The Syndicate

Chris wrote:I think you defended me because you either planned on recruiting me or you wanted me to shut up.

You changed your tune on me after I dropped that hint about the recruiter going as fas as openly defending Roxy in the thread.

Let's remember that you wanted to vote me because you thought I wouldn't have replaced into a role like Jack Harkness or Sarah.

No one can shut you up. Why would I even try? I voted for you, pushed hard on you, then backed right the fuck off with that role hint. Your paranoia is blinding you, my friend.

No not threats, Chris. Just the way it is. I don't care if you get off my back or not. I don't imagine you will get very far with a lynch of me.

Chris wrote:In reading back on MP, I noticed that SVS and Roxy were really trying to get people to vote for Epig over MM.

Roxy goes out of her way to try to convince MP to vote for Epig over MM.

For me, that's further proof that they were on the same recruited team.

Still digging.

Like I said Chris, I have not been recruited. You saw how fast I pulled my vote off of you when you made that role hint. You think about that. If you keep not seeing what I am saying, I am going to have no choice but to stop believing that hint. Which is the only reason I took my vote off you. Iirc I was also one of the only people defending you yesterday.

And MM, <3 you but totally not listening to you either.

Chris wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:You're a liar, Chris. I'll prove you wrong right here and now.
You're right. There is that time when you said you thought SVS was not bad on day 7 or something.

But that was it. And it CERTAINLY wasn't all game.

Dom, I searched MPs posts. I put the link in my other post. I did not read all of MPs posts... that's just not possible.

SVS, the tildes doesn't allow a search

Well, you should have done some manual reading before making an accusation like that. MPalmost always uses the tildes I have noticed. He's formal that way

Chris wrote:Notice SVS does not refute being accused of being the recruiter...

I am not the recruiter. I don't know who the recruiter is.

Based on my reaction to your role hint, Chris's, I figured you might have seen where I was coming from. But I guess not, Lol.

You=Chris

He just said something the other day. Did you search with the tildes?

MP vouched for me, TH. and pretty much every thing I have said has been incorrect or in error recently so i have been clamming up

I have not been recruited. I have the same civvies win conditions I started out with.

Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Chris wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Btw, why was Chris worried about being NK'd last night if he has has a role that surives NK's? Did I miss something on this subject?
well, I was either worried about the other 50 percent, or that we did not get through night 8 yet.
Only one of the two roles you claim has a 50%. I thought you were claiming the one that didn't.
He's saying that either he's Sarah JAne with a 50%, or he's Captain Jack who didn't get another protection until after Night 8 was done.

I missed the captain secret part as the first page is not updated.

Chris wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Btw, why was Chris worried about being NK'd last night if he has has a role that surives NK's? Did I miss something on this subject?
well, I was either worried about the other 50 percent, or that we did not get through night 8 yet.

Only one of the two roles you claim has a 50%. I thought you were claiming the one that didn't.

No, scratch that, i just looked, and zeek did NOT win. It was MP, MM & Hedge. I thought it was zeek, MM & Hedge.

Now, really, nighters

Didn't they both win BWT's card game Friday night?

In any case, both zeek & MM are off the table today, so

Faraday surviving a Strax kill makes me less inclined to suspect him rather than more. He does seem a bit blendier than is usual even for him, though, so maybe he needs a reread.

Tomorrow, since I am out for the night

xox happy mafia players

Epignosis wrote:zeek got resurrected with MM in the same breath. That...bodes poorly.

Why?

I had the impression that they both won prizes the other night? What prize could you give a deadie other than a rezz?

Let's hope MM does not do too much mischief before we can lynch him again.

Epignosis wrote:
Chris wrote:duh DUH DUH!!!

And who, pray tell, would that be Epig?

Why are you insisting that I'm The Master? I know you didn't role check me... did you get bad info? Other than me surviving 2 NKs, and not voting MM, do you have any actual thread evidence?

Or is it all hyperbole?
I was thinking about this a good bit today. I also thought about a few other scenarios, playing with what ifs and what could bes and what have you. But never mind.

