The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:50 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 2:41 pm Also forgot Scotty was an even kill, so he is unlikely to be LC's teammate.

So let's knock "evens" off for Scotty. He could be Strex.

But IF Strex was isolated in Cerberus, why would they want a lynch to happen over here? We saw what happened when the lynch happened. :P

Who else were we suspecting when LC came under the gun?

Also, since we were doing all the lynches, keeping us busy with LC for more days could be a bonus for them. If the more motivated tribe is busy lynching LC, then they are not lynching anyone else. And I doubt they were isolated in Cerberus. I know what LoRab posted before about the randomization, but I still think it likely there was at least one in Pikachu.

No way of knowing what you propose is true or not, and if all things are unknown, I trust my gut. I would be surprised if Scotty was not bad.

I think Nutella was bad from the get go, based on her posts.

Also forgot Scotty was an even kill, so he is unlikely to be LC's teammate.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:50 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:48 pm Well, we know the Evens were split. They killed in both tribes, and LC knew things about Cerberus; it's why he was lynched.

Yes, I mentioned that in one of my mammoth posts.

On a side note, I checked, and nobody over here mentioned Pikachu until Sloonei was being sent over.

Ha ha the first thing I did when I got here was a thread search for Pikachu.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:28 am
When using targeted abilities, you may only target people on your tribe.

So the evens were split between tribes.

Well, we know the Evens were split. They killed in both tribes, and LC knew things about Cerberus; it's why he was lynched.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:53 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:55 am I still find Scotty way suspect, but not as sure of team. I somehow was not surprised to see him trying to spearhead the Day Five "We must Lynch" train. But after I finish reading Day 5 here, that may change.

"WE MUST LYNCH."

Couple of things about that. As you have noticed, we can POE the roles in Pikachu v1 really well. A mafia member in Cerberus v1 would WANT lynches on their side, so that their teammates aren't completely screwed over.
An EVEN mafia member might want to save LC for 2 more days (thanks to cbob's role).

Or Scotty could have just been a fed-up townie.

I dunno. Every where I touched down and read his posts, they struck me as baddimus maximus.

That was the day of the LC lynch in Pikachu, so I would expect his team to be hell bent on lynching over here in Cerberus. Every day we are lynching LC, we are not lynching Nutella, etc.

I have not finished reading Day 5, but will after work. Where I am is 6 hours before the lynch, and not one vote cast for sig yet.

And I have no problems with POE per se; I just think it is not reliable on day 2 when you know nothing about roles or mechanics, haven't had an NK and the lynches only reveal roles not affiliations. It's a lot more feasible now.

Linki @ LoRab, you don't find the fact that the WE MUST LYNCH day coincided with LCs 2nd lynch day to be eye catching?

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:58 am I’m confused why suspicion seems to have moved away from DDL.

In answer to your questions ACS, I don’t remember why I was feeling good about Scotty. Just general tone I think. Daisy I have no idea. Blooper I’ve had suspicion of on and off. wilgy has also been Suspish, but keeps wilgying out of it. Sig I’ve been back and forth on all game.

It hasn't. I am (and now Chuck) the only one posting so I was posting about what I was reading in the thread trying to figure out what happened here on the day of the LC lynch. It looks like an effort to save LC may have been mounted here via the sigwagon. I still suspect DDL, but I would be surprised if there was only one baddie left. Then we are also trying to figure out which, if any, of the folks that came with us are bad.

What are your thoughts on DDL?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:49 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:43 am Linki, I doubt it too re C-Bob.

Nutella's second life was evil evens.

If Cbob was evil evens, nutella knowingly voted and set a bomb off on herself. Knowing how busy nutella has been lately, would she give herself an extra full-day of quiz work to stay alive? I don't think so.

If Cbob is strexcorp, we should be looking at people who did not vote for him or voted early as possible teammates. What do you remember?

Re Bob, not an immense amount. I did save all the polls up to day 5 though. I did not save 6. I should have though, especially in light of Bobs role flip. I can extract voting records later, although not orders obvs.

Another point to a Strexcorp baddie not trying too hard to lynch LC, like voting for a third party, or missing the vote, this letting Cerberus lynch~ it would have led to another day of thread derailing lynching LC. Then the C Bob lynch. Letting us lynch LC over and over again would most def have benefitted Strexcorp. This would be different than standard baddie behavior, but this is not a standard set of mechanics.

