The Syndicate

Don't be mad, Alex. The point of the post game is to analyze stuff, so it doesn't happen again. Sorry if I irritated you~

MovingPictures07 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Because i seriously thought you were recruited due to your seemingly anti town actions, in my eyes. I did NOT think Elo was bad, yet you called for her to be NKed, I was not bad, yet you came back from your rezz screaming that i was. You acted in a very baddie way, which is why i thought you were recruited.

Alex, i know my actions are not logical in games, and often perplex you, but you have to stop construing different from you as bad. I will never play a logical game as you do. That does not make me a baddie in every game we play.
Those were not a baddie way though, I was civvie all the way through. It's funny because everything you just said here could be applied with your reads on me. Apparently you still think my behavior this game was baddie, but seeing as though I wasn't a baddie at all, that makes your argument on that front null.

I did realize your actions to be civvie for most of the game after I initially called you out. You went after me for much longer than I went after you, truth be told. But hey, I guess you insanifying me was kinda good, because I didn't have to make a full-on case on BWT, I could kind of disguise it through insanification, so thanks. Haha.

Let's just agree to the fact that we apparently can't read each other at all, lol.

Actually, I think I can read you, after hosting you in Mac G, and the last HV game, You, on the other hand, ALWAYS read me as bad. ALWAYS. And it tends to derail games, and to derail me, because you are particularly relentless. I think you need to accept that not everyone plays a logic based game

and play each game as an individual entity (which I am trying to do myself~ get away from the whole WIFOM, "A civvie SVS would not do this" bullhockey most of us do.

That was why i freaked a bit when you came back and said I was bad; becasue no matter the game, and no matter my actions, you always say it. Always. I play a very different game than you~ and judging me on logic when i don't play a logic based game isn't fair. So sorry i freaked when you accused me, that was not cool, and I apologize for that. But i seriously hope this helps you see that not everyone plays the same way you do, and just because they don't doesn't make them bad.

Because i seriously thought you were recruited due to your seemingly anti town actions, in my eyes. I did NOT think Elo was bad, yet you called for her to be NKed, I was not bad, yet you came back from your rezz screaming that i was. You acted in a very baddie way, which is why i thought you were recruited.

Alex, i know my actions are not logical in games, and often perplex you, but you have to stop construing different from you as bad. I will never play a logical game as you do. That does not make me a baddie in every game we play.

I was the Villager, a civvie

I love Boogs avatar. That is all.

I think you certainly implied it MP.

Well, nights Mafia people xoxoxo

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Here's a thought. I think all of us engaged in this argument are probably civvies who have been duped in some way. Maybe we should focus on the people being quiet. (SE, DP, Boogs, BF)
You don't think Ambray is lying?

And you do? After being so sure she was a civ?

I give up for tonight, maybe the shot the Dr gave me today has thrown me for a loop, but I can't make heads or tails of any of this.

Number one rule of Mafia,

Belief =/= fact

No matter what you say, MP, it seems to me you were implying info several times in this game.

OK, so please stop saying things as if you know them to be true without a doubt when that is not the case.

So do you KNOW Snow did not block Hero, regardless of how many times, or do you SUPPOSE it?? Because with your role being what it is, I do not know how you could know that.

OMG 18 Linki, lol

Linki, SO, your previous statement is not true? You do not KNOW this? You just suppose it or strongly believe it?

Multi Linki, "this" being about Snow not blocking Hero,

We all know your role MP~ I am not sure how you could know any of this for a fact, just like I am not sure how you could have known Ambrays role for a fact (which you obviously did NOT). So talk straight here, Alex. Do you know this for a FACT, of is it supposition?

Snow Dog wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Also, as others have pointed out, Golem did not block Hero both nights. I would know. I'm not sure it's a good idea to say more than that, or is it? I've gone back and forth on this. Thoughts?

As everyone knows your role can you not say whether you armoured (ie blocked against attack) FH last night.
Even if you don't answer....from the wording of the host post it seems you may have...unless...

Now that we know Snow was Golem, MP, what was this conversation about? You knew for a fact that Snow did not block Hero...yet you did suspect him at some points.

How did you know this for a fact? This post confuses me mightily, as does the entire conversation it comes from.

thellama73 wrote:
Ambray wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:How can you think you knew how you survived? This isn't right.
You're hinting you protected me.
The villager could have protected you as well.

But then the Villager would have her power to use, and she would know about that, right?

That whole wafflefest at the end was so baddie.

