The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:14 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:00 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:18 pm @Tranq Mind explaining your vote on me ?

Tranq has gone for the night as he said in his last post. He explained his vote for you in another post - have you read them? You haven't made any posts besides this one since Day 0 and it kinda feels like you are avoiding the game because you are posting elsewhere. S~V~S asked you your thoughts on the game but you haven't responded. It would be helpful to me if you would. I can see why Tranq voted for you and I could consider a vote here as well.

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I must have missed them then. I'm not really avoiding the game, I'm just a quiet player and don't post unless I have something to contribute. At the moment, I don't and that's why you haven't heard my thoughts. Also, S-V-S never mentioned me in a post or I didn't get the notification.

Me posting in another game and not in this one doesn't mean anything. You could always check that game and you'd see that I didn't post early in the game when I didn't have anything to add.

I tend not to use the mention function; this is my first game back for a 6 month or so break and we did not have it back them. I also work on the assumption that people read the thread. Sorry about that.

Not sure if you realized but the host in this game penalizes for missed votes.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:26 pmEdit~ Who DO you think would make a good lynch today?

i'm not sure. this game hasn't quite gotten it's gnarled claws latched into my brain stem yet.

but speedchuck really isn't on the list of priority lynches, he's a town-read for me. i don't really like any of the other vote recipients either but i think speed's lynch seems like the worst.

i have to get to guitar lesson but afterwards i'll spend more time answering your question on who we should lynch. this is a 2 lynch day and i think it's important we do this right. this could be a good opportunity to hit the mafia but it also has obvious potential for disaster. i don't want to take this phase lightly, i'll be back in an hour and a half.

Yeah you said that before about how you thought Speedchuck was a bad lynch. I am beginning to feel like a bad person for actually having suspects... in a Mafia game. Has having suspects gone out of fashion while I was not playing?

Edit~ Who DO you think would make a good lynch today?

Cool. You do you, I'll do me.

Do you have any suspicions or thoughts on the game?

Good point. I was just curious since you said you were going to do isos.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:02 pm i don't understand svs's issues with speedchuck

svs can you explain your suspicion?

Mostly gut, his suspicions feel manufactured, like he is suspecting people becasue he needs suspects. It's a tone thing; I do not believe him to be sincere.

You said you wanted to read Marmots posts to see why someone would kill him. Did you read any of the other NK victims posts to see why they might have been killed, or just
Marmot?

It's not fun being scary

As of right now Chuck is the lynch leader since he has a penalty vote (both Faraday and Juliets voted yesterday). Plus we lynch two, we need to keep that in mind.

I will be in and out of here most of the night, if anything new comes up of if a consensus comes up with a good plan.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:36 pm Yeah SVS it's true Speed never went after the Loop voters. He went after the people who missed the vote and then said they would have voted for Loop (or at least that was the case for Ambray... apparently Tranq voted but for rabbit and later said he would have switched to loop if he'd been around) but yeah to be fair you are kind of putting words in his mouth. I do find him suspicious for the other reasons you have pointed out though (his eagerness to jump on those players and his vote for juliets / general eagerness to find easy suspects)

My bad, I worded myself badly. I still think he is bad.

[mention]Ambray[/mention] I thought that too, to be honest. It was what made me reread him. He just feels ... like he is suspecting people just to suspect them, like he did with you and Tranq. I looked for the conversation he said he heard that Momma Bear in, but could not find it but I did find the one game where he and I played together, and it came up in there.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:19 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:16 pm What does being afraid of me have to do with it? I am not sure how to take that ha ha

I wish someone besides the three of us was talking, this is starting to feel surreal to be honest.

I've been playing surreal mafia all day. Anything with my interaction is going to feel off right now.

Scum players want to avoid suspicion, and are careful about it. Lapluie, on the other hand, sees you suspecting me for pushing the loop voters (which I never did) and then immediately goes and blatantly pushes the loop voters.

She like honey badger. She don't care.

No you actually did, I could see you gearing up for it.

And how do you know Wilgy would have been a mislynch?

What does being afraid of me have to do with it? I am not sure how to take that ha ha

I wish someone besides the three of us was talking, this is starting to feel surreal to be honest.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:08 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:01 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:57 pm I think DFaraday also voted for Loop

I am not talking about Loop, I am talking about the people who voted yesterday, and were thus not penalized.

Do you have any suspects?