I still find Scotty way suspect, but not as sure of team. I somehow was not surprised to see him trying to spearhead the Day Five "We must Lynch" train. But after I finish reading Day 5 here, that may change.

K, will think about that. And yeah, Evens are getting a tad crowded, with at least one over here, how many more than three members might they have with two teams total?

What I have read so far is leading me to think Scotty was/is LC's partner over here in Cerberus. I haven't fully iso-ed him yet, but everywhere I touch down, his posts have set off bells. I wonder if Jeff Probst will be visiting again; I sure would love for someone to get a look at what he's saying over there. I know he is someone we can't lynch, but it helps figure things out.

I very much want to hear some Cerberus opinions of Scotty.

Linki, I doubt it too re C-Bob.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:15 am No wait.

No, just Quin. Dunno about Dom.

Yes, I now agree. And this point makes me feel way better about you. Taking all of us out of the posting powerhouse that was Pikachu and putting us here where almost no one else is talking has led to some reassessment, methinks. I just wish I could wrap my head around what happened with you and LC, but unless we are allowed back into Pikachu after the eventual (presumed?) merge, so I can reread it all, I dunno.

Thoughts on DDL, with his extreme push for you? Misguided civ, or Dragon D. Baddie?

Quick question to the thread, and thoughts on intentional vote missing as a strategy?

With the mechanics in this game, the way the lynches work, a missed vote or two can make a big difference, can't it?

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:17 pm

As a reminder, if we don’t get a lynch through today, we definitely won’t get one until at least day 7, because colonial “Driveshaft” bob will be taking his bow day 6.

I could vote Marmot. He certainly hasn’t given us anything to work with as of late. I mean, I can name 3 other people id rather be voting for that look scummier to me, but whatevs.

Bing Bing Bing, first post of the day trying to herd the cats into making a cohesive vote.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:30 pm @Scotty

More and more antsy about INH. Why?

I keep reading into role connotations and find it hard to believe that his first role wasn’t civ. His 2nd role could be anything, sure. It could even be a boat.

Still pretending his own first role doesn't exist.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:59 pm THE CASE AGAINST SIG

this is gonna have to be multiple posts because ISO’ing someone is fucking impossible on phones

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:51 pm Quick non-insanified explanation of my Sig vote yesterday.

I didn't like his statements on the haiku situation, it kinda felt like covering for possible liars.

I sided with Boomslang on the whole 70% comment. Thought it was weird, and didn't like how people jumped to sig's defense and attacked Boomslang simply for pointing it out.

Then there's his flippity floppity treatment of Sloonei which just felt disingenuous. TBH, I might end up voting for him again today.

To elaborate, he went from town reading Sloonei to voting for him to once again to town reading him to calling his posts scummy a couple hours later. All the while, he was accusing Sloonei of “flip-flipping.” He later provided some explanations that were more than a little half-assed, IMO.

Early in the game, he called Sloonei’s case against me weak and thought it reflected poorly on Sloonei.

By Day 4, he’s completely reversed that opinion, and considers me one of his top suspects because he now believes Sloonei’s early case against me was “good.”

He just hasn’t really shown any consistency in his reads and views, seemingly changing them depending on which way the wind blows. He hasn’t contributed much if any substantial content to the thread, and is by far the strongest candidate for today’s lynch, in my opinion.

After being goaded into posting by suspicion, INH makes first mention of sig in Day 5, approximately 7 hours before the day ends. Up to this point, many have expressed suspicion of INH, and none of sig that I can see during this specific day phase. INH has apparently suspected sig for a while and still does today on Day 9. Good look for INH, imo.

With this long standing suspish, I am surprised he isn't in here periodically (he's hosting, has a life, etc) reminding us of how bad sig is. He only popped in once yesterday iirc, when we started talking about lynching DDL, and then missed the vote.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:24 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:17 am I can see the case on Wilgy for sure, but I really hate that Slang is pushing that he silenced himself or pretended to be silenced. That's a scummy thing to do and I do have the feeling that the mafia can easily jump on a Wilgy Wagon.

the hell is this post.

Lazy.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:14 pm About to go into my next class so let I'll be throwing down a vote for wilgy. I'll catch up and hopefully be around to change it if i see fit.

