The Syndicate

Bullzeye wrote:I disagree. Gleam and I knew exactly what we were doing on day 6. We were winning.

Was refering to town interests, anyway. Town was so split up that day it wasn't even funny.

I'm voting zebra, since he was the only person who knew what he was doing on D6.

Here's some advice I can give to you:

1. Don't fall for obvious traps. Serge and sig were obvious set ups. You should assume that they're not stupid enough to kill off the guy who suspected them the most. It's okay to throw some suspicion at them in the name of scumhunting (like I did), but you need to get serious at one point.
2. The inactivity was evident here. In fact, in the last three day phases, very little constructive discussion occured. People voted seemingly without reason. Especially frustrating on D5, when it seemed town didn't learn their lesson from the past day, and D6, when the town was split worse than the Republican Party, leading to its demise.
3. Voting records are a useful tool! Use 'em. And also analyze lynches, especially the people who targeted the lynchees in previous phases, instead of suddenly moving to who you feel is the next scummiest.
4. Another thing is that very little scumhunting actually occurred. An important thing is to publish reads you don't fully agree with, see how others react to them, and use that reaction to refine your own reads.
5. Even keeping that in mind, there's no room for screwing around in the last ≈ 6 hours. Pointless joke votes can hurt the town a lot.
6. Finally, never leave the lynch to the RNG!

Seriously guys? Zebra was the only person left who I was sure was town...

I'll post more later.

insertnamehere wrote:I'm fighting a losing battle to get people to ACTUALLY analyze things and not just vote because of vague reads and metagame wackiness.

Welcome to my world.

insertnamehere wrote:

leetic wrote:LOL, am I still alive? The poll says so, so...

LEETIC IS DEAD LONG LIVE LEETIC

Well vote for me! Nothing like being lynched twice in the same slot!

Draconus wrote:

leetic wrote:After a long day of chores, this is what I come back to. Seriously, guys?

Oh well. Is there a deadchat for this game?

I do not have one set up for this game, no. If enough people show enough interest in it I could ask one of our wonderful MODs to make one.

I'd be interested in one, can't speak for the others though.

You know what?

Since Epi suspected Serge and was nightkilled, and rabbit suspected sig and was nightkilled...

I doubt they're scum. They just seem like they're just too easy targets to be scum.

Meanwhile, MM has been passively joining the mislynch bandwagons...

Voting MetalMarsh.

Serge wrote:

leetic wrote:

Serge wrote:What posts, leetic have I not responded to? Go ahead, shoot.

Um, a lot of them, but let's just start with this one.

leetic wrote:

Serge wrote:Go for it. I want to see leetic lynched.

I'll give you one word:

Why?

I have given detailed reasons for all my reads, whereas you don't have more than two sentences saying why you want to lynch me (compare to my wallpost on BtC).

You know what? That's a good idea. I want you to make a wallpost detailing my posts and why you find them scummy. I'm genuinely interested in your analysis skills. Do this, and I may stop scumreading you.

I have that lone case against you plus I didn't know you were newer than me at that point, I think. That post is more of a joke.

This post just confuses me. If that was just a joke, then why are you voting for me?

Serge wrote:If you'd grant me a question, leetic. Say if you think I'm a townie, what would your current scum list look like?

If you're town, sig/MP/Wilgy are the most likely scum team

Though MM isn't looking very good either

Alright DrWilgy. Here's a much-needed post for analyzing him. Had to skip like three-fourths of his posts for being NGR banter. But here it is.

DrWilgy wrote:Lalala~<3 hello everyone! My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a singer!

I have a question! Who is worried more about survivability mafia or civilian?

Next I want you to think based on your answer from above. Who would be more vocal regarding survival? WIFOM isn't an option.

INH can I please have a GTH on Silver, Ika, Rabbit and MP?

So first you ask a question that has nothing to do with scumhunting, and second a minimal-effort scumhunting tactic. You're playing very tunnelly in this game, as on D1 most of you posts were about "GTH" and afterwards most of your posts were about me.

DrWilgy wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Lalala~<3 hello everyone! My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a singer!

I have a question! Who is worried more about survivability mafia or civilian?

Next I want you to think based on your answer from above. Who would be more vocal regarding survival? WIFOM isn't an option.

INH can I please have a GTH on Silver, Ika, Rabbit and MP?

(uhh what does GTH stand for?)

Lalala~<3 GTH is a gun to head read. If I had a gun, put it to your head and told you to tell me good or bad reads of people, that's GTH.

@Silver, are you and Ika both good or both bad? Also... I see you skipped my question from previous...

...Why would they say they're both bad?

DrWilgy wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

DrWilgy wrote: @Silver, are you and Ika both good or both bad? Also... I see you skipped my question from previous...

Stop grouping us together. I don't speak for ika.

I didn't skip shit. I probably missed it. I have half the game lining up to scumread/question me for fucking playstyle shit ika and I get every time we play together.

Well, pardon me Silver, but here's the reason why we can't stop grouping you together.

ika wrote:I'm on break but if people are thinking silver is scum I will bet you right fucking now she's town. If anyone is gonna fight me on that I will bet right now. I'm mobile so I'll speak later proeper

along with

Silver wrote:Also, if everyone is gonna start pairing ika and I up again, I'm gonna get irate. Just because we know each other IRL and are very good at figuring each other out in these games does not mean we are the same person. Read us differently.

So why do you get upset when we read you together? based on the theory hat you read each other very well, we can assume if you two aren't doubting on one another, then you are on the same team.

Here's something else that's off, we aren't saying you are the same person, we are saying that you share alignment based on the above. Do you think this is true or false?

This all boils down to "I don't want people to read us together" but "we aren't opposing forces" and "Ika states that I'm civ", and that doesn't fit together.

Also, in regards to my question, it was a mindset type question. I hope that others answer it as well.

@Ika has Silver gotten past you as scum in any other games?

Wolf attacking. NAI because they were scummy.

DrWilgy wrote:Hmm... Bye Ika and Silver. Hello Epi and Quin.

INH, mind doing that GTH now? I just want good or bad regarding Epi, Quin, MP, Rabbit, and I.

GTH tunneling.

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yo MP!

What caused your townread on leetic? What caused your townread on Ikanosis?

Actually it was mostly the conversation that leetic and Epi had regarding policy lynches; they both seemed genuinely interested in town's best interests with their viewpoints. It's tentative though and heavily gut-based until I have voting data and such.

Thanks, I'm torn between voting Quin for the points I raised earlier with Silver and giving Quin another chance. (I just realized that I don't like killing those who sub in. I wonder why?)

Quin, could you resolve this for me?

DrWilgy wrote:This all boils down to "I don't want people to read us together" but "we aren't opposing forces" and "Ika states that I'm civ", and that doesn't fit together.

I do like the way votes are spread though, we are on the right path.

Linki - Well you haven't tried too hard to read me then Gleam, because I've contributed more. I'll help you settle your frustration when you (if you) answer any questions that I've asked the group and stop saying that I don't do anything.

Already addressed.

DrWilgy wrote:Guess I'm voting Quin.

Guess your vote was scummy. See below for details.

DrWilgy wrote:

leetic wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yo MP!

What caused your townread on leetic? What caused your townread on Ikanosis?

