The Syndicate

@Golden - honestly i feel like unspoiled edgic has so many flaws. i've been using this person's charts to follow along (http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/118 ... 5PmwZOAOkp) that seem to make more sense (for example, they gave sandra that CPP that she deserved), but the first time i tried to paste one in it didn't work

i think part of the reason pearl islands underrepresented is maybe the fact that all-stars came immediately after? and by the time they got more returning players (micro, HvV), they tended to look for those post-all stars so i think they got shafted. burton, lillian, christa, shawn, and jon (for a real second season even though probst hates him) would all be amazing returnee candidates imo.

ok everyone!!!! i just finished pearl islands! and to no surprise - i totally loved it! it's honestly everything anyone could want in a survivor season - amazing characters, good strategy, an exciting post merge and pre merge, and although i don't think that the outcast twist should ever be used again, it totally worked out perfectly in this season!! AND!! DRAKE is a top 5 all time tribe.

here are my overall thoughts!
SEASON 7: PEARL ISLANDS

cast ranking:
note: i would say even 13th, 14th place on this ranking could be top half in another season's ranking. there were seriously only two people i had mostly negative feelings on, and everyone else delivered. i even have positive feelings to some of the more UTR cast members (michelle, darrah) because they allowed STARS to have more air time ok here is the ranking:

sandra - GOD i love her <3 i feel like it's almost so obvious that sandra is amazing that i don't have lots to add?? she's a lippy mom who's terrible at challenges and isn't afraid to get loud, but ALSO happens to be the only 2 time winner and was only 1 vote away from a totally perfect game in this season (damn it tijuana!!) i also feel like sandra (even though i think she's the best and she's won twice) is still kind of underrated?? i feel like her "as long as it ain't me" strategy deserves even more praise - it takes a lot to seriously just be like "yeah whoever i'll vote them off even if they're my friend."

lillian - omg i want her to return <3 even though i doubt she will considering she was a total trainwreck by the time it went to the final 5

burton - i want him to return too!!! he really did a great job of being like the villain douche archetype i guess (along with shawn) and it doesn't hurt that he's like a top 10 hottest survivor male ever!

christa - i want her to return too !!! <3 omg i love her voice and the fact that she was given a positive edit even though it seemed like everyone besides rupert/sandra could NOT stand her. also after reading about the cast apparently she was found on craigslist looking for a "meth bong" (whatever that is?) so lol

jon - obviously ICONIC! although the grandmother lie seems oddly not that bad now lol but obviously it was back in the day. however, he got kind of tedious in the last 2 episodes (minus the amazing FIC with lill)

rupert - i actually liked rupert a lot more in this season than i anticipated, because i honestly didn't care for him much in his later seasons, although he's obviously one of the top 5? most recognizable survivors of all time. however, like jon, he would have been a lot higher, but i started to tire of him in his last couple episodes and i think it was good that he got voted off when he did.

ryan o. - one of the least present people post merge but i always really liked his relatively little screentime - i thought his thing with the pelican was cute <3 i'm not sure why he's this high just a fun UTR presence !

shawn - such a douche <3 i honestly love the "survivor douche guy that no one likes/takes seriously" archetype (see also: drew christy)

darrah - honestly although darrah was EXTREMELY utr (probably because she was... really hard to understand lol) i still feel like she had some good moments ("jon lies but... he tells the truth too"; the fact that she/her boyfriend didn't seem to know each other at all). also lol at the blatant rigging in the f4 immunity challenge because you know they didn't want this boring person to win in a cast full of stars lol

tijuana - after an AMAZING premiere episode, she faded into the background to be a savage sidekick (ugh) and then ruined sandra's perfect game, and in other seasons she could still make top half, but this is pearl islands and honestly i still really like her!

osten - what a trainwreck <3 however he annoyed me in the first couple episodes but i liked how much he pissed off probst lol

trish - her random CPN boot episode and the lesbian shopkeeper enamored with her in the first episode <3

michelle - she was randomly pretty good in the outcast episode, but other than that she left no real impression on me

nicole - honestly i didn't have the strongest feelings towards her either!

ryan s. - kinda pathetic honestly, and for some reason during the outcast episode/fallen comrades they always showed this gross clip of him with a lot of snot and it was gross!

andrew - probably really only the castaway that i have strong negative feelings on. so smug/entitled and just someone i just know i would NEVER get along with in real life. however probs to him to getting totally owned in epic ways in 2 seasons <3

and,
SEASONS RANKING!

(this will be no surprise)
1. PEARL ISLANDS

2. THE AMAZON
3. BORNEO
4. THE AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK
5. MARQUESAS
6. AFRICA
7. THAILAND

this season is unlikely to leave the top spot minus 2/3 seasons that i want to leave a surprise so i won't say which ones those are!! like i said above, it has everything anyone can want from a survivor season. i was never bored, i love the cast, great winner, great final 2, etc, etc. it's honestly a perfect survivor season and i don't think it could be replicated if you did it a thousand times over. i can realistically see everyone from ryan o. and up being in my top 100, which is saying a LOT.

here is a winner ranking, which also isn't a surprise and won't have the #1 slot moved down unless idk there's another amazing cast member who wins later on but honestly i feel like that won't happen.

1. SANDRA
2. RICHARD
3. VECEPIA
4. JENNA
5. TINA
6. ETHAN
7. BRIAN

what are your guys' thoughts on PI?? any ranking or anything you disagree with?? again, i'd LOVE to talk about pearl islands because it was so amazing <3

also, i may take a little break now. i've been consistently doing a season a week but i think i need a break because also after this i feel like all stars shifts survivor into like a second generation? it's the end of 16 person casts, a lot more twists, etc, and also i HATED all stars so i want to reflect on pearl islands for a bit before i watch 18 castaways partially ruin their legacy (damn it, kathy!)

edit: here are some sandra gifs to add some flair to this post! we love you sandra!!

