The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote:hey wash't ups im a bit tipsy right now

I see we already have votes, not even halfway through the Day. Good thing we don't have any lockdown, ey?

I'm gonna to try to catch up for this evening, but I'm fairly tired. Also, for the record, I'm almost certain I'll adopt a more freestyle play for Recruitement. With the load of RL work I'll have the following weeks and this game being so large and complex, my "analysis machine", as MP once put it, will most certainly malfunction.

Did anyone answer my questions about Typhoony?

I can, if you like. I was not sure than many of them were not rhetorical.

Any member of any clan can be recruited to any team, so knowledge of his clan only does not mean much. His posts read pretty civvie to me, or unrecruited, and I think I read Typh rather well. I would like to see people rezzed on the basis of what they say, if their recruiting status is unknown, than by their assigned clan. But there may be more confirmed people able to be rezzed, so i don't want to see anyone rezzed just yet.

I think the odds of anyone being Azura is 1 in 32 (or is it 34?). Based on his posts I don't think he was. He made posts longer than just a few words, and they were all pretty sensible and straight to the point. For me this is the mark of a non bad Typhoony. Plus I doubt he would kill a very vocal player who was part of a thread distraction as Epi was.

And I think a smart player can use any power to the advantage of any team. Regardless if he was a more powerful or less powerful sorcerer, he would have found the way to extract the most value from his role.

Well, if Golden doesn't get Bass lynched, he will just get the baddies to kill him for him.

Golden wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Now that we've got this MP/Llama stuff, can be return to talking about Golden? The whole "I baited the baddies into a making the kill for me" line seems... unlikely to me. How could he have known that Epi was on the baddie team opposite from the one making the kill, unless he himself was on the baddie team making the kill?
I've already addressed this, in quite thorough detail...

I would imagine quite a few people are going to ask for an explanation of this seeming dichotomy. You might want to have your original explanation in cut & paste. I would not mind hearing it again.

Shhhh wait till she leaves

Black Rock wrote:
Speaker of Serenity wrote:Please lynch Turnip Head. That is all.

Ah, I did not realize that this was from the Speaker of Serenity, and I was confuzzled.

Linki @MM, yes that was confusing ha ha. I was like why would the game mod tell you to do things lol.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I've moved my vote to Turnip Head per Serenity's request.

Serenity is the game moderator.

They can just add a day to it since there are no votes.

Scary or not, I have to agree with MPs list to a large extent becasue this is the first game he's played in a while. I would add DP to that list due to RM3.

And probably the former, we all have a clan. Just not a team.

Yes, although the story sounds like baddies killed Epi. But he said he was baiting them to kill him. He thought Epi was on a baddie team. So he had to be baiting the baddie team that he thought Epi was NOT on. If it was the Night 2 team, the baiting would be pointless.

I just never heard anyone say anything like that, I guess.

DharmaHelper wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You baited the baddies into killing Epignosis because he suspected you? Since you think HE was a baddie, how did you know that the baddie team he WASN'T on was the one who killed tonight? If he was on the other baddie team, this strategy would have only resulted in more days of derailment, far from the result you wanted.

That was a messed up thing to say, Golden.
Although in fairness, whoever killed Epi obviously did so to make Golden a pillar of discussion.

Yeah, but if he was baiting them to kill Epi ASAP, how did he know that the team Epi wasn't on was the one who killed night one? I was one of the people who thought Golden sounded genuine, but that post was messed up.

Point well taken, though.

You baited the baddies into killing Epignosis because he suspected you? Since you think HE was a baddie, how did you know that the baddie team he WASN'T on was the one who killed tonight? If he was on the other baddie team, this strategy would have only resulted in more days of derailment, far from the result you wanted.

That was a messed up thing to say, Golden.

Who the fuck would kill Typhoony on Night One of his first game back in years?

Lame

And then Epi as well. Golden being ballsy or Golden being set up?

