The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:22 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 8:07 pm Finally, after five years banner I can use! Though I could also use ones for Addams Family and Corrupt!? if they were ever made

Link me and I will, or at least find out if they were made

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Finally, after five years banner I can use! Though I could also use ones for Addams Family and Corrupt!? if they were ever made

And also, this shows you why you should always vote out self voters!

I believe that this is the second town sweep I was in, even with two unnecessary town deaths

iaafr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 11:02 pm @Lime Coke @leetic

sorry to be petty but could i get at least 1 post from each of you acknowledging that you were silly to act as if anne existing as a wagon meant town was clearly on fire and you were silly to act as if most of the village who disagreed with you on scum in nut/dizzy and anne obvtown were obviously wrong and were a sign of bad town direction

because cmon lmao

ggwp all

didney worl

You were defending Esooa at the time, I don't wanna hear it

JK

GG all, and especially good job to @Marmot who was pretty much spot on with each wolf and deserves the title of the town's MVP

anne wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:03 pm i admire anne going down w/the ship

im actually town but no one believes me anyways and i cant say i blame them due to my low investment

GG

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:03 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:01 pm @staypositivefriend, how did the night actions go?

i got a beautiful, tear-jerking letter from dizzy

Do you know if you were roleblocked?

@staypositivefriend, how did the night actions go?

anne wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:58 pm I'm a jailkeeper + tracker hybrid

Who did you use it on N2?

anne wrote: ↑Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:57 pm Well I guess it's either me or Nutella cause I roleblocked Nutella last night so get her

Are you a JOAT?

Also I think your roleblock would be roleblocked in that case, unless someone roleblocked LC

Well, if anne is the last wolf, I appreciate her defiance at least.

LOL if scum just didn't submit a kill

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:28 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:22 pm For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days

When was the NAA wagon feasible? I don't really remember. I looked back at the poll state at 13 minutes before EOD, and Wilgy/anne were the competing wagons at the time.

Wilgy did have a vig, so that particular ability would be far more useful to mafia than most other abilities.


Anyway, I want to answer your question about NAA, I just don't know how to, and don't recall how viable NAA was.

Alright, one last post. JJJ last posted like ninety minutes before EoD (a little bit after post restrictions had been eased) and there were still a good number of votes on Axehole and Wilgy had yet to seriously catch on.

Anyway. This is almost certainly going to be my last post for this phase, for I have to leave for dress rehearsal.

The vote should definitely be either Esooa or nutella. Wilgy is the only other one I would remotely consider. Don't vote for iaafr since he's cleared town. Don't vote for LC or Marmot as they're obvious town. Don't vote for Dyslexicon or sof as we need them if the plan is going to work. anne might merit consideration at f3 but we shouldn't waste this day on what is 97% likely to be a misvote.

Remember to follow the plan. And with that, I leave the rest to @ilario and the rest of town. Good luck, and don't let me down.

For anyone still thinking anne was a bus attempt, why would Jay on D1 choose anne as his preferred wagon when Axehole was still very much viable? It seemed like there was no real reason for scum to have bussed in that state. I want this point to actually be addressed, not with hypotheticals (e.g. "scum could have decided to bus" or "w/w wagons sometimes happen") but with explanations, and throwing out an inactive member doesn't really make sense either as anne did show up the next two days

@Dyslexicon, are you tired of me scumreading you? If so, I've got good news for you, because I've just come up with a brilliant plan that could potentially remove you from the PoE. However, if it is to happen, I need the cooperation of @staypositivefriend.

What are you testing?
Well, you see, when I was thinking over your claim I remember that you said that your messages would roleblock people if you are scum. Well, I was thinking that that is something we could test, and I've come up with a way to do it.

So what's the plan?
So, spf uses her second JOAT ability, the one that "can make a players(sic) actions go through on the night that [spf targets] them". If I'm understanding the role correctly, use it on LC, as it's important that his role works tonight. Then, Dyslexicon should send a message to spf. If spf is not roleblocked, then that means Dyslexicon is not mafia according to their claim.