No, I didn't check you. I can't do that and I'm not on a team with anyone who can. Precisely as I said. And since sabie got lynched (showing that the role checker was alive the whole time), this nonsense about me making a lie detector statement to fool the lie detector demonstrates without question that I was not lying. But never mind.

Do you know who did role check you? Ah.

Chris
3
Dom (7), sabie12 (8), DFaraday (14)
13%

Jerry bear (Chris)
3
Epignosis (6), sabie12 (13), Snow Dog (14)
12%

++++

sabie, THE role checker, voted for you twice in a row. And the Cybermen tried to kill you. She must want you out something fierce.

But never mind. She must have had bad info.

Right?

You don't think there could be civvie roles the baddies would want out badly~ only the Master?

This analysis implies the baddies may have wanted him dead, not that he was any specific role.

Chris wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:you better bet I will try to lynch him.
Wow...

Like, even if I'm a civvie?

And you have no problem with her missing 4 votes, in a row, out of 8?

That doesn't make her a baddie, does it?

Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:The host gave you drugs?
theophobist should participate in more killed!

I know, right? Next contest I will leave work early if I have to

The host gave you drugs?

Ha ha ha, I remember when the chill pill used to make an appearance in almost every game

That said, I do not think Chris is the Master. I asked him something, he had a 50% chance of making the wrong answer, and he made the right one. That said, ALOT of what he says is based on his beliefs and suppositions. He's one of those people who gets an idea, and makes a leap of faith and is totally sure it is true.

I am guessing it would be an exercise in futility to ask for the Cliffs Notes, so I will spend some quality time rereading the last day or so, but not too much cause the last time I did that at night, I read for like hours, and then my ass got killed.

Dom wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I do think you might be onto something, Chris. Honestly, I was starting to wonder about Snow Dog as D8 developed and I was dead, because he is vastly different from earlier, civvie Snow Dog 1.0 who was very unsure of himself -- and then, together with Bass, was trying to push Hedge being the recruiter, and I don't think I saw any real reason other than the obvious Rox-Hedge connection which doesn't make sense to me. This would have been maybe to keep heat off of their teammate, Sabie?
I am still unsure. My worry is that Chris is Amy Pond. My bigger worry is that he is the Master. As for Hedge....well it's a hunch. Not absolutely sure of it but what can one do? I've been told i follow other people leads. Well i've been doing that since Snow dog 1.0 and look what happene
d to me there. If I don't have any ideas myself of course i follow other peoples suspicions. Always have. always will.

SD 1 found it hard to get in the game. Big cast, new personalities, I had not played a while and i was rusty. i got lynched for that.
Now there are fewer here and i've warmed up.
I do not understand your conjecture that Chris is Amy Pond given that no one died in place of him. My understanding is that Rory would have died instead.

Also don't get why Chris would role hint one of two civvies if he was a third civvie. That would make him look very suspish to the real Sarah Jane & Cap'n Jack, for no real gain.

Linki~ good point.

Also, voted Biblios, non violent library planet. Don't recall much about the others.

Yay, awesome result x2

Bye Evil Sabie, and welcome Back MP

I moved it, but your push away from Epi, whom you say you also suspect, to Sabie, when there was no clear vote majority, is making me a bit nervous, tbh.

Chris wrote:LC, I hope you come back and change your vote to Sabie.

Why Sabie & not Epi? I will do it, because I think you are not bad. But the people you are asking to move their votes are Epi voters.

Chris wrote:Sabie is no doubt going to vote for me, making it 3 votes for me. Being that we're going against the CyberMen, who possibly have extra votes, if it gets close, keys and LC, will you change your votes to Sabie?

Some good points are being made about Sabie, but I am sticking with my previous suspicion and voting for Epi again as I think he is a Cyberman. I just got in, and have to go back out again, but will be back before the lynch ends. I did not have the time to do the rereading I wanted to do today, but will when I get back in.

Linki~ I believe you, Chris. If I have to change my vote, I will. I do think Sabie more likely to be bad than you for sure.

