that Davos should be ignored.

Davos - Leetic aligned. Leetic keeps suggesting we take alternative routes to solving this and keeps treating this slot with confidence that it can be solved this way.

Delta - would be incriminated, much more likely to make a kill on west that removes detractors.

Epi - COULD make the kill, but killing Nutella and then not focusing on WWA doesn't make sense. W Epi could in fact choose to not take the path of least resistance, but I probably just lose to that. (also took the lingerie, I wanted that.)

Leetic - WOULD have made the kill. Went from suspecting MR as remaining arbiter, to voting me in contrary to suspicion on MR, and only really moving back to MR on the justification of self voting. Nutella and MR both were the east side players that were vocal on that the PoE being east was incorrect. Leetic's play keeps us constrained to the East PoE and has consistently ignored/minimized Davos. (also they grabbed the weapon option provided today, which is probably minor but i don't like it anyways.)

Sig - Has no reason to make the kill. Was already advocating suspicion on both threads, so hitting Nutella doesn't really advance that at all and removes someone who never really advocated against them.

WWA - would be incriminated, can still be wolf but didn't make the Nutella kill.

Me being Davos is flat-out impossible, as Cape90 was the only player who could see both threads. Your case kinda falls apart there.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:48 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:16 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:01 am
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:49 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Love Delta, but I should've done this a long time ago.
Why aren't you going after anyone on the other side?
Because I don't care about that.
You don't care about winning?
I don't care about playing against the hosts.

Do you have confirmation that the mafia members were evenly divided?

I can accept that as a possibility, but I'm not operating as though that's gospel.
Even if not, do you think that 2-6 is a reasonable divide? There are many scenarios where town would have been forced to mislynch D2 on the other side with that setup, depending on vigs/etc.
If they divided randomly, you're making a terrible mistake in that assumption.

I refuse to make assumptions.

I'm going to vote based on what I think and not on what you assume.

If it's split randomly, there would be around a 15% probability of six or more wolves on one side… except that would have the possibility of there being one or even zero wolves on one side, which is a level of bastardry that I wouldn't expect from this game. The wolves have to be WWA and Wilgy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:01 am
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:49 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Love Delta, but I should've done this a long time ago.
Why aren't you going after anyone on the other side?
Because I don't care about that.
You don't care about winning?
I don't care about playing against the hosts.

Do you have confirmation that the mafia members were evenly divided?

I can accept that as a possibility, but I'm not operating as though that's gospel.

Even if not, do you think that 2-6 is a reasonable divide? There are many scenarios where town would have been forced to mislynch D2 on the other side with that setup, depending on vigs/etc.

Given that nutella killed Lemonfairy, it's doubtful that wolves thought they were the last arbiter. So the kill more likely comes from the landlords, which makes enough sense. Still, it makes me wonder if we're better off gunning for the last arbiter in case the theory that teams can only shoot on odd or even nights is true.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 3:01 am
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:49 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Love Delta, but I should've done this a long time ago.
Why aren't you going after anyone on the other side?
Because I don't care about that.

You don't care about winning?

[VOTE: WindwardAway] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:25 pm The people who pushed Nutella late in the game are all flipped townies now. Radishes, TSP and Nanook. I really don't get it.

Hmm... I don't see why you would've killed nutella /s

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:39 pm But wouldn't that have to be Delta?
Should I reconsider leetic? I find it a little odd that he doesn't think the TSP poison came from town, but maybe I'm the odd one.
I don't think it's likely that Epi is a wolf, especially if he's the one who poisoned TSP, but it's not like all my reads have been that great. It's been a mixed bag.
I do feel fairly confident that Sig is town, though.

Why would town poison TSP when wolves are considerably more likely to come from the other side? Hell, the poison could have solved the Davos problem, but whatever. This feels like flailing

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:41 pm [VOTE: Delta] aubergine

Love Delta, but I should've done this a long time ago.

Why aren't you going after anyone on the other side?