Why does it have to be spf?
Simple process of elimination, well a different PoE to finding wolves but you get the point.
- Esooa and anne have roles that would be perfect for testing roleblocks, but both are likely to be targeted by LC, and if LC dies then those results would be muddled.
- LC's action is too important to risk roleblocking.
- iaafr and Wilgy used their shots and no longer have a night action.
- Marmot and I/ilario never had a night action to begin with.
- Not fully sure that I understand @anne's claim fully, but if it's a potential tracker it could still be useful.

Why should I go along with this plan?
Even if some people townread you, you don't have the mechanical/game event-related evidence that keeps iaafr, LC, and Marmot out of the PoE. If you can do this without roleblocking spf, then you will at the very least move above Wilgy in my list. And, if spf says she was roleblocked, then that means either you or spf lied, and we can solve from there. We already did well today to remove iaafr and Axehole from the PoE, narrowing it further will basically guarantee a town victory as long as town doesn't fall asleep at the wheel.

Does anyone else need to do anything?
@Lime Coke, don't target Dyslexicon or spf if they go along with the plan. I won't tell you how to use your role further, just to use it. Everyone else can just do whatever.

That is a cool plan!
Why, thank you very much. If we can focus on solving, there's no way that we'll lose!

I have a dress rehearsal for a concert tomorrow, and I won't be able to be here at EoD. Since I'm nearly down to the 20 posts reserved for ilario, this may be the last time I speak today. So here's what I want to say for today.

Don't vote iaafr. If you see anyone doing so, they are either a wolf or are gamethrowing, and call them out on it. I've seen misvotes this stupid happen before, don't let it happen here.

All roles aside from spf's and Dyslexicon's have been collaborated or confirmed, and while roles are not tied to alignments it's good to know that people are not fakeclaing. I believe I've already talked to Dyslexicon about this, so @staypositivefriend, your third ability seems easiest to confirm (though I'm not sure I fully understand what your second is) so use that. Do not use it on nutella, Dyslexicon, or Wilgy, even if you think they're town they're in enough people's PoEs that it wouldn't be a good idea. I won't tell you who to use it on beyond that, as it would be pointless if the person you use it on is killed by the mafia.

@Esooa, I realize you are most likely an open wolf at this point, but if you really are town you really need to step up your effort this phase. I don't want to hear any excuses like "but I subbed in", "but I'm getting voted anyway", or "but I'm not putting any effort into this game". I want at least your full thoughts on Wilgy, nutella, Dyslexicon, and spf. I don't want this game to be sloweed down by misvoting town, especially when we've had five town casualties already, so if you don't want that to happen please be vocal.

I am going to be leaving my vote on Esooa for now and she should be the vote today unless someone else does something really scummy. My current priority from most to least suspicious is Esooa, nutella, Dyslexicon, DrWilgy, staypositivefriend, anne, Marmot, Lime Coke, iaafr, ilario/leetic. If you vote in the last four or even last five you are either a loony or a wolf.

Remember, this game is winnable as long as town collectively doesn't fall asleep at the wheel, and I don't want town to lose because everyone becomes inactive. Also remember that scum's only real way to win with the PoE this thin is for the wolf to enter the towncore, so expect bussing this phase. Don't let me down.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:12 pm Voters: cassandra, iaafr, nutella, Dyslexicon, NotAnAxehole

^These are the Anne voters. If iaafr is indeed confirmed town, and I'm right that Nutella is town which I'm pretty sure I am, these are literally all town.

The fact that those three are town actually doesn't look good for you or nutella



I probably shouldn't use too many more posts, ilario is fine with me taking most of the posts this phase but he wants 20 left over. If you're going to ask me something, make sure it's important.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:10 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:59 pmSo about your claim. LC claimed roleblocker and has corroboration from nutella on this, so why would there be a second roleblocker but only for scum? I realize that my confusion may be because you aren't explaining your role well enough, but I would like clarification

Me writing a letter works as a roleblock if my role had randed mafia. I have no idea why this is. I did not make the setup. Do you have a problem with my claim?