Golden wrote: When did you stop watching? it had a lean patch there for a while (15-24 was a patch where the bad seasons outnumbered the good), but since season 25 I feel like the show has been on a tear, not every season has been truly great but none of them have been terrible, so I guess that's the last four years.

:o i'm shocked you included 15-17 in this "rough patch"! i think that china-micronesia-gabon was the strongest 3-season arc in the history of the series tbh

Dom wrote:I used to be OBSESSED with this show. I wish I still watched. :/

omg you can!! you can start re-watching on the same schedule as me or something lol! besides one period it really hasn't declined in quality all that much

Golden wrote:I have a mix of the two types of season that I like. For instance, I just listened to the Evolution of Strategy for 28/29 and I found 28 (strategy-heavy) a drag to get through and realised I'm not a great fan of Cagayan, but 29 was a breeze and I really love San Juan Del Sur, so in that case its character over strategy... but on the other hand, both seasons had both. I think having some great characters (who are overall likable) is important to my enjoyment of a season, but so is having some good strategy.

i totally agree with this golden!! actually, i watched those seasons before i really started looking at sucks/rhap any sort of stuff, and i was actually shocked to see that people rated cagayan as a top 5 season, and people trashed SJDS! cagayan started off so strong but then seriously turned boring i thought after the sarah episode, whereas SJDS had a boring pre-merge (minus the drew christy ep), but an AMAZING post-merge.

also, i try not to judge seasons based on who wins/makes it to the end, but it doesn't hurt that natalie/jaclyn are the best final 2 we've had since HvV i think.

so excited for pearl islands!

@ golden, it's funny you bring up the edgic thing, because honestly, i feel like Matt deserves to be more M than P, and that Joanna deserved an N, which just makes it more negative lol.
also, i feel like there are people lots more unlikable than heidi/jenna who exerted control - colton/boston rob come to mind but that could just be me haha

@ scotty, shirin was a lovable and relatable underdog who definitely deserved a second chance due to her circumstances in WA, and then kinda sucked in cambodia but she was gone so fast it didn't really change my overall opinion of her - just one of the many people who were subjected to abi's reign of terror lol. spencer was an underdog, but i didn't find him lovable at all. he was such a dull, unfunny person, and it was odd that a "superfan" seemed so completely miserable out there, even from day 1. his edit was unbearably big, especially in cambodia, where he had this HUGE "redemption arc" about building relationships only to be completely destroyed 10-0-0, and the whole thing just seemed so dumb to me because there was no point giving him that edit if he didn't even win

just finished amazon!!!! and wow!!
here are my thoughts -

SEASON 6: THE AMAZON

I just still cannot believe that is how they edited their winner!!! An OTTN in the penultimate episode! lmao. I wasnt a fan at the time this was airing (considering i was like 6 years old lmao) - was there a lot of backlash to this?

cast ranking:
deena - AMAZING. normally i would find her string of CPs to be exhausting but i was HERE for her total pro-woman stance. her performance in the roger boot episode was amazing. side note: roger's boot episode may be one of the funniest and best episodes of all time. she NEEDS to return!

heidi - she also NEEDS to return! i actually read that her actions at FTC were to try to make jenna say deena as well, but still lol. also how random is it that she's a gym teacher?

christy - <3 ALSO! needs to return. i feel like part of the reason jenna was edited negatively was because she and christy obviously didn't get along, and there was no way the editors weren't going to edit christy positively, even though she was clearly annoying lol

rob - he was kinda annoying at the beginning with some of the stuff he said, and i actually prefer him for his gameplay instead of his character (which is odd because i never say that). seriously changed the game!

jenna - most negative winner ever? lol. honestly did production not think she won? or what? but even after she wanted to quit she somehow immunity beasted and won in the biggest landslide in survivor history!! (at this point).

joanna - actual crazy person lol. when she yelled at christy "getting in her face" when i think christy was just trying to see her face, because, you know, she needs to read lips to understand what people are saying? her keeping everyone awake by shouting hymns <3

matt - "he's... cweepy" - christy

shawna - literally dying in one episode to miraculously being revived due to men <3 so thirsty.

jeanne - idk i always thought she was randomly funny with all the side eye she was giving

butch - burning down the camp due to being crazy about firewood <3. however, he was a roger ally so ew!

daniel - don't have any strong thoughts on this person, but he seemed nice and i loved how he was so pissed about getting voted out before ROGER

janet - was granola gate ever solved? someone please let me know lol. i liked how she was all "vote me out i don't care but NOT because of the granola bar!" glad she went first from jaburu tho because i cared about her the least

alex - he lasted for a long time but i don't have any strong thoughts on this person

ryan - no real opinion. memory of him kinda fuzzy, but he wanted to boot roger <3

dave - kinda annoying + roger ally

roger - last by default for being a homophobic sexist bigot, even though his boot was hilarious. it feels like the cheap way out putting him last but he sucks tho

and,
SEASONS RANKING!

