The Syndicate

Yay civvies

Sorry I kept getting all paranoid on you Mongoose, you too, Elo. Did you have info? After you died, I realized you were acting like a civ who was trying to make a case on someone they KNEW was bad.

OK, I have reason to think Elo knows what she is talking about, gonna vote now, and then do dinner & drinks~

Sorry LT

UM, LT, BWT did see you as being bad...

Considering the discussion going on, this was not what i expected from civ LT. Gonna think on this over dinner and drinks

Well, considering the conversation that ha been going on, I know what i would expect civvie LT to say at this point. So I will wait to see what she says to your very Wifom-esque argument~

OMG, RIP BWT That blows.

This really sucks. You two are gonna vote for each other, and I will have to decide (unless Roxy comes back).

RIP Hedgie

Well, I am not voting for BWT. I feel most (kinda, for the most part) feeling that he is civ. Otherwise, I am not 100% sure, time to read AGAIN, lol. I have not felt all that much like you are on my team, Mongoose~ but then, I am not sure as I was earlier that I am not seeing bad LT.

Bullzeye wrote:So ends my speed game winning streak

Mongoose wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:
I hope they didn't pick 1 as the number to kill today!

I hope so too, although they might have since I've been voting first lately. Even if I get piranha'd, I know you and SVS and BWT can steer this airship home.

Hedge - did you see my LT quotes that posted right before your analysis?

Has anyone played Mario since we began this game? If so, did our game color your perceptions of the Mario video game? I wonder if it will take on a whole level of meaning to us now.

My feelings for you are as mixed as they are for LT & Bullz. So I am gonna follow BWT with a Bullz vote, as I feel better about BWT based on my own experience. I have been more paranoid than usual this game, but all of you can't be baddies, lol.

Hedgeowl wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Yay~! Now who has been seeming to be backing up Russti? :hmmm:

At this point I am planning a Bullz, then LT vote. Bullz voted for Russti. But there was still a goomba vote out there, so wouldnt have made a difference. Plus with the way Vomps was lynched I think both Russ and Bullz had to be the 4+ vote water roles.

Thats my current thought plan.

I have mixed feelings on Bullz, tbh. Two lynches back, when you did not vote for Russ after you said you would, who DID you vote for that time?

Also, LTs throwaway vote for Mongoose still has me a bit perturbed. It's a thing i have seen LT do in the past, vote for her bad teammate when it is safe to do so, then point at the vote later, "Look, I voted for the baddie days before anyone else did".

This post sums up a lot of my focus for today.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Yeah Hedge, it was a fun but very tough quiz. BWT, I get that you've been busy, but I think you should just read back on the thread yourself. It's really not that bad, espeically considering Day 1 was a lot of OT. I think it's inconsiderate to ask us to rehash our positions because of your absence and threaten us with your vote if we don't comply, and I'm not going to do it. Vote me if you must, but I'd prefer you do your own readthrough and make an educated decision.

And Bullz, no idea about MP. I mean, he is our foe, so technically we'd all we right in voting him, but since he still seems dead t might not be very productive.

Linki: Never mind.

I agree, I think my exhaustive account yesterday of what I've done for the civ cause, why I voted for you, and I why I won't be voting for you today was adequate.

And all, we shouldn't assume that out of Bullz and BirdwithTeeth only one is bad. I've not suspected Bullz as much as some of you but many have seen the case.

Also, I think something is screwy with what BWT said happened to him. So were you Goomba'd (which would be by the Grass King) or Frozen (Frozen would be duplicative in parts to the Grass King's abilities, but it would alert us that there were at least two kings voting for BWT yesterday. This doesn't prove BWT's guilt certainly, but definitely demonstrates that at least two civs think he is suspicious).

That said, I know what it's like to be as busy as BWT, and that's definitely a position I empathize with. Anyway, I want to give him some time. Time to hear from him on what he has done for the civ cause, as well as answering all the questions he asked from Russti, Bullz and myself. What's good for the (Mon)goose is good for the Gander.

I wasn't both Goomba'd and frozen. I was Goomba'd, yes. But someone else also used a Music Box on me, which seems very similar to what the Ice King can do. I couldn't post or vote because of that box.