Rip snow

@ MP so say you, I don't think so. And my vote has zero to do with wanting to tie it.

Wanting to force a tie rather than makea decision is not a civ move IMO??Linki ABSTAIN????

I think he is civ or perhaps Wolf. His posts sound sincere to me

He could be bad, but he feels more Indy to me

Tying it? How is that civvie?

Linki she also did not post in the RM game either~

Hyperbole much?

And i was not annoyed, I was curious.

thellama73 wrote:Can someone explain exactly I am so suspicious? SVS keeps putting words in my mouth and creating straw man arguments against me. I can't really figure out the determination of some to kill me off.

Um, I stopped suspecting you days ago, after Epi was lynched. You need to move forward. I believe it is others who are putting words in your mouth, not me. I have not made an argument against you in days. But is you keep saying crap like this, I might start again.

I really don't either, other than that he is the civvie protector, and he protected her.

But why are you concerned? You voted for Snow Dog, not Ambray.

MovingPictures07 wrote:If I can get others to vote with me, I'll be voting BF. If I can't, I guess I'll vote llama, for lack of a better option.

I don't think I want Snow Dog lynched and I DEFINITELY don't want Ambray lynched. Be back in a bit now.

Linki: I have firm reason to believe she survived that NK for civvie reasons beyond that.

You're the protector.

So that tells us she is not the SK.

reywaS wrote:I don't agree with the Ambray votes, either.

I had forgotten that blindfaeth was even playing tbh. I will read back over his posts.

I don't get S~V~S's posts. The constant suggestion that MP is bad/recruited don't make sense to me. I'm not quite thinking she's bad, but I do think she is misguided.

I've been suspicious of llama since day one, and he hasn't done anything to ease my suspicions.

I am only bringing it up constantly becasue people are either directly asking for suspicions, or telling me they don't understand my point, etc., constantly. If people stopped talking about it, so would I. It is my observation, but it is only based on a supposition, not any concrete provable fact.

And Snow Dog has not struck me as particularly baddie, perhaps Indy, although not necessarily Rogue, perhaps one of the Wolves? Plus he claims to be sick (which tbh made me suspect him a bit more than I had, which still is not as much as I suspect Ambray) so

And I could be misguided, I kinda felt a bit derailed when i survived a night one NK to be greeted not with "Yay, silly baddies trying to kill SVS", but instead with "OMG< WIFOM what a baddie", lol. Plus being so happy to have Alex back and the first thing he does is attack me right after I survived yet another Night One kill attempt.

But still, Ambray wanting to tell the Ninja what to do, and wanting to NK someone whose role reveal would have given us tons of info, as well as her flop on Elo when it became apparent that both she and Russ could not be bad, coupled with the fact that Russ came back civ, all leads me to think Ambray is not playing for the good guys.

So I fully admit I could well be derailed. Time will tell.

Linki @ Alex~ you can't vote for me. I am not on the poll.

thellama73 wrote:While I don't trust Ambray, I also don't want to be led into a bandwagon by someone I also don't really trust, so I am voting Snow Dog.

LOL, really? Then, no one can ever read me ha ha. You said you were waffly on me, now you are suspecting me enough again that you don't want to vote for the person you have said is very suspect to you cause I did?

And looking at last nights results, and thinking about what has happened, I am reversing my position on FH. Her post makes sense to me, and her living also does IMO, so I am going to move her to civ.

NOW I'm gone

If it makes any difference to you, I can never read you, your low profile game reads the same to me on its own, not counting slips or whatever, whether you are civ or bad.

I said that for a really good reason, I did not say it would be your own fault, i said it would be your loss. Big difference.

Very.

And your twitch is incorrect. At first I lumped you in with FH as possible bad die to the WIFOM remarks, but since then you seem more civ to me, I am not seeing the hard edge you can get when you are bad.

So i am gonna vote for Ambray now, I am sitting in a Drs office waiting for him to come back with an allergy shot and an Rx, so not sure if i will be hime in time for the poll to end.

*Votes Ambray*

MovingPictures07 wrote:Here for a few minutes while I eat lunch. I am not sure I'd be down with a lynch of Boogs, BWT, or Ambray. I'm reading them all as civvie (in probably that order from most to least civvie, considering the reason I thought Boogs might be bad was mostly because of Russ), but still unsure. Nonetheless, looking at the player list, I now wonder most about Snow Dog and llama. I keep going back and forth in my mind on both of them, and they both have seemed civvie and baddie to me for different reasons throughout the game. I thought I had llama's behavior pegged as civvie and I'd still like to think I do, but I just don't know.