1. THE AMAZON
2. BORNEO
3. THE AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK. notice: i swapped this and marquesas after struggling w/ it for the past couple rounds. ultimately, i would want to rewatch this one more once the dust has settled from both seasons
4. MARQUESAS
5. AFRICA
6. THAILAND

i'm not sure if this opinion is unpopular, although it seemed like this one generated the most criticism when i listed my top 5 earlier. however, i feel like eventually this won't be top 5, but likely 6-10. i tend to prefer character-driven seasons over strategy-heavy seasons (i don't even think cambodia will be top half), and this season was full of people that kept me entertained (deena, heidi, etc) and was actually genuinely FUNNY and made me laugh. it seemed a lot different to other seasons of survivor actually? it took itself less seriously i think, and i feel like some people may not be a fan of that but i loved it. although i would fix the editing a bit (a bit less rob maybe? more jenna/butch or something, very minor) i think it was overall very good, except i still dont know why they edited jenna like that lol. maybe she was just like that and the producers were mad they voted for her over matt.

and,
winner ranking!

1. RICHARD
2. VECEPIA
3. JENNA
4. TINA
5. ETHAN
6. BRIAN

however, something tells me this ranking will all get shifted downward very soon

what are your thoughts?? would love to discuss a bit about amazon

another AMAZON update:

they need to bring joint confessionals back!!!
imagine, like, an abi and woo joint confessional or something lol



edit: shoot this screencap doesn't seem to work but it's a picture of jenna and heidi talking about how roger sucks <3

editx2: http://imgur.com/3wtGiqG here is the imgur link i love the glee in heidi's face

currently in the first few episodes of survivor amazon and it is amazing how much better the female cast is to the men's.

heidi, deena, christy are all people who i would LOVE to be invited back, and even the less relevant girls are bringing it.

i agree with your ranking a lot golden!! honestly the first four seasons are all very close to me in quality, and i feel like once i'm done with this thing they'll all be around the 9-15 range or so. i wavered back and forth on my australia/marquesas ranking, and i feel like whichever one places higher could change again just with one rewatch

EDIT: ugh i'm at work (but not actually working) and really considering switching the two. i'm thinking about the scene where rodger tells tina/colby to vote him out instead of elisabeth and <3 they are so cute!!

ok! after MARATHONING this season this weekend i actually somehow managed to finish
SURVIVOR: THAILAND!
as most people would agree, this season was...not good lol, but here is my ranking!

SEASON 5: THAILAND

again, unspoiled edgic must still be working out their kinks. i mean UTRP3? that isn't a thing anymore lol.

cast ranking:
note: i actually wavered for so long on my top 2. i feel like they actually could easily switch. however i picked the one i guess i related to the most. also note: this person is not anywhere near the levels of my top of the other seasons lol. i honestly won't have as much to say on this as marquesas because i don't care as much :/

shii ann - mess with the shii devil get the horns!! i hated how the rest of sook jai was so mean to her looking at YOU, erin

clay - the original goat? except he actually was only 1 vote away because brian was horrendous at FTC. basically, clay brought some laughs in a show that desperately needed it, and that was enough to bring him to #2 for thailand.

jan - also provided laughs and was just a positive presence, also needed since the rest of the cast was so fucking boring/dire lol.

robb - his 5 episode redemption arc <3 such a weirdo but actually a nice person

ghandia - it's actually kind of amazing how she totally fucked up that first challenge and didn't get voted off! the whole grindgate incident was handled so poorly, and i definitely believe ghandia. the whole situation was just gross ugh.

penny - lol at her being INVISIBLE in the early pre-merge only for it to turn out that half of her tribe fucking hated her even though it seemed like all she did was just...be pleasant and sociable? lol.

helen - helen seemed nice, but ugh her whole being one of brian's mindless minions really turned me off of her by the end :/

tanya - sad she got sick :/

jake - i don't really care about this person, but he was really nice to shii ann.

stephanie - i don't really care about this person, but she brought 1/2 funny moments.

jed - i don't really care about this person

ken - i don't really care about this person

erin - i don't really care about this person, but she was MEAN to shii ann :/

john - thank god he was voted off first lol. apparently he's super homophobic as well according to some facebook posts so let's be glad he was gone soon because he was super annoying in his 1 episode.

ted - one of brian's annoying pals and also his antics in grindgate were seriously disgusting.

brian - one of my least favorite winners of all time. he was 1) offensively boring 2) sexist 3) a sociopath. watching him interact with other people was so odd because it never felt natural to me. it always seemed so forced and it was just weird. and then of course he had to have MULTIPLE confessionals on "isn't it nice how the men chill while the women cook and clean? like the good old days" or whatever. and then he FLOPPED hardcore on jury questions because he obviously didn't care about anyone but yet still won :/

and,
SEASONS RANKING!

1. BORNEO
2. MARQUESAS
3. THE AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK
4. AFRICA
5. THAILAND
no surprise here. there's a large gap between 4 and 5 as well. it's well known that this is considered the first actually bad season of survivor, and the people are right! the pre-merge had some moments but i would say that the post-merge episodes is one of the most boring strings of episodes in the history of all of survivor. in one episode, the subplot is literally about ted taking a boat ride. i don't really think i have any desire to rewatch any of this season again - the shii ann/clay/jan/ghandia/robb moments aren't worth it. the end game also soured me on many characters (namely, helen and jan) who were completely duped and discarded by brian after 38+ days with absolutely no warning, and yet still went on to vote for him. also, after some ~research~ into ted's question, apparently helen spread a rumor that clay was racist, that was also apparently not true??? and now she regrets voting for brian. fuck that!

winner rating (based on preference)
1. RICHARD
2. VECEPIA
3. TINA
4. ETHAN
5. BRIAN
also no surprise. brian was extremely boring, with flashes of ickiness. if you want to see what it's like watching a legit sociopath play survivor, this is the season for you i guess.

ok ever since the fake-merge happened in thailand it became SO BORING!!!! it's such a drain. it's crazy how overall out of all of the cast, i probably don't care about at least half of them.

hopefully i will finish it tonight and put my ranking up, but while you guys wait with bated breath, here is the best moment of the entire season:

insertnamehere wrote:

tin man wrote:i've been trying to watch a season a week but i was really busy this week and now i'm only on episode 3. hopefully i will be done soon lol.
thailand pre-merge isn't that bad actually, the attack zone was amazing

just got to grindgate and it's just very uncomfortable though

ATTACK ZONE!