I do want to reread her, Hedge. In a recent game I took votes and was lynched because a baddie had voted the same way as I did~ and I was a civ. There was no way I could defend against something like that, the actions of another person, and there is really no way you can, either. Although Chris' point is a good one; it could also be she dropped you when recruited for totally different reasons.

But I have no intention of voting for you or anyone else based totally on the actions of someone other than themselves.

Turnip Head wrote:SVS, where do you fall on the Chris+LC vs. Epi+Sabie spectrum?

I have seen more that makes me think LC is good rather than bad; I am rather paranoid of him, so I watch him pretty carefully. Something Chris said made me think he was very possibly civ. Becasue he can tend to be hyper eager, it can be easy to read him as bad. I think I was wrong when I thought he was bad, so i changed my vote.

Epi, on the other hand, I thought he was bad, and I have seen nothing that changed my mind. I have no read on Sabie, she seems kinda bewildered, which could be a ruse, or she really COULD be bewildered. She is reminding me of her One Direction gameplay, where I was pretty sure she was bad, and that was not the case.

So I suspect Epi most of those people. And I will post the roll eyes for him to save him the time

Also the Hedge/Roxy thing is interesting. It is hard to defend against other peoples actions, things you can't help, so I am not sure that anything Hedge says will make any difference. Recruiting someone who suspects you is a time honored tactic, especially if you do not have a kill at your disposal. I think a Roxy reread tonight is in order. I am sorry I was not around last night, we have a big family party today, and we were doing some set up, etc., last night, and I have to start getting ready now to leave in about 2 hours.

Has anyone said what prizes the dead baddie MM won?

Chris wrote:Ok, I really thing that one of the Dalek experiments involved the thing that afflicts LC. So far, Zeek, myself, and LC all talked about it before getting hit with it.

DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT ANYMORE.

But I talked about it too. Personally i think that that person had a sense if humor, but why tempt fate?

Bye MP~ and glad another civ protection showed up with all the survivals.

I love Beas polls

This past summer I went to a Sunflower Maze at a local park~ you went in the day, and little kids dressed as fairies were playing in the maze (parents nearby); it sounds silly, but it was so charming.

Why would he post a civvie role?

We don't know who the recruiter is, and if anyone can be recruited. Better safe than sorry.

And corn mazes are so much fun

Don't so it drunk, though. A few drinks, OK, but it's more fun if you're alert (especially if the actors are good) They aren't that scary, Bea. Last year, we actually managed to scare THEM a few times!

Awesome result, but I still feel bad we lynched her when she wasn't around. I hate it when that shit happens to me.

Daleks exterminated surprises me. That means that MR, Daisy or Zeek was a Dalek.

keys56000000000 wrote:Oh fuck yes! Exterminated! Told you I'd avenge you, fingersplints <3

Um, you didn't vote for her, Lol.

Most of what you have said about Chris made sense to me. You had some good points, and I also did not love the Amy Pond thing. This post fairly summarizes what you said that I agreed with.

I have since unvoted Chris, though, since I am starting to think he may be sincere. He said something I can understand, and I am willing to give him the BOTD at this time.

Long Con wrote:The real reason I voted for you early was that you potentially outed Amy Pond after I specifically responded to your first insane attempt, warning you against it. Don't do that, that's classic unCivvielike behaviour. Shame on you, so blatant, just out in public like that.

It directly followed what looks like a really waffley, changing, overly verbal explanation of why you survived, which I agree was supicious. Why jump around like that if you're not hiding something? I dunno, but that factor added weight to the idea you were the guy for me, easy enough to go with due to my elevated anger toward you from the Amy Pond Incident.

Then there is the fact that you and keys were high up in my own case, The Case Of The Role-Blocked Ruffian. Makes it that much easier for me to say, "Let's lynch this guy. Maybe I'm right. That would be awesome!"

Your worrying that the lynch was going to end early was the icing on the cake, it's like, this dude is saying "please don't vote me, I think they're gonna end it early on me, help!", and I was like, "Not today, dude. Today I do what you don't want, because you upset me. Stop this silly lynch talk, Chicken Little."