Russ, the reason I asked for those summaries is because I actually don't have time to go back and read through the majority of 28 pages right now. I wish I did, but I don't have the luxury of that time. Hence why I asked for brief answers to a few questions. I wasn't expecting a novel back from any of you, just some information. And idk why you didn't want to give that to me. Afraid to self-incriminate maybe?

As for lynching LT, it's something I've gone back and forth on. On one hand, I can understand her not having a lot of time for this game. But at times, I feel like she alternates between posting a few thoughts and vanishing off the face of the earth. Not to mention the fact that I'm pretty sure you're bad doesn't help my decision any.

I'm willing to go along with an LT vote today. If she comes up baddie, you're probably off the hook for now. However, if she comes up civvie, Mongoose, then you're definitely getting my vote on Day 9.

Votes LT

I would like to voe Mongoose, she has been tickling my brain for a while now. I will say though that this post is so well done of Mongoose, but looking at it with a different eye, I could see Bullz being bad, as i am pretty positive that Mongoose is. She very subtly pushes away from Bullz in her portion, then while lumping BWT & Bullz together, pushes TOWARDS BWT. Which, from the Wifomy perspective, could also be distancing.

So since I cannot read Bullz for shit, and he knows this, I will have to trust you guys. If he comes up bad, I really, really think BWT likely isn't (and I tend to read BWT fairly well, but he has said and done a few disconcerting things that seem, now that I have read back, somewhat although not totally, opportunistic). Conversely, based on my reread of them today, if Bullz comes up good, then I am going to be looking harder at BWT. MUCH harder.

In either case, I can't feel comfortable trusting Mongoose.

Yay~! Now who has been seeming to be backing up Russti? :hmmm:

Yeah, voting Russti

I don't love doing this, but the last vote made me cringe, and I don't trust Russ AT ALL, so I can't vote for Vomp.

At the very least this will be illuminating. Sorry LT.

Hedgeowl wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:I strongly object! Also, S~V~S, when I voted there were still 3 votes outstanding, your vote was as throwaway as you consider mine to be. I was more convinced on my case regarding Mongoose and since I didn't have time to research anyone else, and had already made a case I went with that. Which is probably what you will say regarding your vote.

Of course Mongoose wants to see me lynched! Because I made a case that is pretty damn strong against her.

Linki: And it seems she is already making plans!

Irregardless of cases, none of the last few lynches have gotten full partcipation. With so few voters every vote counts. We lynched MP with two votes. Neither SvS nor your vote LT helped the civ cause. There were already 4 votes out there and Bullz was holding off to see if he needed to save himself as discussed in the thread.
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When I voted, you had not voted yet. i voted for the person you SAID YOU WERE going to vote for, so please don't try to shame me. Had you voted with me, another might have and we could have lynched Russti.

i don't shame easily.

Russtifinko wrote:RIP Lizzy.

Hedgeowl wrote: Interesting thoughts from LT. Doesnt make me suspect you less. In fact everyone is doing a great job between lt, russti and, mongoose of not looking any less suspicious. am lazy this afternoon, but I wrote stuff about Bullz earlier if you want to look it up for why we are looking at him. I will say this right now, if mongoose, russti, and lt vote for bwt, you can be sure I am not voting for him. With two possible baddies amongst the four its a huge red flag. If we are wrong about bullz, then heck it could be all 3 of them!

Linki- well LT it's your move now. Are you voting for bwt too?

I have to say, this is a damn frustrating post. Hedge, I'm pretty sure everyone you mentioned has responded to your concerns. I really don't know what you want here. This basically says to me that it's not possible for any of us to do anything that will change your mind. That's really a shame, because the entire thread is listening to you right now since it's fairly obvious you're civ. I agree that there are definitely baddies in that group. I guess I just want
you to know that it's no fun having absolutely no chance of convincing you I'm not one.

I also thought this was extremely well-put:

Mongoose wrote: So everyone suspects BWT but then when Russti and I decide to vote for him, that makes that us suspicious? Come on, y'all.

That's a bit ridiculous, and again, frustrating.