Say what you will about the rest of the season, but I'll always defend Robb Zebacnik.

attack zone was funny lmfao but i actually liked stephanie's role in it more than robb's. she literally pulled ted off the zone when she was already in the water lol

i've been trying to watch a season a week but i was really busy this week and now i'm only on episode 3. hopefully i will be done soon lol.
thailand pre-merge isn't that bad actually, the attack zone was amazing

just got to grindgate and it's just very uncomfortable though

Golden wrote:im glad shirin and not spencer went. I actually enjoyed the fact that spencer basically had to play from the bottom the whole game for a second time. Besides, shirin was kind of cocky the second time around and spencer, oddly enough, wasn't so much.

Tbird instead of Monica for sure. Kelley was great, though. I'd sooner have lost abi.

Overall, though, Cambodia is one of my favourites so I'll take it how it was.

i definitely thought spencer was cocky the second time though? mainly in the finale i guess but it was still there. also he took up SO MUCH SCREENTIME that should have gone to other people - that was my main issue with cambodia in general.

abi was like my favorite of cambodia haha

Golden wrote:Can't believe T-Bird still hasn't come back, though.

just think that she had an opportunity to come back, but instead we voted for monica and kelley instead. MESSED up

also just think about how much better cambodia would have been if they voted out spencer instead of shirin in ep2 or even spencer out instead of woo after the second swap
i love woo <3

insertnamehere wrote:

tin man wrote:update: changed my sig to one of the best moments in survivor history

That's pretty good, but I would've gone with Changa:

haha i actually did have a sandra gif as my sig for 2 seconds but it didn't work (it was the "i can get loud too what the fuck" moment) and i decided i wanted something that was very horizontal and then i found this image and went with that

update: changed my sig to one of the best moments in survivor history

Golden wrote:Big Tom and Lex were great choices in allies. Both of them were all about loyalty, and they each would have stabbed the other before stabbing Ethan.

yes but their personalities were so awful and that's what i care about more lol

i think i will start thailand tonight. i want to skip it but i want to be able to say i watched them all in a row so i must push on! i'll do it for shii ann.

insertnamehere wrote: Sean is maybe my top dream returnee? The fact that he hasn't come back even though he's reportedly up for it is a shame.

I have a bit more of a spot in my heart for Gabriel, mainly because he represents Mark Brunette's original idea of the show, everyone working together and creating a new society, being snuffed out in the most pathetic way possible. Plus the dude himself has been through a lot of shit, and the fact that he made it through that and managed to be on Survivor, and has gone on to be maybe one of the nicest ex-Survivors in real life, makes me really respect him.

I agree 100% with your season ranking, but I'd have Vecepia at the bottom of the winners ranking. Yes, I feel like she's underrated and a lot more entertaining than people expect, but Tina and Ethan are both people I see as Survivor icons and symbols.

seriously sean would have been a perfect choice for all-stars! i have no idea why they didn't bring him back, especially because they chose boston rob over him..like come on :/

idk i really didn't care for ethan that much and tina was just ok for me...my favorite tina is b vs w tina i think. and vecepia had great taste in allies...whereas ethan was...really close to big tom and lex so yikes haha

and...
seasons ranking!

1. BORNEO. still iconic and the only season thus far that doesn't have a boring part (AO/Africa postmerge Marquesas pre-swap)
2. MARQUESAS
3. THE AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK
4. AFRICA

however, i will note that i think that AO/Africa will end up being higher than most people's overall because i really did like them, i just liked the other two more lol
i'd say that there is a gap between Borneo and the others, and a gap between africa and the others, with AO/marq being pretty close and i feel like if i ended up watching some episode of AO (with jerri in) i might even switch it back so these 2 will probably even end up fairly close once i get to 32

i REALLY thought i was actually going to put marquesas last before the swap, and then was fairly sure i was going to put it 3rd until around the john boot, but seriously at the merge it just takes off and doesn't really stop.

also, winners ranking (in terms of PREFERENCE, not strategy)
1. RICHARD
2. VECEPIA
3. TINA
4. ETHAN

now on to... thailand but after is amazon/PI so just have to get through this 1

update: finished marquesas i was really liking it by the end - after the last 2 seasons with an amazing pre-merge and a so-so/bad post-merge this season had the opposite, and after rob was voted off i really was digging it.

so... here is my ranking!
SEASON 4: MARQUESAS

ok this is the official unspoiled edgic but it still has so many problems. like how is vecepia UTR overall? i am in love with zoe's edgic though

cast ranking: (with SOME gifs because half the ones i had didn't work)
i struggled so long to decide between my top 2 but after thinking about it for a bit i am at peace with it.

sean - my first male #1! i loved sean! he was such an interesting and funny presence, and he's more difficult to write about because he doesnt have any specific ~moments~ but just as a person he was super compelling, and it was awesome for a show like survivor in 2002 to talk about racial issues!

kathy - omg having her this high makes me even sadder because then i remember all stars kathy kathy is super fascinating to watch in this season, and she was the reason that i found rob tolerable for one episode (their dinner lol). her conversation with zoe and rob where she freaks out and she's like "they're all lying to me!" was iconic.

vecepia - i was not expecting to appreciate her as much because i didn't have the fondest memories of her and most people label her as a boring winner, but i thought she was super fun to watch! she's not the most visible person, but that's fine! I loved how she would stir up drama and then say how she didn't want to be involved in the drama.