So let's reflect on the situation we currently find ourselves in. This is essentially equivalent to four townies and two serial killers, assuming no remaining ITPs, which is the most common six-player setup I believe so some people think it's balanced (but swingy). Of course, that isn't counting Davos. Still, it would be wise to treat this as essentially LyLo, as there is basically no way for town to win if we mislynch today that doesn't involve wolves crossfiring, and it is not in wolves' best interest to crossfire right now (though it does lead to a bit of a Prisoner's Dilemma-esque situation). The nutella kill is either a sign of desperation, or of a wolf confident that they already have the win. It may not just be a matter of getting a wolf today, we might have to get the correct wolf, but unfortunately claiming isn't allowed so there is little mechanical information to work off. We're still in a situation where if WWA/Wilgy is t/t, one side has six wolves while the other has two, and don't let people forget that.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:53 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:22 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:19 pm That poison on TSP sure was disappointing, btw
Not the worst choice I guess, but still disappointing
Probably either a wolf ability, or an effect of the card that TSP chose
Why would you jump to assuming it would be strictly from a wolf?
I said I believe it came from town, because I believe I know who it was from, and I think they're town.
You have no comment on that?

Why would town kill in my side when the wolves are likely from the other side? TSP wasn't even under as much scrutiny as say Delta

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:19 pm That poison on TSP sure was disappointing, btw
Not the worst choice I guess, but still disappointing

Probably either a wolf ability, or an effect of the card that TSP chose

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:18 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:16 pm Do we think there's a realistic chance that Davos *is* an external player? Did you guys ever discuss in the West Facility whether you thought Scrappy was one of you, or an external player?
Just because I'm considering whether it's possible for Davos to be a wolf without being attached to anyone in East (Wilgy/me). I'm not really sure Wilgy would speculate on whether Davos is an external player or not if he's the puppetmaster, and Davos's votes haven't matched with Wilgy's, either. And Cape's flip proves it's impossible for Davos to belong to anyone from West.
The only reason this is important is because if it is a separate player, then Davos could be a wolf we're letting skate by because of the assumption they're attached to someone.

If they're an outside player, it doesn't matter because they've done jack shit anyway. The only reason to be interested in such a concern is for looking at meta/etc., which wouldn't be helpful anyway given Davos's ISO. This looks like a distraction at this point.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:05 pm So interesting kill. I don't know why wolves would kill nutella here, as it extremely narrows the possibility of who the wolves can be regardless of how nutella flips. The only way I could see it happening is if wolves were really confident they could win if only the other team gets destroyed.

So, what that tells me is the culprit is someone who gambled on nutella and lost. That might point to WWA, as I can see them being confident that the could win a thunderdome with Wilgy. Still, nutella did suspect Wilgy for a while, but that would be a major strategical blunder from Wilgy unless they have an ace up their sleeve like Davos being a wolf.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:05 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

You have no fucking clue how weird I feel about all of this, btw

So, if threads are even, you're a wolf. How do you plead?

So interesting kill. I don't know why wolves would kill nutella here, as it extremely narrows the possibility of who the wolves can be regardless of how nutella flips. The only way I could see it happening is if wolves were really confident they could win if only the other team gets destroyed.

[VOTE: Spear] aubergine @Scotty @S~V~S

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:59 pm I do see the second D4 vote now, btw, and Davos dug a hole (which makes sense since scrappy could too)

That's proof that they count: Scrappy's hole killed them

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:57 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:56 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:56 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:54 pm what actually is stopping us from voting davos btw
Nothing tbh
But if it's a player listed as playing in the game, then whatever Davos is likely doesn't count toward parity, so we'd get their flip but it probably equates to a no-lunch
If they're a wolf, they have to count as that vote could help control the lynch?
mentioned earlier but I dont think the puppet votes are weighted, if that changes anything ?_?

Do you have evidence that they don't? I don't know what purpose they'd have if they couldn't vote

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:56 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:54 pm what actually is stopping us from voting davos btw
Nothing tbh
But if it's a player listed as playing in the game, then whatever Davos is likely doesn't count toward parity, so we'd get their flip but it probably equates to a no-lunch

If they're a wolf, they have to count as that vote could help control the lynch?