It is the poll that came with the software. It's the one we have been using and we have been able to set end times. I am not sure what the problem is?

my bird does

Ricochet wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Posting the poll tally would be good, but if voting will stay changeable, it won't be a fully accurate reflection of how votes evolved, especially if things get manipulated (granted, there won't be another early day end until we return to position 1).

I'm gonna double-check MM's list in a bit.
Please do. I'm confident in my checks through everyone's posts (those I needed to check), but the results weren't what I expected. There was so much chatter about BWT, I thought he would have had the most votes, not unfurl.
One thing I noticed when following along was how long it took for the remainder of the bet votes to pile on. I'm not surprised at all that mine was the only one to go through if the day ended at 5: something.
What do you mean by "bet votes" and what do you mean by your being the "only one to go through"?

My guess is that "bet" means "bwt" (w & e next to each other, and autocorrect for the lose) which was how I read it. The rest of it, I have no clue.

I think 4 is the scariest.

Also want to vote for option 3 again, just in case I am not back in time to vote although I am sure I will be.

Ricochet wrote:So my theory so far is shaping up like this:

if the stats are correct that a 1-vote 11-player tie took place and a player gets lynched through randomization, then it must mean the player who got lynched survived the lynch, according to his position 1

ergo any of the following players (BWT, Canuck, Epignosis, Golden, MP, Russ, SVS, Tranq, Unfurl, Wilgy - I'm not, but feel free to throw me in as well; I would have super dead and super pissed if I would have been lynched or if the Day would have ended with me having two votes) can be:

Ubzargan the Ruthless - Immune to NK/Lynch
Jilted Lover - Can’t die as long as ? alive

I don't believe that Lord of Thunder's +/-3 votes would have changed this situation, if he already manipulated something by the time the Day ended. either he added votes and then there is definitely a specific survivor, which Lordy may now choose to try to hint at; either he substracted votes and it's still a large pool of tied players and the theory above still applies, but with vague chances of pinpointing at anyone in particular

same with Windscout, we don't know how many votes he can take down, but I doubt it's up to 10

I'm not sure if The Immortal's random power can activate during the Day, but even if it can, it's really a stretch to imagine that he protected someone that early and the stars aligned so that the one person he randomly protected was the one person that randomly got lynched; plus, we haven't seen a second death

same with Terras. can he protect during the Day? if so, same stretch of the imagination

If I missed anything, let me know, but so far I believe this to be the conclusion: our non-lynched player today is Uzbargan or the Jilted Lover. unfortunately we have 11 candidates for this spot

You left out Master of Shadows:

Master of Shadows - Warrior of the Shadows

Position 1: Choose your own position
Position 2: You may post in the thread as your role
Position 3: Follow a player in the shadows and see who that player targets, affect the outcome.
Position 4: Cast a shadow on a player, all votes for that player will be cut in half
Position 5: Become a shadow, you can’t be night targeted and all votes for you will not count

Scotty wrote:
Dom wrote:Are we going to talk about how Scotty's post clearly indicated he has BTSC?

Dom wrote:This post.

Scotty wrote:Spinning the old randomizer wheel before I leave for one my infamous 14 hour shifts today (help me).

I have a slight gut read that SVS has some power in this game, and I don't like it. So nothing against you, SVS, but you got my vote day 1.
Scotty has never played a RM before. Scotty assumed everyone is vanilla like in previous games. Scotty would not know about this. Scotty must have been told about this.
Unless I am misinterpreting the highlighted line...

Additionally, this is a huge contradiction. "Random vote"-->I think SVS is bad???
Ah, I see Dom was needling in on me. Fair enough, it was a little contradictory. Here's the longer explanation now that I'm not as rushed.

Because I don't see the use in complete random, my randomization was not so much random on the scale of the entire list of players, but a list of players that had more content-filled posts. Unlike the Day 0/1's from previous games, I didn't feel like looking at MIAs for the first lynch. It was theorized by numerous people throughout the day who had a better chance to recruit and who would be recruited. I don't think a recruiter would pick someone with a very low post count. Maybe someone with a slightly low count to remain hidden, sure. But someone like, say, DFaraday I don't see as Recruiter or Recruitee.