john - watching his rise and fall was super amazing to watch, and clearly one of the most iconic moments in survivor history

neleh - oh my heck!! i loved her constant MORP2/MORP3 morph into her OTTN5 breakout episode lmao. she's been campaigning so much to be on again with john and they both seriously deserve it! SEASON 34 CAST SPOILERS also, why did people say she rode coattails? maybe pre-merge but to be fair she went to 2 pre-merge tribal councils and both votes were unanimous. it felt to me that she had to almost PRY paschal to stop being dumb and flip, and yet people will say she rode his coattails

sarah - i've already posted some about her but i loved how she seemed so unaware of like everyone else hating her. saying good luck to gina even though gina clearly could not stand her and trashed her at every opportunity.

zoe - "WELL, I HAVE A WORK HARD PLAY HARD ATTITUDE, AND I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD BE SITTING THERE UP IN THAT SEAT. I FEEL I WORKED REALLY HARD OUT THERE AND I PLAYED HARD WITH THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO PLAY. BUT IM NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT LIES.... AND... AND DECEPTION... BECAUSE I WAS THERE TOO. WE *ALL* WERE THERE. BASICALLY, I BELIEVE BOTH OF YOU HAVE GOOD HEARTS... AND YOU MADE IT. TO THIS SPOT, THAT ALL OF US WANTED TO BE AT. SO CONGRAGULATIONS THERE AND... THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY."

gina - lol she was edited so positively but actually seemed so stank and grouchy the whole time? that circled back into me thinking it was funny so it goes here

robert - robert was really not visible, probably the least of all the people post-merge? but he still managed to be relatively funny

tammy - these two gifs sum her up so perfectly. providing more side-eye than gina even. i can totally see how zoe didn't like her eyes/presentation


peter - a fairly ok first boot. don't care about him

hunter - also didn't really care about him lol but i liked him more than boston rob but i liked the people boston rob was aligned with more i guess?

patricia - although i typically like most old lady pre-merge boots (minus DIANE) like sonja, mad dog, she wasn't as fun and just sort of stank the whole time. lol no wonder i didn't like pre-merge marquesas with patricia gina and tammy being so grouchy lol

gabriel - his whole thing about building the society and not wanting to play is so obnoxious. not here for it!

rob - people say boston rob's best season is marquesas, which is true.... however he is still almost last. he's just suuuuuch a douche and i literally only liked him in his last ep, but that was more because of kathy and zoe. i hated his whole gay stuff with john also, like he wasn't rudy who was 72 and stuff he was just being a douche. like that one scene where rob was like "hey are you gay? just checking" to john was just not funny at all. how did someone so UTRfun like amber end up with such an annoying person ugh i hate boston rob good thing he's VERY present in THREE OTHER SEASONS god

paschal - RACIST!!! RODGER BINGHAM HE IS NOT!!
"I will not! align myself with people like Sean and Vee."
"It's so important to me to make sure someone like Sean doesn't make it to the finals"
"Both Vecepia and Sean...they've both just basically been skating the entire time, duping people "
"Kathy's...she's you know, from Vermont. I'm from Georgia. And Sean's...well, he's from Harlem. This thing runs deeper than a game."
like jeeeeeeeez
edit: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/da-d ... sex/nQgm3/ ewwww wtf he's like 70

liking this season a lot now!! i actually liked rob in his boot episode for once lol and now i hate paschal because he's racist and weird. rodger and elisabeth >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (x infinity) neleh and paschal

also, can someone please explain to me why zoe voted for john? she is so odd lmao

update: this is one of my favorite confessional poses of all time.

in the process of marquesas and i am starting to like it a lot better the premiere was just sort of weak

in this rewatch, i realized that i really like vecepia?? i know shes pretty UTR for a winner but she's actually pretty present so far? and she's pretty funny.

also people say marquesas rob is best rob which is probs true, but i still hate him.

"sarah has a nice body. ... she paid a lot for it"
vecepia, after it looks like she got screwed by a swap: god is still good regardless!

also this season is full of random side-eye. i love how gina HATES sarah.

lol i will push on! i know it gets better but also i tend to like stuff based on how i like characters, and there isn't really anyone in marquesas that compares to THE lindsey richter.

also i love jane. but she's not close to being my favorite. nicaragua's cast <3

Scotty wrote:

tin man wrote:SMH at the lack of responses. oh well i am starting marquesas soon i've been lazy so STAY TUNED.

man you really are devouring the series. I barely have enough time to poop these days let alone rewatch a show!
marquesas is top 10 though. have fun!

so far.... i don't like it but this is the first season (besides borneo i guess) where the series actually improves post-merge instead of declines so i will stick w it! also i hate boston rob.
but i don't even have anything to look forward to because thailand is next
but THEN i have amazon/pearl islands so i will hopefully just force myself to marathon thailand so i can get to the good stuff

SMH at the lack of responses. oh well i am starting marquesas soon i've been lazy so STAY TUNED.