Actually it was mostly the conversation that leetic and Epi had regarding policy lynches; they both seemed genuinely interested in town's best interests with their viewpoints. It's tentative though and heavily gut-based until I have voting data and such.

Thanks, I'm torn between voting Quin for the points I raised earlier with Silver and giving Quin another chance. (I just realized that I don't like killing those who sub in. I wonder why?)

Quin, could you resolve this for me?

...Okay. Why the hell would you ask Quin that? She’d obviously say that she wouldn’t want to be lynched (and in fact had said that previously) and this post just feels like an excuse not to vote.

DrWilgy wrote:Guess I'm voting Quin.

...Although he did end up voting Quin. He changed his opinion in light of the fact that there was very little time left in the phase (keep in mind Quin made no posts between these two). So why the above post? Maybe he wanted to present the illusion of giving Quin a chance, but was hasty after there was little time. DrWilgy is looking scummy.

At least snip my quotes correctly. I wasn't asking Quin to say "yeah go ahead and lynch me" or not, what I stated was this:

DrWilgy wrote:Quin, could you resolve this for me?

DrWilgy wrote:This all boils down to "I don't want people to read us together" but "we aren't opposing forces" and "Ika states that I'm civ", and that doesn't fit together.

There was no "illusion" of wanting to give Quin a chance. I wanted to give Quin a chance and even stated so, but only because of my dislike of voting replacements. I asked a question hoping for resolution, but then had to vote for someone before time was up. Would you rather me random vote or not vote at all?

Okay. So, by analyzing his posts, it seems he'd be referring to GTH.

Except, this was something that occurred before she subbed in. Besides, that's 5 people you asked and didn't respond, are all five scum? Well actually three flipped town so that post is the epitome of your scummyness.

There. I responded to your damn post. Happy?

DrWilgy wrote:Voted Gleam for 7 way tie memes, and for not acknowledging me. If it wouldn't break the tie and had 2 votes, I'd vote Leetic as well. If Marmot was my dad I'd be DrWarmot, most definitely a Marmot Doctor.

Okay. So voting for tying purposes? I guess after Bass's flip that's not scummy so much as it is pointless. Why the hell do people vote for reasons like this?

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Voting Wilgy because he doesn't exist.

Zebra, would you ignore me?

What are you talking about? I don't understand any of this post.

Yay! Zebra doesn't hate me! *eyes sparkle as he leaps towards Zebra with open arms*

Gleam and Leetic hate me...

If you think I'm an ethos egomaniac, then you're a pathos one. Trying to appeal to emotion by saying your accusers hate you. D'aw...

DrWilgy wrote:Leeeeeeeeeeeeeetic!

wanna respond to me now?

DrWilgy wrote:

Serge wrote:What posts, leetic have I not responded to? Go ahead, shoot.

I don't think leetic is qualified to give judgement based on lack of responses.

DrWilgy wrote:#votingleetictillhesdead

More tunnelling me. This is literally all he posted in the span of 48 hours, just meaningless, repetitive posts that say he wants me lynched.

To be fair, I don't find him as scummy as sig or even Serge, but he's number three on my list for now.

DrWilgy wrote:

leetic wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok. I analyzed Leetic as scum. Not civ minded. Manipulative with a thrown together art of ethos.

Tell me Leetic, why should Zebra keep that in mind in case Sig flips scum? Or are you going to dodge my question for another 48 hours?

Wow, trying to "analyze" me without giving any evidence. Nice.

Also, we should, since that is possible scummbuddying.

Evidence: You told everyone to apologize to Quin, emphasizing a "I didn't do anything wrong" attitude. Then when I responded to your analysis that had a question in it, you dodged the question for 48 hours. So 1. You inappropriately appealed which put yourself in a higher light and 2. You only read and respond to things that assist you rather than others.

You still have yet to answer that question from 48 hours ago.

Evidence: I have made far more analysis than any other user. And you know what? I'm gonna analyze you, because you are acting very tunnel-y.

And I told everyone to apologize to Quin, not because it was a scumtell, but rather because I feltit was unfair to lynch someone based on the actions of someone else.

Make a wallpost detailing my posts, and maybe I will take your "accusations" seriously.

a2thezebra wrote:

leetic wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I also think that sig is bad but I've been wrong about sig too many times to put my vote there...for now.

Why are you relying on meta reads? Keep this post in mind if sig flips scum.

I'm not relying on meta reads, I'm relying(?) on my failure to read a particular player.

If you find someone scummy, you vote for them. Scum can take advantage of such attitudes as yours.

DrWilgy wrote:Ok. I analyzed Leetic as scum. Not civ minded. Manipulative with a thrown together art of ethos.

Tell me Leetic, why should Zebra keep that in mind in case Sig flips scum? Or are you going to dodge my question for another 48 hours?

Wow, trying to "analyze" me without giving any evidence. Nice.

Also, we should, since that is possible scummbuddying.

a2thezebra wrote:I also think that sig is bad but I've been wrong about sig too many times to put my vote there...for now.

Why are you relying on meta reads? Keep this post in mind if sig flips scum.

DrWilgy wrote:

leetic wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:#votingleetictillhesdead

What's your problem?

Definitely not this:

DrWilgy wrote:

leetic wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yo MP!

What caused your townread on leetic? What caused your townread on Ikanosis?

Actually it was mostly the conversation that leetic and Epi had regarding policy lynches; they both seemed genuinely interested in town's best interests with their viewpoints. It's tentative though and heavily gut-based until I have voting data and such.

Thanks, I'm torn between voting Quin for the points I raised earlier with Silver and giving Quin another chance. (I just realized that I don't like killing those who sub in. I wonder why?)

Quin, could you resolve this for me?

...Okay. Why the hell would you ask Quin that? She’d obviously say that she wouldn’t want to be lynched (and in fact had said that previously) and this post just feels like an excuse not to vote.

DrWilgy wrote:Guess I'm voting Quin.

...Although he did end up voting Quin. He changed his opinion in light of the fact that there was very little time left in the phase (keep in mind Quin made no posts between these two). So why the above post? Maybe he wanted to present the illusion of giving Quin a chance, but was hasty after there was little time. DrWilgy is looking scummy.

At least snip my quotes correctly. I wasn't asking Quin to say "yeah go ahead and lynch me" or not, what I stated was this:

DrWilgy wrote:Quin, could you resolve this for me?

DrWilgy wrote:This all boils down to "I don't want people to read us together" but "we aren't opposing forces" and "Ika states that I'm civ", and that doesn't fit together.

There was no "illusion" of wanting to give Quin a chance. I wanted to give Quin a chance and even stated so, but only because of my dislike of voting replacements. I asked a question hoping for resolution, but then had to vote for someone before time was up. Would you rather me random vote or not vote at all?

DrWilgy wrote:Voted Gleam for 7 way tie memes, and for not acknowledging me. If it wouldn't break the tie and had 2 votes, I'd vote Leetic as well. If Marmot was my dad I'd be DrWarmot, most definitely a Marmot Doctor.

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Voting Wilgy because he doesn't exist.

Zebra, would you ignore me?

What are you talking about? I don't understand any of this post.

Yay! Zebra doesn't hate me! *eyes sparkle as he leaps towards Zebra with open arms*

Gleam and Leetic hate me...