I looked at the big talkers that had recruiting strategies- Epi and Golden and their spat didn't stand out to me as recruiters/recruitees. MP, SVS, JJJ, birdwithteeth, Rico, etc were in the mix. But I had no real inclination between those, though I figured one of them maybe had some sort of overarching, suspicious recruiting method. SVS stood out to me early on for her recruiting strategy of someone that was smarter than her, works well as a team player and could swim under the radar. She seemed to really know what she was talking about, and that would scare me if she were the recruiter. But I really could have voted any of them. So I guess it was random in the sense that I just picked one that didn't seem to be causing too much of a ruckus or on anyone's radar. In the end, it's a day 1 vote.

Also I don't have any idea what you're talking about with me "clearly in BTSC". I think you've got that aluminum foil hat on a little too tight. When I say "power" of course I don't mean abilities. I'm stupid, but not that stupid. (Though I did watch the rain with my head tilted up and my mouth open as a child.)
I guess power wasnt the best word choice in hindsight, but I was rushing off to work. Think of it more as "regard" or "esteem".

"Scotty assumed everyone is vanilla like in previous game"
wtf? When did I say that? Oh, I didn't. Please don't put words in my mouth, Dom. I'm only a child at heart, not by intelligence or temperament.

It's true that I'm not used to this type of game, but I'm learning as I go.

Now I sleep. Good night, and most likely see you all for day 2 tomorrow when I get off work at 11p est

Thank you for this, Scotty. This I can get behind. I have done similar things myself, eliminated people i did not suspect, and randomized between those that pinged me. So it's random, but it's not.

And I DO know alot about recruiting in Mafia, and have thought about it alot. I have played all four of BR & LCs Recruitment games (including this one), and was a recruiter in two of them. I have played in maybe a dozen games where recruiting was a major element. Every game I have hosted has involved recruiting, although not like THIS game. I have also had amazing teams; teams where the BTS itself was so much fun, and so close to perfect, that I know EXACTLY what I want in a team, and I hope to get it every game. It's the main reason I tend to prefer baddie roles, becasue they come with BTSC, and this next team might be the one. Although, tbh, nothing is better than civvie BTS. My favorite game ever was Sword of Truth on The Piano; I was a civvie, Kahlan, and I recruited a player, Typhoony, and what he brought to the table totally changed the dynamic of the game. We lost, but it still was my best game, and I always am trying to recreate that atmosphere if I can. So yeah, I know what I am looking for in a recruit, and like Bea said, it should ALWAYS be people you think are smarter than you, lol.

Linki, ah charts.

I have a bunch of things to do today, then I have a D & D game this after noon, so I won't be around much. Toodles.

DrWilgy wrote:
S~V~S wrote: Linki, there are a lot of pointless comments going on, get used to it Wilgy, friend of Unfurl & MM. Although i am curious about why those specific people seem genuine enough to rate a remark.
Hmm... I'm trying to get used to it, but this one stands out to me. Immediately, no one benefits from this comment other than Tiny. Why say this now, and not wait until next day?

True. If I miss a vote, I generally remark about who I WOULD have voted for, not who I WOULDN'T. It at least creates a point of analysis for people. So I m missing the point of her post myself, tbh.

But we do talk at night here. And she has played here before. Perhaps you & Llama can form a cabal & purge her. As I said, I AM curious as to why those specific people have rated her trust.

DharmaHelper wrote:Can someone Cliff Notes what the fuck happened to give BWT the votes?

It rolled into town .... rolling rolling rolling ... keep them doggies rolling ..... rolling rolling rolling, bandwagon! Hopefully they caught the monster and not their neighbor.

Sometimes it's hard to say why people start waving the pitchforks & torches, they just do. BWT is a fairly easy Day One lynch. He doesn't have much of a filter (or he didn't used to, I forget what game but he surprised the crap out of me when he flipped bad) and he isn't around much to defend. Perhaps people who spend a lot of time on the internet don't like people with an active social life

Linki, there are a lot of pointless comments going on, get used to it Wilgy, friend of Unfurl & MM. Although i am curious about why those specific people seem genuine enough to rate a remark.