[VOTE: dr.wilgy] aubergine

I'll be more active after Thursday promise

It's after thursday.

Scotty picks up the sig thread, BUT he has mentioned sig often to this point, and has even voted for him prior to day 5. He is still not looking great to me, but this makes him look better.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:48 pm Here’s what I see:
INH has been busy hosting.
Marmot has been busy with whatever he’s got goig but has been actively engaged with the thread on the time he has has had. Maybe not the past few days, but a marked improvement over his early game.
Sig hasn’t been part of the game all game, and couldn’t care less.

@insertnamehere so to answer your question- probably

Or maybe not.

~~~~~

And I have not gotten any work done today, and I need my job to pay for cereal and rent and pet food, so here's hoping to seeing someone else post

Quickie synopsis, I think Scotty is bad.
I think Jack was good.
I am conflicted on Daisy.
I am conflicted on INH. I think seeing how the rest of the sig lynch goes will give me some clarity here.
I am up to the point like 6 hours before sig is lynched, and his name is just coming up.

I know he will be pleased to hear I said this; I wish Epi were here to give his thoughts on Bloopers game to date. I recall her being quiet and blendy in general, but THIS blendy?

Later, Cerberii

How did we go from a 50/50 poll with no votes for sig Day 4 to the Mega sig train day 5? I am going to try to figure that out although if someone who was here wants to help me, that would be cool ..

Basic impressions so far, I started with Night 5, and am a ways into Day 5. I am SO SAD Jack O'H is dead, he was most def a civ, no question in my mind.
Scotty, for someone with a fairly baddie sounding role, spends alot of time judging people based on their first role.
LoRab talks alot about how busy she is.
Unless Booms game has changed immensely, he sounds pretty civ
Thoughts on Daisy & Wilgy? Anyone?


Day 4 Poll
Day 5 Poll

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:50 pm I think the role didn't make sense as anything but a civ role. My suspicion of him was mostly based on a loose idea he might be teammates with Wilgy, who I still strongly suspect and would rather we lynch today so if anyone is on board with that I am down to move to Wilgy. But INH's role reveal looked civ. So why would I now want to lynch him? Any real suspicion of him I had before is negated by the role reveal. His new role could have changed his alignment, but I don't see any reason to believe that over any of the other people who are in their second role. And I feel like his emotional response is real. I don't know if it is alignment indicative or not, but I see no good reason to vote him.

I still solidly believe Wilgy is bad. And I resent that you keep saying people are voting for Wilgy being WIlgy when I am voting him for the exact opposite reason. I think we are seeing a more serious gameplay Wilgy and it makes me believe he is bad as per meta I have observed from him as previous Baddie Wilgy.

Do you still feel the same about how roles sound in light of new knowledge from flips at Pikachu?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:55 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:11 pm Look, you can go through my posts I posted a whole thing linking to his ISOs from games where he was bad, good and even one 3P game. So I have already given my thoughts on this, I don't have time to repeat myself. Clearly I do think he is playing to his Baddie meta.

As to the first point, you don't get what I'm saying. My point is my previous suspicion is negated by the fact I feel he pretty much flipped a civ role. And I have nothing since then that leads me to suspect him for being bad. So why would I vote for him? Just because he is in a second role? Is that what you are suggesting? If so I disagree. To borrow a sentiment from 3J, I am not playing against the hosts, I am playing against the mafia. I will cast my vote against those I suspect, not against those that I think the theories on setup could possibly make bad. That is not a solid reason to do anything IMO. I am not voting for Scotty because I don't suspect Scotty's play like I do Marmot's. In fact, I have for the most part felt like Scotty was giving me civ vibes.

Do you think Juliets and Golden are making alignments clear based on the first role only?

Isn't Scotty's first role bad?

If you're going to say that INH is good because of his first role, then you have to say Scott is bad because of his first role.

You're the one playing against the mods. You're basically saying "I don't think Golden and Juliets would give this power to a baddie."

I'm playing against INH and Scotty. I'm ignoring their powers and voting based on what they're saying.

Have I mentioned how much I <3 Jack? This guy is the civviest civ who ever civved.

to be continued, I need my job

And if anyone knows the answers, or has an opinion, feel free to chime in

We brought Refrigerator with us?

And yeah, as the Haiku Queen of Pikachu, I concur, I have seen better Haiku

I remember Day 7, I got up at 4:30 to write a giant post for over an hour about why I suspected Chuck, posted it, then noticed he was off the poll. Good times.