DrWilgy wrote:Leeeeeeeeeeeeeetic!

wanna respond to me now?

DrWilgy wrote:

Serge wrote:What posts, leetic have I not responded to? Go ahead, shoot.

I don't think leetic is qualified to give judgement based on lack of responses.

Vote registered for Leetic

Yeah. So all your discussion for ≈ 48 hours. But wouldn't that make you scummy, since you're a one-issue poster? Quit tunneling me and start analyzing.

I'm voting for sig now.

Say goodbye.

DrWilgy wrote:#votingleetictillhesdead

What's your problem?

a2thezebra wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:My comment was clearly a joke, yours just looks like you're directly criticising the people who voted Bass. You don't even frame it as an accusation, just that they should have known he wasn't bad.

Your joke served no purpose, my criticism did not. And the underlined is true, what is your objection exactly? I'd like to hear from the people that voted Bass because I don't understand why they suspected him. It's not a criticism of them, but their actions. Is that not cool or what?

I made an entire wallpost on the topic, so you can look at that if you wish.

Serge wrote:What posts, leetic have I not responded to? Go ahead, shoot.

Um, a lot of them, but let's just start with this one.

leetic wrote:

Serge wrote:Go for it. I want to see leetic lynched.

I'll give you one word:

Why?

I have given detailed reasons for all my reads, whereas you don't have more than two sentences saying why you want to lynch me (compare to my wallpost on BtC).

You know what? That's a good idea. I want you to make a wallpost detailing my posts and why you find them scummy. I'm genuinely interested in your analysis skills. Do this, and I may stop scumreading you.

Though really any post in which I address you can count.

insertnamehere wrote:

leetic wrote:I mean, it's one thing for someone to say "leetic is town because he is acting like a cool cat, which he did in Cool Cat Mafia where he was town." And it's another thing for ME to say that.

Is this a YMS reference?

No it's not.

leetic wrote:

sig wrote:There is no good reason to town read me yet, but also no reason to scum read me.

Rabbit's post are nonsensical since they make no sense, he doesn't explain why he thinks I'm mafia at all and says I'm just talking in gibberish.

I want evidence. Quote some of Rabbit's posts that support your statements.

Speaking of things people never respond to, sig, you've never responded to this.

rabbit8 wrote:

Serge wrote:I didn't quote sig

I know, leetic did... I'll make big something that makes me

leetic wrote:Alright, I may be nightkilled on this phase, so I'll make a few wallposts. Here's an argument against Serge. I'm analyzing only his D2 here, since most of his D1 is meaningless banter.

sig wrote:SO Some good ole NKA (night kill analysis), Epi is a strong player which alone could explain his death, however he replaced into a weak situation he could've been mislynched at some point. So why kill him night 1?

He suspected Serge and leetic and spent a large portion of the day going back and forth with leetic. So I'm eyeing Leetic and Serge.

I'll be placing a vote for Serge now.
Also yes I know people will say it is scummy for me to build a case around someone being NK'd but that plus what Epi said about Serge and Serge's actions are enough for me to lay a vote out.

Okay, so he votes Serge, and provides some good reasons right?

Except, the situation he's describing is WIFOM at best. Scum could kill someone like Epignosis to incriminate the people he scumreads, and such a post would speed up the process. The fact that this is his only read that he puts any real analysis into doesn't help, as it suggests that that post is intended to help his agenda.

sig wrote:Good point while Epi did vote Serge his suspicion mainly stemmed from Leetic's defense of Serge. I'm operating under the assumption that Leetic and Serge are both mafia, since Leetic came in and defended Serge. However, I don't know Leetic's meta so he might just' have been defending Serge for the reasons he stated. So I'd rather at this point vote for Serge and if/when Serge flip mafia go for Leetic.

Though Leetic's vote for MP.

Bulls what do you think of MP wanting to policy lynch Dizzy and him voting for me?

Okay, so I defended Serge, so we must be scum, right? Except 1.) That's not what happened (I was opposed to a policy lynch and even voted Serge when he started displaying scummy behavior) and 2.) If me defending Serge makes me scumbuddies with Serge, then by extension sig defending me makes sig scumbuddies with me. Yeah, this seems hypocritical when you take his previous posts into account, but then again that may have been the intention (buddying with an analytical and potentially dangerous (to scum) player in hopes of making him look scummy).

sig wrote:Also I'd consider switching to Leetic but, I'd want to ISO him and don't have the time right now.

So yeah, that vote wasn't intended to be permanent from the get-go. Not only does that display a sort of planning into your votes, but it also reeks of distancing.

sig wrote:I was under the assumption you thought it was scummy of MP to want to policy lynch from your post?

Yeah, I'm just quoting this one to support my Serge/MP/sig theory.

sig wrote:I'm feeling good about Leetic right now, so I'll switch on over to Bass

linki: No U.

...Okay. So after two wallposts, you decided to back down and follow me. That post basically contradicts everything that he's said before that point. Plus, I had built momentum in that thread, so he was following a leader toward an easy mislynch. Another thing that I mentioned before, is that he provides no reason for any of this. I was his second biggest scumread before this post, and now I'm magically someone he's following. What.

I asked him several times to provide quoted posts to support his statements. He didn't provide any.

sig wrote:There is no good reason to town read me yet, but also no reason to scum read me.

Rabbit's post are nonsensical since they make no sense, he doesn't explain why he thinks I'm mafia at all and says I'm just talking in gibberish.

Well, that's too bad, I've came up with many reasons to scum read you based on your previous posts.

And with Rabbit, I feel that "they make no sense" is just a way to evade Rabbit's accusations.

Well, that's one player down. I'll make similar posts for Serge and MP, and maybe a couple of others (I'm willing to take requests!). I want to get all my analysis out now before I get nightkilled so town has all the necessary tools. Serge, watch out, because you're next.

I don't know man. That's strange to make a case off someone else's post, Leetic. But I see your overall point.

Just weird to me.

Oh sorry, that's a typo, I meant to say sig. It's 23:00 in the Coal Region here, so I apologize for that mistake. Pues, buenos noches amigos

Alright Serge. Prepare to be... analyzed!!!

Serge wrote:Hey guys, I see everyone's already going for my human neck. Or stomach, depending how huge your maws are. I logged in yesterday, saw the deadline was still tomorrow, so I logged out. My two posts were made on day 0, I think. Please don't lynch me. I appeal to your humanity.

So, a small attempt at self-preservation.

Serge wrote:Also, weak sauce Epignosis, I would've tried to blend in as scum. Get someone else's jugular.

"Well, take my word for it, I'm not scum because I'd act differently as scum!" Meta hiding that I'm talking about.

Serge wrote:I think I've said this before but day 1 is usually hazy for me. I think I said this on Turf Wars, it's the truth. If you believe me then we'll be able to make Mafia great again.

Why should I believe you? You always want to be believed, but don't provide any reasons for doing so.

Serge wrote:I think leetic is right: it's better to not focus on low posters as they'll get replaced anyway. No self-respecting scum will win by being AWOL and by manufacturing reasons, they have to win it.

Except inactive scum is possible. His response...

Serge wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Serge wrote:I think I've said this before but day 1 is usually hazy for me. I think I said this on Turf Wars, it's the truth. If you believe me then we'll be able to make Mafia great again.