Quin wrote:I'm like 3 or 4 seasons behind on survivor. I used to watch it religiously but not so much now :/

My ultimate favourite survivor is Jane from Nicaragua

seriously catch up! seasons 29 and 32 are some of my favorites

jane is one of those contestants i seriously can't decide if i like her or not lol also wow nicaragua is one of the seasons i am most excited to rewatch. honestly one of the top 5 overall casts i would say.

update: i just finished SURVIVOR: AFRICA!!
this season was one of the fuzziest in my memory, and i think overall, i like it more than most people? the boot order was atrocious, but overall i think there were a LOT of really good characters.
also, i think i would have voted for KJ? honestly they were talking about her tagging along, but she did win the last 2 immunities, and like, what exactly did ethan do?

here is my ranking!
SEASON 3: AFRICA


(ok wtf i'm getting these from official edgic but some of these are just so wrong? how is frank CP overall????)

cast ranking:
lindsey - I LOVE HER!!!!! this season went downhill once she got voted off. how amazing would HER second chance be?? her winning the nature tiebreaker over carl <3 <3 "if we don't frank off tonight i'm going to KILL MYSELF"

kelly - i feel like she reminds me a lot of courtney yates honestly?? she was basically irrelevant pre-swap, but after me being mildly annoyed by lex, her out-of-the-blue confessional about how lex was annoying was SUCH a breath of fresh air and in her last 2 episodes she seriously was amazing!!! *fans self*

teresa - omg I LOVE HER!!!! what a sweetheart so robbed of second chances omg. there is NO WAY monica/kelley deserved a spot over her. also the female cast was so much better than the males for cambodia. she also showed a lot of strategic aptitude, especially considering it was only season 3? i think she could have done really well in cambodia honestly. she's honestly such an angel and i love her

silas - such a douche <3 the very first tribe swap victim!!! "flabbergasted"

frank - how is he real??? "brunch is .... what exactly?" "i have NEVER..... broken the honor of a handshake" "good for you frank!" lol. him trying to bond with his liberal tribemates by trashing liberals and talking about guns. him bonding with elephants because he couldn't talk to people <3

kim j. - robbed?? surprised that t-bird and kelly didn't vote for her one of the few older women who made it to the end who actually seemed to have a chance? i loved her arc of fucking up countless challenges for boran in the pre-merge and being ONE challenge away from being voted out to being (the most random?) challenge beast haha.

clarence - omg poor clarence </3 i really liked him and thought he was overall a funny presence. also i felt so bad for him in beangate

brandon - ugh i have such mixed feelings on him!!!!! i kind of do relate to him honestly, but HE SHOULD HAVE VOTED LEX OMG THE SEASON WOULD HAVE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER!!! i go from loving him to hating him i feel so fast. like in ep 6 when he was loyal to lindsey and then ep 7 when he randomly was like "lindsey was so annoying"

linda - lol how weird!! "did your mother ever hug you???" "we have 30 minutes to get to the challenge hurry up!! why don't one of YOU read it? (to lindsey and co as they were just waking up) adding this again

kim p. - the least relevant mallrat?? i dont have that many strong feelings on her either way

ethan - idk i never really warmed up to him </3 i am NOT a fan of the boran boys and honestly i feel like he was more carried to the end than KJ?? he is attractive though but GJ

jessie - super chapped lips, also irrelevant

carl - irrelevant and against the mallrats so whatever bye!

diane - died at the challenge but i don't feel bad for her because she treated clarence terribly and i like clarence!

tom - although i did start to warm up to him at the end, his performance in the first couple episodes are godawful and there's not that many people in this cast i actively dislike so he ends up here also why was he bitter at kim for...winning challenges in the final tribal council??

lex - god how annoying he was such a present force of negativity and thank god kim j voted him off <3

wow i really love this cast?? realistically the top 5 could easily all be in my top 100.

also:
i stumbled upon this gif and NEEDED to share.

ah just watched that ep and it seems like the main reason was that brandon didn't want to work with frank, and i guess i can see where he's coming from - i cant imagine how hard it would be to be out&proud put with some pretty homophobic people back in 2001
but lol the date was cute <3

i would post a cast ranking right now but i don't want to spoil my ~final africa ranking~ so stay tuned

also: i'm start to like big tom more (because how i hate lex more) but then i think about bean gate and then hate him again. but he surprisingly wasn't homophobic so good for him i guess

making process through africa! HOPEFULLY i will be done tomorrow or monday at the very latest.

i just had a question ~ why did brandon vote for kelly and not lex? i just watched that episode and i dont really get why he would choose to be a fifth with a pretty solid foursome

insertnamehere wrote:<3 Peih-geesus

one of my favorites <3 give her a 3rd chance (even though i doubt it will happen :/)

also just finished episode 2!
- HOW did her lips get that bad in like a week

lmao

Scotty wrote: Let's talk Coach. Is coach a good or bad player?

i personally think he is bad. he was a total joke on his first 2 seasons and tried to be serious on his 3rd (which made me lose like... most of my goodwill towards him) and he still got owned by sophie at the FTC (i love sophie btw)

100000% agree with golden/insertnamehere on this!

russell may be my least favorite survivor of all time? yes there's people worse than him as a person (colton comes to mind), but don't forget that there was a hantz on 5 separate seasons between 19-26 (and they should not have casted brandon he clearly wasn't stable enough to be on survivor)

i still don't understand why they edited samoa like they did i feel like it would be an AMAZING season if galu + natalie obviously was more visible and russell was less present/more shown to be how he really was (as he was in HvV)

i feel like samoa has the chance to change a lot for me on the rewatch because now i feel like i will be looking especially hard for hints to natalie's win (if there are any)

the only two jury decisions that i sort of disagreed on were vanuatu's and caramoan's

ok so i just wanted to quick share my thoughts on
~the survivor: africa premiere~ since i won't be able to marathon as quickly since i started work

1. imagine if this season was in HD wow :o
2. i feel like the one way i could succeed on survivor is if i got in a mall-rat like situation lol.
3. there have been 3 boran returnees and no samburu returnees. wtf

episode 1 ranking:
lindsey
frank "the american branch. it's called freedom."
silas (SOOOOOOO hot wtf)
clarence
brandon
teresa (ROBBED of cambodia thanks kelley wentworth/monica)
kim p
kelly
kim j
jessie
linda (teresa - linda is all basically interchangeable they were all not really present in the episode)
ethan
carl
lex
diane - what the fuck
tom - RACIST. i feel like in all honestly clarence was guilty, but he literally said "if i had a gun, i'd shoot you" and like... ugh.

god knowing the outcome of this season makes me sad considering the premiere i hate the boran boys and i love the mall rats <3

great that lex and tom are in my bottom three considering how far they make it, and how they make it far in all stars as well and i'll just hate them more

insertnamehere wrote:based on what you listed, I think you're gonna love Season 11 and 12, specifically 12 if you haven't seen either of those before. Any Survivor viewer who hasn't been introduced to the charms of Mr. Shane Powers, Mrs. Courtney Marit, and Mr. Judd Daughtery is one that I pity.