Off topic is still green Kadaj. Non player is blue. Nice to see you.

reywaS wrote:
Golden wrote:Oh, it's been established because there is one contest that I didn't enter?

That doesn't make sense, because if epi wins the contest I'm still not on his team. and I'm not going to be winning it.

Also, the recruiter still has control...

@JJ - I think he perceives a logical inconsistency in my posts where there is none, whereas I actually found a logical inconsistency in his posts which actually exists. I think any indicator that someone can't keep their thoughts straight is an indicator that their thoughts may not be genuine, and I see it as inherently negative.

@rey - having a dialogue with JJ regularly helps me interpret my own thoughts.
Are you serious? It's one specific recruitment, yes..but it sets a precedent. It tells us that the recruiters will not have 100% control over who they recruit every time. Therefore, you cannot be so sure that you will never end up on a team with Epig. FFS man. Are you really going to play this dumb on this?

Golden I have played all of them & Rey is 100% correct. We had control the first one or two recruits, but most of them were "submit a poem" or "submit a picture". Or " Write a paragraph telling us why you would be an amazing member of our team". And we picked blindly based on that kind of thing. When I was a civ recruiter, after the first 2 ( a group of 3) we did not know who we recruited, although we figured it out in some cases. When it was Rey & I recruiting in the third game, we had no idea who we were getting until we got the PM.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:What exactly is a "seemer"? I'm unfamiliar with this role/ability.

they show up in the post as a different role, usually a civ role. In one recruitment game, DH famously was revealed to be a non existent civ role. The civs made a lot of bad assumptions on that reveal.

linki x many

Bullzeye wrote:SVS hasn't exactly explained her beef with my post, but I'd already decided to give Unfurl the BOTD for now as I couldn't find any other reason to suspect her further than the one initial ping I had. Instead I shall vote for someone who hasn't contributed very much, if anything, to the game so far.

Sure I did. You sounded like you were looking to justify a vote for Unfurl. You brought her up a few times. Other than flirting with the BWT wagon, she was the extent of the baddie hunting you did, yet you proposed to vote for her for, essentially, her lack of baddie hunting. Meanwhile, several people have basically said, "I'm neutral, meh with alienating potential teammates."

Although not sure if Wilgy really just wants to be friends with Unfurl, or what

I wonder if aapje is going to change his vote to the next person who changes their vote, thus forcing him to self vote?

*hed asplodes*

Linki @Typh, not Tuph.

DrWilgy wrote:Just wondering.

Is there anything wrong with me wanting friends? Nothing more nothing less. Unfurl, I want to be friends with you due to me voting for you so quickly. I'm sorry about that. Players have vouched for you and I may have made a mistake. MM86 and I have played together already, and I can see us becoming good friends as well. That's why I chose them!

OK. I am curious about their opinion on this.

You did not answer me; what is the importance of whether or not I am an artist?

Linki @ Tuph, he is new to us, some of us have played part of a game with him at another forum.
Linki x many

Ricochet wrote:cue dramatic twist

DrWilgy wrote:I only got 1 response on my question about SVS. Its rather important, even more so than my other questions.

MM89, you me and Unfurl are all on a team now. Ok?
say what

yeah, he repeated the question for me, but did not reply to that part, lol.

No, I am not. I like art and I am crafty & have a good eye, but I am not good at actually creating things.

Why?

DrWilgy wrote:I only got 1 response on my question about SVS. Its rather important, even more so than my other questions.

MM89, you me and Unfurl are all on a team now. Ok?

?

What question? And what team is that, lol?

Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Boomslang is online now. I will not vote for Boomslang today.
I also recall Bullzeye being a strong contributor today. I will not vote for Bullzeye today.

Linki: speak of the devil.

Linki 2: you're off my list you.
I wouldn't have minded being on it, I just felt like you were lumping me in with a bunch of people who had less than 10 posts and it made me think you were saying I wasn't taking part.