Part of me is still wondering about S~V~S as well, even though I could easily see everything she's done as civvie behavior, but I could see it as baddie as well.

And what do people think of DP, Roxy, and SE?

Interesting observation, FH, on the bank option. I think He-Man voted it too (????) but other than that I don't remember, but I think I remember it being only a few people. I know I was going to vote for it (and messed up my vote), and as you stated the wolves could have benefited from that too, so I'd be hard-pressed to seriously consider voting bank as a reason for voting for someone, hoping that they are Hero. I've mentioned a question about would a player with that role play more out in the open or would they sit back more and seem more agreeable, but no one has elaborated on that discussion. I guess maybe it depends on a player by player basis, but I would like to get this SK. That said, a baddie or an SK lynch, whichever, is fine by me.

Also, as others have pointed out, Golem did not block Hero both nights. I would know. I'm not sure it's a good idea to say more than that, or is it? I've gone back and forth on this. Thoughts?

I think maybe lynching someone today that could reasonably fit either possibility might be the best way to go.

I'll be back again to vote, but besides this period, I'll be studying constantly until I crash, I'm sure.

S~V~S wrote:Well, MP, the wolf has a secret, as does Herobrine. And there may have been prizes Day Zero. It;s Mafia, nothing is impossible.

RIP LT, I am pretty sure you were good. And yay for living, FH, iyag. Ever since that "OMG, SVS survived an NK, WIFOM deluxe" remark when it was nothing of the sort kinda got me. I am also curious about Ambray~ her waffle about wanting to NK Elo and then lynch Russ just really cricked my brow.

And if Snow Dog had someone come to post for him, they could have sent a PM for him, too. Being sick does not mean there was no PM sent, Llama. Just like a dead baddie threatening you does not make you a civ, lol.

Linki @ Spaghetti~ yeah, right?

Linki@ Llama~ baddies have been known to self insanify, that does not clear someone. But tbh, he is reading fairly pretty on the level to me
Why would the wolves have a secret recruit? Wouldn't FH's theory about their win conditions/placement in this game make more sense?

And I asked you who you thought was baddie and you haven't answered.

Yeah, I did answer. I think Ambray possibly is bad, and i think you could be. And why should a theory make sense? You said there were no baddie secrets, and i pointed out some other applicable secrets. You would like FHs theory to make sense, but I honestly would be surprised if there was not a secret recruit or some such thing in this game. She has her theories, I have mine. I think you and i have discovered over time that what makes sense to you seldom does to me, and vice versa.

And even if the wolves don't Herobrine may. That would be my guess, i mainly mentioned the Wolves as they have secrets and are not civs.

i did not get the warm fuzzies from FH, actually, when I survived that NK, and her reaction was kinda not "Yay, no death", it =as more like, "Hmm why pick that suspicios SVS? How much WIFOM is that". I know FH to generally be, when civ, an Occams proponent. And the simplest conclusion to be drawn from my survival is that I am not a member of the baddie team.

I am curious as to your thoughts on why the baddies and/or Herobrine have not targeted you yet~ an outspoken confirmed civ is rather an attractive target, especially if your suspicions are somewhat astute. Or did I miss that (not being facetious, hard to scroll back to the prior posts on phone)?

The old "No U", eh? Any theories on how I survived that pesky NK? And you don't know me very well, lol. I am pretty known for my doggedness. Sometimes I am right, sometimes i am not, but I generally stick to my guns unless i see a reason to stop. In this game i saw a reason to stop, so I did.

I could go with you on an Ambray vote, though.

Ebwop~ apparently Epig did not allow self targeting in MOTU, but most hosts allow it, and I do not see it mentioned in the rules for this game.

Well, MP, the wolf has a secret, as does Herobrine. And there may have been prizes Day Zero. It;s Mafia, nothing is impossible.

RIP LT, I am pretty sure you were good. And yay for living, FH, iyag. Ever since that "OMG, SVS survived an NK, WIFOM deluxe" remark when it was nothing of the sort kinda got me. I am also curious about Ambray~ her waffle about wanting to NK Elo and then lynch Russ just really cricked my brow.

And if Snow Dog had someone come to post for him, they could have sent a PM for him, too. Being sick does not mean there was no PM sent, Llama. Just like a dead baddie threatening you does not make you a civ, lol.

Linki @ Spaghetti~ yeah, right?

