The Syndicate

I agree.

I am sorry if me doing me causes unhappiness for others. And unicorns & flowers are awesome.

I am who I am LC; I don;t try to tell you you or your game are wrong or incorrect. It is possible for people to read your posts and still think you are bad. That does not make them bad Mafia players.

I am sorry if me playing my game as myself, for myself, is upsetting to you.

And re nobility; I know it isn't a factor in winning Mafia games. That was kind of my point. It isn't whether you win or lose,it's how you play the game. I think that is an important concept.

And for the last time,my suspicion of you had EVERYTHING to do with your posts, and your actions, and your role as the lore portrayed it to be, not my fancies. As I said,I thought you were bad. It's Mafia, it happens.

EBWOP, HOW you win is important imo. I have had wins that were ashes in my mouth, and I have had losses that were amongst my favorite games (like SOT, or BSG) becasue I played my hardest and had fun doing it.

I am here to have fun with friends; winning is good, but playing a good game is my primary objective.

Long Con wrote:Well, I said I would "adjust" my expectations, not "lower". My former expectations were that I would be part of the game by making posts and people would read them and that their responses would indicate that they were understood or not. I was disappointed many times by the fact that this was clearly not happening, so to avoid disappointment in the future, I'll go in with the mentality that people really won't be that likely to read my posts. Then, IF it happens that my posts are read, I'll be pleasantly surprised instead of disappointed. I'd like that better.

The way this applies to you personally would be that I was pretty clear what I meant by "roleplaying" during the game when I accused you of it, here for instance, and here. Then you say "I am not even sure what you mean when you say this", and it's just more evidence of what I'm talking about in the first paragraph. You were conversing with me without reading my posts, and the things that I tried to communicate to you were not received by you as a result.

You were introducing concepts to the game that have no relevance at all to a Mafia game, like saying "bullying is not Civvie behaviour". That kind of thing has no correlation with the achievement of any Win Condition in the game of Mafia; that is your personal fanciful idea that Civvie players are the heroes of the story, and that heroes act nobly and generously by their nature. Roleplaying.

I read your posts. I thought you were bullshitting

And we each have our own way of playing. Yours is not any more valid than mine, or anyone elses. For me win cons are only part of the equation, and that is always the case. To be honest, some of my least favorite playstyles are the ones that make achieving win cons their priority, becasue there is so much more to this game. And I DO think bullying is not civ behavior. I don't think it should be bad behavior either, but I loathe it when civvies do shifty things just to win, or mean things. Perhaps we are using different definitions or role play. If that is your definition, then I am sorry, that is what I do.

The good guys SHOULD be noble. I believe that with all my heart. The bad guys SHOULD be shifty. The SK SHOULD be insane. Well, maybe not that one. But you get my drift.

Again, this coems down to playstyle. And I have always had this playstyle. Remember SOT when the Keeper recruited me as a Meat Puppet? A lot fo people got mad atme, but I acted as I felt Kahlan would have acted in that scenario. So maybe you're right and it is roleplay. But each of us decides what is appropriate in our own game, not in each others.

This is my game, and it pretty much always has been. I am sorry if you do not like it, but it is how I play,and I think it DOES have a place in a Mafia game and it is relevant.

So are you saying that you have to lower your expectations in order to deal with me thinking as I think?

Also the "railroading" thing was poorly worded on my part; you seem to be thinking I did this on purpose, and I did not. I kinda think you are overreacting, and maybe I did not want to say that. I mean that when I said what I said about you & my suspicions of you, I believed what I believed, and I acted on it. It was not an intentional push to remove you regardless of role. I wanted to remove your role.

I would have wanted to remove your role if I was a civ.

LC, it was not roleplaying. That is why I have not talked about; I am not even sure what you mean when you say this.

I thought you were bad, I had reasons for thinking so, and I posted and acted on them. You are acting like we are still playing and you are trying to trick me into admitting something. There is nothing to admit. I thought you were bad. In all sincerity.

Long Con wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con, I felt your reasoning for interfering with the process DrumBeats had laid out looked more like a cheap excuse to interfere than an honest concern -- even if it might have been "logical" on the surface. Even baddies are logical sometimes, especially me.