Linki JJJ - That's basically what I mean. People who know her well agree with her defense to that one point so I want to see if there's anything else. I'd sort of forgotten her altogether until I saw her vote for MP just now. Having played quite a few games with Unfurl I've never really felt like I know her or her style all that well so I still might defer to the judgement of those wiser than me. Or I might not. We shall see.

You made this post yesterday AM (NY time):

Bullzeye wrote:
unfurl wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
unfurl wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: So what do you want to talk about?
I already talk what I wanted to talk about, I said my 2 cents and I feel good about it
Freedom of choice, everyone is free to talk about whatever makes then feel they are playing
Of course. That's why I asked what you wanted to talk about. If you didn't want to discuss low posters, then what did you want to discuss?

How do you propose we uncover a recruiter today?

Like I said I have no ide how to uncover a recruiter is finding a needle in a haystack, but maybe the people who talk a lot are able to find a solution :P
Are you going to try? I don't know how to find a recruiter either but I'm not going to just let other people do it for me. This post makes me feel like that's your attitude though.

It looks to me like you are trying to justify a vote for Unfurl. You just got mine

Scotty wrote:Spinning the old randomizer wheel before I leave for one my infamous 14 hour shifts today (help me).

I have a slight gut read that SVS has some power in this game, and I don't like it. So nothing against you, SVS, but you got my vote day 1.

If you mean I am not a vanilla that would be correct. I think only 2 or 3 of us are vanilla. If you mean you think I am a recruiter that would be incorrect.

Your gut has left me puzzled, Lol.

When the arguments in favor of lynching a specific person include picayune semantics like the use of but or because; or if they turn around fine points such as , did a person actually say something or was he just appearing to actually say something, sorry buckaroos, but I am not going there.

Unless Golden started out on someones short list, or is a recruiter himself, I don't see him applying for baddie positions in the various contests that the host is likely to have, based on prior experience with their games. I also think that, based on odds, he is as unlikley to have started out as a baddie recruiter as anyone else, 2 people out of 30ish? I know that if i was a baddie recruiter, I would not put Golden on an initial 3 person list because he has often said he strongly prefers being a civ, and I would not recruit someone who would be unhappy to be recruited, someone who would have preferred to be on another team. I know not everyone thinks like me, but I will assume that some do. So I think that the odds of Golden finishing the game as a civ or a neutral are somewhat higher than for most people. There are a lot of "ifs" in what I just said, and any of then could be wrong. The weakest link, imo, is the supposition that baddies would be less likley to recruit him. Perhaps if they were not as familiar with him as I am, or if they did not care about his preferences.

But for me, it is enough, and based on this I do not want to vote for Golden at this time.

Work calls even though we have an official flash flood warning where I live, so i am leaving a bit early. I hope not to see updates about DHs poop when I get back tonight

Roxy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
bea wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Typhoony wrote:Reywas / Roxy / Bea / any other original baddies from other RM games: Do you remember if you played differently than you normally would've when you were baddie leaders in RM 3?
When I was Jelly King Earl, Supreme Lord of Purpleosity (I think that was my role...but maybe I was just an early recruit to the jelly team? My memory is fucked..) my entire game plan was about fun maximization. I recruited solely based on how funny people's posts were. I don't think my in-thread play differed much (I'm always kind of a sarcastic/goofy asshole)...but I think I was definitely more engaged in the thread than was typical for me at the time
I don't know Typh. You were on my team. Do you think I played differently? I try to play the same from game to game. I do remember that Epi called out what happened with my role (I died early and was rezzed into a secret role.) And for awhlle I was able to brush it off but as more and more civ recruits were rezzed, it was more and more difficult to defend against the truth of Epi's argument. Killing him didn't help anything even though you and Tranq both though it was the right thing to do at the time (if I am remembering correctly). Eventually, I became as close to an outed baddie as I've ever been. So yea, my play was prolly pretty different when I realized there was nothing I could do to hide anymore.

still on like page 16...