Why only post now? Votes?

Well players are becoming much more vocal for me to get thrown off the wall to the titans so I had to do something. I logged in yesterday, saw there was a lot of time left, and logged out.

Well, his response will come later. For now, this makes his intent clear: that he's only here for self-preservation. He's acting like he tried to blend in, but is jumping ship since that failed.

Serge wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Serge wrote:I think leetic is right: it's better to not focus on low posters as they'll get replaced anyway. No self-respecting scum will win by being AWOL and by manufacturing reasons, they have to win it.

Is Quin ika's replacement? Or is it leetic?

I've seen plenty of AWOL mafia in my time.

And you're not AWOL now, are you?

Then they're bad players

Ah, here's his response! But it doesn't recognize that we are not concerned over "good" or "bad" play, only towny or scummy play. But the real kicker is a post that comes later...

Serge wrote:I didn't say I was good. This is how I play. I am still somewhat one of the new guys in this site so I'm not confident stirring the pot on Day 1, case in point, two new players already got replaced. Day 2 we get more concrete stuff to work with.

PS: thanks for the advice

In Day 1 you build a foundation for the game so you have a lot to run with on Day 2. You won't have nearly as much information on D2 if everyone was lazy on D1. But anyway, this is just an excuse to lay low.

But here's a kicker - he said he wasn't a good player (his words, not mine). He also said that not-good players tend to be AWOL as scum. Therefore, by his own logic...

Serge wrote:

sig wrote:SO Some good ole NKA (night kill analysis), Epi is a strong player which alone could explain his death, however he replaced into a weak situation he could've been mislynched at some point. So why kill him night 1?

He suspected Serge and leetic and spent a large portion of the day going back and forth with leetic. So I'm eyeing Leetic and Serge.

I'll be placing a vote for Serge now.
Also yes I know people will say it is scummy for me to build a case around someone being NK'd but that plus what Epi said about Serge and Serge's actions are enough for me to lay a vote out.

Epignosis didn't even vote for me. Things aren't that cut and dried, if it's someone's intention to frame me going by Epignosis's death then it worked on you.

I failed to mention this but I played two other games where I was town wherein I had little to no posts on the first day, namely Futurama and Barry Lyndon. Epignosis's assessment of me doing that as scum falls apart with those two games.

More meta hiding.

Serge wrote:Not really a NO U. He did a complete turn on my case, I wouldn't even be mad if he was suspicious of me on the onset like Epignosis was.

Uh, I didn't do a turnaround. I was just opposed to policy lynching, and went after you when you gave us reasons to believe that you're scum.

Serge wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Serge wrote:And yeah, I probably will if I don't find a better candidate later.

Is there any more than just his turnaround on you that you found suspicious? I actually thought his switch there was quite well-reasoned FWIW.

Yeah, it's leetic. It feels bad that you're dispensible just to see if someone's theory will prove to be correct, and it's easier to choose me because I'm new here and you're all buddy buddies. I get it. I don't like it.

Bullzeye beat me to this one, but I'm newer than him. This just seems like an attempt to discredit the ideas of his accusers.

Serge wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Serge wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Serge wrote:And yeah, I probably will if I don't find a better candidate later.

Is there any more than just his turnaround on you that you found suspicious? I actually thought his switch there was quite well-reasoned FWIW.

Yeah, it's leetic. It feels bad that you're dispensible just to see if someone's theory will prove to be correct, and it's easier to choose me because I'm new here and you're all buddy buddies. I get it. I don't like it.

Well Leetic is newer here than you are.

Well, I have no words

Well, some people said my skills leave them speechless...

Serge wrote:Go for it. I want to see leetic lynched.

I'd like to see you try, with your poor evidence. In fact, he has not responded to any of my posts, which does not help his case.

Serge wrote:You know, this would be easier if you all believe I'm town.

Why do you expect us to believe you're town? Towncred is something that's earned. It's scummy to expect people to follow you unreasonably.

Serge wrote:May the dark scummy forces smite you, leetic!

Go for it, for my flip shall be the best argument against my accusers.

Well that's 2/3. Getting MP's done tomorrow because I'm really tired right now. So… yeah.

Serge wrote:May the dark scummy forces smite you, leetic!

LOL look who showed up.

Don't worry Serge, my analysis will get finished soon.

Alright, I may be nightkilled on this phase, so I'll make a few wallposts. Here's an argument against Serge. I'm analyzing only his D2 here, since most of his D1 is meaningless banter.

sig wrote:SO Some good ole NKA (night kill analysis), Epi is a strong player which alone could explain his death, however he replaced into a weak situation he could've been mislynched at some point. So why kill him night 1?

He suspected Serge and leetic and spent a large portion of the day going back and forth with leetic. So I'm eyeing Leetic and Serge.

I'll be placing a vote for Serge now.
Also yes I know people will say it is scummy for me to build a case around someone being NK'd but that plus what Epi said about Serge and Serge's actions are enough for me to lay a vote out.

Okay, so he votes Serge, and provides some good reasons right?

Except, the situation he's describing is WIFOM at best. Scum could kill someone like Epignosis to incriminate the people he scumreads, and such a post would speed up the process. The fact that this is his only read that he puts any real analysis into doesn't help, as it suggests that that post is intended to help his agenda.

sig wrote:Good point while Epi did vote Serge his suspicion mainly stemmed from Leetic's defense of Serge. I'm operating under the assumption that Leetic and Serge are both mafia, since Leetic came in and defended Serge. However, I don't know Leetic's meta so he might just' have been defending Serge for the reasons he stated. So I'd rather at this point vote for Serge and if/when Serge flip mafia go for Leetic.

Though Leetic's vote for MP.

Bulls what do you think of MP wanting to policy lynch Dizzy and him voting for me?

Okay, so I defended Serge, so we must be scum, right? Except 1.) That's not what happened (I was opposed to a policy lynch and even voted Serge when he started displaying scummy behavior) and 2.) If me defending Serge makes me scumbuddies with Serge, then by extension sig defending me makes sig scumbuddies with me. Yeah, this seems hypocritical when you take his previous posts into account, but then again that may have been the intention (buddying with an analytical and potentially dangerous (to scum) player in hopes of making him look scummy).

sig wrote:Also I'd consider switching to Leetic but, I'd want to ISO him and don't have the time right now.

So yeah, that vote wasn't intended to be permanent from the get-go. Not only does that display a sort of planning into your votes, but it also reeks of distancing.

sig wrote:I was under the assumption you thought it was scummy of MP to want to policy lynch from your post?

Yeah, I'm just quoting this one to support my Serge/MP/sig theory.

sig wrote:I'm feeling good about Leetic right now, so I'll switch on over to Bass

linki: No U.

...Okay. So after two wallposts, you decided to back down and follow me. That post basically contradicts everything that he's said before that point. Plus, I had built momentum in that thread, so he was following a leader toward an easy mislynch. Another thing that I mentioned before, is that he provides no reason for any of this. I was his second biggest scumread before this post, and now I'm magically someone he's following. What.

I asked him several times to provide quoted posts to support his statements. He didn't provide any.

sig wrote:There is no good reason to town read me yet, but also no reason to scum read me.

