The Syndicate

Finally! My nearly three year long losing streak was finally killed once and for all! GG

Well, this clears up my schedule a little at least. Come on guys, don't let me down!

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] targeting speedchuck. If there are any changes in plans, notify me ASAP.

@MacDougall who should we target? I suggest Nova, do you have any other ideas?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:23 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2019 5:33 pm Well I've been gone for a while haven't I? I've been pretty busy but now might have some time.
Anything?

I'm probably more sold on speedchuck than Jack at the moment, as the attempted Jack lynch on D1 seemed more like a mislynch that scum was trying to push. Speed was late on the wagon, and of course there was his nonsense Janitor theory that tried to indict me. It would be weird if he turned out to be bad for the third game in a row that I've played with him, but you know, gambler's fallacy and all that.

Well I've been gone for a while haven't I? I've been pretty busy but now might have some time.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:53 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 8:49 pm That's going to be real difficult.
Why? Mac targets me. Let Leetic target Juliets or Speed, whoever isn’t lynched.

That should remove at least 2 of the 4 top suspects.

That runs the risk of no one getting confirmed though as Epi didn't give a straight answer as to whether I could block the mafia kill. Thus, at least being able to clear someone would be a good step

I think nova would probably be the best target of a coordinated me and Mac, as we should target someone we're pretty sure is town as mafia might have reason to lie about having received the item.

Well, 1 in 6 chance but my point still stands.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:08 pm That is a fair criticism.

It’s really weird that we had two PR claims but Sabie was killed.
... weird mafia janitor thing?
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
Mafia Leetic kills Sabie. She flips as a vanilla civ and he gets her real role to himself. He claims that role.

Or something. It just popped into my head. What did Leetic claim, again?

Thing is, there can only be three power roles in this game. So what you're saying is I somehow correctly guessed that Sabie had a power role when she gave no hints of having one, which would be a 1 in 7 chance in that scenario (if Mac's telling the truth). Yeah, that theory is nonsense.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:02 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:57 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.
The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.
Ok, Community Mafia was a different leetic. He did not beat around the bush much before claiming like he did here. What do you think about his response to you that he was in more danger in that game and that's why his claim was quicker?

@speedchuck lol, I did not notice those names were in alpha order. I thought you were giving a reads list. To your point in the post, I did go back and look at sable and just can't find a reason from what she said that she was nk'd. I don't know what to make of it.
It's dishonest. The point against him is that Community Leetic showed reservation in claiming and didn't really consider it until it was necessary, here he's hinting at being a power role during the night without being asked to do so at all. He put a target on his back, then he stalled the claiming using the excuse "to not get killed" when what he did already managed that.

To top it all off, he hinted at his role to get a target for his action but ended up going with someone that wasn't suggested.

I don't see how the two games were very different - in Community, I hinted at having a good role early on as well. And obviously I wasn't going to block Mac when he had a claim that could potentially be verified.

My role is Jailer. Asked Epi if blocking the last Mafia would block the kill, and he didn't give me a conclusive answer. Mac and I should synchronize our targets N2 (if we get there) so that if he's telling the truth, it can be confirmed. Voting juliets for now, but I'll look over everyone again once I have the time.

Well if there's no one who will claim to have received an item (sabie would be too convenient), I can't give Mac much town points for his claim. I'll keep my vote on him until he can offer an explanation.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:18 pm What if Mac kept his stuff to himself?

Like inventor and gift giver isn’t necessarily the same thing.

At least where I come from, they typically are, but still, Mac should've given it to someone to confirm his claim. If he kept them to himself, that'd be mighty convenient...

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 9:31 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:58 pm Anyway, everyone 'xept Luna and Mac have shown up, and no claims of having received an item yet. This means that either

a. Lunalee or Sabie were Mac's target (why would he target these though)
b. Mac is a big fat liar
c. For some reason, the person who received the item didn't speak up
d. The third power role screwed things up

Which do you think is most likely?
But why would they?

If they're mafia, they might not speak up to try and secure a Mac mislynch. Still though, that'd be incredibly risky if Mac outed them as the one who he gave the item to, so I really don't see why someone would withhold this information. Since you don't seem to have received the item... I swear, if Mac says he gave the item to sabie...

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:56 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:49 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:16 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:14 pm Nah, you're bad.

Hinting at a power role during the night when that does nothing except put a target on your back, yet you're hesitant on expanding further right now.

Quite the contrast with Community Leetic.
I only claimed in that game when it was clear I would die anyway. Right now, it is not guaranteed... although it might still be strategically beneficial if I claim at some point. We'll see, I first want Mac to talk.
Hinting at a power role in a 9 player game featuring generic roles is a death sentence. Especially when the hinting is asking for most suspicious player.

I will claim later in this phase... But I want Mac to show up first.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:55 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:51 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:48 pm Don't get me started on Luna allegedly being your night target, although she was featured fewer times than other suspects. I mean that was the whole your reason you "hinted" at having an ability.
I was originally gonna target Mac, but after his Inventor claim I switched.
Why Luna over Jack/Speed who were the other names from your exercise?

I simply thought she was more suspicious than the other two.

