The Syndicate

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:58 pm hmm, okay so do we just firedrill Abigail or wut?

Why

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:57 pm that’s such a hard post to make with TMI that he’s his partner

I don't know, I think they're saying if Made flips town voting RDB afterward immediately loses the game? I don't think that's too difficult for a wolf to post, though I may not be understanding it correctly

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:54 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:09 pm If we are going Made then we have to agree I am town because going into tomorrow with how we have left it today I am the obvious mislynch
this is never w/w

Why

I know derpclears are a thing but Made looks like they're trying to get as many "derpclears" as possible

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:49 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:48 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:38 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:38 pm @tedxtr are you ever voting gira? apologies if Im forgotting something youve said recently re: this, just trying to do some vote counting.
Why are you still voting tedxtr?
reading me as lol town isnt hard, dont think it’s a particularly brave stance— at least enough to change my vote right now…
Well, you seem to have many of the same thoughts as him, so I'm surprised that doesn't make you at least think twice.
it does[VOTE: Princess Abbi] aubergine

That's a lot of changing course for just a little nudging.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:47 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:45 pm my problem now is, if i think it’s rondo, who do i think is his partner

and the obvious answer is made, but i don’t buy it
I do think Abby/RDB is significantly more likely than Abby/made, although the theatre they engaged in today would be weird even by Abby standards

And I doubt RDB/Gira is a thing, otherwise that means both wolves would've bussed TSP. Same with RDB/Ranmilia, granted both wolves were late on the wagon.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:38 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:38 pm @tedxtr are you ever voting gira? apologies if Im forgotting something youve said recently re: this, just trying to do some vote counting.
Why are you still voting tedxtr?
reading me as lol town isnt hard, dont think it’s a particularly brave stance— at least enough to change my vote right now…

Well, you seem to have many of the same thoughts as him, so I'm surprised that doesn't make you at least think twice.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:45 pm my problem now is, if i think it’s rondo, who do i think is his partner

and the obvious answer is made, but i don’t buy it

I do think Abby/RDB is significantly more likely than Abby/made, although the theatre they engaged in today would be weird even by Abby standards

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:43 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:41 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:40 pm I'm awake and here and reading up.

We're at Rondo/Made still, jack has been looking over rondo and can't find reason to townread him.
What do you think of RDB's effort this phase? Also, does Made's ignorance feel genuine to you?
who cares about effort, wolves are more incentivized to try than a villa

but regardless it’s NAI

Effort can look good or bad. I personally have mixed feelings on RDB's effort this phase, which I've already expressed

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:42 pm i was getting worried we were sleepwalking into rondo, but then he posts for like an hour and the wagons split on 2 people, one of which is a PR

so i guess that makes me slightly feel better about lunching rondo

(Because wolves in this game are most likely hard to lunch)

Granted, TSP didn't exactly go down fighting.

Jack did solve Beans though, so I do value his input

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:40 pm I'm awake and here and reading up.

We're at Rondo/Made still, jack has been looking over rondo and can't find reason to townread him.

What do you think of RDB's effort this phase? Also, does Made's ignorance feel genuine to you?

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:38 pm @tedxtr are you ever voting gira? apologies if Im forgotting something youve said recently re: this, just trying to do some vote counting.

Why are you still voting tedxtr?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:36 pm we killed pyxxy, at least listen to his legacy

he felt what i’ve did but he knew his own role, the game is not as easy as sleepwalking into the afkers and etc

I've looked at everyone else, is that really "sleepwalking"? Plus, how do you feel about RDB?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:35 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:28 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:27 pm made’s not a wolf imo

this game is doomed
You have yet to give me a convincing reason why
if he’s a wolf, he’d be aware of the voting thing and also wouldn’t have outed the information thinking he had an additional vote

I don't know, his ignorance does not look real to me when he's had things explained to him multiple times. And his effort this phase has not been inspiring, to say the least, plus the PoE is really closing in on him.

Come on, ted. Why won't you talk over your TR of Made?