Two potential scumblockers to a team seems a bit much, but whatever. Of course, if LC's role only roleblocks as town, that would be worth knowing. I don't want to vote you today, but I fully expect you to use your role so it can be corroborated.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:08 pm @leetic Why did you vote off wagon D2 when you are so convinced Anne is town, and the chop was between her and Mac?

You haven't answered my question, and I've already answered that question - I tried to switch to Mac once I noticed it was tied but the awkward poll end time meant that it was just a couple seconds too late. Esooa was actually viable for a short period at EoD2, with Marmot and Axehole also on it and it being tied with Mac and anne.

Also, I tried looking through Axehole's ISO to see if he softed any rolecop checks but couldn't find anything

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:54 pm

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:42 am and btw if mac and falcon are w/w then i was right. there is no world where falcon plays the game he does as town and there is no world in which mac, who by most accounts is a strong scum player, would feel the need to clear falcon, a valuable mischop for mafia unless they are partnered as falcon is known to have a considerably weaker wolf game. it would not surprise me if the entire role was faked, but i admit the lover aspect to this makes it less likely

To be clear: This does not make sense to me. If you would not be surprised that the entire role was faked, why do you assume the lover part to be true anyway?

So about your claim. LC claimed roleblocker and has corroboration from nutella on this, so why would there be a second roleblocker but only for scum? I realize that my confusion may be because you aren't explaining your role well enough, but I would like clarification

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:43 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:38 pm Lime Coke, can you confirm you are a roleblocker? I need someone else to talk to, this thread is going nuts

where did you get the idea lime is rb?

1. You claimed roleblocked. I feel you were unlikely to be targeted by mafia, and judging by his D2 entranced LC seemed to be the person most likely to have done it.
2. After everyone else claimed, he was the only person who it could be without someone having lied.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:41 pm I'm confirming that I'm a roleblocker.

I roleblocked Nutella N1.

Roleblocked NAA N2.

Was trying to stop the night kill.

Okay, so that means everyone's claims are corroborated except for spf's and Dyslexicon's. Of course, roles aren't tied to alignments, but this is still good to know.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:39 pm Serious question: Does anyone else but Leetic think that iaafr is confirmed? Would be good to know if I can cross him off the list. @nutella

I don't care what people think about iaafr, there is hard mechanical evidence clearing him, don't let wolves add him back to the PoE

Lime Coke, can you confirm you are a roleblocker? I need someone else to talk to, this thread is going nuts

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:27 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:15 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:10 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:26 amI still have not seen a good reason from you why JJJ would prefer anne to die over Wilgy, Axehole, and MR (the lattermost of which is confirmed town)

Does it truly not occur to you that mafia does vote other mafia?
Especially when Anne was the leading wagon at the time.
And Jimmay did not have a good standing in the thread himself.
So to collect cred for a wagon that was already looking to be popular (Anne wagon) or to muddy the water for late game, mafia can vote mafia.

I'm not saying this definitely did happen.
But do you just assume these things never happen? I've seen it happen plenty of times.

I already said I don't want assertions that something could have happened, instead I want evidence that it did happen. I explained the Jay/anne thing a million times so just look through my ISO.

Then bring freaking EVIDENCE to your CLAIMS that the two last mafia is in me/Esooa/Nutella. Because I'm pretty damn sure you're just wrong. And you do not have evidence. You THINKING this is not evidence.

You can never have clear evidence in a mafia game. That is the freaking point of the game. If you are town, you DO NOT KNOW. You can guess, but you can never know.

The "evidence" I have is that I think other players in the game is townier than Anne. I know Calexa scum read Anne quite a bit. That is not much, but it's why I consider Anne as possible mafia.

Jimmay voting Anne isn't really relevant to my read on her.

