The Syndicate

Boomslang wrote:

timmer wrote:Boomslang, the Nevin thing is a bit subtle, but the host has essentially proven bwt is Meat Boy. Saying bwt isn't cleared just means you aren't paying attention.

Gah, I knew that. Excuse me for getting lost in two threads and exchanging players and the host not updating the player list with the revealed info, like he did for when Lizzy got brought back as Mycroft. Ok, so I was wrong there. The Nevin thing is "subtle." Care to enlighten me?

No. You have to hit me over the head with a brick for me to notice role subtleties~ and I saw it. Read back.

And re my targets, the first time, night one, both of my original targets have since died, and neither came up as a civ. The second they are both alive, one I trust implicitly. The other is on my "?" list, but MP seems to be saying that only one would redirect, so that point is moot.

@Lizzy~I could go with your list. And something good happened for me a while ago, something caused by Bea at that time. It happened again last night

I will be back in tons of time for the poll (9:54 PM my time) and will keep up with the thread during the day (just won't post much at work on phone).

Well like i said, i will not vote for Bea, I am not sure which role she is, but something she did, I don't see a baddie doing it. Cryptic? Yes. But it is what it is.

timmer wrote:SVS, why do you trust Nevinera? I was reading back through your posts snd saw that, but I'm wondering if it is something you can discuss?

I cannot discuss it. I can say that it has nothing to do with anything that happened in the night, it is totally based on the thread. It might be productive for you to read the page or two (I am set at 40 ppp) before this post:

S~V~S wrote:EBWOP~ Since we got bea back, i think this last cyle was a good thing, it was incredibly illuminating all around. A lot of things clicked into place for me, as well as for some others, i think.

I had not really trusted Nevin before that cycle myself, but the numbers but it into perspective for me.

Now really, good night

Well, Bea did something that makes me find it exceedingly unlikely had she had bad teammates. Lizzy perhaps might get my point.

So i look forward to seeing what the rest of everyone has to say especially the people on the "blendy, dunno" list.

I am off to finish my reread of Good Omens, which is probably going to be my next full game. Neil Gaiman FTW

Nevinera wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Yup! I am abstaining from voting for the same people.

If I had to pick someone on that list (and obviously I do in the next 24 hours), I'd say Boomslang? It's Day 11 and I feel he's been chronically UTR. Is he usually a low poster? I get his methodology mixed up with Bullzeye, honestly, which is silly since they are from two different countries.

linki - Nev - I am not following you - a civ-friendly indie? A very astute civ ninja?

I'm not sure what you're asking about.

I was kinda "?" about that as well, I think she means was referring to this post:

Nevinera wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Anyone that I was even mildly suspicious of is now dead. I don't even know where to begin.

I think there might be a good reason for that.
Holy damn.

if not, i am lost, lol~

What are your opinions on the others? This is how I work it out in my head, i just bang out short opinions, stream of consciousness kind of thing. Don't pick one out, what do you think of them all?

What is your opinion on these people:


Boomslang, DFaraday, Elohcin, Flyin' High, Hedgeowl, Spacedaisy, Timmer

For me it's blendy, blendy, blendy, dunno, dunno, blendy until today, gives me the willies, but people I trust say i am mistaken.

Well, do what i did. Look at the poll, and decide who you will NOT vote for. Then look at everyone else. You are on my list, BTW, becasue i cannot rule you out, and you are crafty But tbh, you are not high on said list.

I have very good reason to trust Bea~ I am not going to vote for her. I am also not voting for Nevin, or Lizzy or BWT. That leaves:

Boomslang, DFaraday, Elohcin, Flyin' High, Hedgeowl, Mongoose, Spacedaisy, Timmer.

Those who are better at explaining why Person X is Role Y than I am (not my Mafia forte) tell me who on that list is likely to be good.

timmer wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

timmer wrote:Lizzy fwiw, in regards to your comment wondering if zodac got any information about the allegiance of the players who went to the red room, I have a feeling that that is moot. I could obv be wrong but I think zodac was among those who left us yesterday. ..

I'm fairly sure that is not the case.

Also, Nev - you are right! Derp! He'll probably find out at the end of this night. Fingers crossed.

Orly? Well, I've been wrong about a lot of things in this game, so if I'm wrong about that too I guess that gits. That changes my thoughts about a departed player...hmm.

Yes, I agree with Lizzy here re Zodac~ the tension is killing me, lol~

I was thinking, maybe the Red Room is just temporary? Like all the game phases were temporary? so those people may come back? Not sure how that would work, though, but it is a thought. Cause if they can kill all of those people, then what is the point of THIS thread?

My post up there is in reply to this, i somehow missed a page of posts when i first got up.

Mongoose wrote:Nev - Couldn't there be a switcharoo type role out there? That can change around players' targets? If so, that could have affected bea, causing her to kill herself. I also thought she might be a role that involved eating. OR: there's a role that redirects one player's action onto another. We figure, due to Dev's really great articulation btw, that there might be an unlisted role (best evidenced by the fact that there is +1 role in the Red Room. If so, maybe that person has a switcharoo or redirect power.