I called out Roxy and S~V~S too.
Not before Nutella had called me out first

And I am fairly sure DH called me out first.

Please do.

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Like a cute little sitcom. Where's Bob Saget and Dave Coulier when you need them?
You're John Stamos????

Right.
I can play the guitar, kill roaches, and say "Have Mercy" like the best of them.
I think you're missing one very important piece of the John Stamos pie, there buddy-o.

S~V~S wrote:
Russtifinko wrote:10 pages?? Since this morning? I suppose I will still respond to the stuff I real earlier, though it's likely irrelevant right now. There's is just no way I manage to read up on all this tonight though, even if I really wanted to (and I only sort of do).
It's worth it. Especially the part about the fuzzy apricots.

@Dom, I think you make a good point about Bullz. I will read back.
SVS, what do you make of Golden's recent behavior-- especially his NO U on Rob?

The part where he said he wanted Epi dead or God help him felt fairly sincere to me, Golden being a lay preacher and all. As I said initially, Goldens original line of questioning to me did not feel that odd, although I did not love him mentioning specific people as examples.

I think that sometimes when you are frustrated it is easy to turn on your persecutor, especially if YOU perceive their argument to be ridiculous. But I really disliked him bringing up specific people as examples of what baddies might find desirable in a recruit.

And yeah, it's the hair.

Russtifinko wrote:10 pages?? Since this morning? I suppose I will still respond to the stuff I real earlier, though it's likely irrelevant right now. There's is just no way I manage to read up on all this tonight though, even if I really wanted to (and I only sort of do).

It's worth it. Especially the part about the fuzzy apricots.

@Dom, I think you make a good point about Bullz. I will read back.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Fuck x 9001, something's come up re: PhD and I'll probably be pulling an all-nighter tonight and possibly tomorrow night to get all of this shit done. I'm sorry, folks, but this absolutely has to come first.

I'm going to just go ahead and vote unfurl in case I can't come back in time. I know this is unlike me, but I'll be lucky enough to get this done even with not sleeping tonight. I'll catch up properly whenever I can, probably Saturday or Sunday.

unfurl? I look forward to hearing why.

Well, this is a repulsive turn of conversation.

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:That a good choice for a first lynch might be someone who has a reputation for surviving deep and not getting caught when bad, since a baddie might try to recruit someone that gave them the best shot at winning. Someone like DF or DP, for example, who frequently fly under the radar. Or someone like Typhoony or llama who can often survive deep on their wily skills by not being too civvish to NK nor too baddie-looking to get lynched.

But if I look at my own psyche, I'd probably just pick people who I felt I could have fun with too. Or that I really wanted to have btsc with because I hadn't yet, or something.

Golden wrote:I'm sorry, you don't give a damn about what question was asked? Then why was it the ENTIRE BACKBONE OF YOUR CASE!
No sir. This is the entire backbone of my case. It's not about what you asked, or S~V~S, or any of that. It's not about questions. It's that green and brown colored shit up there.

People can poo-poo it if they like. I think you are a recruiter based on THAT right there alone.

But do you have reason to believe he is a BADDIE recruiter specifically? Becasue two of the four are benign at worst, good at best.

Linki~ LARA Bars are pretty good.

Dried mangoes are very apricot-y. They lose some of the sour when dried.

DharmaHelper wrote:Any time Epi gets into it with someone who isn't me, I have a good time.

QFT

reywaS wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:I feel unreasonably sad that I am not hypothetically invited to be on the imaginary Tranq/Typh/TH/apples/SVS superteam.
I have been lucky in my BTS partners in the past, that's for sure. I would recruit any of those guys for both game related and personal reasons. Super competitive, smart, detail oriented and somewhat patient with me asking the same question for the 88th time, lol. Plus just fun guys to hang out with; I have never really had regualr BTS with aapje, but he has basically held my mostly stupid & uncomprehending hand throughout Aces D & D game patiently telling me week after week what my roll should be. I don't think I have ever won with Typh, and I only won with Tranq in Jurassic Park (where we used our lynch switch to save Nutella, a baddie on the other team, and got ALL of those guys lynched, lol, good times). But winning isn't everything.