Rabbit's post are nonsensical since they make no sense, he doesn't explain why he thinks I'm mafia at all and says I'm just talking in gibberish.

Well, that's too bad, I've came up with many reasons to scum read you based on your previous posts.

And with Rabbit, I feel that "they make no sense" is just a way to evade Rabbit's accusations.

Well, that's one player down. I'll make similar posts for Serge and MP, and maybe a couple of others (I'm willing to take requests!). I want to get all my analysis out now before I get nightkilled so town has all the necessary tools. Serge, watch out, because you're next.

Yeah, Sig really only joined the wagon when he thought I would defend him, and provided no proper content or analysis to defend his opinions. His late D2 was very scummy.

So, Serge/MP/BtC wasn't a reality... Imma gonna go with Serge/MP/sig then, although sig doesn't really have as many scummy interactions with Serge and MP as BtC did. Rechecking thread to evaluate suspicions.

sig wrote:There is no good reason to town read me yet, but also no reason to scum read me.

Rabbit's post are nonsensical since they make no sense, he doesn't explain why he thinks I'm mafia at all and says I'm just talking in gibberish.

I want evidence. Quote some of Ranbot's posts that support your statements.

sig wrote:

leetic wrote:

sig wrote:Zebra I'm making perfect sense Rabbit isn't making any sense.

Care to provide reasons?

On what?

And no I don't think I do. :P

Why should people townread you?
Why are Rabbit's posts nonsensical?

I want content. AWJs (Accusations Without Justifications) are meaningless.

sig wrote:Zebra I'm making perfect sense Rabbit isn't making any sense.

Care to provide reasons?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I going to go ahead a put my vote on leetic.

Why thanks for the OMGUS.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I might've voted Leetic day one to tie it all up but after Epi got night killed and his long post about me trying to take shit out of context reads super scumy.

Might've? So you don't even know the reasons for your own vote? Keeping my vote on you.

Serge wrote:Go for it. I want to see leetic lynched.

I'll give you one word:

Why?

I have given detailed reasons for all my reads, whereas you don't have more than two sentences saying why you want to lynch me (compare to my wallpost on BtC).

You know what? That's a good idea. I want you to make a wallpost detailing my posts and why you find them scummy. I'm genuinely interested in your analysis skills. Do this, and I may stop scumreading you.

Alright guys, after an evening of drinking Earl Grey and listening to Coldplay, I present this leetictm brand wallpost to you! I’ll be addressing one player, Bass_the_Clever, who seems to be the scummiest user on D1 actions, and who has mysteriously disappeared come D2. But enough of the banter. Let’s get this party started!

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I voted front lines.

Non-Game-Related. Moving on.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, my gut says the scum team is ika, Dizzy, Wilgy, and Silverwolf. Now everyone has to listen to me and consider it, and if anyone tries to ignore me, I will scum read them!

I suggest you take this to the MoD now. You've had a bad attitude since the game began and there's no reason to come in here and act this way. If you don't like how ika is playing, do your own thing and ignore it. No reason to raise such a fuss. It distracts the game, irritates people, and stops those who are here for the first time from having a good impression of our community.

Why would he ignore ika who has been riding his ass out the gate. If he ignored him/her it would look bad.

Defending MP from Silverwolf. They could be scumbuddies…

Anyway, reading people based on wolf interactions is hard to do, since the wolves had many genuine reasons to be considered scummy. This is one of the more questionable interactions, though, since it’s an Accusation Without a Justification.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Also for the record I was in a hurry when I voted yesterday so I didn't get to explain my vote. I voted front lines because I read the AOT manga and watch the show and with the roles most of the civs would have been in the front lines if the host is following cannon .
I also play with my gut and it has worked way better for me then logic in many games.

More NGR. It makes him scummy as hell! Just kidding, it’s just NAI banter. Moving on.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:So ika and silver wolf , who do you think is scum and town so far?

He’s targeting the suspect users here, who would be a safe lynch. Not too scummy, granted, but it raises eyebrows, namely my own.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:So ika and silver wolf , who do you think is scum and town so far?

Great question. What do you think? I don't see much from you this game yet. Give us your thoughts. Right now, I already said what I thought of MP and ika. I don't have a lot of super strong opinions early game and usually don't. So far, You basically said MP would look bad if he ignored ika. So you think he's town then? Is that your only opinion besides jumping on the people lining up to be suspicious of myself and ika at the first opportunity?

What I don't understand from you and ika is why you are defending each other so hard, so early this game. There are only two reasons that come to mind as to why that could be . Reason 1.) You are both mafia and know each others roles , or reason 2.) You guys are dating and told each other your roles or some how found out each others roles. Besides those two reason there should be no reason to say things like " bet you he/ she isn't scum" on day fucking one.
Also I do think MP is a frustrated civ because, to me it seems like you two are bullying him a little bit.

Alright, here’s where we go from “a little bit suspect” to “definitely scummy”. Here’s where he starts accusing them of cheating and continues buddying with MP - even if MP isn’t scum, buddying with a townsperson is a scum tactic, which it looks like is happening. Also repeating a lot of MP’s arguments.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Yeah I agree with rabbit. If am I up for Lynch I try to survive no matter what side I'm on. I will say as mafia you want to survive more because your team needs you.

This is that meta hiding that I keep talking about, setting up a claim that scummy behavior is NAI for him.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Did no what read what I wrote about them being alone a relationship and they might have found out each others role? I find it crazy that know what else would take that into account.

Explained, for the most part, in my previous post. One thing I didn’t mention is how this isn’t his first time saying this, so he might’ve tried to restart the plan when it seemingly failed.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Where is agleaminranks have they posted anything this game?
Epi why serge and not agleaminranks ?

Another post to keep in mind. With all these interactions, a Bass/MP/Serge team sounds quite reasonable.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:So I'm super busy so I need to vote now.

So who ya gonna vote.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm voting leetie to tie it up.

...Yeah. Explained in my previous wallpost. I also noticed that he didn’t mention me at all in his previous posts - that vote is just random as hell, with poor justification. And he criticized ika for “riding his ass”...

Anyway, with all that said, Vote: Bass_the_Clever. If he flips scum, I’m going after MP and Serge.

And th-th-th-that’s all folks! Hey, it’s fun to end wallposts like this. So anyway, hoped you liked my analysis, since this will likely be my last wallpost for D2. I use the word “anyway’ a lot, don’t I?ninb4 I need to write another wallpost today - Wait leetic, don’t tempt fate!

And yes, I legitimately do not know why I write all that fluff. Anyway, join us next time when we talk about… something.

MovingPictures07 wrote:For the record, ika, and everyone else, I apologize for what I "contributed" to the heated conversation before. Clearly I got caught up in an overly emotional exchange that wasn't quite necessary or productive. I'm hoping to shift focus going forward and make this as productive a Day 1 as possible. Help me make that happen.

This is from D1, before the wolves subbed out. I feel as if it was possible that MP pushed that conversation to waste time, and set up two easy mislynches. Except, since Epi got killed, that wouldn't make too much sense. EXCEPT...

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Did no what read what I wrote about them being alone a relationship and they might have found out each others role? I find it crazy that know what else would take that into account.

Hmm... This post may be the reason that Epi was nightkilled. Because, assume that he's scum, he might think people would treat Epi as confirmed town after Quin's flip. Epi as a nightkill would make sense in that regard.