I am beginning to understand why Sloonei brought in a DJ.

Second time you're saved by the Bell.

Tell us your suspects, Chuck. You have a bully pulpit for a bit. Convince me.

REVEALER.

Fie on autocorrect; role revealed not role revealed X2

He's not on the poll? That's rich. I think our poll guy did a good job.

And I have played dozens and dozens of role madness games, and balance and fairness is possible and perfectly achievable. I think you just said that to discount any discussion of the likeliness of a faux role revealed without a true role revealed.

I am going to complete my read of sig today, and reading days four and five to figure out why sig had seven votes day five and zero on day four, with an eye tonwhat INH said.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:05 pm Let me put this a different way:

If nutella was the only one that can expose a players role, truthfully or falsely, when she flips her target is fucked regardless because we just flip around the alignments for the true result. That seems unfair. I don't believe that this game is unfair.

Role madness mafia is not fair.

What?

*He went so way out on a limb

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:42 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:33 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:47 am I doubt there are two bad role revealers

What are you talking about? We only need one bad role revealer.

Your you mean LC's role too?

No. I mean that the main reason he appears to be bad was his aggressive defense of LC. Nutella was on LCs team. Nutella could not use her role on a member of her team. There for I do not believe Nutella to have faux revealed Chucks role, I believe that to have been a true reveal.

I doubt there are two roles that could make a false reveal, like Nutella role, in the thread. So I think his role may have been revealed by a civ revealer.

I cannot make sense of a bad Chuck not on LCs team. Can't do it. I am amazed that you, or anyone who was on Pikachu, CAN think Chuck could be bad yet not LCs teammate.

So like I said, I won't fight it. I still think he could be bad based on the LC lynch. But I also think he's gonna flip the role posted in Pikachu, which will mean he is not Nutellas target. And we won't know till end game if he actually is bad.

There already are two roles that give fake reveals.
Nutella's and LC's.

So you think there's a civ version?

Quite possible. What would be the point of a fake role revealer if there wasn't a REAL role revealer? I don't recall if you played BSG, but Golden wanted to keep people guessing. If people can solve the game from a few posts, Golden thinks he has failed.

Like I said earlier, I have thought Chuck was bad forever. I think we will learn more from a lynch of somebody else. I think he is going to flip that role that was posted in Pikachu. I would be so incredibly shocked if Chuck was a baddie unaffiliated with LC. We went so waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out on a limb to save LC (you recall, you were the one he was dangling off the end of that branch), he has to be a teammate or a misguided civ who thought LC was getting railroaded. That role reveal gave me enough doubt, that I wanted to just watch him for a while.

This Nutella business is a wild goose chase, imo. Why would a baddie use her one time power to save a baddie from another team, especially when she died by surprise and probably wasn't expecting to die? They would use it to make someone look bad, not good.

Saying this points to Chuck being bad makes no sense to me, tbh. Andas I said earlier, the ones who pushed the hardest for it will be the ones I look at the hardest after the lynch, if I am right about this.

But again, I have thought he was bad since Day 4. I think we're going to learn zero from this, but OK. Let's lynch him

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:53 am It's just a matter of method. If a player is revealed as scum by abilities, I abandon any pre-conceptions about their alignment I might have, and follow the abilities. because the cprobability of those being right is considerably higher than whatever conclusion I had before. Scumhunting is not reliable.

I disagree. The roles in this game are a massive clusterfuck (and I mean this as a compliment [mention]Golden[/mention] ). Jumping to conclusions based on host posts when we have seen some fairly insane roles is ill advised, imo. Two roles we have seen can falsify results. I think the thread is more reliable in this circumstance.

But like I said, I have thought he was bad since LCs first lynch, so not sure why I am even arguing this point. I think the thread points to him being bad. So we can agree to disagree on methodology, I suppose. But if he flips civ, I don't want you to lecture me on "host info > baddie hunting" again.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:33 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:47 am I doubt there are two bad role revealers

What are you talking about? We only need one bad role revealer.

Your you mean LC's role too?