All I expect is that, when I put something forward that is undeniably logical, that my fellow logic-appreciating players acknowledge that the logical move is usually the smarter move. I don't think that's too much to ask. Instead, I mostly got ignored, despite laying out in extremely simple terms why it was smarter to protect ourselves. If DrumBeats' plan had ended up being a baddie thing, then I would have practically been the only one to attempt to stop him, and he would have been gloating at the end of the game that everyone was a fool to follow along with his plan. It's pure luck that it didn't end up that way - I prefer to tone down the 'luck' and go with ideas that eliminate the possibility of baddie control. I guess not everyone feels the same way.

But that isn't how *I* play. I don't play a logical game. So we are all different.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Long Con, I felt your reasoning for interfering with the process DrumBeats had laid out looked more like a cheap excuse to interfere than an honest concern -- even if it might have been "logical" on the surface. Even baddies are logical sometimes, especially me.

But whatever, game's over. People were wrong about things. People were right about things. Mafia.

This. I will apologize to you if it makes you feel better LC, but I don't really think I did anything wrong. At the time I thought your impassioned pleas were impassioned bullshit because this is Mafia and bullshit each other is what we do. The last thing it was was personal, about you or about me. It was about how I perceived your behavior.

I have been INTENTIONALLY railroaded tons of times in games, not unintentionally like you were, and that is part of the game. Ask G Man, I fervently believed everything I said about you. You can't take it like I did anything wrong cause I don't think that I did.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:LC, I would have done exactly the same thing I did if I were a civ. That is why I always get suspected when I am a civ and not as much when I am bad,paradoxically. Most of the time I leap before I look either way. My thoughts on you had nothing to do with my affiliation, and everything to do with yours

No one is questioning or disputing that.

This is what I want to know:

Long Con wrote:

John Cavil wrote:It never occurred to you to question why I barely fought back? Or why I was so sure LC was trying to be lynched?

Why did you say this after I was already dead? What purpose does this lie serve?

You acted like your role had some knowledge that everyone else didn't have. Why did you imply that you had some knowledge that I was "trying to be lynched", especially since I was already dead at the time?

I did not imply knowledge, and what I said here has no bearing on when you were alive. What I said here WAS manipulation, but it was after you died. When You were alive I said what I said cause I thought it was true

I thought you were trying to get lynched to set up civ cred for yourself. When very early in the game you drew attention to trhe roles, you said to be on the lookout for a lynch when the person with the second most votes is the one lynched, a civvie role. I don;t recall which offhand. I thought you were trying to look like you were hinting that YOU were that role, when I doubt you would do so were you really that role. Then when it looked like you were getting lynched, it looked to me like you did not care; like you knew you would not be lynched, as I said at the time.

In retrospect, that appears to be true, seeing the role secrets revealed.

I understand your frustration, but it is easy to tend to think that anyone who does not see you the way you see yourself is becasue they are bad, and in this case, while I WAS bad, it had no bearing on my perception of the situation. I would 100% acted exactly the same when I was NOT bad.

I thought you were trying to get lynched for faux cred, and I thought your role was bad news for me and for everyone else. I thought any role (not *you*, your role) that could just change everyones win cons & take the win away from civvies could not be a good thing. Especially in retrospect, when more cylons were good than bad.

I am somewhat perplexed this game when I think I played a very soft bad game that so many people are upset with me for playing the hand I was dealt, tbh.

LC, I would have done exactly the same thing I did if I were a civ. That is why I always get suspected when I am a civ and not as much when I am bad,paradoxically. Most of the time I leap before I look either way. My thoughts on you had nothing to do with my affiliation, and everything to do with yours

Nerolunar wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And I was a baddie opportunistically benefiting from someone elses misfortune

As baddies often do.

Your tone in BTSC crept me out so much lol. I felt pressured, didn't know if I should lie or go straight to the truth. Lying didn't work out after all though

Ha ha ha, I was trying very hard to sound *not* like me, and since I don't *think* I normally creep people out I guess I succeeded.

Plus BTS was hard before I was outed; I tried very hard to log in as little as possible and at times when very few were on. So I wrote generic messages and cut & pasted them into all the chatrooms as fast as I could, like the last one I sent about not killing any cylons. So I sounded rather vague most of the time, I think. Which probably added to the "creepy" thing.

I was going for menacing, yet fatherly, since my interpretation of Cavil was that he had that feel for his "people". Like the civvie cylons were weak & misguided, but I still loved them anyhow, and did not want to box any of them unless I had to.