I've already stated my evidence, it's not my fault that you don't fully read my posts

And you can have evidence because players flip, roles give results, and the events of the game are being logged. I've solved games through analysis of these, and I have a feeling that this game is solvable this way as well.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:15 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:54 pm me and dizzy be like: self meta is good and correct actually, unfortunate that it wont get through leetic's head

I could link to all my scumgames and come up with plenty of reasons why I'm town because my play here is nothing like any of my scum games, but I realize that it would be absurd since most of them happened years ago and in much different environments. Self meta is just something that is so prone to cherrypicking and other biases so it should just be ignored. Jackofhearts2005 was able to fake self-meta so he could win a scumgame, I don't see why you wouldn't be capable of doing the same

i'm not choosing games for you to read, i'm telling you to read literally any, and within the last year

but also i dont usually care to do meta dives so i dont expect you to i just expect you to give some weight to the reads from players who are familiar with how i play

the stuff you keep calling me out for, hedging etc, is all far more in my town meta than not, and shows lack of tmi

Hedging is not about TMI, it's about leaving open potential misvotes and being able to distance yourself from partners without encouraging votes on them

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:10 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:26 amI still have not seen a good reason from you why JJJ would prefer anne to die over Wilgy, Axehole, and MR (the lattermost of which is confirmed town)

Does it truly not occur to you that mafia does vote other mafia?
Especially when Anne was the leading wagon at the time.
And Jimmay did not have a good standing in the thread himself.
So to collect cred for a wagon that was already looking to be popular (Anne wagon) or to muddy the water for late game, mafia can vote mafia.

I'm not saying this definitely did happen.
But do you just assume these things never happen? I've seen it happen plenty of times.

I already said I don't want assertions that something could have happened, instead I want evidence that it did happen. I explained the Jay/anne thing a million times so just look through my ISO.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:54 pm me and dizzy be like: self meta is good and correct actually, unfortunate that it wont get through leetic's head

I could link to all my scumgames and come up with plenty of reasons why I'm town because my play here is nothing like any of my scum games, but I realize that it would be absurd since most of them happened years ago and in much different environments. Self meta is just something that is so prone to cherrypicking and other biases so it should just be ignored. Jackofhearts2005 was able to fake self-meta so he could win a scumgame, I don't see why you wouldn't be capable of doing the same

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:52 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:41 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:34 pm @leetic Why are your reads so incredibly static?

They're not? The only reason it may seem that way is that the players who already had strong reason to be townread still have strong reason to be townread

Haven't your scum read me and Nutella for like forever. Actually, never mind. It's probably not even a productive conversation to have. Do your thing and live your best life tbh

Yeah, because you still haven't done anything towny, as you were both on a CW to flipped scum D2. Wilgy, Axehole, and spf to an extent have moved up my reads though

All I've done is towny.

My distinct scum meta is to take control over the game.
Every time I've struggled to get into the game and get a clear overview, I'm town.
If you had ANY INTEREST getting to know a player that you yourself have no knowledge of, you would know this. Any player who knows me and has played with me a lot can and has attested to this in this very game. The players who can see that I'm town are the players who know me the best. Maybe think a little bit about that?

You're acting like scum would not vote other scum.
If I was trying to save Mac from being chopped I would
1. Not call his ass out literally first thing on D1 and throughout the game.
2. Actually have some impact on the game. Not just leave a half assed vote I'm sheeping off of Calexa.
Mac was not going to last. I think the chances that he was bussed is pretty damn high. I'm pretty sure I would have.
You clearly can't or won't read lack of tmi. I obviously have a lack of tmi.
I think Nutella shows pretty obvious lack of tmi as well.
You can gloat if I'm wrong post game.
You're just coming across very narrow minded in the way you're solving to me.
Not saying it doesn't have it's benefits sometimes.
This is not one of those times, I'm pretty sure.

