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How is thinking out side of the box antitown? Innovation and testing new strategies are the towniest things ever.Neon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:57 pmSure I'd consider it.
Living in fear of the vote cancel plays into the hand of the woofs though. We can't pick one person to run up it is inherently anti town. If a wagon runs away I will not ever be on it
One of the woof roles cancels two votes. We need to get one today. Unless we can come up with tempo people MOST of us agree on.
Like this is the only post where you typed out "soneji". All other mentions of him in your iso are embedded in other peoples quote. But now he's one of your top three, and you say you suspected him before.fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:07 pmOk so some good background info on mata. Something I will definitely consider without letting it heavily impact my decision in usual mafia fashion.S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:56 pmSince they have the most votes, maybe Sabiplz? Fresh eyes, new perspective. They have a high post count, but most of them are short. I would especially enjoy your perspective on their discussion with Marmot. I want to read that myself tonight. Since we seem to be somewhat simpatico, I would like to know if you also see what Golden and I did, potential steering?
And don't feel bad I had a triple post, combo of my internet and the site freaking out at the same time.
Re your Mata question. This is hard for me, in general I prefer to keep non thread related issues out of thread. But sometimes, like Roxy and the crime she experienced, or Mata and her surgery, it's hard not to cut slack. With Mata in my case since I know I kinda helped talk her into it, knowing she might be one handed for a while.
I am not seeing that unique ability of hers to find things that may seem like nothing and look at them from a different perspective. I don't always agree with her take, but I respect it, becasue I know where it's coming from. I have not seen this, but it's day two, and i would imagine that crystalline focus isn't always easy to come by, lol. And I liked her making a general feels post on Day One. She is safe from me at this time, one day at a time.
What about you? And @Kate ?Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:45 am i want to post my thoughts so far, while I have a minute. They are definitely not deep thoughts, but how deep can they be on day 1?
New players get a pass, until later in the game. Absent players, as well.
if I don't mention you, its because I have you as town for now.
Falcon45ca- I didn't find it suspicious that you chose someone quickly because with movable votes, it seems like a lot of players throw votes around in a slap-happy fashion. then you were questioned about it, and you promptly posted quotes for why you made your vote. This looked legit to me at the time. Later it occurred to me that maybe you did all that too quickly, Pre-planned? But someone, Sabiplz, I think, said this was normal for your town game.
Soneji posted, I think, but I'll need to go back and look to make sure. ???
Lucy- so far, is reminding me of Dr. Wilgy. Too random to read, and weird posting just annoys me because I don't know what to do with it. I'd like to hear from players who are familiar with them.
Seanzie made a very risky statement for a town player to make. Or just an 'I can't be bothered' statement. Since it was preceded by an 'Ugh', I'm going with the former.
Sabiplz drew attention to his post, then backed away from it, then said she rarely voted early or often, then 17 minutes later she voted for Seanzie. None of this feels right.
Golden got a vote from Falcon, and although Falcon's reasons would not be enough to convince me to vote someone, I thought they were ok for a day 1. However after post 486 ( I think, I'll go back and check later and do an ebwop if necessary), I have Golden as town.
Marmot, no clue. I'd like to hear what other players think of him. ???
Everyone else, I have as probably town. I have no absolutes this early, but I'm watching the players above who pinged me. I'd like to hear what other players think of my not so deep thoughts, please.
I’ve read mata and don’t have much to say about her posts either way. My main interest in her has to do with Marmot’s interest in her. His death can possibly implicate a mata/soneji team. Worth considering although not a strong suspicion yet
And then when you voted for her.fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:46 pm I find SVS to be a more eloquent version of my thoughts
Interested in Lucy’s response. Maybe I’m a biased as I’m a low poster, but there seems to be too much conversation to worry about low posting at this point in the game
I understand you're here mostly alone, but I know I would at least try to start a counter wagon. The fact that your bad GTH team is pretty much the same as mine is suprising to me.fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:35 amI haven’t really reevaluated this day since I’m on defence mode, so I’ll stick with what I thought last day which is lucy/mata/soneji.
I don’t agree with Lucy being given a pass because “the cop could check her”. Where do you draw the line with that logic? We could say that about anyone and just not vote at all.