And I was a baddie opportunistically benefiting from someone elses misfortune

OK, G-Man told me he did time travel, too. So Number 5 won.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Which one won? Who was the judge?

DrumBeats won - Alex was the judge.

Sophie judged the cylon one, but I can't remember who won that one (Polo, maybe?)

I mean which was the winning story?

Which one won? Who was the judge?

You're not mad are you?

indiglo wrote:All this talk makes me even sadder I didn't get to play the game longer.

Golden, those prophecies were great! They would have been really helpful!

Also, (I think) sig - thanks for passing that Wills of the Dead Act. It was awesome to be able to participate, even if it was only 25 words every 72 hours or so!!!

When I was passing laws, I basically chose all the laws I thought would actually affect the game the most. I got the Haiku act, one about giving compliments, and a couple other ones that were kind of "silly", so each time (all 2 of them lol) I just picked whichever law I thought would have the most impact on game play. I looked at it from a host point of view... and as a host I like to impact game play. That was an awesome role power! But it looks like the 2 airlocks were taken away from my role power before I got the role. Bummer, I would have loved to shove a couple people out an airlock.

I also finally figured out JJJ was The Admiral, after the admiral started asking people to get more involved and all that. Total 3J - Your mascot status remains fully intact, my friend!

You were civving so hard, plus you trusted me. And my partner wanted your job, running the sorties. But then RL bit his butt, so he never did pick it up before Dex came in and took it over.

And yeah, 3J was a fairly obvious Admiral. In the end, I was better than 75% spot on on who I thought was who, but it did not helpme in the end. Crazy mechanics are crazy

We were really just spitballing & trolling with the messages, lol. G Man sent the ones thatmademe laugh, I think I had tons of fun this game. I had like 8 different BTS threads at the end, lol. I hate lying to people in BTS, so I was fairly frank; I told the people I did not think were aligned to me that that was wat I thought rather than trying to manipulate them. I think I might go to hell at just the thought of manipulating Juliets. I said more than once that I would not NK any known cylons (lulz that Polo was FF) as I already felt bad enough contributing to Nutella & LoRabs deaths.

Not even Nero, who blocked my votes the last few days, or Epi who put the final knife in G-Mans polyester leisure suit clad back.

@Polo gotcha

Polo wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I tried to kill Polo, I believe that was MM that foiled me, maybe day 3, I think? It was a few days before he began to suspect me. I used up night protections on INH & JJJ, those were the two fail kills in a row. The last night that I killed Black Rock, I was going to initially kill JJJ, but I was not sure if being jailed blocked me, so I decided to kill someone who was unlikely to be protected, being as she was mostly afk, instead as a test just in case G Man survived and we got in another kill.

I think Polo was the MVP, and I am not sure about roleplay, tbh.

Did you expect anyone to figure you out that early?

You caught me out fair & square; no need to gloat

S~V~S wrote:

Polo wrote:I'll repeat myself: I'd rather go after Cavil and his pack before doing anything with regards to Cain.

Do you know who he is?

Let's do it. Give me a name.

The funny thing is I would have said exactly the same thing were I a civ

You kept saying you would rather lynch Cavil first, but we KNEW who Cain was.

Night three was MMs night, I think.

I tried to kill Polo, I believe that was MM that foiled me, maybe day 3, I think? It was a few days before he began to suspect me. I used up night protections on INH & JJJ, those were the two fail kills in a row. The last night that I killed Black Rock, I was going to initially kill JJJ, but I was not sure if being jailed blocked me, so I decided to kill someone who was unlikely to be protected, being as she was mostly afk, instead as a test just in case G Man survived and we got in another kill.

I think Polo was the MVP, and I am not sure about roleplay, tbh.

Also cylons, I wish we could have had an all cylon chat instead of all those single threads, but that would have given me a paranoia stroke ha ha ha

Nerolunar wrote:Well played everyone! I am so happy I was revived to take part in the endgame.

Looks like the baddies had a hard time anyway, being such a small and complicated group with lots of uncertainty. But I guess that was the same for town too.

SVS

Great game Golden. Very interesting setup with lots of possibilities.