So yeah, since I am already outed i see no problem with discussing this. Twice the people who got my contest were people other than those I chose. DH got his right (Epi was supposed to be his compliment buddy, but he died that night) and Llama/Devin were correct. Night one was MUCH more subtle, so i don't know if it went through, but I do know it was retargeted. And like i said, Timmer/BWT was originally supposed to be someone else.

Not sure if this helps or makes things murkier.

Ebwop the night I died the first time, night one.

We? I must have missed the speculation on this. And there us a redirect role. I was redirected twice, the night I died, and the night Timmer and BWT (who did not even try) got haiku-ed .

He answers questions in the thread, too

Linki~ this was to Tim, re his opinion on DH.

I have nothing against checking it, i don;t think we should base votes on it until we see what happens there.

And I think I can say the same thing about Nevin~ i won't entertain votes for him.

I think i will be there before you, lol~ assuming we all go there. Not sure if that will happen. We'll see.

I am not gonna try hard to lynch Tim or anything, he just pinged me today. His reactions to Nevin, his reliance on the other thread (where we have no clue what may happen) for making voting decisions, etc. Someone asked who I would vote for, I told them

DharmaHelper wrote:I dunno if you've gone wrong, I just don't necessarily agree.

So why the big lulz face at me saying that? I thought it was something so obvious, I overlooked it.

And my own experiences in this game tell me there are ways for things to happen not shown in the roles.

Actually, I got a cozy feel from Timmer and you, tbh.

Timmer, DH. Where did I go wrong? Tell me.

Mongoose wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I have never heard her take that tone when bad, without it also being kinda campy as well as bossy, lol.

ungranted I'm picturing us all in Rocky Horror outfits.

I could picture Bad bea as magenta~

Nevinera wrote:Wish SVS had premonstration me something trocar. I trust her viands anglicize verticity swartliness for this sort of tup.

Nevin, I am sorry. I read up this AM, kept up somewhat during the day by phone, and thought I would have plenty of time to post tonight, getting home about an hour after the poll ended. Epic "reading a 3 as a 6" fail

I started out today thinking of a vote for BWT. I ended thinking of a vote for...someone else. Not bea, her post to DH got my attention becasue she was taking a hectoring tone with DH (<3 Bea, you know what i mean, the little smiley with the rolling pin at HV, not sure what softer word to use than hectoring, vocabulary fail). Her content felt bad to me, but her TONE was civ Bea all over. I have never heard her take that tone when bad, without it also being kinda campy as well as bossy, lol. So I don't know that i think she is bad, but i don't know that I agree with her suspicions.

The civvier DH acts, the more nervous he makes me. But that is my failing, not his. If he flips bad i am gonna kick myself. It is just really hard for me to NOT visualize him rubbing his hands together and saying "Bwa ha ha" every game, lol.

Timmer got my attention somewhat today, and i intend on reading back on him. I asked him a direct question, and he was the next person to post after me, ten minutes later, and he did not even acknowledge it. Plus some of the stuff he said to nevin got me somewhat perplexed. I am looking forward to nevin being able to talk so I can get his take on that conversation.

Depending on how this lynch goes, I may have to reevaluate my opinions on some people. Regardless of her affiliation, I saw some opportunistic votes on Bea the other day, and I saw some opportunistic votes on BWT today.

Linki @ Mongoose~ prolly Timmer. I really did not like a lot of his content today. I would have been OK making a vote for him based on something so flimsy since he was under no suspicion in general otherwise.

When I checked it earlier I thought it said 6:41

Sorry

timmer wrote:The lack of votes is pretty bad. This may end up in Zodacs hands.

I could get behind a bwt vote, bea, but he looks like he may get yanked to the redroom as well...

So? Do we know for sure what their thread even means? I think we should vote suspicions, and let s worry about the Red Room when we know for sure what they are actually doing.

bea wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

bea wrote:and now knowing that he was Thomas with the +3 vote, how does that, if at all, change how you think of his votes? Because it felt a little like you were trying to set him up for something. Misguided civ or whatevs. But he was Thomas. And while he had his plus vote he also had a bts partner that wasn't me.

Set him up? Nah, you asked for his vote order so I provided. It does make me feel better about Eloh tho.

I did ask for it - and thank you for providing it as near as I can tell. I'm pretty positive you missed all the times he didn't vote, and I'm pretty sure those were important as well. For *many* reasons.



why does it make you feel better about elo?

I have been reading back on all of this ruckus~ and tbh, Bea, I think you made a bigger production out of this than DH did. He mentioned something in passing that i did not even notice until you forced him to clarify it.