Also, LOL @ S~V~S for throwing away her vote and then calling out LT for doing the same.

No I did not, when I voted only a few people had voted, and you could have been lynched. When LT voted, Mongoose could not have been.

LOL @ Russti for making specious comparisons.

LittleTiger wrote:I am sticking with my case against Mongoose. I really think she has to be one of the baddies.

*vote mongoose*

Rather than making a vote that actually counts? I fear that we are lynching a civ today, and I have been defending you, but this vote makes me think I may have been mistaken

Vompatti wrote:Mongoose, I'll be stunned if you don't turn out civ. That said, I wonder if you didn't get my not-so-subtle hints or if you don't trust me but I truly fear this lynch will end badly.

Nobody voted for her yet, you are making her demise sound a foregone conclusion

I am having some severe weather and am afraid of potentially losing my signal, so voting now. Was hoping for a few more votes from people I THINK I may be able to trust, but I want to vote now just in case.

So voting Russti~

Fwiw I am not seeing opportunistic BWT, and seeing the people I trust the least vote for him narrows my pool to Mongoose & Russti. I will vote for either of them.

Well, in interests of keeping it together, Hedge, I could follow you in a vote for Russti, I see that he did kinda do the opportunistic thing last lynch, which is always a baddie thing for me.

Hedgeowl wrote:Yayayay! We got one civs! Er...I mean Lizzy? Seriously, where are the civs?

I assume no NK tonight too, since MP provided that power.

Roxy voters: russ, bwt, mongoose, and lt

At least two of you are baddies and now we have to figure out which two.

Linki- you just missed the vote MP.

I read BWT pretty well, and he does not seem bad to me, but I will read him again to be sure. I am kinda getting the heebie jeebies from Mongoose again, and have been for some time, actually, so perhaps "again" is not the right word. I said so and voted her, then she started saying how she thought I was civ, which mollified me a bit. Then she makes these feints at people, like shes gonna vote for them, then when called on it, she does the wide eyed thing. She is doing it with you somewhat as well.

PLAYER: "Mongoose, I think you could be bad"
MONGOOSE: I think you are a nice civvie who is very smart

Not sure I am buying it.

I could be wrong about LT, but i still don't feel that she would say some of the things she has said if she were bad. I don;t see her using her RL as a baddie tactic excuse thing at this time. If I am wrong, i will make horrid pouty faces at her when this is over, but that is my take on it.

I have no real opinion on Russti, I have not played much with him.

Hedgeowl wrote:I will have more time tomorrow to do another analysis. Thank you Russ for taking the time for that analysis on bwt. I really haven't had much of a feeling for him this game, but blendy is definitely one way to describe his play style. Would of course like to hear his response to some of your comments.

To address MP's questions about my trying to establish Mongoose and vomps as civ. This was done purely for myself to seek help in analysis of players. Notice how neither one of them has done this however. Vomps wanted me to be sure I knew it was because he was lazy and not bad. Havet seen analysis from Mongoose yet. This is the first game where I starting to wonder if she is bad and not civ. someone had to win the suit, so it was risky if vomps was lying. The pwing she claimed we would have no way of checking however. The key is that Mongoose and Vomps were removed from the lynch with LT, so there has to be a reason.

While this may be strange to mp because they can lie about it, I think this logic is better than some of our gut feelings, because as SVS said the baddies are clearly controlling this game so far or letting us go go in the wrong direction and jumping on board.

You are making a lot of sense to me. I need to reread a few people, see if perhaps I can get a clearer idea on things.

Mongoose wrote:Crap, I almost missed the vote - left it too late. I was persuaded by Russti et al. to rethink my previous kowtowing and examine others.

Got yoga now so I'll see you guys in a few hours.

Kowtowing?

You had good reason to think I was civ.

Like I said, I this game makes me sad, it is so obviously being run by baddies, but the mechanics are too complex for the 15 mins a day i allotted myself for a speed game. So this is my bad, no one elses, obv.

No, her tone was far from the only reason for my vote for her. FAR from it. She kept beating the same dead horse. i am sorry i was wrong apparently, but do not think, in hindsight, that my reasoning was suspect or wrong. And I beloieve you know that MP, and the fact that you are lending credence to this ag=rgument is disturbing to me.