Linki@ Llama~ baddies have been known to self insanify, that does not clear someone. But tbh, he is reading fairly pretty on the level to me

Phone post at a red light FTL~

BEFORE:

S~V~S wrote:A far fetched theory does not a baddie make. Besides it was not a theory.more like a nagging feeling. And I always fear/secret receuits.

AFTER:

S~V~S wrote:A far fetched theory does not a baddie make. Besides it was not a theory, more like a nagging feeling. And I always fear secret recruits.

And i do, plus his tone changed (IMO) from "Full Steam Ahead, Damn the Torpedoes" civvie Alex to being a bit wiggly & forgetful, which I am coming to see as his baddie behavior.

I could totally be wrong, and am not saying "LYNCH HIM!!". I am saying "Watch him". A secret recruit could totally be within the sphere of this game, and what better recruit than a confirmed civ?

A far fetched theory does not a baddie make. Besides it was not a theory.more like a nagging feeling. And I always fear/secret receuits.

Oh &**(^().

So Sorry Russti~ it just seemed SO ACCURATE.

I wish we had lynched Elo, if she was bad, we would have known Russ wasn't. But it is what it is. RIP Russ, and sorry again

I think maybe Aether wants as little vote spread as possible. Maybe; no way of actually knowing what another player thinks, but the more people that have votes, the easier it is to manipulate things, and DP has had a vote or two each day, hasn't he?

Happy Sunday, I am out

Then when I do get home i have to get ready for a Fantasy Baseball draft at RM, and am having a hard time mocking since I don't have a draft position

so likely won't be back until after the post

Maybe Aether has good reason to think he is a civ. Perhaps Aether Portal knows his game well enough to feel he needs protecting today from being an easy target, like he often is? Or perhaps to stop a few civvie votes from funneling to him and allowing the baddies to dominate the lynch that way?

i think having DP off todays poll is s good idea, we need to keep it as close as possible so we can see who does what a little more clearly without distractions. Distractions and obscurity allow for higher chances of shenanigans.

EBWOP~

He seldom backs off when hes a civ, BUT NOW he has that , "Yeah thats the ticket" feel he has when hes bad

Roxy wrote:Damn! RIP HeMan and not so much Elohcin. I believe she was bad and Dex for sure a civ.

I don't get all the doubt about Elohcin tbh she is just as likely, if not more so, to be Epig's teammate. I am glad Stevie took her out it would have just been another follow the leader lynch.

SVS - I am SURE I do not understand why you would have alarm bells going off in regards to our only confirmed civ Sockbuddy.
After all your frame job talk and insistence that Epig was good and being framed to save llama talk, I have not stopped 'ing you. Now you are trying to cast doubt about Sockglove's civvie-ness by saying he is setting off alarm bells. hahaha funny - you are allowed to change your mind about suspicions aren't you? I mean you did inre to llama right?

It reminds me of someone else this game that tried to make MP appear less than a civ - Epig. Still protecting your team huh?

No I mean when Alex is a civ, he is very stalwart, and very sure of himself, he has a crusader feel to him, even if he is not always right. When he first came back, even though I was on his short list, he felt civ to me. Now hes flip floppy, and buddying up to other peoples theories which is what i think he does when hes bad. He seldom backs off when hes a civ, he has that , "Yeah thats the ticket" feel he has when hes bad. i can't shake it. Trying to direct night powers also feels like an attempt to obscure info. If there is a secret recruit in this game (and i have no clue if there is one or not) I think he is it.

And as you see, when Epi went bad, I backed right off Llama. I did not think it likely they both were bad due to the way the Day One lynch went down. I still think it unlikely.

I wanted Elo lynched, and had planned to vote for her. I hope we find Epigs teammate in Russ, I think a good case was made there of him being Epigs teammate. I think all the talk of Snow is a distraction from Russ, tbh. So I will be going to my sisters birthday party soon, and likely won;t be home before the poll ends, so voting Russ now.

*Votes Russ*

And Rox, I don't have any teammates, I am a civ, and if you can;t see that, it is your loss.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

I think Boogs is a much more likely teammate of Epig, currently, but maybe that's just me. He seems to fit the profile pretty well. If I get some extra time maybe I'll re-read him and a few others, but, seeing as though I only have tomorrow and Monday (and a very small part of Tuesday) to study before my examination, I don't think that'll happen.