I'll check some other posts on the thread first, but I might change my vote to Bass after that. Saying someone is cheating is modkill bait, and would take out two townies. Furthermore, his interactions with the wolves are slightly scummier than MP's, if for the simple fact that Epi as a nightkill would make more sense in Bass's eyes than MP's.

Serge wrote:

leetic wrote:

Serge wrote:

sig wrote:SO Some good ole NKA (night kill analysis), Epi is a strong player which alone could explain his death, however he replaced into a weak situation he could've been mislynched at some point. So why kill him night 1?

He suspected Serge and leetic and spent a large portion of the day going back and forth with leetic. So I'm eyeing Leetic and Serge.

I'll be placing a vote for Serge now.
Also yes I know people will say it is scummy for me to build a case around someone being NK'd but that plus what Epi said about Serge and Serge's actions are enough for me to lay a vote out.

Epignosis didn't even vote for me. Things aren't that cut and dried, if it's someone's intention to frame me going by Epignosis's death then it worked on you.

I failed to mention this but I played two other games where I was town wherein I had little to no posts on the first day, namely Futurama and Barry Lyndon. Epignosis's assessment of me doing that as scum falls apart with those two games.

Meta reading is something I'm not a big fan of, as people can be inconsistent, and can actively use how people think they'd act against them.

This, however, is something else entirely. I mean, it's one thing for someone to say "leetic is town because he is acting like a cool cat, which he did in Cool Cat Mafia where he was town." And it's another thing for ME to say that.

Thing is, it sounds like you're taking advantage of that. "Oh, if I don't post much in D1, then nobody will think I'm scum!!!" Self meta-reading is a scummy thing to do.

Taking advantage of what now?

Past meta.

Serge wrote:

sig wrote:SO Some good ole NKA (night kill analysis), Epi is a strong player which alone could explain his death, however he replaced into a weak situation he could've been mislynched at some point. So why kill him night 1?

He suspected Serge and leetic and spent a large portion of the day going back and forth with leetic. So I'm eyeing Leetic and Serge.

I'll be placing a vote for Serge now.
Also yes I know people will say it is scummy for me to build a case around someone being NK'd but that plus what Epi said about Serge and Serge's actions are enough for me to lay a vote out.

Epignosis didn't even vote for me. Things aren't that cut and dried, if it's someone's intention to frame me going by Epignosis's death then it worked on you.

I failed to mention this but I played two other games where I was town wherein I had little to no posts on the first day, namely Futurama and Barry Lyndon. Epignosis's assessment of me doing that as scum falls apart with those two games.

Meta reading is something I'm not a big fan of, as people can be inconsistent, and can actively use how people think they'd act against them.

This, however, is something else entirely. I mean, it's one thing for someone to say "leetic is town because he is acting like a cool cat, which he did in Cool Cat Mafia where he was town." And it's another thing for ME to say that.

Thing is, it sounds like you're taking advantage of that. "Oh, if I don't post much in D1, then nobody will think I'm scum!!!" Self meta-reading is a scummy thing to do.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't understand why I'm getting votes. How else do you all propose we figure out Dizzy's alignment then? Anyone?

Um, how else will we find your alignment unless we lynch you? Mine unless we lynch me? Except, if we lynch one of us, there'd be more to go off of. Keeping my vote on MP for posts like this.

Also, of note is that he is far less hasty to lynch Dyslexicon than he was to lynch Serge. Serge/MP scum is possible.

Bullzeye wrote:

leetic wrote: You generally forget the actions of the player who subbed out, as in many of the cases those people who sub out do so for a lack of motivation, and people who lack motivation tend to make mistakes. Also, funny how many of the people who voted Quin townread Epignosis, when ika was arguably scummier than Silver.

If someone subs out because they were basically uninvolved then yeah, I agree with you that their actions would likely be forgotten. Let's not pretend Silver and Ika were uninvolved though. You can't really ask someone to just pretend none of that happened and act like Epi and Quin were replacing no-shows.

Also FWIW I thought Silver looked the scummier of the two and would've been more inclined toward believing Ika were civ in light of a Silver baddie reveal than vice versa. I wondered if maybe Silver was bad trying to buddy up to an oblivious Ika and that idea kept resurfacing in my mind.

Well, I could argue that since ika townread Silver before the vice versa happened, ika was the more likely buddy... But that would be pointless since they're both dead.

Besides, the "F it, you are all full of BS, I'm outta here!!1!" attitude displayed by Silver did not give the appearance of Silver trying hard. But enough of that argument, what's done is done and there's no need to argue it further.

Serge wrote:Not really a NO U. He did a complete turn on my case, I wouldn't even be mad if he was suspicious of me on the onset like Epignosis was.

Uh... That was in light of your prodgy posts, and I gave three good reasons for why I changed my vote, each one of them taking a paragraph. If you think the reasons are invalid and scummy, then go ahead, analyze them. But making a 2-sentence case like that... isn't much of a town tell, to say the least.

Bullzeye wrote:

leetic wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

leetic wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I'll also *Vote Quin*, at least for now. I might change my mind while I'm catching up. I definitely think there's a chance at least one of Silver and Ika were bad, and how Quin flips would colour my opinion of a few other people.

Alright, this is a fair enough reason to vote, even if it still isn’t fair to Quin.

I've been lynched for reasons waaaaay less fair than that many times. I do feel sorry for Quin, he replaced into a crappy situation. But it was going to happen eventually anyway, I'm sure. I also don't think it's the people who lynched Quin that owe him the apology.

Who does owe him an apology then, Silver?

If she hadn't dropped out, Quin wouldn't have been in that situation. When someone is suspected, the suspicion shouldn't die just because they get replaced. I don't necessarily think anyone owes anyone an apology tbh, that's how this game is played and if we all sat around apologising every time a civ died we'd never get anywhere. Yes it's bad he died and I regret voting for a civ but I just don't agree that it was unfair to lynch Quin.

This is a questionable statement, as it can read "Just because an easy mislynch target subs out doesn't mean I can easily mislynch them."

So if you think someone is bad, and then that person gets replaced, do you just stop suspecting them? That doesn't make any sense to me.

You generally forget the actions of the player who subbed out, as in many of the cases those people who sub out do so for a lack of motivation, and people who lack motivation tend to make mistakes. Also, funny how many of the people who voted Quin townread Epignosis, when ika was arguably scummier than Silver.

a2thezebra wrote:

leetic wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:With that said, I think we should consider a policy lynch of Dizzy by Day 3, if not for Day 2, if he doesn't show up or get replaced.

I will not consider that under any circumstances and if anyone else does I will actively fight it.

Agreed. What's with MP and policy lynching? I'm throwing a vote down for that, plus his interactions with the wolves. My wallpost won't be as long as I anticipated it, since I realized ika's replacement died, but I will address MP and one or two others.

Why are you throwing a vote down for that (granted you mention another reason as well, but still) if it's something you think he does in general rather than a mafia-motivated tactic in this particular game? Wouldn't that be...a policy lynch?

It's something I've noticed him doing quite a bit in-game. I don't use past games for reference.

a2thezebra wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:With that said, I think we should consider a policy lynch of Dizzy by Day 3, if not for Day 2, if he doesn't show up or get replaced.