Congrats civvie cylons (and even you pesky humans)

To all my cylons, sorry i had to be less forthcoming in BTS with you all. I had no idea who to trust; had I known the lore I might have better known who was whom. Like I thought all the cylons were bad, lol. Ihad no clue. I found out Athena wasn't when Epi was lynched, and the civvies told me in thread, Indi, I think, made a list of who had what alignment. Before that I was fairly clueless.

And yes lots of uncertainly. My role said I could not be lynched; it did not say I would be revealed as John Cavil, lol. It is fair to say I would have played it differently had I known but that's on me, not the game. It was an awesome game and I had a lot of fun even though it became clear some time ago that we were gonna lose

Also Polo, a force to be reckoned with! And LC, I am sorry, I would have done the same thing if civ, tbh. Martial law just seemed like a bad thing for everyone.

Also Dex I was right about Matt!! Gut ftw (well, maybe about that one thing ha ha)

And G-Man (I remembered the hyphen) I had so much fun

Polo wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Polo, you;re still around, right?

Posted 10 times already, I have. Herh herh herh.

I just want to make sure you're around fr the host post is all. I look forward to it.

Linki,no.

Polo, you;re still around, right?

Epignosis wrote:I am voting S~V~S.

I offered other names (Nerolunar, for one) and I asked S~V~S why she wouldn't vote Ricochet, but I don't see that I ever got an answer.

And necessity and all that horseshit.

I wouldn;t vote him cause I don;t think he's bad. I think I have said that more than once

Polo wrote:Vote: SVS

And you already did this, you can;t do it again

I am SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS!!!!

That was post ten, btw.

I am going to vote for Epi cause i got no choice. I dont want to, but leave it to fate, I guess.

vote epi

Even though he will now vote me, which is OK by me.

Linki,wtf is a boomslang gambit?

#9

I have been patient with you, Polo, becasue you are so fucking proud of yourself. But since you have not been punished, that means you are *pretending* to info dump, especially after making your case hanging around like a vulture as people vote. And if I am going to be mislynched (and I am ) you need to know this, too.

You're wrong. If you lynch me, John Cavil isn't going to be lynched today.

*8

My implication was that you got some kind of secondhand info, like a block or a protect, and turned it into an assurance when it was no such thing.

#7

I am not going to try to save myself. I want to be lynched. Then maybe we will be a little less likely to rel on false info dumpers, hrh, sitting around gloating over their handiwork like a fucking ghoul.

#6

@Polo

If I find out post game that this is based on any kind of perception of info, like your role had a block and you blocked someone and no one died, or a protection, or whatever, and you got false info becasue of it, I will never ever let you live it down. Info dumping, especially faux info dumping, is the thing I hate most. Fair play > winning.

So you are wrong, but if you think you are right for info related reasons, you basically alienated me and I hope it was worth it for you. Becasue proving people wrong is my favorite thing ever.

#5 yes polo, we get it, you think I am bad. Good luck with that you are wrong.

#4

It looks liek if I have to wind up voting to save, it will be for Epi, but I don't think Epi is bad. I hope people stop voting for him.

I am here,I am reading.

Linki @ JJJ, I think Black Rock is civ based on her early reaction to MY reaction to Epis lynch & reveal as Athena. I think is BR was bad,she would not have bothered to remark on my reaction to that flip.

#3

@Rico, I answered you here.

S~V~S wrote:

Ricochet wrote:SVS, would you say you're "100% sure" that "Polo is not that role", or simply you "don't think" that "Polo is that role"?

Also, what's your strongest townread atm? One name, please.

No I am not 100% sure; it is totally based on thread & impressions, not on anything i, or the thread, was told by the host.

Based on thread and on things she said (and on things other people said) Silver was my strongest town read. INH has not done anything to actively keep that up, but he has played a cautious game that I would expect MOST people to play were they a strong town role.

This has not changed. Definitely Silver/INH.

@S~V~S

I think you've already defended yourself enough that people's perspectives of you aren't likely to change much if you do more of it. I'm much more interested in what your reads are and who you want to lynch. Gimme the goods.

Yeah, I said last post that I would put that all in one post, I did not forget it. I will put in my full civ reads first, I want to read back a bit, I think I must be trusting people I should not. I am not sure what to think of the Kinda Final Four, Jules was Hot Dog, and Nero was lynched, so they were civ to start, but may have come back from the Pet Sematary seems to be the thought? Pre death the only one I felt less than civ about was Daisy. I also felt Faraday was bad, but felt MUCH better about Dex. But if we are to rejudge them, I don't have enough basis for comparision.