This death has made me rethink my position on some other people though, people I thought I trusted before.

I am voting Elo. I think I might have a feel for teammates, but first to get past this. I did not play MOTU, but followed closely being the Mod, and her post tone here is so different from that that along with her total lack of actual reasons for her suspicions is sending back down Elos way.

This game makes me sad, I am not sure why, lol. I also voted pipe, btw.

Night guys. Can we please lynch someone bad this time?

Mongoose, Elos case against LT feels contrived to me, it feels opportunistic. The fact that she is not acknowledging those of us who know LT better (and know LTs situation that may make her distracted) is worrisome to me. I also don't see LT playing the "poor me, my life sucks" card to get out of a baddie corner, tbh, it just isn't something I think she would do in her current situation.

I guess Elo could be right about LT, but not for the reasons she is saying, and I would be surprised if she was right. Those reasons are all kinds of not valid IMO.

Elohcin wrote:Lordy! I post that I am excited that people are not wrongly suspicious of me and it makes you all suspicious of me!!! Apparently I have no clue how to play a civ role.

About LT. She is usually more informed and contributes more. She is intelligent and keeps track of the ins and outs of the game. She knows whats going on and can usually guess why tings are happening and shares those thoughts in posts on the thread. There hasn't been much (if any) of that this game. I find her behavior odd. Perhaps it is just RL taking precedent. But, why jump in last minute to play when the game is already filled anyway and you don't really have time for it?

From her post here in this thread, she said that she was asked to do so by a host looking to fill a spot, and she did as a favor. And why would joining a game you don;t have time for make you a baddie? You don't get your role until after you join the game.

It is my observation of bad LT that she is if anything even MORE engaged when she is bad as she has teammates depending on her. And she is also even more well informed as she has teammates telling her what is going on.

This whole thing just seems like an easy case to make, lets lynch the distracted uninvolved person. Seems like pretty standard misdirection and opportunism to me.

I wished I had voted you last time, and will rectify that this time.

Voting Elo

Can you please elaborate on that? This is I believe the third time I have asked you. How is she different?

And he is not the only one to think that post odd.

Elohcin wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Yeah, there's definitely multiple factors going on here. Something about Birdo sitting on the player like an egg to hide him/her from the lynch.

Interesting. But why would the villain remove names from the lynch poll? That doesn't make sense to me.

Sorry I have been pretty MIA the past couple of days. My mom, brother, and sister are here visiting while our lovely host and my knight in shining armor is away on business suffering for the cause of the publicly educated. They aren't even feeding him!

Well Baddie A could have removed Baddie B's name, just like Air King could remove Civ C from the list. I think there are probably other ways to get off the poll list that we aren't thinking of.

Okay, so who are we suspicious of from those whose names are removed (Little Tiger, Mongoose, and Vomps)? You all know I have been suspicious of LT form the beginning (Sorry LT, no personal offense). I am not sure about Vomps. And, I have only gotten good vibes from Mongoose. Needless to say, we cannot vote for any of them today, but we can still talk about them.

My preference is talking about people we can vote for. If we had the luxury of 48 hours we could talk about people we cann;t lynch, but we do not.

I have to do some reading about what happened while I worked today, and then think about my vote.

Mongoose wrote:If I am lynched, I know some of you guys will look at my voters. I have a strong feeling SVS is Civ.

Thank You. If I am wrong, I am sorry. But both you & Elo made me go "hmmmm", and you lost the coin toss. Do you have an opinion on Elo?

I have had pizza like 3 times in the past week, but had not eaten it inn for months prior. And I made a cheesecake this weekend for my brothers birthday

EBWOP, that was addressed to Mongoose~ I thought I had quoted her when i had not.

It is also, based on the voting order, a throwaway vote for no real reason, and as I seem to think from my reread, LT voted late, when the Desert option could not have won in any case, so Gleam would not have gotten a power, right?