Better than Russ?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Stopping by again before bed and then I'll be around to vote tomorrow. I'm fine with a Russ lynch, although just a bit nervous, only because I realize how the numbers can play against us here, so I hope it is right. I'll check in tomorrow and see where everyone's at, but I agree that thread evidence against Russ is not good for him. What do you guys suppose his comment meant regarding Boogs or indiglo being baddie? I want to try and think of every possibility here just in case we blindly lynch him and he turns up civvie.

But...you were sure enough of Elos baddieness that you asked the ninja to take her out?

I guess I am a bit freaked by all of the people in this game who are taking peoples baddieness for granted, and then suddenly when the next "OMG CONFIRMED BADDIE" theory comes along, just drop it, although now Elo is dead, and it looks like perhaps she was not bad; if Russ comes up bad, it is unlikely she was.

You were not concerned about Elo perhaps being civ before you asked Stevie to kill her, why so worried about Russti?

I know you are confirmed and all that, but you are really setting off all of my bells right now.

thellama73 wrote:Well, I am really disappointed we didn't find out the truth about Elohcin. I was basing all my reasoning on weather she was good or not, and now that I don't know, it makes things really hard.

Russ's defense was impassioned and convincingly told, but so was Snow Dog's and I think one of the two of them must be bad. I need to read Boogs again, but I seem to remember some of his posts striking me as a bit odd. I too, was almost sure HeMan was good, so I'm sad to see him go.

yeah, me too. I was thinking if Russ was bad she wasn't but we'll see i guess.

At this point I was thinking of voting for Russ. Good defenses are awesome, but the thread evidence against Russit is pretty good.

RIPIYWG Elo~ I kinda would have liked to have known that but

Also RIPIYWG He Man, I surprisingly (I always suspect you, lol) thought you were good.

I am thrilled to bits that I am not insanified, I really did expect it

Roxy wrote:But SVS I was reading indi as civvie. Not so sure this Rogue wants to be friendly with the civ's.

Linky with Snow Dog - kk thanks

So maybe Indi suspected him, or somehow mentioned him. I still think reading her posts might give us a lead, and i hope to do that later, but I have a pretty packed weekend

Ambray wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Ambray wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Wait a second, Sofi~ you think Russ was trying to kill Elo instead of Epig, yet you want her NKed?

You think Russ might have known Epig was bad since they were teammates, and then advocated lynching someone else, whom i would presume was not on his team, and you want to have that someone else NKed?

Now I think we need to know her affiliation even more, if it is possible that Epigs bad teammate was saying "lynch Elo, not Epig", would that not indicate that she was not on that team?

And I said TO MY MIND. If she comes up bad, numerically, I doubt Llama was on that team, the way the Day One lynch went down.

But do you think Elo might be a civ? Not on Russ and Epigs potential team?

You should note from the timing of my posts that I only noticed this with Russ' posts AFTER I posted that about having her taken out.

Hmm, do I think Elo is civ? Not necessarily. I'm conflicted. I easily see how others are thinking Elo is bad and I am more than happy to follow. My own feelings are that Russ is the bad one.
I don't believe that those ideas are mutually inclusive and believe only 1 of them can be bad with how Russ' posts come across. I shall need to re read Elo's posts.
You thought she was a good NK choice without reading her posts?

And you made that post saying we should NK Elo after discussing how Russ thought Epig was the Zombie, so not sure how the timing plays into this.

Oh well, if Russ is bad, you certainly are not, so maybe we should be discussing a lynch of him, and let Stevie do as Stevie sees fit.

I totally LOVE playing with new people So mysterious
Wow SVS, way to change the context of my posts. I said 're read her posts', as in I shall need to re read them in relation to how she reacts with Russ.

Of course timing plays into it. Yes I brought up Russ as a suspicion for the zombie thing, I then made the post about Elo, then I went back to reread Russ' posts from which I saw his relationship with Elo which made me doubt.

Don't see what's so hard to grasp there, SVS.

I really don't think i am changing the context of your posts; all i really did was repeat what you said; more than anything i am trying to understand what you are saying.

You and I are often on different sides of the fence thought wise, but it could still be a civvie fence, if you get my point. All the more reason that if we choose not to lynch Russti, an Elo lynch rather than an NK would be illuminating. The more info we have, the better our judgments will be.

@Roxy~ the rogue killed Indi; why would that be? Did she seem to have any suspicions of anyone? My thought on that was reading back on Indis posts. It could also be the Rogue is killing people he suspects, kind of eliminating the competition, as it were, and trying to build up some civvie rapport should he be discovered. In which case, searching for mentions of Indi could be helpful that way. I might do that tonight if i have time.