Oh humm. .will look further into this, thanks

Everyone who did not vote in the last lynch has been penalized by the hosts, the penalty is starting today with one vote. Read the Lynch post.

Linki [mention]lapluie[/mention], that is a very good question.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:04 pm linki: See, that's what going after the loop voters looks like

In a less subtle way, perhaps

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:32 am Wow that's alot of dead people. And Timmer was Adam, presumably, and Marmot was non human. Killing him was kind of mean since he just got back. Wilgy was an odd choice as he had some suspish on him. I just looked at Who Posted, and Jack was not a low poster but I don't recall anything he actually said.

I Am still looking at lapluie, and a few other people got my eye, but I need to think about it. I go back to work today so will be on the quiet side until after 4 eastern.

Hello there, just flipped back. no none of them are participating in this game, however I'm more diligent on the other game right now that I've lost train of thought here, my apologies.

I'm not afraid to voice an opinion but as of right now, I will say we should look more into the loop mislynch voters, it's very duck soup to jump on a wagon especially on day 0 (?) with little to no evidence off a players behaviours for an easy quick lynch. I noticed a few players piled on before due time & im skeptical about that, for now ill be placing vote of DFaraday - I believe he voted for Loop also, his reasoning for vote was moot.

@DFaraday, you might want to come read this. Otherwise, I have no words here.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:57 pm I think DFaraday also voted for Loop

I am not talking about Loop, I am talking about the people who voted yesterday, and were thus not penalized.

Do you have any suspects?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:55 pm
Show me. Show me where I blamed those people, or mentioned them by name.

I haven't looked at the poll results. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IS WAS THAT LYNCHED... uh... (checks linki) LOOP!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:01 am My game is over and MK is close to over, so I'll be able to keep up now.

Should have just voted randomly yeesh.

Can someone TLDR me why Loop was lynched?

You seemed to know yesterday^^

Linki @ lapluie, I made a list of the people who voted yesterday, and I left sig off it in error. Everyone who did not vote starts the day today with 1 vote. Something we should keep in mind.

edit, oh and sig, he voted too.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:45 pm 2/3 of the day is gone and I am the only vote on the board.

Not anymore

These are the people who voted yesterday (everyone else starts today with a -1)

Illy, Nutella, Juliets, SVS, Faraday, Kyle, Lorab and Tranq (Loop and Timmer also voted, but they are dead).

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:43 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 5:22 pm You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person.

This is not something that I did, and you should know that.

I kind of think it is exactly what you did. I am going to leave a vote on you for now, the thread is small enough that I can reread some more and change it if I change my mind. I really do think you are forcing suspicions. You don't feel sincere to me.

Linki, thank you! I believe you!

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:59 pm I don't have time to catch up in this game tonight.

@Ambray, where should I vote?

Why are you asking Ambray specifically?

I don't see that you ever answered this, Chuck.

@Speedchuck, should you decide Juliets is maybe not the baddie you seek, who might your alternative vote be for?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:02 pm I'm placing a vote on Juliets until I have a reason not to.

I think her bad game is wafflier and more tentative than she is here. She doesn't enjoy lying, and you can see it.

You, Mr Chuck, are looking to me like a man in search of a suspect. You came in after the night all ready to be all traditional and stuff and lay the blame for the mislynch on the people who voted for that person. You looked to be trying to link Ambray and Tranqs posts about how they might have voted Loop as well, like they were BTS slips.

Now Juliets, when that did not pan out for you.

Between that and just my feel for you, how you backed down. It just doesn't feel genuine to me.

I have to reread that exchange again, and I want to read a few other people. I really REALLY REALLY want to hear from Lapluie, she HAS to have some thought by now, any thought. Also Vaseline, any thoughts?

Ambray wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:03 pm SVS - out of curiosity, have you been active on this site in past months? Not necessarily just playing mafia

No. I left in July, and had not been back since, until about a week and a half ago. Someone told me on Facebook that I had gotten a Socky, and I came in to say "Thanks". I started talking to a soooper persuasive friend, it was a BR/LC game, Tranq and rabbit were playing ... so yeah, lol.

My last post was mid July. I might have lurked around a few days past that in the mod forums, but if I did it wasn't very long after that.

Why?

Also home shortly, will catch up.

I am not concerned with Caleb at all, other than the possibility of lynching someone by mistake. Like in my example, we lynch person #3 who isn't someone most of us think is bad. Although Caleb would have to be one of the people with the most votes for it to matter so meh.