.... so that's my most honest and exacting explanation of why it is that my vote is still sitting on your ass, Chris. I assure you that it is as perfect an explanation as I can recollect from this morning. You know how it is.

I'm going to leave that vote right where it is for now. Feel free to keep reacting in whatever way you think is sound.

EBWOP: SO did Snown, not "No did Snowy"

Black Rock wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

I'm not completely convinced on the Roxy vote either. I somewhat suspect her for her Non-LD statement that she claimed was solid. Not completely though. Do you have any better ideas for me to look at? I respect your opinion here.

You did mention her previously; no did Snowy~ I am not understanding Ninjas vote mostly, I guess. I also know she has a really good reason not to be here defending, and people are lynching her anyhow. But that is my personal feelings talking. She does not "feel" bad to me, and i think i read her pretty well, she has this sinister thing going on when shes bad, that i just don't see here.

I suspect Epi, as i have, and i suspect Chris. I guess my thoughts on Chris have a lot to do with LC~ he feels civ to me, and I think he is a pretty astute civ. What are your thoughts on LC?

Linki~ O...K.... you know, I noticed that when you posted it, but forgot it. I had to go back and look at a role to check.

OK, Chris. I will buy what you are selling. But I am gonna vote for Epi, not Roxy. I HATE lynching people who can't defend. I got lynched once on the day of a good friends funeral, coming home to that was like the rancid cherry on top of the poisoned ice cream sundae that was my day that day.

Knowing which role you hinted at would go far for me, Chris. But I can't find it, I suck at in your face role hints, semi hints are beyond me.

I won't vote for Roxy, I at least suspect you. I am not getting the Roxy votes from people who don't seem to suspect her, and never mentioned her previously, like Ninjajujube. Snowy is being consistent in his Roxy suspish, but not sure where Ninjube is coming from.

So you think Roxy is bad?

Have not found a role hint yet, but I have found this:

Chris wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:If I'm still alive to see tomorrow then I'll be strongly considering an MP vote, yeah
What do you make of his survived kill attempt? If he's bad, and not a Cyberman, that would make him either a Dalek or an indy/secret role. The Daleks are also the team that killed you the first time around. Do you think MP would have actually done that?

Huge WIFOM territory, but at least I think he'd be smarter than that. It's not because of this, I just don't think MP is bad in this game.
I was considering this question... and I remembered this:

The Cyber Controller: A ruler over lesser Cybermen. Can direct them to carry out the objectives of the Cybermen (to "upgrade" the lesser beings into Cybermen, thereby rendering them absent of emotion). You team selects which member will carry out the kill on even nights. *Secrets* You cannot be nightkilled until every other member on your team is dead.
Of course, when I asked the hosts if a player would survive a self target, they said no. But this role WOULD.

It's looking to me that MP is The Cyber Controller, and the only way to kill him would be by lynch.

Oh the irony, lol.

Linki, no, that adds to my opinion; I agree with much of what others have posted, and don't see the need to reiterate. I have just added my two cents to the account others already opened. And you didn't think it was Bullshit when i first said it.

S~V~S wrote:I am still most suspicious of Epi, and of him being on the cyber team. I need to reread his posts as re Chris to see how sure he is about Chris' role.

As for Chris, I think the Master is a possibility for him. My experience of Indy Chris is that he plays it as a civ, in that he does not get that evil mastermind thing going in thread quite as much. I also have to say, based on my experience hosting him, that I think he has a pretty awesome role. He asks about that before replacing in, and the "quality* of the role matters to him. Plus he has been really active, if he had a role that HE perceived as sucking, I don't think he would be as invested.

If he is the Master, and he had BTS with MM, he did not have it for long, IMO. He has not been acting like BTS Chris. That said, he could have changed up his game. The possibly outing a civ is troubling, although to be fair, Chris is always fairly manic about stuff like that, "Was it a tie", etc., and it is possible that he wasn't thinking when he asked that question, BUT as LC says, he was warned.