Well, 90 minutes left. Pretty sure @Ranmilia is the only one to not have shown up recently

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:27 pm made’s not a wolf imo

this game is doomed

You have yet to give me a convincing reason why

I guess if Made flips wolf it spews me town anyway, so maybe I am really the only reasonable target for wolf!Made

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:25 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:22 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:21 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:11 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:46 pm
Spoiler: show
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:30 pm
Spoiler: show
2 hours 30 to go d2.PNG

recreated as text and copying leetic's PR color idea

RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (4) - Ranmilia, WWA, pyxxy, leetic
pyxxy (5) - Rondo, ted, Abi, bereft, gira

Rondo, TSP, WWA all with (1) from the shadow votes

--------------

from here:
WWA moves to TSP (1+1) at EOD-2h23m
Rondo moves to TSP (2+1) at EOD-2h15m
Dizzy votes Ran (1) at EOD-2h03m
Dizzy votes idk at EOD-2h02m
Gira moves to TSP (3+1) at EOD-1h59m

VC refresh 1:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (3) - Ranmilia, pyxxy, leetic
TSP (3+1) - WWA, Rondo, Gira
pyxxy (3) - ted, Abi, bereft

---
Rondo moves to Abi (1) at EOD-1h42m
Bereft moves to TSP (3+1) at EOD-1h13m
Rondo moves to Bereft (1) at EOD-1h11m
Rondo moves to ted (1) at EOD-0h59m
Ranmilia moves to TSP (4+1) at EOD-0h57m
Rondo moves to pyxxy (3) at EOD-0h56m

VC refresh 2:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (2) - pyxxy, leetic
TSP (4+1) - WWA, Gira, Bereft, Ranmilia
pyxxy (3) - ted, Abi, Rondo

---
Rondo moves to leetic (1) at EOD-0h31m
Ranmilia moves to Dizzy (3) at EOD-0h20m
Rondo moves to Dizzy (4) at EOD-0h07m

VC refresh 3:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (4) - pyxxy, leetic, Ranmilia, Rondo
TSP (3+1) - WWA, Gira, Bereft
pyxxy (2) - ted, Abi

---
Rondo moves to leetic (1) at EOD-0h05m
Rondo moves to TSP (4+1) at EOD-0h01m
Ranmilia moves to TSP (5+1) at EOD-0h00m
leetic moves to TSP (6+1) at EOD-0h00m and one extra minute late

final VC as we all know:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (1) - pyxxy
TSP (6+1) - WWA, Gira, Bereft, Rondo, Ranmilia, leetic
pyxxy (2) - ted, Abi

reposting so i can refer back to this easily via mobile

ebwop, pyxxy didnt say this, I did.
let’s speedrun the tinfoil tho…
if Leetic and abigail then leetic/abigail/tsp….
then abi voted town d1, and leetic didnt vote till tue literal last second… that’s not amazing…

@leetic why such the late bote. were you not feeling any of the wagons or something?
Which vote are you even talking about? The only phase where I didn't vote someone early was this one
yes, the day we killed scum. d1 wasnt close, d2 was close, d3 wasnt close (from my pov, it was town/town).

regardless what was the reason you didnt vote sooner d2?

I would've preferred Dizzy but was fine switching to TSP. I think I even explained as such early in D3.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:23 pm damn abigail/leetic even kinda scans on a personality read. assuming player archetypes (I do not know leetic and abigail v well)If leetic is to break his meta to high post, it’s with a high post teammate which seems to fit the bill of an abigail…

Don't tell me you're actually considering this.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:21 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:11 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:46 pm
Spoiler: show
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:30 pm
Spoiler: show
2 hours 30 to go d2.PNG

recreated as text and copying leetic's PR color idea

RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (4) - Ranmilia, WWA, pyxxy, leetic
pyxxy (5) - Rondo, ted, Abi, bereft, gira

Rondo, TSP, WWA all with (1) from the shadow votes

--------------

from here:
WWA moves to TSP (1+1) at EOD-2h23m
Rondo moves to TSP (2+1) at EOD-2h15m
Dizzy votes Ran (1) at EOD-2h03m
Dizzy votes idk at EOD-2h02m
Gira moves to TSP (3+1) at EOD-1h59m

VC refresh 1:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (3) - Ranmilia, pyxxy, leetic
TSP (3+1) - WWA, Rondo, Gira
pyxxy (3) - ted, Abi, bereft

---
Rondo moves to Abi (1) at EOD-1h42m
Bereft moves to TSP (3+1) at EOD-1h13m
Rondo moves to Bereft (1) at EOD-1h11m
Rondo moves to ted (1) at EOD-0h59m
Ranmilia moves to TSP (4+1) at EOD-0h57m
Rondo moves to pyxxy (3) at EOD-0h56m

VC refresh 2:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (2) - pyxxy, leetic
TSP (4+1) - WWA, Gira, Bereft, Ranmilia
pyxxy (3) - ted, Abi, Rondo