The only one in your top 5 that I don't completely get is Amazon. Yes, Rob C is great, but he also has some cringey moments and the whole battle of the sexes thing was done much better in Vanuatu. (Season 9) Also, I'm not a fan of how the editors portrayed the winner. In a lot of ways, Jenna is the OG Michelle from Kaoh Rong. Let me be clear, I think that Jenna is an interesting person who deserved her win, but I think that the editors made the decision to not show us that, and it hurts the season greatly.

Also, I agree that Second Chances could have been edited better, but I like it just as an all-stars season just as much if not more than Heroes Vs Villains. I'm not one of those people who's completely bored by strategy, and I loved a lot of the characters. Kass <3 Keith <3 Varner <3 Fishbach <3 Jeremy <3 Abi-Maria <3 And, what the hell, Spencer <3 (but only because he lost)

I'm excited for you to get to Seasons 5 and 8. Not because they're really good seasons, because they definitely aren't, but because of how dark, aggressive, and downright bizarre they are.

Those seasons are bad and uncomfortable in a completely different way than the "modern" bad seasons.

Also Marquesas <3

oh my gosh panama!!! that would for sure be in my top 10, maybe top 5? totally forgot to consider it when making my list! although pagongings are lame it was truly the best-case scenario for this season since casaya is a top 5 all-time tribe and la mina is terrible.
and i ~LOVE~ courtney marit. one of my random top 20 favorites along with lindsey richter.

and Spencer <3 is something i will NOT stand for!! the reason i don't appreciate cagayan as much as most people is solely due to how it becomes the spencer and tony show post-merge, and i HATED spencer in cambodia, considering how his entire storyline that took up SO much airtime (that should have been given to Keith, Kimmi, Abi-Maria (she randomly went invisible for 4 episodes around the merge), Kelly etc) was like...totally false?

WILL SIMS GOT MORE JURY VOTES THAN HIM!

Scotty wrote:

tin man wrote:

Scotty wrote:Survivor is my favorite show. I'm a huge fan- I love it like a hand like mittens.

Curious of your favorite seasons, since you're rewatching them.

I don't know about you, but usually I can predict the winner early on based on editing. But this past season blew my mind. It didn't follow its usual editing algorithm to fart out the winner, so I really liked this last season because of it.

One day bitter juries won't be as prevalent. One day.

If we ever get to it in a few years or whenever, I put in a Survivor Mafia game in the queue so look for that (it's got like 8 games ahead of it )

ooooh i will definitely check out survivor mafia actually!!! (can my role be kelly shinn or dan lembo?? <3 nicaragua <3)

I'll make you Shambo. (It's like merging shinn/lembo, eh? )

tin man wrote: if i had to do my top 5:
(in no order)
amazon
pearl islands
china
gabon
heroes vs villains

but this is all based off fuzzy memory hence the rewatch!

wow, those are all great choices! My favorite is heroes v villains, followed by pearl islands, and I loved todd's gameplay in China, and his play over jean Robert and James (poor James) makes me love to watch that season.

I gotta love Boston Rob's 4th season. It was flawless. I love watching totally manipulation from one person. Which is probably why I love Russell hantz. He played a KILLER 2/3 of what it took to win, but he had 0 going for him for the other 1/3 (social) so I'm not at all surprised of the outcome with him. Still, watching him manipulate his way through 19 and 20, where no one had seen him play, made truly exciting television.


How bout dat Africa where no one did shit because it was too hot? One world is one that stands out as a shitshow as well

i don't think it was as flawless as people said though? i'm pretty sure many people have said that if ashley made it to the end they would have voted for her? i can't remember. it think it was similar to BvW1 where literally the 3 most disliked people made it to the end.

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:The only one in your top 5 that I don't completely get is Amazon. Yes, Rob C is great, but he also has some cringey moments and the whole battle of the sexes thing was done much better in Vanuatu. (Season 9) Also, I'm not a fan of how the editors portrayed the winner. In a lot of ways, Jenna is the OG Michelle from Kaoh Rong. Let me be clear, I think that Jenna is an interesting person who deserved her win, but I think that the editors made the decision to not show us that, and it hurts the season greatly.

Agree about Amazon. I've never really gotten the love.

The season I love that other people don't is Cook Islands. Also Caramoan to some extent.

honestly i don't remember much about amazon lol but i just remember LOVING it. i'm super excited to get to the 6/7 area of my rewatch to see if it holds up to my flimsy memory. however, i am not looking forward to all-stars at ALL. it's so dark, and not even dark in an interesting way (which i think south pacific is in the finale, which i think is criminally underrated.

i also think cook islands is polarizing, and it depends what you think of the aitu four i think. i could not STAND them, and it ruined the chances of a parvati/candice in the finals and the riggage is just too much

also, i feel like cook islands parvati is super underrated? i feel like if penner doesn't flip, it's an adam/candice/parv f3, which i see parv winning? obviously i am much happier with her micro/hvv appearances but it makes you wonder!!