I asked your thoughts on mata the last day period because I think the marmot death implicates her the most. He was calling attention to her while everyone else seemed ok to give her a pass for RL stuff.
Now he specifically called attention to her comments about soneji, which is why they are my third. It’s a grouping that makes sense to me, but soneji would be the one I would not vote of the three because my suspicion there is mainly based off others and less of their actions.
I just read the subsequent convo and realized I was not clear. The person I am comparing to Dominick was Splints, not Mata. Splints reads the same, tone wise, to me regardless of affiliation. So now that I think of it, a town read on her by me is pretty pointless.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:26 pmWill do, I have to do some house stuff and finish catching up but definitely. I had good feels from her, but she is like Dom for me, she is almost a null emotionally. I don't get any emotional effect either way, she is very smooth that way, so I can't really tone read her any more than I can tone read Dom. And Dom can fool me better than anyone. If any of that makes sense.Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:19 pmI've been mafia with Mata before and she was far more active than this. We had a 4 woman mafia team in a reywas game. The theme was like, his favorite TV characters or summat. I'm not saying she definitely civ, I'm just saying she seems more civ than splints. I just read her posts and there's nothing in there even worth quoting. Take a look and let me know what you think.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:45 pmExcuse me? I am not sure what you are saying here. I found your vote for Bea suspect not so much becasue of low poster status (although I tend to find that baddies in a thread full of strong civvies ultimately always try to eliminate low posters BECAUSE they are low posters. Who else can you eliminate, really, if the civs are all vibing together? You either make aggressive cases against active civvies, or you default to low posters. It's the baddie way) as because you had a choice of two low posters, with 2 posts each, and you chose Bea, who had content up to that point, as opposed to Soneji who had zero content to that point. Then lo and behold like a little bit later, who shows up but Soneji? That was one of those things that make you go hmm.
Like I said, i find low posters as easy pickings for baddies, low lying fruit, as it were. You don't have to agree with me, but that is how I feel.
What low poster is the town lynching now?
But in any case, I am more interested in who you suspect (unless it's all low posters?)
Linki @Golden will do.
Linki @Kate I could be wrong. I don't ever recall seeing bad Mata, although i know I must have. And I said i know she has irl. I was asked a question, that was my take on it, but last I looked, I was ultra far from infallible lol. What is the case on Splints specifically? I am still replying to my @ and haven't read much of the thread, only skims.
Will do, I have to do some house stuff and finish catching up but definitely. I had good feels from her, but she is like Dom for me, she is almost a null emotionally. I don't get any emotional effect either way, she is very smooth that way, so I can't really tone read her any more than I can tone read Dom. And Dom can fool me better than anyone. If any of that makes sense.Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:19 pmI've been mafia with Mata before and she was far more active than this. We had a 4 woman mafia team in a reywas game. The theme was like, his favorite TV characters or summat. I'm not saying she definitely civ, I'm just saying she seems more civ than splints. I just read her posts and there's nothing in there even worth quoting. Take a look and let me know what you think.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:45 pmExcuse me? I am not sure what you are saying here. I found your vote for Bea suspect not so much becasue of low poster status (although I tend to find that baddies in a thread full of strong civvies ultimately always try to eliminate low posters BECAUSE they are low posters. Who else can you eliminate, really, if the civs are all vibing together? You either make aggressive cases against active civvies, or you default to low posters. It's the baddie way) as because you had a choice of two low posters, with 2 posts each, and you chose Bea, who had content up to that point, as opposed to Soneji who had zero content to that point. Then lo and behold like a little bit later, who shows up but Soneji? That was one of those things that make you go hmm.
Like I said, i find low posters as easy pickings for baddies, low lying fruit, as it were. You don't have to agree with me, but that is how I feel.
What low poster is the town lynching now?
But in any case, I am more interested in who you suspect (unless it's all low posters?)
Linki @Golden will do.
Linki @Kate I could be wrong. I don't ever recall seeing bad Mata, although i know I must have. And I said i know she has irl. I was asked a question, that was my take on it, but last I looked, I was ultra far from infallible lol. What is the case on Splints specifically? I am still replying to my @ and haven't read much of the thread, only skims.
This ^^
Right right right. I remembered "Oh yeah" ing this when you first posted it, but I forget about it.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:37 am One interesting thing in splints iso is that they ask who they should iso next, SVS offers sabi as a possibility for a fresh perspective, and splints doesn't do it.