And I'm asking you to actually think before you automatically dismiss or come up with counter arguments.

look, I'm going after Esooa and nutella before you, but you have to admit your ISO isn't great. Most of your Mac interactions are over mechanical stuff rather than anything else and you eventually stepped off of your suspicion. You have yet to vote a flipped wolf when many others have and your D1 vote was scummy. Being too busy to have a major presence does not really give you a townread. Now, there are a couple things that look good for you, like Mac being on you as a vanity wagon (which he also did to flipped town Axehole) and maybe not being sure of a four person team suggests a lack of TMI, but it could be faked as I had already read Axehole as town for a similar reason. Regardless, I suggest you cooperate with me, and keep in mind I do not find self-meta reasons to be convincing in the slightest.

iaafr is cleared town. LC is obvious town. Marmot is obvious town. We can argue about anne, but considering JJJ didn't take the opportunity to go after Axehole at EoD she's obvious town. That narrows it down to five. spf voted both wolves, but both were relatively softcore - she's likely town, but I have seen scum who can put in a similar amount of effort, but still she could have easily taken down anne so I am inclined to townread her. Next is Wilgy, did have a vote on Mac but not too much else that is necessarily clearing, with the main point in his favor being apparent lack of compatibility with much of the PoE. Next is you, which I've already explained, and at the bottom is nutella and Esooa. nutella was off the scum wagon both times, very tunnelly in a push to a wagon that was twice the CW to scum, defended two wolves, showed a lot of hedginess especially with both posts at EoD, and overall has been promoting tinfoil seemingly to disrupt the town. Esooa... well, just look at her posts this phase, but self voting, lack of apparent effort, going after poor targets, and just excessive OMGUS all look bad for her. The bottom two seem to be at each other's throats, but I would expect scum to bus at this point, and then there's nutella's possible TMI over this pairing. I think it makes a lot of sense and would vote between the two, but if you think I'm wrong, you should suggest an alternative that makes sense. I don't want assertions that something might have happened, I want evidence that it did happen.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:44 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:43 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:42 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:34 pm @leetic Why are your reads so incredibly static?

They're not? The only reason it may seem that way is that the players who already had strong reason to be townread still have strong reason to be townread

you've literally never even tried to reevaluate on me despite multiple people giving reasons i'm town


also @ dizzy yeah that wilgy post sucks

Because those aren't strong enough reasons compared to iaafr/Marmot/LC/even anne

they would be if you read like any scum game of mine but whatever lol

Yeah, because Jay in this game and Jay in the game looked exactly the same. And a player can never learn from their mistakes and changed their meta. And wolves have never faked meta in order to get townread. All checks out.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:42 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:34 pm @leetic Why are your reads so incredibly static?

They're not? The only reason it may seem that way is that the players who already had strong reason to be townread still have strong reason to be townread

you've literally never even tried to reevaluate on me despite multiple people giving reasons i'm town


also @ dizzy yeah that wilgy post sucks

Because those aren't strong enough reasons compared to iaafr/Marmot/LC/even anne

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:41 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:32 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:10 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:08 pm I'm about to fully town read both Nutella and Esooa actually. Just warning everyone. And Marmot too. And Lime. And I would probably town read NAA if he was not already flipped. And my reads are probably going to be good and I'm not going to believe in them.

Yeah, no. There are very few people the wolves can actually be at this point, and spf/Wilgy is the only remotely plausible scumteam that doesn't contain you or those two

for one, im not a plausible wolf at all and the fact that youre still saying that i am is the wolfiest thing about your slot. secondly, im obviously not a wolf with wilgy because i gunned for him harder than anyone on d1 and actively tried to pull votes from him. i can only be a wolf with wilgy if you think that i decided to hardbus every single one of my partners with no regard for the endgame whatsoever

anyone that calls me a potential wolf is unironically likely trying to keep the POE open, but that could just be my town entitlement speaking

I'm 90% sure that the wolves are between nutella/Esooa/Dyslexicon and if there's a wolf outside of that it's you or Wilgy. Everyone else just has too many reasons to be townread at this point.