So here is a partial, I will finish it up after work. Civ


Black Rock

Dex

DrumBeats

DrWilgy

Epignosis

G-Man

insertnamehere

JaggedJimmyJay

juliets

Matt

Nerolunar

ObscureAllure

Polo

Rabbit8

Ricochet

S~V~S

sig

SokothQultuq

Spacedaisy

I am not sure about the rest of the names on the list. I feel MOST sure about INH, JJJ & Matt. A couple of them I still feel good vibes about overall, but not quite as sure. A few of the unrated names I used to feel better about than I do now.

I will qualify the rest later, I want to do some reading; it is easier for me to read at work than post. I don't think both G Man & Drum are civ; I think it is one or the other there. So for now I have them both in not sure. I have no idea where I want to vote; worrying about defending (Even though you say I have defended enough, I don't feel as strongly about that as you do ) plus these people coming back plus Glorfindel coming up civ and the pall that casts on lore leads me to think we need to reconsider across the board. That is why Wilgy came off "civ" to "not sure". So still not sure where I want to vote. I won't be voting for any of the green names today. I doubt I will be voting for INH or you ever.

Sorry if I am "robotic & emotionless" but I am trying very hard not to be a hypocrite. It is no fun when someone you like & respect calls you a hypocrite more than once in the same discussion, and when they are right. So I need to revise my behavior, and I am sorry if you do not like how it affects my game, but it is what it is

I am sure I already answered this, but:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:S~V~S:

How would you expect a civilian bea to respond to points like these:

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote:

bea wrote:Rico - ok. I admit. I've lost why anyone thinks he's suspicious. I didn't think he was bad for refusing to claim. His stance that no one should claim felt more genuine than oa's everyone but me claim. Someone highlight what was bad about him again please cuz I don't see it.

Svs - I got the civ feel from her early in the game and I've seen no reason to change this opinion. I'm confused by what she mentioned by I would have guilted her more by now. But yea. I think she is a civ. I respect her opinion and have agreed with her lots this game.

Sig - zeebs thought he was bad. Wabbit still does. He seems to only pop up when mentioned. I know he's busy and I know he's tricky to read. If someone can make a case for how he is Leboan or six I will listen but he feels like the best bet at Doval or Cavil that I can see.

Sok - trying and reading fairly genuine. I get weird vibes from him at times not sure if that's cuz he's new and I'm just getting to know him or if there is something more.

I believe we are down to two bad cylons. I've been working under the assumption that the lynch of those two will end the game.

I'm in and out today. It's day 1 of comic con. My phone is already at 77 percent.

I have made pokes at you, and questioned things you said more than once, since the Nutella lynch, really. I have said I was suspish of you. You have basically ignored all of it. I think you would have been a bit more at me for allof that. Either you did not see it (and you seem pretty well informed) or you ignored it. I think civ Bea would be more likely to pout at me & try to guilt me for those feels, and you didn't. I waffled a bit, but this really bothers me, tbh. You say you agree with me lots, but lots of my posts have said I find you suspect.

S~V~S wrote:

bea wrote:Svs - I remember addressing you early on. Outside of what others have said, and not being pouty enough is there something I've missed? Direct me and I will answer. I've taken the fact that you do have doubts about me as a sign that you were trustworthy. I know that seems weird but it is what it is.

Epi - there was a back and forth just before the Wilgy lynch where she and he both read me as civ and said they agreed with me. Then Wilgy said something along the lines of it being unusual that he and zeebs agree. She said "i know it's a magical game. " or something along the lines of that. Right before the Wilgy lynch I said something clicked for me. That was it. I could be wrong for sure but it felt like bts of the human and cylon kind.

That's it that's what I saw.

It is just your whole big picture. Starting with the Nutella lynch. You have made a lot of posts, and done lots of catch up, you just seem to never address the little things, although you are obviously reading the thread. You are playing the OMG I'm busy card more than I like for someone with as many posts as you have.