---
Rondo moves to leetic (1) at EOD-0h31m
Ranmilia moves to Dizzy (3) at EOD-0h20m
Rondo moves to Dizzy (4) at EOD-0h07m

VC refresh 3:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (4) - pyxxy, leetic, Ranmilia, Rondo
TSP (3+1) - WWA, Gira, Bereft
pyxxy (2) - ted, Abi

---
Rondo moves to leetic (1) at EOD-0h05m
Rondo moves to TSP (4+1) at EOD-0h01m
Ranmilia moves to TSP (5+1) at EOD-0h00m
leetic moves to TSP (6+1) at EOD-0h00m and one extra minute late

final VC as we all know:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (1) - pyxxy
TSP (6+1) - WWA, Gira, Bereft, Rondo, Ranmilia, leetic
pyxxy (2) - ted, Abi

reposting so i can refer back to this easily via mobile

ebwop, pyxxy didnt say this, I did.
let’s speedrun the tinfoil tho…
if Leetic and abigail then leetic/abigail/tsp….
then abi voted town d1, and leetic didnt vote till tue literal last second… that’s not amazing…

@leetic why such the late bote. were you not feeling any of the wagons or something?

Which vote are you even talking about? The only phase where I didn't vote someone early was this one

RDB and Abby are for all intents and purposes parked, and there's a +1 on Made. If we're gonna lynch anyone else town has to be united.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:13 pm @leetic do you know for sure that your check confirms nightkills, and not just other night actions?

Given that ted's role specifies that it doesn't include kills (if his claim is to be believed) then yes?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:11 pm why are we clearing abigail again?

It's mainly that she doesn't look partnered with any of the main suspects. And we also know that she didn't submit the kill if she is a wolf.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:10 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:48 pm As far as the cred for the wagon thing, I think Gira is really the only person that I think had minimal incentive.
thoughts here @RondoDimBuckle ??
(also long time no see! hope youre well)

Yeah, this is the post that suggests that Made has had more awareness of the game than he has led on. Why call to RDB here if he was unaware of their TSP vote, and if he was aware then why would he be unaware of everything else?

Can a player really be this oblivious about the game when it's been explained many times? This has to be feigned, right?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:03 pm is he not claiming the +1 vote mechanic that has been announced over and over?

He says his vote is "worth 2", but granted at this point I'm not sure that Made is even playing the same game as us.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:02 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:59 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:58 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:56 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:55 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:47 pm gira is voting ted now…I mean my vote is worth 2, so sure.
[VOTE: ted] aubergine
Is that a hard claim?
yessir
Didn't you say you were just vanilla earlier?
Also, if true does your role affect parity?
I am vanilla.

Then who do you claim your vote counts for two?

Also that world would have all three wolves on robyn D1

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:59 pm @leetic can you rephrase? why is gira/made being w/t relevant to gira/ted being w/w?

Why was Gira so unwilling to switch to Dizzy if the team was TSP/Gira/ted?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:58 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:56 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:55 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:47 pm gira is voting ted now…I mean my vote is worth 2, so sure.
[VOTE: ted] aubergine
Is that a hard claim?
yessir
Didn't you say you were just vanilla earlier?

Also, if true does your role affect parity?

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:56 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:55 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:47 pm gira is voting ted now…I mean my vote is worth 2, so sure.
[VOTE: ted] aubergine
Is that a hard claim?
yessir

Didn't you say you were just vanilla earlier?

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:49 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:46 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:41 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:32 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:27 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:21 pm in general my expectation is mafia in endgamee rarely hard align, their goal is to split the room, sometimes around a false dichotomy
sorry to spray and pray a bit, but want this in writing just incase Im right: That’s why i think i might be right about a ted/gira. I don’t like the noncommittal nature of gira’s read on me/rondo either. It’s giving “okay so after we chop made, we chop rondo or vice versa”
i am not arguing that?? wtf

yes' i'm going back and forth because i'm uncertain but i have actively been TRYING to investgate people outside you and rondo where half the game seems hung up on you today

my difficulty with you has been that a lot of the time it's been very hard to figure out what your actual thoughts/analysis are on the game, if you could make that clearer i think that'd be helpful.
in a tweet:
it’d be weird if there were one scum or three left so assume two.
combo that make sense to me:
-Abigail x leetic (which if it is them well done, amazing play)
- ted/gira

Im having trouble imaginging rondo with anyone else alive, and that, plus his tsp vote, plus his post today makes him look green af

so it really has to be you and Ted at this point. I could ofc be wrong, but that is my thoughts/anaylsis of the thread.

at the moment im reading for connections between ted and gira to see if there anything there clearing.

also ted, I played scum with you recentlyish right?
i think the way i've been interacting with ted is like obviously never scum/scum but if you want to kill one of us then go for it i'll help you out
@leetic, do you agree with this take? ted/gira never being w/w?