No. I mean that the main reason he appears to be bad was his aggressive defense of LC. Nutella was on LCs team. Nutella could not use her role on a member of her team. There for I do not believe Nutella to have faux revealed Chucks role, I believe that to have been a true reveal.

I doubt there are two roles that could make a false reveal, like Nutella role, in the thread. So I think his role may have been revealed by a civ revealer.

I cannot make sense of a bad Chuck not on LCs team. Can't do it. I am amazed that you, or anyone who was on Pikachu, CAN think Chuck could be bad yet not LCs teammate.

So like I said, I won't fight it. I still think he could be bad based on the LC lynch. But I also think he's gonna flip the role posted in Pikachu, which will mean he is not Nutellas target. And we won't know till end game if he actually is bad.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:50 am Not lynching Speed is like having a red check and saying nah not enough information.

We need him gone tomorrow.

I am not going to fight it; I spent DAYS trying to get people to listen to me about him being bad, and everyone blew me off because "maths". But this reasoning seems wrong to me. I doubt there are two bad role revealers, and I would think there might be a civ one.

But after the lynch, if he flips civ, we need to talk about opportunism, especially from the people who did not see what went down at Pikachu. We spent 5 days (calendar days, not Mafia days) wrangling and arguing and getting fairly heated at times over the LC lynches, and the alternative Chuck and LC were trying to promote. If Chuck winds up bad post game and is NOT LCs partner, I will eat a hat or something. I don't think that is possible. He is either LC's partner (thus Nutella could not have revealed him being a teammate) or he's a civ, because I don't see a baddie defending as hard as Chuck did anyone who was not a teammate.

Sig, I am looking at you if he does not flip bad. Right straight at you. Your "lynch him lynch him" deal is the most opportunistic thing I have seen in a long time.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:49 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:33 pm Also I just realized C Bob did not vote that day at all.

Fake news

I'm pretty sure I voted every day

You did not vote on Day 5, I triple checked.

Flips bad not wins bad, autocorrect plus bad typing equals fail.

I keep going back and forth on Chuck. I kind of still think he's bad based on his aggressive defense of LC. But not for the reasons you all seem to. I don't think Nutella's role had anything to do with that flip. If he's bad he's LCs teammate. If we Lynch him I think he's going to actually appear as the role that was posted, which will mean Nutella did not do it.

I had thought he had been targeted by LC once it became clear they were not gonna Lynch Dom. So if he wins bad we prolly won't know about it until the game is over.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:49 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:33 pm Also I just realized C Bob did not vote that day at all.

Fake news

I'm pretty sure I voted every day

I saved all of our polls except the last one. I will check again but am pretty sure you did miss that one day but I might have missed you if you voted for an outlier, I will double-check.

Lol very tinfoil.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:14 pm Yay! Good job Pikachu! So two teams confirmed. That helps to figure stuff out. And more vote manips :o

Plus it gives us more time to figure this all out re DDL and Chuck and Nutella.

How do you know we had vote manipulation.

Not surprised we've got two teams, meaning if we've got a vig I think Speed needs to be axed. Otherwise I suggest we all vote for him tomorrow. True he went balls to the walls for LC, but if he thought LC was a civ he could've been attempting to earn points for himself or maybe which I think could be more logical he was forced to vote where he voted? That role has made an appearance a few times this year I believe.

Also sorry for missing EOD I got distracted by some school things.

We had two baddie vote manipulators on Pikachu, and Marmots role was a vote manip role. I read the host posts, that's how I know.

And I don't see how anyone could have thought LC was a civ. You were not there, sig. Everyone was waving their pitchforks and screaming for blood EXCEPT Chuck, and to a lesser extent, DH. There was no civvie cred to be had.

I spent a lot of time and energy trying to lynch Chuck, but if Nutella was LC's teammate, I have problems seeing him as bad.

you are the one who pointed out the lynch the day LC was lynched. Do you think DDL looks good?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:21 pm Oh. I just thought it was funny. No worries, Golden

I was like, WTF? As soon as I leave suddenly everyone wants to lynch Chuck?

Now we have several days to try to get to the bottom of this Chuck/DDL business.

Yay! Good job Pikachu! So two teams confirmed. That helps to figure stuff out. And more vote manips :o

Plus it gives us more time to figure this all out re DDL and Chuck and Nutella.

My bad, that was not his first role, that was the role Nutella revealed. I forgot Chucks first role, too.