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:54 pm what actually is stopping us from voting davos btw

Inertia. That, and it may be wise to go after Davos's owner (assuming they're not dead already) rather than Davos themselves.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:53 pm
Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:51 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:49 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:46 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:43 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:39 pm I felt confident earlier that we would win this game, regardless of whether I get yeeted today or not, because I was shutting out any paranoia about uneven wolf distributions. So I wasn't concerned at all with it, and I figured I had it coming after I pushed Nook way harder than anyone else yesterday. But as I said before, it's kinda opened a can of worms now and there is not only a danger that we yeet all of East when there might be a wolf in West, but there is also a danger that all the wolves really are in East but we go for someone in West and lose the game that way.
6 wolves in one side and 2 in the other is such an absurd distribution though, especially as the flipped ITP on your side appears to be non-hostile while it is unclear whether or not Sloonei was hostile.
I highly doubt it's 6v2
I think the only chance the distribution is uneven is if Davos is a wolf puppet, and their owner is in East, and that extra vote skews the distribution so that one wolf of the opposite team is in West instead
So 3/5 with East having 3+Davos and West having 5
That's the only way, other than 4/4, I could see it being split.
That would mean that one wolf team is more powerful than the other. It would also mean Davos has to be Lemonfairy (unlikely) or Brad, as otherwise one team would have only one vote in the thread compared to the other team's three
Not necessarily. I have reason to believe Davos has a heavy post AND vote restriction, and as such I believe the other team could easily have some kind of compensatory role like a secret double voter or something.
?????????
Let's just say I think he's restricted to one post/vote per day
That's all he ever did in East Facility
And once the threads merged? I've seen even less.

They posted/voted twice on D4? That may be why they hadn't posted D5 however

Davos wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:52 pm Arrr

[VOTE: Nutella ] aubergine

Look who decided to show up

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:49 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:46 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:43 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:39 pm I felt confident earlier that we would win this game, regardless of whether I get yeeted today or not, because I was shutting out any paranoia about uneven wolf distributions. So I wasn't concerned at all with it, and I figured I had it coming after I pushed Nook way harder than anyone else yesterday. But as I said before, it's kinda opened a can of worms now and there is not only a danger that we yeet all of East when there might be a wolf in West, but there is also a danger that all the wolves really are in East but we go for someone in West and lose the game that way.
6 wolves in one side and 2 in the other is such an absurd distribution though, especially as the flipped ITP on your side appears to be non-hostile while it is unclear whether or not Sloonei was hostile.
I highly doubt it's 6v2
I think the only chance the distribution is uneven is if Davos is a wolf puppet, and their owner is in East, and that extra vote skews the distribution so that one wolf of the opposite team is in West instead
So 3/5 with East having 3+Davos and West having 5
That's the only way, other than 4/4, I could see it being split.
That would mean that one wolf team is more powerful than the other. It would also mean Davos has to be Lemonfairy (unlikely) or Brad, as otherwise one team would have only one vote in the thread compared to the other team's three
Not necessarily. I have reason to believe Davos has a heavy post AND vote restriction, and as such I believe the other team could easily have some kind of compensatory role like a secret double voter or something.

If that kind of role was in play, surely we'd have seen evidence by now? That could have flipped the falcon lynch for instance

Has Davos even done anything today? You'd think they'd get modkilled after two days of no activity but whatever

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:46 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:43 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:39 pm I felt confident earlier that we would win this game, regardless of whether I get yeeted today or not, because I was shutting out any paranoia about uneven wolf distributions. So I wasn't concerned at all with it, and I figured I had it coming after I pushed Nook way harder than anyone else yesterday. But as I said before, it's kinda opened a can of worms now and there is not only a danger that we yeet all of East when there might be a wolf in West, but there is also a danger that all the wolves really are in East but we go for someone in West and lose the game that way.
6 wolves in one side and 2 in the other is such an absurd distribution though, especially as the flipped ITP on your side appears to be non-hostile while it is unclear whether or not Sloonei was hostile.
I highly doubt it's 6v2
I think the only chance the distribution is uneven is if Davos is a wolf puppet, and their owner is in East, and that extra vote skews the distribution so that one wolf of the opposite team is in West instead
So 3/5 with East having 3+Davos and West having 5
That's the only way, other than 4/4, I could see it being split.

That would mean that one wolf team is more powerful than the other. It would also mean Davos has to be Lemonfairy (unlikely) or Brad, as otherwise one team would have only one vote in the thread compared to the other team's three

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:42 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:41 pm The power's back on, just in time for EoD. Let me know if anything happened I should focus on.
Radishes is top wagon rn but not by much since he self-voted
And someone is poisoned

Yeah, self-voters can bite it [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:39 pm I felt confident earlier that we would win this game, regardless of whether I get yeeted today or not, because I was shutting out any paranoia about uneven wolf distributions. So I wasn't concerned at all with it, and I figured I had it coming after I pushed Nook way harder than anyone else yesterday. But as I said before, it's kinda opened a can of worms now and there is not only a danger that we yeet all of East when there might be a wolf in West, but there is also a danger that all the wolves really are in East but we go for someone in West and lose the game that way.