And not sure what I think of that typo thing, not that it isn;t possible, I made a post that made zero sense in one place a few posts back, but Hedgeowl bringing that possibility up before you did, even projecting the possible typo you made, seems odd.

That combined with your posting OT on top of all the serious discussion for most of the game (something I have NOT noticed to be habitual to this extent with you in other games) makes me feel OK about my vote.

Mars Attacks mafia was my first game I died night one, lol~

EBWOP...in the thread?

My vote was not made based on defending, it was made based on an extremely weak offense on the parts of others. They both had weak reasons for a vote for LT, plus Mongoose has seemed to be trying to distract the thread a bit. I am the first to jump all over LT if i think she is bad, and i have seen nothing to indicate this here.

And what would lead you to think Mongoose made a typo? Has she claimed that?

Pipes are very awesome :nod:

Also, stuck with Pipe on the map.

Elohcin wrote:

LittleTiger wrote:RIP Nevinera!

Elohcin wrote:Woop Woop! We solved the mini game! Snow Dog, Hegeowl, and BWT...awesome job!

I'm really at a loss at who to vote for at the moment. I ave my suspicions, but I'm not sure my pings are enough to go on. LT has been very quiet. Can you tell me why I shouldn't vote for you, LT?

I already explained why I seem quiet. As I said before, I really dislike 24hr days as I do not have much time each day to play (had I known it was 24hr days, I wouldn't have signed up), I sleep late, go to bed early and have other interests that I pursue during the few hours I have online. My online time is also limited based on when my husband is around as he doesn't like me being on the computer all the time - this game started on one of those time periods.

I am just now waking up, I will decide who to vote after I have had my coffee and read a few people.

Congrats on solving the mini-game! I haven't even looked at it yet...

I want to be sympathetic and understanding. I agree with you that these 24 hour days go by quick. However, I am still suspicious of you for what seems like odd behavior to me. If you wouldn't have signed up knowing it was a speed game, then I guess you won't be too upset if you get lynched.

*Votes Little Tiger*

Um, what? Can you please explain "odd behavior"?

Do you think shes bad because she doesn't like 24 hour days, or is having some rl issues that keep her offline? I have played dozens of games with LT since 2009, what about her behavior exactly is it that seems uncharacteristic to you? Becasue I am not seeing it, and I read her pretty well.

Having reread some today, the person I feel most disquiet about is Mongoose. She posts a lot of OT on ton peoples posts, then she said this when she voted for LT:

After I had already voted Lizzy on last lynch, I noticed that Little Tiger had voted for Desert after Gleam was killed and revealed to be the Sultan of Swing/Desert Land. She did explain herself when I asked her to in the thread, so I still feel that is fishy.

That makes no sense to me; if she explained herself, how is that fishy? And voting for an option even if the King of that Land is no longer alive to profit is bad, how, exactly?

So in interests of spreading it out, tossing a coin between Elo & Mongoose, FDR tells me to vote for Mongoose.

Bullzeye wrote:I'll be voting for whoever I think is actually bad...

This, after I catch up. Sad, but not surprised, to have lost yesterdays popularity contest, lol, and RIP Nevin, I was obviously mistaken

EBWOP, also sticking with Pipe.

I am also only voting for Snow and Gleam. The mechanics of this and my total unfamiliarity with this game have me a tad stymied, tbh. Also checking out the other poll.

Random Remark

I am going to say a totally random thing and see what happens. Will someone post on top of it with a completely unrelated post?

Who knows?

And I personally know of no one that actually says Bazinga, but I am not as familiar with many playing this game as are some others.

ebwop, @bwt~ also, re not addressing other suspicions. I am sure you have had suspicions that you believed in your heart, and others did not, or tried to dissuade you, for nefarious reasons or for good, civvie reasons, but you still, in your heart of hearts, thought you were right. I feel my OWN suspicions most. While I agree that other people are bad, I still think Nevin is bad. So that is my focus.

I have not heard anything to make me think otherwise about him.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: I'm curious about other's opinions on it. Assuming I'm read that correctly, SVS thinks it is odd that, given Nev's logic, he did not vote for MP. But where did SVS make the logical jump from Nev to MP? I feel like I'm missing something here, so I wouldn't mind an explanation from someone else.