I will not consider that under any circumstances and if anyone else does I will actively fight it.

Agreed. What's with MP and policy lynching? I'm throwing a vote down for that, plus his interactions with the wolves. My wallpost won't be as long as I anticipated it, since I realized ika's replacement died, but I will address MP and one or two others.

Bullzeye wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

leetic wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I'll also *Vote Quin*, at least for now. I might change my mind while I'm catching up. I definitely think there's a chance at least one of Silver and Ika were bad, and how Quin flips would colour my opinion of a few other people.

Alright, this is a fair enough reason to vote, even if it still isn’t fair to Quin.

I've been lynched for reasons waaaaay less fair than that many times. I do feel sorry for Quin, he replaced into a crappy situation. But it was going to happen eventually anyway, I'm sure. I also don't think it's the people who lynched Quin that owe him the apology.

Who does owe him an apology then, Silver?

If she hadn't dropped out, Quin wouldn't have been in that situation. When someone is suspected, the suspicion shouldn't die just because they get replaced. I don't necessarily think anyone owes anyone an apology tbh, that's how this game is played and if we all sat around apologising every time a civ died we'd never get anywhere. Yes it's bad he died and I regret voting for a civ but I just don't agree that it was unfair to lynch Quin.

This is a questionable statement, as it can read "Just because an easy mislynch target subs out doesn't mean I can easily mislynch them."

Alright guys! You waited for it, now you got it! Here’s my first wallpost. Some of the votes got ridiculous in the latter parts of the phase. Nonetheless, there were a few questionable early phase votes as well. Thus, I feel this would be an excellent topic for my wallpost. So, without any more fluff, let’s go! Starting with the late phase votes of course.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm voting leetie to tie it up.

Okay, what. To provide some context, at that point Quin, Serge, and sig all had two votes, and I had one. So why would you use a vote for that purpose? It’s clearly not self-preservation as shown by the fact that he wasn't voted for at that point. So was it to preserve a scum partner? It’s possible (given that ties are decided randomly, so there would be less chance of sig/Serge getting lynched), but wouldn’t it be better to just hop on to Quin’s wagon and lynch her? Or maybe he saw me as a threat and wanted a chance to lynch me… In any case, the seemingly random and poorly justified vote is certainly scummy.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm voting Silverquin. Sorry Quin, but I just can't get over Silver's behavior from earlier in the game before she exploded.

Okay, let me get this out of the way first. Why did you guys lynch Quin? I get that Silver was scummy, but it’s no fun having to answer for someone else’s mistakes. You guys should all apologize to Quin.

...Anyway, I’ll explain this vote better when I move onto Silverwolf’s interactions - Silverwolf interacted a lot with MP. Just keep this vote in mind.

Bullzeye wrote:I'll also *Vote Quin*, at least for now. I might change my mind while I'm catching up. I definitely think there's a chance at least one of Silver and Ika were bad, and how Quin flips would colour my opinion of a few other people.

Alright, this is a fair enough reason to vote, even if it still isn’t fair to Quin.

DrWilgy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Yo MP!

What caused your townread on leetic? What caused your townread on Ikanosis?

Actually it was mostly the conversation that leetic and Epi had regarding policy lynches; they both seemed genuinely interested in town's best interests with their viewpoints. It's tentative though and heavily gut-based until I have voting data and such.

Thanks, I'm torn between voting Quin for the points I raised earlier with Silver and giving Quin another chance. (I just realized that I don't like killing those who sub in. I wonder why?)

Quin, could you resolve this for me?

...Okay. Why the hell would you ask Quin that? She’d obviously say that she wouldn’t want to be lynched (and in fact had said that previously) and this post just feels like an excuse not to vote.

DrWilgy wrote:Guess I'm voting Quin.

...Although he did end up voting Quin. He changed his opinion in light of the fact that there was very little time left in the phase (keep in mind Quin made no posts between these two). So why the above post? Maybe he wanted to present the illusion of giving Quin a chance, but was hasty after there was little time. DrWilgy is looking scummy.

agleaminranks wrote:I don't know if I feel comfortable voting Quin. I didn't feel incredibly pinged by what I could read of Silverwolf's defensiveness. It sounded more character oriented than role.

Voting leetic.

The very last vote, and it of course is not justified. Gleam used me as a case against MP, but never made a case against me in particular. So why did he vote me? Sure, there was very little time left in the phase, but still, he could’ve easily given one or two sentences of justification. Both people who voted me in late D1 look scummy. Coincidence? I think not!

And moving on to some of the older votes:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, and glad to be playing with new folks (Goldy, leetic) too! Definitely don't want to leave that out.

I forgot about this too. There's a few people in this game I haven't played with yet, so lets make this a good'un.

Uhh, ill be home in an hour or so. Stay tuned. Or don't. Either way, checking the thread so far hasn't really brought anything significant to my attention but I'll have another go when I'm at a computer and can actually read the screen properly.

Here, have a vote.

Vote Quin.

This seems like a bit of a joke vote. What’s suspect about it is that was kept for the entire phase. And yes he was clearly here in the later part of the phase so there was no excuse for him not to change it.

Another thing that’s interesting about MM is that he quickly goes from this…

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:@Leetic I feel your pain four pages and only day 0, though I helped that lol.

I don't like how serious we're getting so soon, but it seems we've left the happy shiny fluff platform and are on the train headed to the valley of lynching,


I've got a gut civ lean on SW and pings on Ika/MP. Seeing how both players acted in the scrimmage as mafia I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing the same thing here. So I'm watching them both.

I'm the other way around on ika and Silverwolf. Slight scumread on Silver and townread on ika.

To this…

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I just realized... There's no cop in this game.

Sorry leetic, I lied.

Yo MM, got any reads or thoughts for me (and the thread)?

Yes, Silverwolf is scum.

How about them apples?

And by extension to this…

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Vote ɟloʍɹǝʌlᴉS

I mean, he only has one post between slightly scumreading Silver, to thinking Silver is confirmed scum. And it doesn’t even mention Silver! Is he always this fickle?

Y finalmente, the last person to vote Quin!

sig wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:Points of interest - pardon me for not drawing quotes, I can't be assed with that right now.

There's some fluff conversation between sig and wilgy early on. Wilgy joking about being scum isn't surprising, but I haven't seen that sort of thing from sig before. ika (Epi) picked up on sig too, but his reasoning just comes down to guts so it's credibility is something to be desired. Although, if sig ever flipped bad I think that would favour Epi somewhat.


Placing a resting vote on sig, because why not.

This all goes up to about page 5, but I've got to stop for a minute. I'll come back.

NO U
Quin

On a more serious note, I've joked around about being bad before. It was very early day 0 fluff there was no meaning behind it what so ever. I find it strange you're trying to give it a meaning when it was clearly fluffyness.

Is this a serious accusation? Or just bullshit NO U voted me, I'm voting you?

It's hard to tell since you guys, girls (some gender neutral nonsense here) just throw your votes around like their meaningless.

Semi serious, I doubt I'll leave it on Quin, but him picking at my fluff is pingy.

Well, you did end up leaving it on Quin.

That aside, yes that vote did feel like an OMGUS. Quin’s accusations were valid, and sig only answered them by voting.

sig wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I'm voting sig. I didn't like her no u post.