"You aren't pouting enough"

"You have a lot of posts and keep saying you're busy"

Bea is one of my closest friends, irl & as well as online. We have a way of interacting all of our own; this is how we talk to each other. She was NOT reacting to me how I would expect her to react, she almost seemed to be intentionally ignoring me. It is NOT what I expect from her when a cov; I expected her to snark back at me. When she kept going all wide eyed on me, it made me keep saying the same things to prod a reaction out of her. Lack or reaction = Not a civ in general. That goes both ways for she & I.

#2

OK, I see nothing specifically new to answer. But from the looks of these lists, I don't want to waste my posts when I will probably need them if the votes start piling on. If you can do me all a favor; if any of you have specific questions, could you do this for me:

@SVS in the large format like that.

and put the questions in a paragraph after that? Like if you have 10 questions for me, don't put "@SVS" 10 times, put all the questions together after the big @SVS. I will make it easier to multiformat answers that way without screwing up the formatting and getting it in in my 8 remaining posts, and still answer everyones questions. Seven, really,since I need a vote post.

President, I understand why you did this rule,but you could have picked a better day for me lol.

SO SAY WE ALL!!!

(#1)

Welcome Back Dead Guys!

Yay for no death.

I will probably do my reads all in one list since I hate making multi quoty linki posts with multiple topics. Thanks for getting that out of the way early, Polo. Like yesterday I will be out a large chunk of today, but back this evening & back to normal tomorrow.

Also, hope it works out Polo.

Ricochet wrote:SVS, would you say you're "100% sure" that "Polo is not that role", or simply you "don't think" that "Polo is that role"?

Also, what's your strongest townread atm? One name, please.

No I am not 100% sure; it is totally based on thread & impressions, not on anything i, or the thread, was told by the host.

Based on thread and on things she said (and on things other people said) Silver was my strongest town read. INH has not done anything to actively keep that up, but he has played a cautious game that I would expect MOST people to play were they a strong town role.

Ricochet wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Polo wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Polo, what degree of confidence do you have in your read on S~V~S?

High enough for me to say this: if she's lynched and she's not Cylon, then you can lynch me on the next day.

I am 100% sure she's mafia.

Are you claiming to have info? Becasue that would be impossible. And that would be the only 100% you could have, tbh.

And Jay, I kept poking her over & over, and she kept not responding. Since the Nutella lynch. Had she just once poked back, I would have backed off, but she never did, and she posted tons

Why impossible?

And I don't degree of confidence =/= having info.

Polo wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Polo wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Polo, what degree of confidence do you have in your read on S~V~S?

High enough for me to say this: if she's lynched and she's not Cylon, then you can lynch me on the next day.

I am 100% sure she's mafia.

Are you claiming to have info? Becasue that would be impossible. And that would be the only 100% you could have, tbh.

And Jay, I kept poking her over & over, and she kept not responding. Since the Nutella lynch. Had she just once poked back, I would have backed off, but she never did, and she posted tons

The only way you could be sure that it'd be impossible for me to have info is if you know you killed the character that can have that information.

Mafia doesn't find out the role of the victims, unless they have such a power role. Are you implying the Mafia has this?

This exchange is... intriguing.

The only way to be 100% sure of someones role is if the host told you that information; anything else is supposition, even if it is 99%, 100 percent means host based info. There is one role with a known power of checking whether or not someone is a cylon~ I do not think Polo is that role; and even if he was, that role detects cylons, not roles. I saw someone in this game get punished (we all did)for implying that someone else, not even them, had info.

Now, a prize role check is possible, and lots of roles have secrets. But if Polo was blatantly info dumping, he would have been punished. The fact that he is not punished means no info. I also say it means no info since it is not true. And this I DO know 100% since my role is info given my by the host. Polo cannot have been told by the host that "SVS is Cavil" becasue A), it is not true, and B) if he had been he would be info dumping & punished, and he is not.

So he cannot be 100% sure. He *believes* he is correct, he does not know it (and he isn't correct).

Polo is very very sure, but he does not have info. I know this becasue he is wrong, not becasue of any convoluted reasoning involving killing anyone.

years & years of killing the same people over & over again, you lose track of who you killed when, and who killed you, you know?

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I can't think of a time you did either.

Did he kill me and I forgot? All the murders blend in together....

I can't think of a time you did either.

OK, Thanks for that.

Polo wrote:

S~V~S wrote:There's also the chance I don't have an NK, you lovable nut.

OK, done talking to you. No need to be rude.