As for my opinion on JC~ the case is basically circumstanial, yes? IF Epi was PP, IF Kate was BD/B. I am not so sure if i subscribe to one of those two suppositions. So I am not willing to condemn someone becasue of it. JCs defenses have rang sincere to me, without the "poor silly me" tone she gets when she is defending as a baddie. I could be a zillion percent wrong, but that is my feeling on JC.

I guess i am not loving the focus on one team, one issue. Too many non-teammates must have voted for her. One brick in the wall, OK, the biggest brick, i am not convinced.

I don't think a vote for Kate automatically makes one bad. Looking at the size of the teams, more non teammates of hers voted for her than teammates, if they all did, which i doubt.

Sorry so quiet, busy weekend, and just got out of D & D, will catch up and bbl.

Wow, i am alive

I can confrm that up to now, there was no deadie thread 9or if there was, i was unaware of it). That looks like a rough crowd in there

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

S~V~S wrote:and according to Devin, it IS a lie. And Devin & I may spar, but I believe him.

Despite this great lynch result I did not say that it was a lie. llama was 100% telling the truth about this. You jumped on him about lying as soon as I made my post.
I hate being called a lier, and when someone else is being called a liar I will fight to the death for them if I know they are telling the truth.

1- I was NOT calling HIM a liar. I said he was telling a lie, which as mafia players, we do. he was NOT telling the truth.

2- Did it occur to you that I may have had my own ways of knowing he was lying, and my questioning of you was to confirm it?

3-I was not bullying him, he did not need defending.

Your post did not lead to that assumption, Llama did.

Short and sweet still not home, voting Llama.

timmer wrote:I think one of these
is rump: faraday, hedgeowl,
Mongoose, juliets.

This is interesting; why that specific role?

I am hoping to hear from BWT~ I know he had some suspicion, and i really want to hear his opinion of what happened in the night posts.

I mainly ask becasue BWT posted in the other game, but not in here.

Linki~ Yeah, i think so, based on the crap that went down at the beginning. I think llama just likes being in the limelight.

Is there a silenceer in this game? I have not seen one, i was curious if i had missed it.

oh well, lol, I felt involved in for a while

I meant in the baddie teams, there is speculation he can be Fetus, right?

And she is saying that for the same reason Nev has, waste of time factor. She thinks the baddies/indies are gonna kill each other.

BigDamnHero wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Also, let's assume we know that llama is Cohen for a second. You are right, I misremembered his lynch survival as a NK survival. But that would leave him with 1 protection left. Would it be better to get rid of that now or later when there are fewer players left?

Linki: Exactly

IF Llama were actually Cohen, is he really that much of a threat? Yes, eventually he would have to be dealt with, but he has no NK ability or poses any other physical threat, whereas he has the only dead rolecheck ability which could prove useful if we could get him to cooperate.

Do the kills pass? Then as a living baddie, he's a threat. Although i would be willing to give him the pass should that be the consensus. I would like to know where BWT is? I would like to hear his opinion of all of this, tbh.

No, it means I must be trusting some people i shouldn't be~ I tend to totally trust one or two people, and put about half of the rest of the people in the "?" category, with the other half in the "no way" category, and that is not the case here. Which makes me nervous. Usually the "No Way" group has more people than the "OK" group.

EBWOP~ Since we got bea back, i think this last cyle was a good thing, it was incredibly illuminating all around. A lot of things clicked into place for me, as well as for some others, i think.

Well, the hard to lynch baddies have to be killed sometime, and the other baddies/killers are unlikely to do it since while we are busy lynching the same guy a few times, we aren't lynching them.

At this point, i am seeing more civvies than baddies, and THAT is bad.

I think it might be profitable to read the people who have been kissing up to Nevin.

This is not a discussion of you.

I would go with Occams razor, Nev~ I am sad Bea died. Unlike you, I do think she was a civ. I waffled before last night, but my experiences in this game tell me she was. I am glad, though, for another reason; before i could see what you were laying down, but i was not sure how i felt about it. Now I am.

I will not support a lynch of you, but i won't support one of BDH either.

Nevinera wrote:If anyone other than BDH has any questions for me I will be delighted to answer them as far as I'm able.
Or if he wants to ask any real ones, or make a real case of course I'll reply to that.
But I'm not really interested in trying to answer random mud slinging without any arguments or logic.

That is your game play style, but it is not everyones.

Once MP had an entire hidden baddie team that was not in the secrets, mechanics or anywhere. They were just an actual secret. He has secret event style mechanics, and trigger mechanics that are not usually in the role list. Just becasue you don't see something in the roles, does not mean it does not exist.

Logical? Perhaps not. True? Most likely. I understand why you came up with the theory; you are having a problem understanding how this could be, and a theory like that would explain the numbers. But it is what it is.

Bea, this makes me sad

And Thank You

So no more Jack-pointing, eh?

Why am I not surprised they tried to kill me, lol?

Nevin, the "Host restoring balance" scenario stretches credulity a bit. BDH is a straight shooter; were such a scenario true, he would not have made the post he made. He would have removed himself from the game.