Anyway, everyone 'xept Luna and Mac have shown up, and no claims of having received an item yet. This means that either

a. Lunalee or Sabie were Mac's target (why would he target these though)
b. Mac is a big fat liar
c. For some reason, the person who received the item didn't speak up
d. The third power role screwed things up

Which do you think is most likely?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:48 pm Don't get me started on Luna allegedly being your night target, although she was featured fewer times than other suspects. I mean that was the whole your reason you "hinted" at having an ability.

I was originally gonna target Mac, but after his Inventor claim I switched.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:47 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:16 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:14 pm Nah, you're bad.

Hinting at a power role during the night when that does nothing except put a target on your back, yet you're hesitant on expanding further right now.

Quite the contrast with Community Leetic.

I only claimed in that game when it was clear I would die anyway. Right now, it is not guaranteed... although it might still be strategically beneficial if I claim at some point. We'll see, I first want Mac to talk.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:28 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:23 pm Taking out Luna and Mac, that would leave juliets as our most suspicious user, so [VOTE: juliets] aubergine
RIP sable, I don't get why it was you.

Why am I the most suspicious? And what do you mean by "user"?

The voting patterns make the three of you look the worst. Mac has a claim going for him (which needs to be verified, though), I have evidence in Lunalee's favor, so that leaves you. "User" is just how I refer to people, might just be something I carried from Bulba.

[mention]MacDougal[/mention] did you give someone an invention and if so, who?

Taking out Luna and Mac, that would leave juliets as our most suspicious user, so [VOTE: juliets] aubergine

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:14 pm Nah, you're bad.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:10 pm [VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

Is this supposed to be a pressure vote or something?

How about I wait 'til someone confirms they have received something from Mac, since if that happens there would be few people who the mafia could even be. If nobody does, though, I'm staying silent about this.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:50 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:49 pm I have reason to doubt Luna is mafia, although it's not confirmed. Did anyone receive one of Mac's inventions?
What was all that N1 stuff about?

Do you believe that we will likely find the last mafia today? If yes, I will tell you, if no, I will wait.

I have reason to doubt Luna is mafia, although it's not confirmed. Did anyone receive one of Mac's inventions?

If Mac is truly an inventor, he should give his item to someone tonight and that person should claim

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:04 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:02 pm I'd like everyone to tell me who the most suspicious living player is por favor.
You.

How about I rephrase this, most suspicious living player besides myself. There is a reason why I'm asking this.

I'd like everyone to tell me who the most suspicious living player is por favor.

Oh yeah

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:11 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:56 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:41 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine
That's a nice wagon you're joining there...

I don't like the Jack wagon, it came too fast and with too little resistance. Likely a mislynch.
I had a similar thought but with lots of doubt. Your approach is tmi. I think you are bad and Jack is good.
If it was a thought you had then how is it TMI
One thing has nothing to do with the other. Mac could have some mild suspicions on the Jack wagon he's not sure about. You seem sure about it. Civs are not sure about anything.
I said the word "probably", suggesting I am not sure of it. Why are you jumping to Mac's defense anyway, I noticed that you did this kind of stuff quite a bit in the last game and we both know what alignment you were there
You used the word "likely".

What, you expect me to proofread my posts My point still stands

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:29 am You have only played one game with me, where I was bad. And now you are trying to use that as statistical evidence on how I act as bad, when you have never played a game with me as a civ before. So you have no idea how I play as a civ.

Protip: you can only make meta reads on people when you can have multiple games to compare to each other. Otherwise you are just giving yourself confirmation bias.

I actually DID play a game with you as civ (Community).

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:41 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine
That's a nice wagon you're joining there...

I don't like the Jack wagon, it came too fast and with too little resistance. Likely a mislynch.
I had a similar thought but with lots of doubt. Your approach is tmi. I think you are bad and Jack is good.
If it was a thought you had then how is it TMI
One thing has nothing to do with the other. Mac could have some mild suspicions on the Jack wagon he's not sure about. You seem sure about it. Civs are not sure about anything.

I said the word "probably", suggesting I am not sure of it. Why are you jumping to Mac's defense anyway, I noticed that you did this kind of stuff quite a bit in the last game and we both know what alignment you were there

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:58 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine
That's a nice wagon you're joining there...

I don't like the Jack wagon, it came too fast and with too little resistance. Likely a mislynch.
I had a similar thought but with lots of doubt. Your approach is tmi. I think you are bad and Jack is good.

If it was a thought you had then how is it TMI

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine

That's a nice wagon you're joining there...

I don't like the Jack wagon, it came too fast and with too little resistance. Likely a mislynch.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:54 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:47 pm What is rvs?
Random voting stage.

Random voting, semi random voting, joke voting, reaction voting and following the most minor suspicions until these things generate enough content to actually do real hunting.
Eh no I hate this argument.

Yeah I know rvs is a thing, despite not knowing the term before.

Votes are never truly random though, we always make them for a reason, however shallow it may be.

You gave no reason, and when I asked for one, you replied with the old "day 1 is useless why are you asking me to do work" rethoric.

If you just made a joke vote and explained it, or if you made a vote for a shallow reason, it would be fine, but it feels like you are going out of your way to be obstructive. This isn't civilian logic.

I'm not so sure I like this, I've seen many people call others out for early game joke votes and they turn out scum a surprising amount of time. [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:22 pm Or is it a Leetic's pressure vote?

I haven't yet pressure voted here...

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:24 pm But that would leave Leetic out

Would you like one?

I am back, with 50% less depression. Let's do this

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