Odds are good I am going to vote Epi again, there is more than one baddie, but I totally can see Chris as the Master. And yes, I can see Reywas replacing out of the Master. He has been disinterested and uninvolved recently, replacing out of many games, or just low posting. He has RL, and Mafia is not his priority at this time. Now, CHRIS might not replace out of the Master, but Rey would, I think.

Your reply:

Chris wrote:LINKI @ SVS: See, now that's something I can see someone accusing me of. I'm not The Master of course, but I can see how you can think so. I didn't vote for MM. I went for Epig without much reason other than I was tired of hearing about the lie detector shit, and he was acting differently enough for me to vote him just to end it. It wasn't a great reason, but I also didn't care who was lynched between the two of them.

Looking back at who The Master targeted, I don't have much to say in defense, since I can't say I did much in regards to them. The Master targeted Rico, and I was for a Rico lynch... so there's not much else there. The problem with being accused of being the indy role is it's tough to defend against. Especially when SVS puts it the way she did.

But I'm not The Master.

Link: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 687#p90689

While I continue to look for the role hint, I will move my vote to Epi, not Roxy. I don't suspect her, plus she has RL issues tonight and is unlikely to be here to defend.

Linki AGAIN, "Either Sarah or Jack"? But you made a role hint? Maybe I will leave my vote while I look for it

Chris wrote:SVS, are you not reading my posts?

You are basing your vote on me on whether you think I'd take a role or not.

How about suspect me for something that happened in the game. (Not to mention I resent the fact that you insinuate that I'd turn down replacing into a game because of a role. I've never done that. Not once.)

I am either Sarah or Jack. In fact, before all of this, before I was ever targeted, I semi role hinted. If you look through my posts, you'll find it.

I hate that I had to do that, but I ALWAYS die when a civ. I've never once won as civ. I'm going down fighting.

No I am not. I am also weighing what I think happened in the night~ but since you used a similar argument as part of your defense, I felt I had to counter it becasue i don;t think you represented it honestly. You played the last Recruitment, you know Rey quit one of the actual recruiting roles. This is part of the reason I think you are full of it, when you said you did not think Rey would quit the Master, I was like

He's quit better roles, and recently, in a game you played.

You post a lot, looking for one role hint in all that will be a bitch, but I need to know what role you hinted at. It might make a difference for me. I am the suck at picking that shit up, too

But I will try~

Also, Keys, I see you voted Roxy. Do you suspect her? This was the one time you mentioned her, last Saturday:

keys56000000000 wrote:Who's vouched for whom? I must have missed all the vouchings.

MP, I've gone over your MM case and it's not bad at all. I especially agree with the assessment of his behaviour during the Enri lynch.

I too share your concern re: Hedgeowl. More likely than not that there's something to that.

Rox, I don't know about your case against Epig2. It's really hard for me to get a good reading on people that replace back into games. I'm gonna give him some time.

keys56000000000 wrote:SVS, I don't know for sure. But there's a lot of evidence that points towards Chris's innocence. The unlikely hood of reywaS giving up a good role. Chris's lack of direction. Poor suspicions, panicked defenses. Doesn't bear the signs of someone being guided by teammates in any way whatsoever. The fact that Strax's kill didn't go through on Chris, a certainty for the first three civvies he targets.

Why are you voting Chris? I'm looking very hard at Chris voters.

Look all you want, I think the points brought up on him and his survival are good ones.

Reywas has quit pretty much every game he has signed up for in the last few months. I think he is Mafia-ed out~ I replaced him as the Creeping Death, one of the top roles, in the recent Recruitment game at RM, that's a weak argument. I don't think Chris has teammates, I agree there. First he implied he was a surviving civ, then he implied that it was Strax' civ kill fail. Then he said, "Well, if I am the Master, the lynch would be wasted on me". He is over simplifying the arguments against him. He just does not sound sincere to me.