Scotty wrote:Survivor is my favorite show. I'm a huge fan- I love it like a hand like mittens.

Curious of your favorite seasons, since you're rewatching them.

I don't know about you, but usually I can predict the winner early on based on editing. But this past season blew my mind. It didn't follow its usual editing algorithm to fart out the winner, so I really liked this last season because of it.

One day bitter juries won't be as prevalent. One day.

If we ever get to it in a few years or whenever, I put in a Survivor Mafia game in the queue so look for that (it's got like 8 games ahead of it )

ooooh i will definitely check out survivor mafia actually!!! (can my role be kelly shinn or dan lembo?? <3 nicaragua <3)

if i had to do my top 5:
(in no order)
amazon
pearl islands
china
gabon
heroes vs villains

but this is all based off fuzzy memory hence the rewatch!

insertnamehere wrote:reposting from the random thread

insertnamehere wrote:

tin man wrote:currently rewatching every season of survivor. just finished australia so 2 down, 30 more to go lmfao.

current ranking
1 borneo
2 australia

You have no idea how into Survivor I am. BULLETPOINT RANKINGS!

3- Pretty good, nice setting, kind of boring
4- underrated, first instance of real Survivor strategy, Boston Rob's best time playing
5- dark, weird, and less interesting in execution than it is in theory
6- has a really good cast, but some weird controversial confessionals
7- MY FAVORITE SEASON! This one seriously has an awesome cast, and the game plays out amazingly. plus it has my favorite player!
8- verrrrrrry controversial among Survivor fans. This is the darkest, murkiest season of Survivor. Expect everything that can go wrong, to go wrong
9- kind of underrated, pretty good
10- i don't like this one as much as some people do for a pretty big reason that you'll find out if you watch it, but it has some good characters
11- super duper underrated, awesome characters and a kickass setting
12- this one has the craziest, most bizarre cast and the best tribe in Survivor history (character wise)
13- this is the infamous "race twist" season that's actually pretty boring in actuality
14- i need to rewatch this one
15- another one of my favorites. great cast, and pretty much the last cool location in Survivor history
16- a great strategy-heavy season that is a little predictable in a couple of ways
17- one of my favorites just for pure random WTF-ery. This is the game at its least predictable
18- a good solid season with a handful of really strong characters
19- this is where things get a little hairy. this is when we first meet the most controversial player in Survivor history, who comes back multiple times. I don't think very highly of him, and I'd advise you not to believe the hype.
20- this is Survivor making an all "all-star" season work really well, as opposed to whatever the fuck All-Stars was. Also features my favorite player.
21- underrated and very unpredictable
22- this is survivor's dark age. All of these seasons are really boring and shitty. I'd probably advise you to skip most of these.
23- skip if you can
24- skip if you can
25- DON'T SKIP THIS ONE. It's not the best season ever, but it's a really solid one and a return to form
26- skip if you can
27- still need to watch this one. i was honestly kind of burned out on the show at this point
28- A FANTASTIC SEASON! just a really good one with kickass characters and kickass strategy. this is when things start turning around for the series
29- another REALLY GOOD season. this is one of the unpredictable ones with an astoundingly good cast (John Rocker excluded)
30- a kind of ugly season, with bullying, class warfare, and a super obvious winner.
31- probably the best "all-star" season with an awesome cast that seems selected for superfans like me, and some great moments
32- the most recent one, which i'd say was a pretty solid season with some big villains and big heroes all of which do worse than you expect

wow we have mostly similar opinions!! i'm glad you like nicaragua because i've seen that lots of people hate it but i LOVE It. but it will take a while to get there on my rewatch. i've loved seasons 17, 21, 25, and 29 so hopefully 33 will follow that pattern

(14, 18, 22, 26, and 30 all following the pattern of a boring male cake-walking their way to the end so NOT excited for 34)

also re: 20 and 7 we have the same favorite player (unless it's rupert lmfao)

the ONLY real difference we have is 31. i didn't like it post-merge at all. too much strategy talk and it felt like an editing catastrophe to me

omg people responding to this <3

i'm familiar with all the seasons and re: russell hantz he sucks and i hate him and i LOVE natalie white <3

also these edgic charts are so bad. i got them from the official site just for decoration for my long post but theres lots of stuff on it that i dont agree with at all lmao

ok so no one probably watches this show anymore but i'm on a mission to rewatch all 32 seasons (i posted elsewhere before i saw that there was a TV forum lmfao) and i just want to ~chronicle~ my thoughts as i go along.

SEASON 1: BORNEO



the season that started the cultural phenomenon!! i really enjoyed this season, even though honestly i thought it was kind of boring at first, but it REALLY picked up at the end and i can honestly say i was basically invested in everyone in the final...6? (minus sean lol)
richard is an amazing winner that really set the tone for the rest of the franchise.

cast ranking:
sue
richard
colleen
rudy
kelly
jenna
greg
sonja
ramona
stacey
sean
gervase
joel
gretchen
bb
dirk

SEASON 2: THE AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK



the most iconic survivor season, the most watched survivor season of all time, and i think the most watched show in 2001? overall, i think i liked this cast a lot more than borneo, actually. JERRI is top 10, and there were more people that i really liked than in borneo. however, after jerri gets booted, the series REALLY starts to drag and the final 4 and finale are like... SO BORING haha but overall it is still very good.

cast ranking:
jerri
elisabeth
rodger
kimmi
amber
tina
maralyn
colby
keith
debb
nick
alicia
mitchell
jeff
kel
michael

SEASON RANKING (so far)
1. borneo
2. the australian outback