you're clearing anne because she was the counterwagon to wolves two days in a row, right? i asked the same question last night, but if anne was the designated mischop on d2, then who are the wolves that pushed on her? mac did NOT push on anne on d2 at all and specifically tried to pull votes onto NAA

if you believe that anne is clear, then it logically means that a wolf tried to push her on d2, so who do you think that it was? im genuinely asking because im curious about how anne being "clear" is informing the rest of your worldview. you can argue that nutella is the wolf that pushed on anne but i still think that she's town

nutella and Dyslexicon are both options, and MacDougall did go after anne even if he didn't end up on her at EoD

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:39 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:34 pm @leetic Why are your reads so incredibly static?

They're not? The only reason it may seem that way is that the players who already had strong reason to be townread still have strong reason to be townread

Haven't your scum read me and Nutella for like forever. Actually, never mind. It's probably not even a productive conversation to have. Do your thing and live your best life tbh

Yeah, because you still haven't done anything towny, as you were both on a CW to flipped scum D2. Wilgy, Axehole, and spf to an extent have moved up my reads though

Player - Claim - Evidence
anne - Tracker (kind of) - Corroborating claim by nutella
DrWilgy - 1x Vig - Confirmed to have shot MR
Dyslexicon - Messenger/Roleblocker - None
iaafr - Backup Loyal Dayvig, was Vanilla - Axehole's flip, corroborating claim by nutella
ilario/leetic - Masons/Pseudo-Hydra - Share a slot
Lime Coke - Roleblocker? - Only one it can be, assuming everyone is telling the truth
Marmot - Settles ties - Mac went down as he said would happen
nutella - Vanilla Cop - Corroborating claim from iaafr
Esooa - Fruit Vendor - Corroborating claim from Marmot
staypositivefriend - JOAT - None

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:34 pm @leetic Why are your reads so incredibly static?

They're not? The only reason it may seem that way is that the players who already had strong reason to be townread still have strong reason to be townread

Player - Claim - Evidence
anne - Tracker (kind of) - Corroborating claim by nutella
DrWilgy - 1x Vig - Confirmed to have shot MR
Dyslexicon - Messenger/Roleblocker - None
iaafr - Backup Loyal Dayvig, was Vanilla - Axehole's flip, corroborating claim by nutella
ilario/leetic - Masons/Pseudo-Hydra - Share a slot
Lime Coke - ???
Marmot - Settles ties - Mac went down as he said would happen
nutella - Vanilla Cop - Corroborating claim from iaafr
Esooa - Fruit Vendor - Corroborating claim from Marmot
staypositivefriend - ???

Adding evidence for claims

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:10 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:08 pm I'm about to fully town read both Nutella and Esooa actually. Just warning everyone. And Marmot too. And Lime. And I would probably town read NAA if he was not already flipped. And my reads are probably going to be good and I'm not going to believe in them.

Yeah, no. There are very few people the wolves can actually be at this point, and spf/Wilgy is the only remotely plausible scumteam that doesn't contain you or those two

for one, im not a plausible wolf at all and the fact that youre still saying that i am is the wolfiest thing about your slot. secondly, im obviously not a wolf with wilgy because i gunned for him harder than anyone on d1 and actively tried to pull votes from him. i can only be a wolf with wilgy if you think that i decided to hardbus every single one of my partners with no regard for the endgame whatsoever

anyone that calls me a potential wolf is unironically likely trying to keep the POE open, but that could just be my town entitlement speaking

I'm 90% sure that the wolves are between nutella/Esooa/Dyslexicon and if there's a wolf outside of that it's you or Wilgy. Everyone else just has too many reasons to be townread at this point.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:22 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:21 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:20 pm @leetic you are a literal mason pair who hasn't been shot in the night BTW

Yeah, because why would mafia want to shoot an outed Doctor?