That would be feasible re Darla, but we would have to be careful since several people start out today with votes. On phone at work, so someone else will have to determine who has a no vote day one penalty vote.

ebwop, although I wasn't counting this, which also complicates the issue:

Black Rock the mighty Hostess says: With just over 50 percent of voters, punishments will apply. +1 vote on day 2 to any player who did not vote.

So alot of people already have votes. Ugh.

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:34 am I quoted that post of her because i hadn't seen you reply directly to it. Looking through her posts, it looks like she is being more active in another game right now which may explain her non-thoughts in this one.

With Caleb, if he has -5 votes and with 2 players lynched i don't think Caleb can get enough votes to be lynched today.

After 2 days? She is posting, she was one of the top posters on Zero, but she isn't saying anything. I just looked and right now she is the 7th poster, but has not had one real opinion. But what you say is possible, I am not sure I buy it, though. I really would like to see an opinion from her. The same goes for Vaseline.

And re Caleb I am not worried about lynching him, what I mean is this (hypothetical scenario):

We are 15. Let's say Person 1 gets 6 votes, and Person 2 gets 6. Person 3 has 2 and Person 4 has 1. If Caleb is either person 1 or 2, then Person 3 gets lynched. So we need to be careful about vote spreading for that reason, and not make a lot of statement or tangent votes.

Aww the didn't work.

One last thought, we need to be super careful due to Calebs role about doing too much vote spreading.

Caleb - Caleb is a human who has been supernaturally endowed with power by the First Evil, whom he serves. Once each night, he can choose one of four abilities: cast a misinformation aura, causing all info roles to give false results; protect himself; give himself -5 votes in the following lynch; use the power of a dead player. Caleb must use each of these abilities across each four-night period.

linki, Yes, given my last post where I say "I am still looking at lapluie", I am still looking at her :P I think her answers sound like someone who is trying to avoid having an opinion, especially ythat answer you quoted. What I said to her about why people might vote for Loop is actually my opinion of lapluie herself to some extent. I wish I had a bad game of hers to reference. She said two people on this site had played with her previously; are either of them playing this game?

But I have not voted for her as of yet becasue I think for the reason ^^ we need to try to come to somewhat of a group consensus on two people if possible. Knowing tonight was a two person lynch it would be a good night for Caleb to use his vote manip.

Wow that's alot of dead people. And Timmer was Adam, presumably, and Marmot was non human. Killing him was kind of mean since he just got back. Wilgy was an odd choice as he had some suspish on him. I just looked at Who Posted, and Jack was not a low poster but I don't recall anything he actually said.

I Am still looking at lapluie, and a few other people got my eye, but I need to think about it. I go back to work today so will be on the quiet side until after 4 eastern.

Any thoughts about the game lapluie?

LoRab said she was voting the Master, but didn't actually vote.

Her analysis helped me because I have not seen this in ages. So gonna follow her and vote the Master.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:05 pm I feel like I'm confronting a hivemind.

"I don't suspect those voters."
"I don't suspect those voters."
"I would have voted loop too."
"I don't suspect those voters."
"I would have voted loop too."
"I would have voted loop too."
"Is that suspicious to you?"
"Why don't you want to discuss things?"
"Would you rather them have said the opposite?"
"Why aren't you satisfied?"


Someone save me!

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ebwop, Actually, it looks like everyone who VOTED at all was from the same Mafia culture, except sig.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:49 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:43 pm I defended against it as well. Do you think discussing lynch results is suspicious?

You are straw-manning my questions for no reason. Of course I don't think discussing results is suspicious.

But sure, I'll include you. I think having three people jump in and defend people on the loop wagon unprompted is weird. I think the way that Ambray, Tranq, and you worded it is weird. I, myself, do not see the lynch as reason to suspect the Loop voters. But I wouldn't say that unless asked, or if there were people campaigning to lynch the Loop voters. It's a non-statement, a dismissal of an argument that wasn't being made. And it's not hunting.

So I'm opening up a line of dialogue/pressure/suspicion on Tranq and Ambray, and your mother bear instincts have included you.

What prompted you to defend the Loop voters?

First, I am not straw manning anything, that is how you are acting in my opinion. You may think I am mountain/molehilling, but you don't know me very well. Minutiae is my thing

And the defense is because only 11 people voted, they voted for a reasonable reason and discussing results like this is also normal. "Oh, that's too bad, I would have done it too". It is a statement of whether or not you find the people who voted to mislynch a person suspicious. Plus it would appear that all of the people who did vote for Loop were from the same Mafia culture.