I think SVS's choice of sabi was actually a very strong one, and her logic sound, and town splints perspective on sabi would have been valuable (and was urgent in the sense that it's too late now).
I dunno whether I think this is AI or just splints not having the time to follow through. Have to mull on that.
Excuse me? I am not sure what you are saying here. I found your vote for Bea suspect not so much becasue of low poster status (although I tend to find that baddies in a thread full of strong civvies ultimately always try to eliminate low posters BECAUSE they are low posters. Who else can you eliminate, really, if the civs are all vibing together? You either make aggressive cases against active civvies, or you default to low posters. It's the baddie way) as because you had a choice of two low posters, with 2 posts each, and you chose Bea, who had content up to that point, as opposed to Soneji who had zero content to that point. Then lo and behold like a little bit later, who shows up but Soneji? That was one of those things that make you go hmm.
It is random, it's a gun to head read. If I had to blurt out who I thought was bad, this would be it. I mainly included you becasue you replaced Jack. And I was waffly on Jack. He's Dennis' twin, and Dennis came in pretty strong, and my thought was that Jack may have been reluctant to be lying and being wolfy in front of Dennis, becasue I would imagine they would read each mother pretty well, even with no Mafia experience. But your own content seemed pretty engaged and gave me no reason to think you specifically bad, if that makes sense. It was just lingering suspicion from Jack. But I just replaced someone taking suspicion (who was town) in my last game, so I realize you need to be judged as you.Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 3:09 amThis feels really random please elaborateS~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:44 amNot if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pmI will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.
Gun to head, my call for bad team is Lucy, Soneji and one of Splints or Mata, maybe Neon.
I think Bea would have been replaced already if she were bad, and Rox has a certain tone when she’s bad, especially if someone has spoken nastily to her. Last night after Lucy called her “Fucking Roxy”, she responded pretty calmly to it. It’s a long time since we’ve played together and I could be 100% wrong since this is a tone read. But that sharp element she has when bad is missing.
Mata. Splints is always a hard read for me. She hasn't done/said anything that made me crook my head. With Mata, it's more "lack of" than anything she's done, if that makes sense. And I know Mata has irl concerns. But but. I just feel better about Splints, she seems to be forming the right thread connections, if that makes sense. But again, she doesn't really have any tone tells, she is admirably proficient at having a very flat, steady presence in games, regardless of affiliation. But Mata is more lack of what I expect, and that's how I elimmed Bea in Game 1. Lack of rather than actual suspicious behavior.
Okey dokey then.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:46 amI think seanzie is right re lucy - I think we should let the cop/deputy deal with it. Or at least give her some space to get to play freely and see what comes, she's been under constant suspicion since the start, and I think it is inevitable that she effectively solves her own slot from here one way or the other.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:44 amNot if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pmI will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.
Gun to head, my call for bad team is Lucy, Soneji and one of Splints or Mata, maybe Neon.
I think Bea would have been replaced already if she were bad, and Rox has a certain tone when she’s bad, especially if someone has spoken nastily to her. Last night after Lucy called her “Fucking Roxy”, she responded pretty calmly to it. It’s a long time since we’ve played together and I could be 100% wrong since this is a tone read. But that sharp element she has when bad is missing.
Yeah I wondered about this too.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:37 am One interesting thing in splints iso is that they ask who they should iso next, SVS offers sabi as a possibility for a fresh perspective, and splints doesn't do it.
I think SVS's choice of sabi was actually a very strong one, and her logic sound, and town splints perspective on sabi would have been valuable (and was urgent in the sense that it's too late now).
I dunno whether I think this is AI or just splints not having the time to follow through. Have to mull on that.
Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pmI will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.
Mainly when I am bad, and have a nub on my team and they ask basic questions in chat, I tell them to ask in the thread, acting naive looks civvie. If you were in chat with any OG they would have told you the same. So there was that.
She didn’t actually do it.
That was me againSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:56 pm Hey guys, I’m just popping in to remind everyone to try and honor the preferred pronouns of other players. Preferred pronouns are listed under avatars. I realize on mobile those are not visible, but when you aren’t certain you can always ask, or default to they/them until you can find out definitively.