And Chris, I just don't think you're one of the civs with a possible night survival. I don't think you would have taken Sarah Jane, it is a weak role with no night powers. Captain Jack, maybe. But the coincidence of a fail Strax kil on you on the same night as a fail baddie kill... I am having problems there.

While I still suspect Epignosis, I think getting to the bottom of the Chris issue is important. I never get the "well, if he is bad, he won't die anyway, so why bother?" arguments. Why would the baddies kill him? He takes attention off of them~ we aren't discussing anyone but Chris today, and we likely won't until he is lynched. So let's just do it.

If he does not die, we will have to lynch him again tomorrow, but it is what it is.

The main thing that gives me pause is Keys. He's acting waaaaaaaayyyy too sure about Chris. Is it his gut, or does he know for sure? If Chris flips civ, I might want to take a look at Keys. He has been buddying with Chris most of the game, and I think if Keys had a role check, he might well check Chris ASAP.

Contrary to what some people are saying, I think LC looks civ so far. He has this insincere tone when he's bad, and I am not seeing it here. And I think he makes some good points about Chris, too. Plus, I doubt Chris would replace in for Sarah Jane, or even Captain Jack.

So I am going to vote Chris, and see if Epi gets his baddie hunting cap back on now that he has gone a whole cycle without needing to defend

Linki~ I read his posts, and that is an oversimplification, Chris.

Epignosis wrote:I am not a robot.

Like, how many times do I have to say it?

That isn't the point. The point was your resistance previously, you were acting really evasive, and trying to bull your way through it by saying you did something you had not done. It had to be made into a huge production before you would comply. Personally, i still think it was uncheckable since zeek kinda forced it (and I definitely did), and most hosts don't allow forced LDs.

And rolling eyes at people won't change that

I am still most suspicious of Epi, and of him being on the cyber team. I need to reread his posts as re Chris to see how sure he is about Chris' role.

As for Chris, I think the Master is a possibility for him. My experience of Indy Chris is that he plays it as a civ, in that he does not get that evil mastermind thing going in thread quite as much. I also have to say, based on my experience hosting him, that I think he has a pretty awesome role. He asks about that before replacing in, and the "quality* of the role matters to him. Plus he has been really active, if he had a role that HE perceived as sucking, I don't think he would be as invested.

If he is the Master, and he had BTS with MM, he did not have it for long, IMO. He has not been acting like BTS Chris. That said, he could have changed up his game. The possibly outing a civ is troubling, although to be fair, Chris is always fairly manic about stuff like that, "Was it a tie", etc., and it is possible that he wasn't thinking when he asked that question, BUT as LC says, he was warned.

Odds are good I am going to vote Epi again, there is more than one baddie, but I totally can see Chris as the Master. And yes, I can see Reywas replacing out of the Master. He has been disinterested and uninvolved recently, replacing out of many games, or just low posting. He has RL, and Mafia is not his priority at this time. Now, CHRIS might not replace out of the Master, but Rey would, I think.

I am such a fail before coffee lol.

You do still suspect MM, right?

Dana also thought that both Epignosis 1.0 & Snowy 1.0 were bad. So I am not sure I want to be lynching anyone based on her opinion, tbh.

MovingPictures07 wrote:S~V~S, with all due respect, I don't understand why you think it's ambiguous, but I suppose it's a moot point.

Because there are 3 secret roles. Do you know what they do? Neither do I. One of them could be a recruiter. Like I said the Master is a good assumption, but if the hosts don't say it, we don't know it.

And I guess I don;t like being told to "Read the roles"

But seriously, when it comes to role assignment speculation and such, we need to remember those three secret roles.

28 players, 31 roles. The Master is a good assumption, but still an assumption.

It obviously isn't the Daleks though, lol

And I have read the roles~ 28 of them

Now really, good night.

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.

And interesting~ he was recruited. it does not say by whom, though. I am going to guess the Daleks, because i tend to believe in the Snowy Lynch/Saving Made theory.
Read the roles. He was recruited by The Master.

Three secret roles. That's an assumption. The hosts did not say that, so we don't know for sure.

And Good Night

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