6 wolves in one side and 2 in the other is such an absurd distribution though, especially as the flipped ITP on your side appears to be non-hostile while it is unclear whether or not Sloonei was hostile.

The power's back on, just in time for EoD. Let me know if anything happened I should focus on.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:06 pm My power's out. I only have however much battery is left in my phone and laptop, so I may not be able to be too terribly active until this is resolved.

Wait, I can't use my laptop, because I have no WiFi. And my mobile data's slow as balls; it took 15 minutes for this page to load. Anyway, [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine, couldn't look into it too deeply but they seem like they have the highest chance of flipping wolf right now. Sorry I can't do any more this phase (unless the power miraculously come back), I can't control when we have shit weather.

My power's out. I only have however much battery is left in my phone and laptop, so I may not be able to be too terribly active until this is resolved.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:26 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:52 am Here's my GTH ordering for each Facility.

Long Con
Sloonei
Epignosis
leetic
TonyStarkPrime
Delta
sig

WindwardAway
DrWilgy
nutella
Master Radishes
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Davos
LC's reads list before he died. MR was the lowest ranking player after NANOOK's death (unless Davos really is bad and killed LC?). Is that really a position worth killing over? It may have been that wolves considered LC the towniest remaining player from my side, as killing in their own side would be really bad for wolves numbers-wise even if they have a good shot of getting rid of the other team. But why over, say, me or Epi? Perhaps it is not in what LC got right, but in what we got wrong

Or maybe they killed LC because of their read on WWA, as they wanted them to be more likely to be lynched? But LC was not alone in this read and wasn't really know for hard defending WWA outside of this post

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:52 am Here's my GTH ordering for each Facility.

Long Con
Sloonei
Epignosis
leetic
TonyStarkPrime
Delta
sig

WindwardAway
DrWilgy
nutella
Master Radishes
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Davos

LC's reads list before he died. MR was the lowest ranking player after NANOOK's death (unless Davos really is bad and killed LC?). Is that really a position worth killing over? It may have been that wolves considered LC the towniest remaining player from my side, as killing in their own side would be really bad for wolves numbers-wise even if they have a good shot of getting rid of the other team. But why over, say, me or Epi? Perhaps it is not in what LC got right, but in what we got wrong

Of the four remaining people from the other thread, WWA was the only one Abby directly interacted with. She interacted with a few others like Lemonfairy, NANOOK, and Dyslexicon (all unaligned) but it was uncommon. Still, Abby only had one partner at that point and a sample size of one is too small to draw any real conclusions.

Now, from what we know, Lemonfairy did not bus falcon. Ricochet did vote falcon, but only after throwing a lot of other shit to the wall that failed to stick. Notably, both falcon and Lemonfairy were on the DM wagon, suggesting there was some level of coordination to keep falcon safe. Now, given that three of the remaining people from the other side were on the falcon wagon before Ricochet, it would suggest that bussing was always in the cards if any of them are the last partner. WWA was on relatively early if I remember correctly, and Wilgy focused on pushing falcon to the exclusion of most anything else. MR dropped off at some point, which would have been basically the opposite of Ricochet's behavior. It could still be nutella, but if that's the case Ricochet and nutella had an opportunity to tie the wagons by both voting DM (granted, every member of a wolf team being on the same wagon is not something that happens often outside of NSM and they may have been worried about losing the rand).

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Anyway, dumping the first batch.

Wagoners*

* given the VC at the time of submitting this
NB: not sure the poll reflects the vote chronology as well, but I'll just roll with the names as they appear

falcon

Monroe
-- seems to have parked on falcon just now, despite all their posts being bark back at Epignosis. I suppose it counts as self-pres?
-- just to add to their read, minus point for their recent post aimed at Epignosis, tone still aggro defensive and not the most respectable wording towards Epignosis, either

sig
pyxxy connection: labelled it as unlikely
much of what I've noted down from sig's activity is in fact case-making on falcon, arguments being that falcon is within wolf range and that the Western night kills could show pattern of clean-up in his aid. also admits mindmeld with leetic on the night kills angle. seems fine

Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag

Windward
-- noted her more of a Lemon wagoner for much of D3; falcon switch comes down to disliking falcon's "opportunism" rebuttal at Radishes, it seems. bit cheeky to word it as "happy to join the opportunistic train". later camps reactive attitude, in principle, towards mafia lean. again, had more interest in others, but I can see how the view on falcon might have soured in time and treat the gameplay as wolf-likely
-- activity-wise, I'd rate Windward towny. ample material, not gonna develop full read at this time.