a doctor who doesn't actually do anything

when I read Alexas claim I just went "ok lol"

it doesn't save anyone just gives them a day phase at best

No, it was pretty obvious that either cass and Marmot was going down N2. Judging by their Nanook kill, scum was likely PR hunting. My and ilario's main threat to scum is that we have two votes in one slot, but being able to ensure that their kills go through is a far better shot.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:20 pm @leetic you are a literal mason pair who hasn't been shot in the night BTW

Yeah, because why would mafia want to shoot an outed Doctor?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:12 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:07 pmYes, read the signup thread

I actually skimmed it to see if I found the answer lol
And now I read it again and still can't find it. But I also can't find my glasses when they're on my nose so

"a game for 18 players

13 town vs 4 mafia"

On the signup thread, can't quote it for some reason, use Ctrl+F if you can't find it

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:10 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:06 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:05 pm leetic my professional opinion is that you should never again try to directly engage with me and instead use you pedantry around me

My professional opinion is that you're openly gamethrowing if you're town

do you need me to be more direct and just tell you to fuck off?

I'm not the one who's a wolf in this conversation

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:08 pm I'm about to fully town read both Nutella and Esooa actually. Just warning everyone. And Marmot too. And Lime. And I would probably town read NAA if he was not already flipped. And my reads are probably going to be good and I'm not going to believe in them.

Yeah, no. There are very few people the wolves can actually be at this point, and spf/Wilgy is the only remotely plausible scumteam that doesn't contain you or those two

Esooa/nutella most likely team even if I'm still not impressed by Dyslexicon

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:07 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:13 am Remember, we're dealing with three separate wolves right now

Not to be all derpy, but is it confirmed that there are 4 wolves?

Yes, read the signup thread

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:05 pm leetic my professional opinion is that you should never again try to directly engage with me and instead use you pedantry around me

My professional opinion is that you're openly gamethrowing if you're town

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:02 pm honestly I was gonna pop leetic with it originally when I had the worldview that his entire Poe of dizzy/nut/esooa was town and was overconfident on NAA/anne but thought that would be too openly throwy but thought it'd be funny

and started thinking esooa was scum and thought well if he has 1/3 I shouldn't pop him

then I just impulse shot naa because I thought if I waited too long tsp might be away and i hate waiting for day actions to process

idk dude I always troll with mech and it's never fully intentional

I do sincerely apologize tho

Stop it with the self-voting, it doesn't help town at all

If you consider trying to vote cleared town, I will consider you an outed wolf at that point

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:58 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:53 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:51 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:41 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:08 pm [VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

made some big world view post day 2 and a day later or something his thoughts were "the same as this"

probs self aware of himself enough to do the move off the wolf wagon at least a bit

makes posts like "miss you <3" to dizzy but don't care me (biggest offence)

alexa death

He's cleared town you silly-billy

who care light role madness

Read my reasoning, the only way iaafr is scum is if this game is bastard

what if u read the game and saw that every role is unique in weird ways and it'd be extremely easy for the backup to not work 100% like normal or some other thing

I don't care about the mech clear you think you have at all

If something like that happened the game would enter bastard territory, and there are only so many ways that you can die in a day phase. Plus, nutella has a vanilla check on iaafr which lends further credence to his claim.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:54 pm I might read it eventually, but why is iaafr cleared?

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:00 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:57 pm can someone walk me through why iaaft is being considered for his claim? i feel like i missed something

P1: Loyal means the action will fail when used on a player of a different alignment.
P2: iaafr used his dayvig on NotAnAxehole, who flipped town.
P3: This is not a bastard game.
C: iaafr is clear town.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:51 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:41 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:08 pm [VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

made some big world view post day 2 and a day later or something his thoughts were "the same as this"

probs self aware of himself enough to do the move off the wolf wagon at least a bit

makes posts like "miss you <3" to dizzy but don't care me (biggest offence)

alexa death

He's cleared town you silly-billy

who care light role madness

Read my reasoning, the only way iaafr is scum is if this game is bastard