OK, off to to rl stuff, have fun, see you all later

Ambray wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Wait a second, Sofi~ you think Russ was trying to kill Elo instead of Epig, yet you want her NKed?

You think Russ might have known Epig was bad since they were teammates, and then advocated lynching someone else, whom i would presume was not on his team, and you want to have that someone else NKed?

Now I think we need to know her affiliation even more, if it is possible that Epigs bad teammate was saying "lynch Elo, not Epig", would that not indicate that she was not on that team?

And I said TO MY MIND. If she comes up bad, numerically, I doubt Llama was on that team, the way the Day One lynch went down.

But do you think Elo might be a civ? Not on Russ and Epigs potential team?

You should note from the timing of my posts that I only noticed this with Russ' posts AFTER I posted that about having her taken out.

Hmm, do I think Elo is civ? Not necessarily. I'm conflicted. I easily see how others are thinking Elo is bad and I am more than happy to follow. My own feelings are that Russ is the bad one.
I don't believe that those ideas are mutually inclusive and believe only 1 of them can be bad with how Russ' posts come across. I shall need to re read Elo's posts.

You thought she was a good NK choice without reading her posts?

And you made that post saying we should NK Elo after discussing how Russ thought Epig was the Zombie, so not sure how the timing plays into this.

Oh well, if Russ is bad, you certainly are not, so maybe we should be discussing a lynch of him, and let Stevie do as Stevie sees fit.

I totally LOVE playing with new people

So mysterious

Yeah, I have to agree, Llama. And now that a very credible theory has been presented saying that Russ may have been Epigs teammate, and Russ WANTED to kill Elo, that makes me think she could even be a civvie.

Personally, if i were Stevie, i would rather NK Russ, lol.

Wait a second, Sofi~ you think Russ was trying to kill Elo instead of Epig, yet you want her NKed?

You think Russ might have known Epig was bad since they were teammates, and then advocated lynching someone else, whom i would presume was not on his team, and you want to have that someone else NKed?

Now I think we need to know her affiliation even more, if it is possible that Epigs bad teammate was saying "lynch Elo, not Epig", would that not indicate that she was not on that team?

And I said TO MY MIND. If she comes up bad, numerically, I doubt Llama was on that team, the way the Day One lynch went down.

But do you think Elo might be a civ? Not on Russ and Epigs potential team?

Like I said (and i am the one who wants to see if she turns up bad, I am not as sure as some, perhaps) I know when i am Ninja, I like to follow my heart on kills, and let the thread take care of the obvious people. But thats me.

Whatever Stevie sees fit to do works with me; its just that my opinion of Llama at this point is tied up in whether Elo is bad or not. If she is, it is less likely to my mind that Llama is, and vice versa. So I would like to see her lynched, but again, Stevie should do as he wishes, not what me or anyone else tells him to do. It's his power, not ours.

You know its gonna happen now, right? Thanks

Alex, I know you did not specifically MEAN it in an insulting way, but that is the way the word is TAKEN by people reading it; it is why i have been trying to eliminate Mafia Jargon from my game talk (although WIFOM is especially hard to eliminate, lol). And this is pretty much how I tend to play a civvie role~ if I think someone is bad I say. If we lynch that person, I move on. If we don't, I keep saying it until I change my mind or they die, lol. I keep saying it alot. The fact that they tried to kill me night one could go either way; they did it to shut me up about Llama, or they did it to frame Llama. Either is very possible, and I am aware of that. I will likely vote Elo today, unless something changes.

Epig being bad removed some of the back up that my gut had, that the baddies piled on Epig to save Llama, that obviously did not happen. The theory someone (Boogs, maybe?) had they they both could have been being saved is a possibility. Knowing Elos affiliation will help me make my mind up on Llama. If she is bad, I find it even less likely that he is. If she isn't, then I reread Llama. And if she isn't I think everyone will have to reevaluate who is doing the string pulling here.

So I would not call that tunnelvision. it could be civ/civ, I have been known to do that

*Hugs to DharmaHelper*

Linki @ He Man, lol~ I know I tend to get disappointed when the person I was so sure i caught turns up civ

Also calling peoples opinions "ridiculous" is not very open minded, lol.

What makes me leery is you trying to advocate quiet death in the night for someone whose death will give us all knowledge and a direction. If you are right that she was bad, that gives us a place to look. I would think you would want her exposed as a baddie, since her being bad is something that gives us a starting point for the next lynch. I am not 100% on Snow Dog, not even close. I would be willing to vote for Elo, though.

I wasn't being snarky

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