Plus, if I am going to be honest, it annoyed me a tad that someone who missed the vote is seeming to be trying to make a something out of a nothing. Totally no offense meant . Just being honest. And yeah, Momma Bear. We did not play much together; I am surprised you are aware of this aspect of my personality.

Linki @ Tranq, not off hand. I seem to recall that tying in their games was bad, but could I be thinking of someone else?

... unless the vote hider is one of the people in the tie.

I defended against it as well. Do you think discussing lynch results is suspicious?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:12 pm

Ambray wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:06 pm I don't think there was anything too suspicious of the Loop voters because there were valid reasons. Tbf, my vote probably would've ended there also.

Tranq wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:08 pm I don't see anything wrong with the Loop voters, and probably would've switched mine aswell had i been around.

Methinks thou doth protest/mindmeld too much.

No, seriously, are you answering a question here? Because I don't see it being asked, and these posts sound more like excuses and justifications than observations or reads.

What's wrong with people who voted discussing how they would have voted after a mislynch? It would be suspicious had they said they would NOT have voted for him. Like I said, had he not been lynched yesterday, I likely would have voted for Loop tomorrow if he kept up the same behavior.

This:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 9:30 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:14 am What the heck was the reason for lynching loop

Drive by voting is generally considered a baddie tell. Some people hate being baddies, and are almost afraid to post. I played once with a woman who was petrified of posting when she was bad, and she basically gave up before the game even started; she threw in the towel when she got her PM. There might be other reasons for drive bys being bad, but "I don't know what to say" is generally not a civvie thing. I would have liked to have given him another day, but had he continued in that vein, I prolly would have voted for him tomorrow rather than for you again.

Have any thoughts on the game?

And becasue only 11 people voted, and there was barely any discussion.

ebwop, I think the people who voted for him were pretty clear; did you read their posts explaining why they voted for him?

lapluie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:14 am What the heck was the reason for lynching loop

Drive by voting is generally considered a baddie tell. Some people hate being baddies, and are almost afraid to post. I played once with a woman who was petrified of posting when she was bad, and she basically gave up before the game even started; she threw in the towel when she got her PM. There might be other reasons for drive bys being bad, but "I don't know what to say" is generally not a civvie thing. I would have liked to have given him another day, but had he continued in that vein, I prolly would have voted for him tomorrow rather than for you again.

Have any thoughts on the game?

Fixed

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:07 am Jackofhearts2005 The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn Jackofhearts2005

But didn't that happen in the original game? Willow went bad? I did not play the original game, but I heard about it. Do you think this is a Black Rock game and all the mechanics are public?

[quote=nutella post_id=404172 time=1517807235 user_id=262]
Jackofhearts2005 The Willow role does not have any secrets. We literally know the effect Tara's death has on her. It's just that two people will be lynched. She doesn't turn [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

But didn't that happen in the original game? Willow went bad? I did not play the original game, but I heard about it. Do you think this is a Black Rock game and all the mechanics are public?

As a New Yorker my favorite team in the NY team and my second favorite team is whichever team is playing Boston. So I am at peace.

Also Super Bowl Sunday.

Loop also voted for Wilgy.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:13 pm Faraday, wasn’t Pixar your first game on LP? That game started with a poll exactly like that, where we had to figure out the civvie option.

I can't believe you remember something like that. I went and looked at that game, and I'm amazed at the difference from then to now. Just look at this post and see the multiple players plying the host for information... and the host just hands it out like that! Fun times. You don't get to know what the Night 0 poll means until Black Rock decides it's time. Maybe even endgame.

Faraday and I were teammates that’s why I remember it. I will check out the quote when not on phone.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:31 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:13 pm Faraday, wasn’t Pixar your first game on LP? That game started with a poll exactly like that, where we had to figure out the civvie option.

Was that the game where someone (who was it?) drew the picture with the different options of where to drive? I'm totally laughing remembrering this. But, yes, definitely options in that game.

It was Tranq iirc.

Faraday, wasn’t Pixar your first game on LP? That game started with a poll exactly like that, where we had to figure out the civvie option.

You voted for someone to see how they reacted, sig.

And if LoRab is right about the options (and knowing these hosts it is very possible) that's a very valid reason for a vote. Making a drive by vote for a dubious poll choice isn't really a great look.