I also can understand why MP might be coming off as overly-defensive. I think it was odd that SVS refused to address any suspicions of other suspects that MP had brought up. But that also doesn't surprise me. SVS can be very focused and aggressive when she nails on a certain suspicion and decides to run with it. I think when you're a baddie in that situation (believe me, I've been there), it can be very frustrating and hard to get away from.

All that being said though, I'm still leaning toward both of them being civ. Thoughts?

Linki: Holy shit! Tons of linki!

Nevin said that he agreed with someones logic about baddies voting early. He said early voters were suspicious, so he was voting for Gleam as he was an early voter.

Gleam vote second, MP voted first. Why skip MP if a suspicion of early voters is your voting motivation?

This pinged me enough to vote for Nevin, as it seemed he was selectively applying his voting criteria, which would not be something I would expect a civvie to do. When asked to explain, he said, well, MP has a reason for voting, Gleam did not.

But that is not what he said when he voted for Gleam, he said early voters were suspicious. So why would having a reason make an early vote less suspicious? That does not make sense to me.

So i voting for him again, at the risk of being accused of tunnel vision again (and imo, tunnel vision does not really apply to suspecting the same person 2 days in a row, lol).

I really, really, really believe Nevin is bad based on his vote, and then on his reaction to me. I think he knew i was not Kate, I think someone told him about how I have been known to act.

*Voting Nevinera*

MovingPictures07 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote:Sooooo. Who likes pizza?

I do! But only if it includes te objectively best pizza topping ever: anchovies.


MP seems excessively defensive for some one who got votes on Day 1, when no one really has any idea what they are doing.

I will also point out that almost every game I've been in, when a civ is lynched on Day 1, people come after those that voted for the civ, and this results in a second civ being lynched. Come on, people, baddies are smarter than that. If a bandwagon is forming against a civ, they will be sure not to add their vote, content to let others do their dirty work for them. As for me, I will be looking at people who did NOT vote for I Gleamed a Gleam of Days Gone By.

I'm not 'excessively defensive', I'm trying to prevent another civvie from being lynched, and I've been railroaded enough times lately. Not only that, but S~V~S is exercising incredible tunnel vision (and again, I mean this with no disrespect or anything), so I was trying to engage her in other discussion, to no avail.

Also, you seriously think that NO Goomba sneaked in a vote in Gleam? If you recall, we had three baddies whose votes were worth 0 last lynch.

While I agree with your observation, you appear to be going from one extreme to the other. I disagree. I think there was one or two Goombas that voted for Gleam; the fact that you are not willing to even look at any of those voters strikes me as odd indeed, especially when he was lynched for what were really silly reasons.

"Excessive tunnel vision"? I see your hyperbole, and call it with "excessive hyperbole".

I am not having "tunnel vision". I think Nevin is very likely bad. I intend to vote for him, for Nevin, tomorrow. I made like 2 or 3 posts before I voted, and only a few more until you began your "OMG SVS is a tunnel visioning bullshitter" full court press. BASED on that, I may or may not revisit you. I don't care if ALL of the Goombas voted for Gleam, or whatever else. It still does not change the fact that Nevins vote reason was not accurate, then when asked about it, he changed it. Sounds like baddie scrambling to me

Nevin voted for Gleam for a not true reason, then changed his reasoning when confronted with it.

I did not address any of your other points becasue they are moot until we get to a point where we know about Nevin. Until that time it is pointless speculation.

But I suspect Nevin becasue he claimed to bo voting for Gleam for early voting, when there was an earlier voter. If Nev turns up bad, then I will decide further. BASED on that, I may or may not revisit you. I don't care if ALL of the Goombas voted for Gleam, Unless i am misunderstanding you, and you are defending Nevin, not yourself?

@Nevin, Ah. I actually recall quite the opposite about us in that game, I recall that game very differently, we were NOT a pair at all, I totally disagreed with her voting for you as i recall. And I am doing NOTHING like that here. Although I have been accused of what you say in other games, but not that one. Or any other game recently.