I play Mafia to have fun playing hard. That said, if any of them are recruiting, they did not recruit me

@Golden, in the past, the recruit passed down. That's how I got it in the first game, the original recruited was NKed.
I have always counted Lost as a win even though the game never made it to the intended endpoint.

OMG, such a fun team

I was about to get boned there, so

but we were close. I think we talked more about ASOIAF than the game ha ha.And all of those ridiculous chatrooms & Room 23.

I will have to go back & reread DH. He seems to be the ironic, detached persona he has been for some time now. What am I missing?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If I was a recruiter, I would self-recruit every night.

Why do you all love being so... transparent.

Are you only going to vote for a transparent person?

DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Could you say why you'd pick those players specifically? The stated motive is what I'm tracking, though this post might make for nice reference material later.
Got em! JJJ is obviously a baddie tracker

I do hope I am color coding everything appropriately. A question for anyone, on average how long does it take before players start putting in their votes? Is the fact that I voted first when I did unsettling to anybody? If so, then why?

Generally, until recently, we could not change votes, so holding votes till closer to the end was more common. We do both styles now, unchangeable votes, and votes that can be changed. We still tend, overall, though, not to vote early & change often. It is still kind of suspicious, but with the influx of people from other communities, like yours, that perception is changing a bit. You don't know Unfurl, and our community is a bit differnt in that not all of us are as concerned with "solving the game" or playing the same way as each other. I think Unfurl has been acting pretty much like herself~ but you don't know that, so meh.

Day one often turns into a last minute clusterfuck.

original recruiteR *

Canucklehead wrote:I feel unreasonably sad that I am not hypothetically invited to be on the imaginary Tranq/Typh/TH/apples/SVS superteam.

I have been lucky in my BTS partners in the past, that's for sure. I would recruit any of those guys for both game related and personal reasons. Super competitive, smart, detail oriented and somewhat patient with me asking the same question for the 88th time, lol. Plus just fun guys to hang out with; I have never really had regualr BTS with aapje, but he has basically held my mostly stupid & uncomprehending hand throughout Aces D & D game patiently telling me week after week what my roll should be. I don't think I have ever won with Typh, and I only won with Tranq in Jurassic Park (where we used our lynch switch to save Nutella, a baddie on the other team, and got ALL of those guys lynched, lol, good times). But winning isn't everything.

I play Mafia to have fun playing hard. That said, if any of them are recruiting, they did not recruit me

@Golden, in the past, the recruit passed down. That's how I got it in the first game, the original recruited was NKed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
S~V~S wrote:No.

Walking into a thread with lots of people talking about you often does not bode well in my experience

Still looking for grasping straws, I see. Give up on Tiny Bubbles?
I'd like to know your precise stance on llama ASAP.

My precise stance on llama is pretty much the same as it always is. He can tell you, I am sure, but I don't recall the last time I voted for him when i was a civ. I think Llama plays Mafia for his own amusement, and I am not sure that even he believes that all of the silly, nitpicky reasons he suspects people are true. TBH, I am fairly sure that much of the time he does not. I visualize him saying some of the things he posts out loud, as he drinks his picture perfect scotch on the rocks, and giggling at us silly plebians.

I think that this makes Llama a hard read, but I also think that when he is civ, a bit more of an indignant tone creeps into his defenses (because Llama is always having to defend himself). When he's bad, he sounds a touch more ironic. His suspicions are somewhat more serious when he's bad as well. I have seen a tad more indignant here than irony; I do not think that at the time he said any of that Tiny Bubbles stuff that he was bad, and after him asking to be recruited by the baddies, I don't think he was recruited by the baddies, lol.

Is that specific enough? I am not sure I like to talk as much as you do, but I can go on when I try

I have just done a skim catch up, this is the furthest back I have gone. I will do more in depth after dinner.

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