I'd have moved my vote if Quin had answered my point, but he hasn't yet. Why though are you voting for me based on that, but never reneged me or mentioned me until this post?

*sigh* Quin kinda did answer your point. In the post you quoted. Also, his interactions with rabbit past that point feel OMGUSy.

As a side note, Dyslexicon has not made any game related posts so far, can someone get him to show up?

Anyway. Th-th-th-that’s all folks! Well, for Wallpost #1 anyway. ‘Coz I’ve got an even bigger one coming up, and it’s gonna be about Silverwolf’s interactions with other people. So stay tuned as I brew myself a cup of Earl Grey as I mentally prepare myself for such an undertaking.

Ugh... I have so much to say after that lynch, it's annoying having to wait 24 hours to say it!

I'll split the bulk of it between two wallposts. The first one being about the voting shenanigans that occurred in late D1, and the second one being about Silverwolf and how others interacted with her.

Stay tuned my fans!

insertnamehere wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I don't know all the new hip terms, what is Prodgy?

Short for "prodigy," it means someone is acting smart.

Prod - when a mod contacts a player, usually about inactivity

Dodge - to evade

Prodge - Prod Dodge. Post meaningless stuff so that you can't be considered inactive.

Prodgy - adjective form of Prodge

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:So you think serge is bad, and you think leetic is bad for not wanting to lynch him, and your answer is to lynch leetic?

Why wouldn't you just lynch serge first, and if he comes up bad, lynch leetic the next day? I don't really see the logic here. Plus, I haven't seen enough to make me say leetic is acting scummy anyway.

The man wants information, yet he considers the direction our conversation has taken to be a waste of this Day 1 phase. I now find leetic more suspicious than someone who isn't even here.

Speak of the devil.

Just arguing with you, and not scumhunting or forming reads, is certainly a waste. That argument was hogging up most of the discussion, so I wanted the thread to go back on track.

Epignosis wrote:

Serge wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Serge wrote:Day 2, Epignosis, is when my game starts.

Why?

Serge wrote:I think I've said this before but day 1 is usually hazy for me. I think I said this on Turf Wars, it's the truth. If you believe me then we'll be able to make Mafia great again.

You've made a comment on bad players.

So let me give you some advice:

Good players get shit going Day 1. They don't sit back and protest Day 1. If you are good, Day 1 is a blessing, not a curse. It means the civilians get to have the first crack. Use it.

...Says the guy who wanted us to lynch a player with no content and potentially wasting a day phase, not giving us a good start.

Serge wrote:I think leetic is right: it's better to not focus on low posters as they'll get replaced anyway. No self-respecting scum will win by being AWOL and by manufacturing reasons, they have to win it.

Is Quin ika's replacement? Or is it leetic?

Are you hiding behind my defense of you?

Serge wrote:I think I've said this before but day 1 is usually hazy for me. I think I said this on Turf Wars, it's the truth. If you believe me then we'll be able to make Mafia great again.

All of your posts seem prodgy to me, all they are for is to give excuses to why you're not participating. I mean, just because you do not feel that you are good on D1 doesn't mean that you can't try. I mean, come on, give us some reads, scumhunt, just try to do something.

Now that Serge has arrived, most of his posts are just fluff and as I have stated excuses for not participating. So yeah, he does look scummy.

You know what? Vote: Serge

This may seem hypocritical based on my previous posts, but...

1. He's actually posted, and while he hasn't posted anything meaningful yet, he has at least posted enough for me to be able to make a decent case against him, so it's not a complete shot in the dark. I feel I have the right to change my opinions in light of new information.

2. If he flips town, we have two people (Epignosis and INH) who we can investigate in D2. So we have something to go off of.

3. Let's give Quin a chance. I mean, yeah Silver was scummy, and yeah there'd be a lot to go on after the flip. However, I've been in Quin's position before. Believe me, it's not fun to sub in for a player that's considered scummy, and enter the game with everyone trying to lynch you and being forced to answer for someone else's mistakes. So, any further cases I make against the slot, will be made based on Quin's behavior alone.

insertnamehere wrote:leetic, do you have a specific active player that you want to lynch today, or do you just disagree with Epig on theory alone?

Not really a specific one. I currently have a vote on Silver's replacement, and Silver was not only scummy but if she flipped town there would be a lot of goodies to go off of since everyone (well, except for Serge that is) talked about her. If a better lynch arises, I'd be willing to go for it, but for now I think Silver is a decent lynch.

Epignosis wrote:I don't agree with you. The kind of "information" you propose to gain by lynching somebody who is actually around is easily manipulated and for that reason generally useless. You call it information. I call it potential misinformation.

I am not suggesting a random dart throw. Serge is not random. Serge was deliberately selected.

You propose lynching an active player who might be good just so we have something to talk about Day 2. No thanks.

It makes it easier to read people if one person is confirmed town. Furthermore, Serge is for all purposes a random dart throw since he has no game related posts and nothing to go off of. But we should drop this discussion, since we're only wasting the day phase and that's the very thing I want to prevent.

[quote="Epignosis"]

*PARAPHRASED FROM QUOTE PYRAMID* We take a chance[quote]

That's high risk, decent reward thinking. So if we do the minimal effort to catch scum, we might land. And if we don't? We waste a day phase.

There are ways to catch scum that a. aren't just throwing a dart at someone randomly and hoping you hit scum and b. are less likely to waste a day phase.

rabbit8 wrote:

leetic wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:Yeah, that does seem a little like prodging to me. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a lynch on him, but still I'd like to lynch someone who'd give us a little more information. How much information does lynching an inactive player give if they flip town? Not much.

I don't lynch for information. I lynch to win.

'Xcept it's D1, and the best D1 lynch is one that gives the town information and puts them on track in the next phases.

Err, anyone we lynch will give us information if the role is revealed.... even a low poster.

If said person is a good then we can look at who wanted low posters lynched as info...

What info do you get when you lynch an active player on day 1 and they are town? Exactly the same as a low poster, IMO.

An active player would have more content, and likely have more interactions with other players. Information then can be deduced from there.

Contrast that to Serge, who has made only two non-game-related posts. Sure, other people criticize him, but it's only for being inactive, and people on both factions make that argument. I guess it would be a slight scumtell for those who lynched him, but from an active player you can glean so much more. In my opinion, anyway.

Draconus wrote: Participation
The following behavior constitutes non-participation:

- If you do not post for more than 96 consecutive hours.
- If you do not cast a vote in 2 or more lynches.

Therefore unless he prodges Serge will be subbed out soon.

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

leetic wrote:Yeah, that does seem a little like prodging to me. I guess I wouldn't be opposed to a lynch on him, but still I'd like to lynch someone who'd give us a little more information. How much information does lynching an inactive player give if they flip town? Not much.

I don't lynch for information. I lynch to win.

'Xcept it's D1, and the best D1 lynch is one that gives the town information and puts them on track in the next phases.

How much information would lynching you provide?

Well, depends on who's on my wagon, and who's opposed.

Also, inactive people usually get subbed out - no use lynching them now.

Well, we've learned you're opposed to lynching Serge even if he's bad. Thanks for that.

How the hell do we know he's bad if there's no information to indict him?