I think it's unlikely, as why would Gira be so steadfast on the TSP wagon if Gira/Made is w/t?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:54 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:53 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:53 pm i wouldn't kill made here
Why not?
his general play and in particular yesterday w/r/t his cw

What about his general play is towny? And if not Made, then who do you suggest?

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:47 pm gira is voting ted now…I mean my vote is worth 2, so sure.
[VOTE: ted] aubergine

Is that a hard claim?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:53 pm i wouldn't kill made here

Why not?

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:21 pm Come to think of it, Gira's last-minute switch off Made D3 was weird. Maybe it was triggered by pyxxy's weird claim, but what if…?
YOU DID THE SAME EXACT THING???

like yes of course i swapped because i saw a self pres-snipe and reacted on instinct, i don't think that's a hard towntell on my end but if i'm mafia i don't need to care about the wagons that much, if i'm bussing made i just stay on for cred

pyxxy was already condemned when I made the switch.

I kind of wonder if Made is a wolf, maybe they want to be bussed.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:21 pm Come to think of it, Gira's last-minute switch off Made D3 was weird. Maybe it was triggered by pyxxy's weird claim, but what if…?

Still, always flip Made over Gira

Come to think of it, Gira's last-minute switch off Made D3 was weird. Maybe it was triggered by pyxxy's weird claim, but what if…?

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:09 pm do we have a solved game if I die and flip town?

Also, why the hell ain't you solving?

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 7:09 pm do we have a solved game if I die and flip town?

If you will flip town, wouldn't you want to not die?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:56 pm I kinda think it's Gira ngl

Well, Gira is only ever wolves with Made so flip Made first

My legacy is Abby don't flashvote at LyLo. Though hopefully we'll never get to that point

This is definitely nerve-wracking, it feels like town's win or loss will come down to what I do here. Still, I've been in this position before

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:51 pm I am happy for a 50/50 Ive taken them before and won

Although Made is almost certain to self-pres if nothing changes

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:51 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:50 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:45 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:43 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:42 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:37 pm My main problem with RDB's "solving" is "this person changed their read on someone" is not strong enough evidence on its own; both alignments do this.
no its not a "they changed their read on me" that is underselling it. It is a never rescind (real). I policy this every game, every time, no passing go no $200
Than you'll policy town a lot
Sure, its the same as people policying for self voting yet people arent getting in a twist over that
If this is a shot at me i don't policy self vote anymore anyways lol
no at everyone who wanted to policy someone else who self voted this game. I forget who
Pretty sure that was me lol

Well, both of you I guess

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:50 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:45 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:43 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:42 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:38 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:37 pm My main problem with RDB's "solving" is "this person changed their read on someone" is not strong enough evidence on its own; both alignments do this.
no its not a "they changed their read on me" that is underselling it. It is a never rescind (real). I policy this every game, every time, no passing go no $200
Than you'll policy town a lot
Sure, its the same as people policying for self voting yet people arent getting in a twist over that
If this is a shot at me i don't policy self vote anymore anyways lol
no at everyone who wanted to policy someone else who self voted this game. I forget who

Wasn't it you, or am I misremembering things?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:49 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:17 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:22 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:20 am
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:32 pm I'm here if people have questions or actual things to discuss. Bereft, where you at?
Who's your top town?
You/Rondo.
Omg Ily this let's me do my stupid plan maybe.

Me stupid plan is to form a 3 way masonry with you and rondo I think you're both lock town and will hard defend you to the death

Thoughts?

When WWA is alive

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:32 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:49 pm rondo's posts today are really not it at all but i'm sure if i reread his day 2 i'd remind myself of what i liked from him
Rondo's posts today are defending me who's town so I'd say his posts are more it than yours tbh

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:24 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:23 pm i kind of think we're misclearing rondo
Rondo is town I'm like... mostly kinda confident
Day after WWA is alive (+Gira compatibility)

and compare that to now. If you cant see why I see that as fucking sus. I dont know what to tell you

This is still "this person has changed their read on someone, isn't that terrible"

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