Long Con
pyxxy connection: labelled him sussworthy
-- it is accurate that LC has suss on falcon throughout West period
-- it is also accurate that his waffle on falcon came from trusting Abigail's tone/meta read, true both during West time and during D3 here
-- as far as coming back on falcon wagon, late on seems to make a read - not agreeing with his towning claim, finding his counter-suspicions omgusey. think it's adequate
-- didn't note down any pings from LC today tbh, though overall I find him a bit puzzling. his D3 is probably the better-looking phase of his activity thus far, engaged and opinionated more on the topics, but at times I also he's tagteaming others (much "starting to see this" responses), quite the buddy dynamic with Epignosis, lighthearted banter and focused replies in equal measures. ech, probably wouldn't focus on deciphering this for now

leetic
pyxxy connection: labeled him unlikely
-- pretty much wagons falcon for the nightkill angle; dismisses falcon's defense on that as wifom; don't recall him tackling any other point about falcon
-- really conflicted about leetic overall: was my topwolf pick and vote D1, the aggro-tone was prevalent; Abigail (in West) and Dizzy (in here) mentioned that this is normal leetic; then D2 he shifts into a Pyxxy Scientist (ISO'ing interactions), drop most of the prod and poke tone, a solving attitude I shared and in turned like;
-- now? I'm seeing way less of D2. announced ISOs from West D2, did not deliver; had to defend a bit re: gifting a player who flipped wolf, don't know if that's a topic of suss. informed the merged group of his Pyxxy Science findings, that's fair. couple more reads (Nanook for instance), no definitive wording. still, really slowed down performance. puzzling.

DrWilgy
-- seems to base and bank his falcon vote on lack of townspewing alone. I'd label this a tad narrowing
-- no developed read on his activity atm. word that came to mind, upon quick scroll, was "scrambled". perhaps within expectations.

Looking at flipped town and people from my side that we can reasonably assume aren't partnered, it seems a lot of them are people he waffled/hedged on, with sig being the exception. Wilgy's stands out for being the shortest, granted it's not much shorter than DM's or sig's but the longest two are both on town (though I haven't flipped yet so you'll just have to take my word for it for now). Another thing about his summary of Wilgy is that it says nothing; even with the hedginess/waffliness of some of the others it was clear he was setting up suspicion on them. WWA's seems to be a townread with little to no reservations, although the same can be said for sig; WWA's is longer, as if he felt he needed to try harder to explain that TR (in fairness, WWA posted a lot more than sig did). MR seems to have been townread, but with a bit of hedging; this isn't unlike some of the others we know to be unaligned however. Unfortunately, as this was looking at falcon wagon, nutella isn't on here, nor do we have Lemonfairy as a point of comparison

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:55 pm

wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:42 pm WindwardAway - posts
falcon45ca - posts - Stanley Yelnats IV (Mafia)

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned

Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes
I suspected both sig and falcon in the N0 thread lol
maybe it's time I should do a little backreading but I'd like to hear the cases on them too

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:55 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:47 am Wait, there's art

Imma check it out
The submissions are great

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:04 pm Of the voters on my wagon, Abi & MR look the most opportunistic

[VOTE: freon] aubergine
who's Freon?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:38 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:05 pm Your vote on my wagon feels opportunistic.
No it doesn't.
I like MR's response here

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:48 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:44 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:34 pm "Opportunistic"
is such an overused word
never good reason
It's the cheapest and easiest go-to reason for a Wolf to use as (part of) a reason to cast a vote on someone.

Town probably use it sometimes as well, it's an understandable way to feel when you're feeling besieged.

But mostly wolfy.

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine I do not feel like this is opportunistic, since I've made a case on you in the past, and have you in the red zone of my rainbow list.
I use the word more when I'm town, but regardless, I'm happy to join the "opportunism" :P

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

don't think falcon's doing himself any favors right now.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:41 pm

Falcon hasn't shared any townreads?
@falcon45ca is this true?