(Cerebii, you have no idea how ironic me defending Chuck is. It's Alanis Morissette song level ironic)

[mention]Dom[/mention] it was a role from Elemental, don;t recall which. He had an opposite, not unlike Nutellas role, BUT it did not mention BTSC. They each sent in elements, and there were 4 possible bad and 4 good effects that the role did not know what they were. IIRC the partner gets the good effects and Chucky gets the bad, but I could have that backwards.

This game is the sundae with all the toppings I think. Golden pulled all the stops out. I am jealous, Turnip Head made me take out halfof the neat stuff I had in our Champs game

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:55 pm He got outed as a bad who is not on LC's team that's what i'm saying.

If he's not on LCs team, I don;t think he's bad. The only reason I ever thought he was bad was from his association with LC.

Crazy mechanics aside, I don't ever recall in nine years of playing mafia ( ) seeing a baddie go balls to the walls like Chuck went for LC, for a baddie on a different team from his own.

If Chuck is not LCs teammate, I don't see him as bad. He could still be bad, but Nutellas flip made him look better to me, not worse. Since I don't think she posted that reveal of his role.

Linki @ Dom, imo there has to be. Did you see Chucks first role? UP to 8 random role powers he did not even know what they were. Golden has loaded this game up with all the toppings, ha ha. We also had DDLs role number revealed, too. I am not comfortable with assuming Nutella put that reveal in thread. I don't understand a universe where Chuck is bad and NOT LCs teammate. I can't fathom it.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:48 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:42 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:39 pm why does he HAVE to be LC's teammate?

I see why ou think he aws PROBABLY LC's teammate.
But I don't see why you think he MUST be LC's teammate.
Why can he not be on another bad team?

Becasue he spent all of that time and energy trying to lynch YOU instead of LC. Why the hell would a baddie from team A go balls to the walls to save a baddie from Team B? Either he's LC's teammate or he's not bad, imo.

I could be wrong there, but where the hell was everyone else all day when I was here by myself lol? Do you think DDL's vote in the LC vs Dom vs sig lynch does NOT look bad?

I said I agreed with you on DDL... I have voted DDL several times and plan on voting him.
I just don't get why Speed is getting such an easy clear from you

I have explained it several times. The main reason I thought he was bad was his association with LC. How many false role revealers do you think there are? I don;t think Nutella posted that reveal of Chucks role becasue she was LCs teammate, and if Chuck was bad, I would expect HIM to be LC's teammate. So this does NOT clear him, but it makes him look better to me. I think the reveal at Pikachu came from a true source. It is still possible that LC targeted him, if his power extended past death.

But I think it is very unlikley that there is more than one baddie faux role reveal. So I tend to think Chucks reveal was more likely to be real than I thought it was, based on Nutellas flip.

Does this make sense?

There is the chance that LC targeted him, and that is why he would flip civ. But I don't think that role flip in Pikachu had anything to do with Nutella.

I don't think it had anything to do with Nutella at all.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:39 pm why does he HAVE to be LC's teammate?

I see why ou think he aws PROBABLY LC's teammate.
But I don't see why you think he MUST be LC's teammate.
Why can he not be on another bad team?

Becasue he spent all of that time and energy trying to lynch YOU instead of LC. Why the hell would a baddie from team A go balls to the walls to save a baddie from Team B? Either he's LC's teammate or he's not bad, imo.

I could be wrong there, but where the hell was everyone else all day when I was here by myself lol? Do you think DDL's vote in the LC vs Dom vs sig lynch does NOT look bad?

Read Nutellas role, Dom.

If there is a baddie role faker, then there is a civ role revealer as well. And that is who likely revealed Chuck.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:26 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:48 pm In light of the opposing LC/sig wagons on LCs 2nd lynch, I am going to leave my vote on DDL at this point.

I would rather lynch on thread based behavior than an info dump that is somewhat ambiguous, but that lynch makes DDL look bad as hell, IMO. Very seriously bad.

Linki @Quin you don't remember that? He defended him so aggressively and pushed hard for the Dom lynch instead. It's the whole reason I suspected him. Nutella flip actually made me feel better about Chuck.

You came in here suspecting DDL, do you still feel that way? Look at my post and sigs up above, that vote of DDls was shady as all hell.

I don't follow. I bad because I didn't vote for LC?

This game is zzzzzzzzz