Sabiplz’s preferred pronouns are they/them
my apologies to them. I think it’s the avatar, but that’s no excuse. Yeah agreed, I didn’t think you were doing any defending either.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:28 pmI meant more their original post where they quoted one early D1 post by me as justification for a scumread as if they were told in wolfchat I should be an easy push today.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:49 am@Seanzie You mean this? What do you feel is lacklustre about this, cuz' I tend to agree with this read on your D1, regardless of your theoretical green flipSoneji wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:33 amThe bold is quite the assumption. If you did anything to improve your standing past your opening, you may not even be a primary suspect, but your defense was part open-wolfing and lots of deflection, and you spent the entire day just on the defense contributing little else to the thread.Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:54 am The chances of town!anyone looking at that single early D1 joke post from me and concluding I'm a wolf at this juncture without any regard to anything else is very low.
Couple that with how Soneji spends tons of lip service on Lucy and Mata, but not me. Almost as if Soneji has been told in wolfchat that I'm an easy push today, so Soneji didn't feel the need to actually develop any critical thought about me.
This indicates that likely Soneji and Sabi are partnered because Soneji would only do this lacklustre push on me if they needed to possibly end up on me to save a teammate.
I don't quote everything that is part of my suspicion, if I did my multiquote walls would get enormous, and with you in particular majority of your posts were bad.
I'm not even pushing anyone yet, but you're already freaking out as if I'm going to focus you over lucy/mata/Wilgy voters.
As far as D1 goes, I don't think I was actually ever defendinng myself, and saying the word "open wolfing" doesn't actually add to an argument, but okay.
Since they have the most votes, maybe Sabiplz? Fresh eyes, new perspective. They have a high post count, but most of them are short. I would especially enjoy your perspective on their discussion with Marmot. I want to read that myself tonight. Since we seem to be somewhat simpatico, I would like to know if you also see what Golden and I did, potential steering?
What about you? And @Kate ?Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 11:45 am i want to post my thoughts so far, while I have a minute. They are definitely not deep thoughts, but how deep can they be on day 1?
New players get a pass, until later in the game. Absent players, as well.
if I don't mention you, its because I have you as town for now.
Falcon45ca- I didn't find it suspicious that you chose someone quickly because with movable votes, it seems like a lot of players throw votes around in a slap-happy fashion. then you were questioned about it, and you promptly posted quotes for why you made your vote. This looked legit to me at the time. Later it occurred to me that maybe you did all that too quickly, Pre-planned? But someone, Sabiplz, I think, said this was normal for your town game.
Soneji posted, I think, but I'll need to go back and look to make sure. ???
Lucy- so far, is reminding me of Dr. Wilgy. Too random to read, and weird posting just annoys me because I don't know what to do with it. I'd like to hear from players who are familiar with them.
Seanzie made a very risky statement for a town player to make. Or just an 'I can't be bothered' statement. Since it was preceded by an 'Ugh', I'm going with the former.
Sabiplz drew attention to his post, then backed away from it, then said she rarely voted early or often, then 17 minutes later she voted for Seanzie. None of this feels right.
Golden got a vote from Falcon, and although Falcon's reasons would not be enough to convince me to vote someone, I thought they were ok for a day 1. However after post 486 ( I think, I'll go back and check later and do an ebwop if necessary), I have Golden as town.
Marmot, no clue. I'd like to hear what other players think of him. ???
Everyone else, I have as probably town. I have no absolutes this early, but I'm watching the players above who pinged me. I'd like to hear what other players think of my not so deep thoughts, please.
So you would prefer to eliminate a low poster rather than a person you suspect?lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:22 pm I'll try to make a readslist and poe, which is slightly difficult due to gamestate
one thing I do have issue with is the fact all the votes are being placed on active players, while I believe that there are active mafia players, I don't believe it's any greater than one or two
which means that we'll vote out active participants instead of inactive participants which will greatly harm us in late game, due to voting out all the players that have actually done something. instead of inactive whom have done nothing. to that end I scum read bea, so I'll actually place my vote there
[VOTE: bea] aubergine
Ha ha I miss linki so much. That’s how I felt too. I especially like that he spread them around, not just aiming them at s couple of people.fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 4:25 pm Reading falcon ISO. He’s asking lots of questions, so could be some good genuine solving. I think he’s ok for now
I always get left out