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wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:42 pm WindwardAway - posts
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WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:47 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:11 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:57 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:32 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:26 pm all of the people who claim to be good at reading falcon, dead and alive, think falcon is town
These people could all be overestimating their own abilities.
I'd personally love to know who these people are
You're one of them.
I rescinded cause Caitlin than rescinded my rescind cause me again

Vote: DM
ah, I see it now (Abbi back to townreading falcon)
hmm

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:12 pm

wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:42 pm nutella - posts
falcon45ca - posts - Stanley Yelnats IV (Mafia)

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:20 pm I am curious
to hear the case on Delta
that has been mentioned

Curious that sig
and falcon are both suspects;
had early good vibes

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:27 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:10 am The last game I played with Falcon, he was very aggressive right off the bat. He was picking fights and twisting words in a way that looked like he was trying to generate reads by putting pressure on everyone and everything. Others suspected him for it, but I defended him, saying he looked like a version of town falcon I'd seen before. Eventually his contributions dropped off, and he flipped mafia.

He looked very similar on Day 1 in the other thread. I do not feel like I have seen his reads progress in a meaningful way since then.
okay well then this
seems reasoned enough of a
suspicion to me

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:40 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:56 pm I notice quite a few players saying today that they'd rather vote within their Facility where they already have established reads. I do think that's pretty solid reasoning, but I will not commit my vote to the East Facility players if I find overwhelming evidence of someone being scummy who just happens to be from the West Facility. I like that there's already been a lot of discussion and catch-up on what's happened in each of our respective threads, and I'll encourage it to continue, because it's important to get the full picture of what we've missed. But I would be a little wary of the people who are agreeing to only vote someone from their Facility, because I do think it's an easy way for scum to cop out of voting a partner who's catching heat from the opposite thread. I think the original suggestion was towny, but imo the more who agree with it and push it as the correct play, the more likely that wolves are backing the idea.
Strong agree with this
even though I brought it up
it may not quite hold

I am starting to
see the case on falcon now
will consider him

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:33 pm Falcon's return is
not inspiring good feelings
so far. Dirty bird?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 1:58 pm i also think the
falcon wagon's stale too
and i town lean him

meanwhile there has been
more resistance to monroe
feeling that's the hit

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:06 pm meh ultimately
i trust monroe's voters more
than falcon's voters

not sure either would
flip wolf at this point but just
might go back in case

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nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:40 pm
Town: Dizzy, Long Con,
maybe Windward at this point.
Plus sig and Abi.

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 5:12 pm

wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:42 pm Master Radishes - posts
falcon45ca - posts - Stanley Yelnats IV (Mafia)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:53 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:21 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:15 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:05 pm Your vote on my wagon feels opportunistic.
No it doesn't.

Yes, MR, it does actually, just like tea feels like crumpets & Scotch eggs feel Welsh
Vote me then.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:33 pm Falcon's return is
not inspiring good feelings
so far. Dirty bird?
Hence my opportunistic vote.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:42 pm

I think a (some combo of) Brad/pyxxy/Lemon/falcon/Sabi/TSP team could definitely be one that's demoralised in their current position.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:01 pm

Let's go back to killing Lemonfalcon

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:07 am I've read up but don't think I have much to add.

Falcon's exasperation *might* be towny but I'm not sure it's enough to overcome his poor reactions to pressure and his general lack of having done anything worth townreading.

I have not read Lemonfairy's wallpost so I have no new opinion on her.

The DM wagon is /fine/. I don't really have a strong opinion on them.

Still have general good feelings on Sloonei, Long Con, Epi.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:20 pm Ah, it feels pretty suffocating to try and solve w/ 7 votes, but Goonies never say die
[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:39 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:15 pm Master Radishes
-- for someone from East, therefore info-less on falcon, vote drop was sudden, without hint of inquiry or reading into others' takes and a bit of "nuh-uh" retort to falcon calling it opportunistic (even prodding him to vote back). not ideal elements. later more elaborate, dismissing falcon's "exasperation" as outweighed by poor tone, something I do meld with.
-- had a good impression of him otherwise - active in developing reads and opinionated on enough players and events - but this on its own is a mixed bag
For context, Falc and I go way back, so not entirely info-less in terms of what I'd expect from him. I didn't articulate it because sometimes wordless pressure is the best pressure, but basically I was trusting others who were iffy on Falc from the West thread (and hadn't seen anything from Falc that would lead me to dispute their views). And I was playing with wagons a bit (I think I made it 4 vs Lemon's 5). His reaction to my vote made me actually suspicious of him, though.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:53 pm Actually I'm fine with any of the main wagons (Delta, DM, Falcon, Lemon) dying, really. To varying extents I'm not convinced on any of them much more than any other, but sure let's kill someone and see what happens.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:49 pm Maybe I'm just a sucker, but this reply to me