The lynch appears to go to whichever tribe has the most votes for one candidate. This tribe tied with our tribe the day we lynched LC. If Cerberus had more votes, LC wouldn't have been lynched. So NOT piling any more votes on LC would have been paramount, and voting for Dom might have looked scummy in retrospect if LC flipped bad.

Linki @ Dom & DDL, speedchuck did not get outed as bad. If he was bad he was LCs teammates, but he couldn't be since Nutella could not target a teammate.

He did not get revealed by Nutella,imo.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:22 pm
three people from the same bad team on our tribe?

It's possible. It depends on if there are two bad teams or a bad team and an SK and we have no way of knowing that. "Evens" could mean there are "Odds" or it could be Golden fucking with us, lol.

That vote looks so bad, knowing they were possibly trying to mount a save of him over here. I did not have a chance to read all the way through that lynch over here yet to see who was pushing sig hardest. I did look at the polls, and NO ONE voted for him the day before.

But in light of that, DDLs vote looks especially bad to me. You disagree?

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:43 pm Woo, the first time an ISO of SVS can be done within minutes! Thanks, crazy game mechanics!

I do like your reasoning for lynching DDL - that's some serious weird voting shenanigans after the craziness with LC. His responses to accusations in here seem rather salty. Perhaps he feels as if there's not much to defend against? That's how I would see it if it were me. Whether that's indicative of alignment, as I know I've gotten annoyed on both sides of the coin, is left to be said. That's wishy-washy as hell, I know, but to my credit, I'll slap an aubergine on DDL now.

I'm also glad for an outsider's perspective of the commentary on the lynch shenanigans between the two tribes. I've been on and off involved in this game, and I guess I took it for granted that sig and Sloonei had made those comments so immediately with the assumptions about the lynch system. It made sense. I'd say I didn't have time to parse out all of the mechanics of everything at the time, but that would only be partially true - this has been a beautifully quiet tribe to keep up with, so that's been both a boon and a bane when it came to baddie-hunting.

I'm rambling. I feel like I should address other things. But I'm gonna go ahead and post. I'll have a tab open.

Linki - LET ME POSTTTTTTTTT

I think I already have more posts than Boom or Daisy, lol

[mention]Dom[/mention] yeah, re DDL that was my thought. That vote when it was tied between sig and LC (that we know of, who knows what kind of mindfuckery was going on behind the scenes), DDLs vote looks so bad. Plus he was looking baddie on and off most of his time in Pikachu. The only think keeping me from voting him was my thought that he had stopped the night actions, but Marmots death looked to reveal that he did it. So

*take not make

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:41 pm SVS, you've been looking for an excuse to vote for me. One has come along. What's up?

She was on the same team as LC, and if you read the role, it says she cannot target a teammate. I think if you are bad, you were with LC. So that role reveal of your role wasn't from Nutella, imo. How many fake role revealers can there be? I think this makes you look better, tbh. Quin, he thought the opposite.

I may be stubborn, but I make mitigators I believe to be feasible into account.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:36 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:18 pm I've been gone all weekend. Sorry about that. What are we doing?

Also Nutella was day killed and is LC's teammate.

What really? Wow.

Look at her role; it's a pip.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:18 pm I've been gone all weekend. Sorry about that. What are we doing?

Also Nutella was day killed and is LC's teammate.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:18 pm I've been gone all weekend. Sorry about that. What are we doing?

Quin and I want to lynch DDL. If you look at the lynch here in Cerberus, his vote for a tangent looks even baddier. You have been suspecting him on and off, right?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:55 pm I’m so confused right now. Also, what does LA’s flip say about Niju. And why did we learn LA’s team? I thought we only got alliance from lynxches. Or is it all day kills?

Since they had blind BTS, it doesn't say much. They did not know who each other were, the way the roles are written. I think they randomized affiliation and then roles (or vice versa). First roles don't seem to mean much.

I would judge Niju on her own merits. What is your opinion on her?

And you taught me how to mafia-think. I would like your opinion on DDL's vote on the day we lynched LC, and Cerberus tried to lynch sig. I posted it earlier. What do you think of it?

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:56 pm In any case, if we wish to avoid an NK we need to lynch.

I don't think this is how it works. You were NKed the night after we lynched LC #2.

Good point, I was so immersed in this thread, someone had suggested that, prolly Sloonei, that I forgot the timeline.

I wish more people has talked today. Less than 3 hours to lynch.