I mentioned you one time before voting for you. I did not make a huge attempt to get anyone else to vote for you, and as I recall Kates drive for you was based on false info she received. My vote for you, and continued belief you are bad, is based on your own posts in the thread. Not at all the same.

Saying "OMG, SVS is an aggression monster falsely accusing us" when really all i have done since the post went up is defend against accusations of being waaaaaaaay out of line for my few posts.

I have to go to work, I am sure you two will have a blast today painting me as some kind of foaming at the mouth crazy person, but i saw what I saw.

i think i am being very, very clear. sorry if you are having issues seeing my points, but like i said, i think i am being crystal clear

Nevinera wrote:
It's *day one*. I picked gleam almost out of a hat.
I voted him because he voted early, but I could have voted snow for being quiet, or llama for 'squashing discussion'.
The core of the matter is that you don't get to have a good reason for voting on day 1. Often on day 2 either.
So I'm sorry that I don't have a solid reason for voting for gleam.
I didn't have time to make one up like you guys do.

The real reason that I *didn't* vote for MP is not because he had a reason for voting early, it's because I didn't want to attract his fire.
You and he both do this thing where you come out swinging hard - you don't have any more of a clue than the rest of us do on day 1,
but you choose to pretend that you do, so you make up *reams* of complete crap to throw around,
piles of pseudo-logic in a full-court press.
The reason you're going to vote for me, the reason you're going to swing at me constantly until you get me lynched?
It's because I'm *not you*, and you don't want to get lynched early.

Actually, usually i do have a reason, and sometimes i am quite effective. i have a good gut that way. I don't make up any of this, it is how i see it. I think i am pretty good at this, sometimes I am horribly wrong, as are we all, but sometimes I am spot on, and it is usually over a little thing. It has nothing to do with you being "Not Me", and everything to do with you saying you voted for one reason, and that was not why you actually voted.

Where did you hear about how i play my game? I don't think you have ever seen my Day One full court press.

Linki @ MP, and you are not hearing me. I said lets see how Nevin comes up.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:MP, calm down, I did not vote for you.

I am not upset.

But you are getting incredibly defensive over this.

Nevinera wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:What, why would you have been fine with voting me? You never explain this unless I missed it. If so, sorry.

Because it's day 1, and we're all basically voting randomly.

S~V~S wrote:But....that isn't what you said when you voted, you said:

Nevinera wrote:Bah. I forgot it's a speed game again.

I have plans for the afternoon and evening, so I'm going to toss my vote out now after all.
I agree that voting early smells a bit, and I think that baddies are more likely to have read the bad roles thoroughly
(though that's hardly a solid logical leap), so I'm going to vote for gleam now.

No mention of MP having a good reason for his vote, just stating that early voting smells a bit. You don't say it smells unless you give a reason for it, or that drive by votes smell a bit.

Don't you think that someone who has read the bad roles thoroughly could potentially make up a reason for a vote? So not sure how having a reason for early voting excludes someone from smelling due to making an early vote.

It's *day one*. I picked gleam almost out of a hat.
I voted him because he voted early, but I could have voted snow for being quiet, or llama for 'squashing discussion'.
The core of the matter is that you don't get to have a good reason for voting on day 1. Often on day 2 either.
So I'm sorry that I don't have a solid reason for voting for gleam.
I didn't have time to make one up like you guys do.

The real reason that I *didn't* vote for MP is not because he had a reason for voting early, it's because I didn't want to attract his fire.
You and he both do this thing where you come out swinging hard - you don't have any more of a clue than the rest of us do on day 1,
but you choose to pretend that you do, so you make up *reams* of complete crap to throw around,
piles of pseudo-logic in a full-court press.
The reason you're going to vote for me, the reason you're going to swing at me constantly until you get me lynched?
It's because I'm *not you*, and you don't want to get lynched early.
You've discovered that a good offense is the best defense at this stage.

But you know what? Vote for me.

Henceforth you can have my vote on Day 1.
I'll give my reason as:

SVS will declare me a baddie today, as is traditional. Have a pre-emptive vote.

Um what? I don't recall having a tradition to this effect.

And how would you know how MP & i always behave?

MP, calm down, I did not vote for you.