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:55 pm We do go way back, and hungover/mildly cranky falcon was suspicious (and mildly cranky) that you're missing me
makes me wonder if it is just v!Falc. I dunno. It feels like I'd feel the same in reverse - a bit snappish that he wasn't finding obvious town me.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:04 pm Of the voters on my wagon, Abi & MR look the most opportunistic

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:29 pm [VOTE: mr] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:41 pm There's min 2 wolves on my wagon IMO, and it's between leetic/sig & MR/Abi

Apologies if you're all town, but I highly doubt it

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:14 pm

wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:42 pm DrWilgy - posts
falcon45ca - posts - Stanley Yelnats IV (Mafia)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:01 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 6:56 pm I have 6 votes?

That's a lot, eh?
That's what I'm saying!

There shouldn't be 6 votes on me right now

I'm literally towning my ass off, it's just misunderstood
Eh. There was no townspewing from you from the N0 thread.

It's odd that in your posts here so far, you've brought nothing from the other thread nor do I see an explicit interest in the one you weren't in.

You're normally good about showing your within your townrange when you are town, where is that m8?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:05 am
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:29 am
I don't really get why you seem to put this expectation that falcon should have threadspewed themselves as town immediately into night 0.

Does falcon usually do so from your experiance?
Absolutely.

Falc is one of those players who can make a post that puts them undeniably out of their wolf range. That hasn't happened so far.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:20 am
Falcon. Falcon as wolf definitely says this.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:02 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 11:37 pm [VOTE: monroe] aubergine
I disapprove

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:03 am [VOTE: falcon ] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:41 pm I'm pretty sure Falcon is fine to yeet.

They are here and they haven't quite done anything about their wagon.

T Falc definitely cracks back strong and with their own solving.

DM is responding exactly like how I'd expect from them as town.

The fact that I have no memory of Delta in this thread but we have votes there is worth a note. If Falc wasn't a wagon I'd likely vote there.

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2024 4:09 pm

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Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.

Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail

Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo

leetic
Tony
sig

Delta

Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.

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Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:05 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 3:04 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:52 pm it's nice to have everyone in one thread again but at the same time, it feels so disorienting and I can't remember half of you

also

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.

Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail

Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo

leetic
Tony
sig

Delta

Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 5:14 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 03, 2024 4:38 pm [VOTE: Lemon] aubergine
This whole thing ending here is like

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:51 pm Vote: Lemon

I hate all these wagons

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Quoting falcon's "overview" of the people under suspicion, as well as Lemonfairy for the sake of comparison. I can't glean anything from this, but maybe someone else can.

falcon never directly interacted with Lemonfairy or Ricochet D3. If he interacted with his remaining partner, they'd be the exception. Thing is, he interacted with every reamining member of the other thread:

- He responded to no less than ten posts from MR, which comprises an entire one fourth of his ISO.
- He responded to two of nutella's posts, one being a simple "disagree" but another asking for reads
- He responded to one of DrWilgy's posts that was accusing him
- He responded with two words to a post of WWA's that was also just two words.

If MR is falcon's partner, falcon's single-minded focus on them while completely ignoring his other two partners (including the one he was in the same thread with!) would be staggering. WWA's post would probably fit in the best with falcon's general avoidance of his partners. falcon's interactions with nutella aren't too inspiring on their own, but falcon did ask them for reads, something he only otherwise did D3 to flipped town DM (as far as I can tell). falcon's response to Wilgy is much stronger, but it is so over-the-top that I cannot entirely dismiss the possibility of it being theatre.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:10 am
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm Quick ISOs. This list is alphabetical btw.
Delta - Cheerful and cutesy first impression. Posts have mostly neutral/even tone. Will put them at mid now and change later after I've seen everyone. Could be scum.
Epignosis - Couple of takes. Feels alright.
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.
leetic - Strong focus on pyxxy wagon and what happened. Feels alright/mid.
Long Con - Likes some posts. Probably first slot I feel OK putting in towns.
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.
Ricochet - Now that I've seen these wallposts, I've realized how obnoxious mine was. Sorry. ISO feels alright/pretty good.
sig - Not much there. Feels alight/mid.
Sloonei - It's kind of alright. Although the bar is set pretty low at this point. A bit wordy.
TonyStarkPrime - I remember Dyslexicon calling Tony town at least twice (not relevant but thought I'd mention it). After ISOing, feels mid.
Scrappy Doo - Definitely better than whatever Davos is doing. Towny tone. Feels alright.

Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail

Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo

leetic
Tony
sig

Delta

Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.
Interesting that the four of us on the bottom (plus Epi) are still alive. Still, that's one partner ranked high and the other in the middle, which doesn't tell me much. I'd be inclined to lean towards the other partner being in the middle rather than top, as wolves are more likely to be self-concious of putting too many of their partners too high, but it's not solid enough evidence.

Fixed formatting

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:46 pm Quick ISOs. This list is alphabetical btw.
Delta - Cheerful and cutesy first impression. Posts have mostly neutral/even tone. Will put them at mid now and change later after I've seen everyone. Could be scum.
Epignosis - Couple of takes. Feels alright.
falcon45ca - Couple of takes. Too many spaces. Feels alright.
leetic - Strong focus on pyxxy wagon and what happened. Feels alright/mid.
Long Con - Likes some posts. Probably first slot I feel OK putting in towns.
☆Princess Abigail☆ - Fighting for wolf pelt means this is probs town Abigail? Can see a few takes from rest of posts. Might be being a bit too generous.
Ricochet - Now that I've seen these wallposts, I've realized how obnoxious mine was. Sorry. ISO feels alright/pretty good.
sig - Not much there. Feels alight/mid.
Sloonei - It's kind of alright. Although the bar is set pretty low at this point. A bit wordy.
TonyStarkPrime - I remember Dyslexicon calling Tony town at least twice (not relevant but thought I'd mention it). After ISOing, feels mid.
Scrappy Doo - Definitely better than whatever Davos is doing. Towny tone. Feels alright.

Ordered list:
Long Con
Ricochet
Princess Abigail

Epignosis
falcon
Sloonei
Scrappy Doo[/color[

leetic
Tony
sig

Delta

Something like this.
I skimmed a lot so take it with salt.

Interesting that the four of us on the bottom (plus Epi) are still alive. Still, that's one partner ranked high and the other in the middle, which doesn't tell me much. I'd be inclined to lean towards the other partner being in the middle rather than top, as wolves are more likely to be self-concious of putting too many of their partners too high, but it's not solid enough evidence.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:32 pm Going to try to finish up what I did yesterday but I'm not in the mood to go in as much detail for the explanations.

Cape - Generally vibed with reads. Feels like they have been reading my posts. Similar to town Cape I've seen in the past.
Sabi - Never really vibed with Sabi's reads. Didn't pay much attention to them either. Skimmed through ISO and think they could be wolf. I did think their post about thread being boring and hoping someone will stir the pot was kind of towny but it's not something solid I can lean on.
Master Radishes - Hmmm Radishes is actually OK. Next.
DrWilgy - Wilgy's ISO is not as bad as I thought it would be TBH. The frog noises tickled me. This is more of a tone read though.
DarlingMonroe - Not a lot of reads. Not feeling the tone either. Could be wolf.

Would probably order like so:
Cape
Master Radishes
Sabi
DrWilgy
Darling Monroe

If I added everyone else:
Cape
Windward
nutella

Dyslexicon
Master Radishes
DrWilgy

Nanook
Sabi
Darling Monroe

IDK how I feel about this but it is what it is.

If they have a tendency to put their partners high, it's between WWA and nutella. If they have a tendency to put their partners in the middle, it's MR or Wilgy. Fortunately, I believe they have a post ranking the people from my side, so we'll have to check it out…

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 9:09 pm At what point do we just vote out Davos here

We probbly had a few opportunities to vig 'em yesterday, but whatever. I don't like that I'm not sure how to deal with their account, but if they're wolf it's probably best to root out their owner.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:12 pm the more i think about it the more i think it's literally just stupid and naive to assume the split is perfectly even. like it's too easy

I highly doubt it's split to the point that there are six wolves in one side and only two in the other. One ITP flipped on each side, so a significant disparity in ITPs is not the solution either. I would look at anyone who tries to expand the current PoE to include people from my side with suspicion.

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