The Syndicate

NICE BANNERS

I knew a switch was coming when you voted for me. I had no idea you were forced, though. I assumed you & K4J were teammates. My theory, actually, was that you & TH were teammates and THs prize was a recruit.

Quite, quite wrong of me

And TH, when i said recruit, in that context, I mainly meant "he had come under your sphere of influence", not necessarily your win conditions.

I refused, FH

And good game everyone, really

Tone not time.

I knew it!!! I knew K4J HAD to have been recruited with her sudden change in time, but knowing zero about how the civ roles worked I didn't want to say anything. Good game other baddies, congrats

With K4J soon to follow?

Also~ having trusted Epis gut on Elo in the past, i will do so now.

kneel4justice wrote:

S~V~S wrote:It isn't a "rule"; it is a convention. People who don't vote don't get to bitch.

Oh, because to me it seems like you don't want to be called out on the fact that you were wrong. But ok.

No, not at all. You can say what you want, it's a free thread. I just wish you had voted.

Interesting turn~

It isn't a "rule"; it is a convention. People who don't vote don't get to bitch.

You can't make cracks, you didn't vote~

Well, we knew he was not a civ.

Dude, had you shown ANY fire, any at all, it might have been different. But you have had only wishy washy suspicions.

"Quite Possible"?

I think she seems like her bubbly charming self. I hosted her both bad and good in AG, and bad Elo is not who i am seeing here.

TH, do you think anyone is a baddie (except me)?

Turnip Head wrote:I wish I had had more time to defend myself today and I wish people wanted to at least discuss other suspects. The fact that no one is talking about anything except me has worked out very well for the baddies so far. The civvies can only blame themselves for not being more active.

You have been saying this for days, whenever someone suspects you. But you have not said anything SERIOUSLY civvie.

Ditto. I think my belief is genuine. I think TH is the awesome-est at bringing the "I am not a baddie" sympathy fest. I don't believe his role hints.

So you think i was right before I was dead, and you definitely thought i was right before Dom turned into TH?

i came back from death saying EXACTLY what i said before it. If anyone sounds different, it is you.

*Waves Pitchfork*

Turnip Head wrote:And SVS I have tried repeatedly to prove myself to you. I'm at a loss about what else I could do. You have had your mind made up about me since before I even got into this game, and you're unwilling to even consider that you might be wrong about me or my role. You haven't even tried to talk about other suspects to help find baddies; you have been solely focused on me.

You are right, and i am sorry about that. Surely boo told you Dom was under suspicion.

I thought Dom was bad, very much so. You have done an awesome job of staying alive, but nothing you have said or done has made me think otherwise.

He's bad.

Turnip Head, k?

I am not talking about the things she did, i am talking about the things she said. She laid out a clear line of reasoning about why she could not be bad, and you all just ignored it.

Maybe you just don't see what I see in TH, you just don't? You sure saw it in Dom though, didn't you? TH sings a siren song with the best of them.

Linki @ Epi~

Flyin' High wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Then just vote me. If you are so certain you are right. Clearly your opinion hasn't been changed one iota by anything I've posted in defense of myself.

I'm sorry that I can't convince you that you're wrong. I don't know what else to say.

What bothers me beyond the obvious stuff is that instead of coming up with a case for anyone at all, you bring up Sorsha and Eloh (and me). You don't say anything about any of us beyond how two are being quiet and one is "on your radar."

And you vote for Aces for surviving a lynch that (presumably) a bad team made possible? Hell, I've survived two Night kills myself!

Yes, but there are civvie reasons to survive a night kill. There are no civvie ways to survive a lynch. That's the difference.

Some more FH logic

Well, i thought they were very well thought out, logical arguments that made excellent points about why it was totally unlikely that she was a baddie.

She didn't just make them in the last hour, she has been making them for a while.

But that ol' Turnip Man just hypnotized everybody, didn't he? I had forgotten what a good talker he is, i missed that guy, a good player and a formidable opponent.

lol

Ah.

Did you guys not read her arguments on why she was not likely to be a baddie?

Oh crap, I did not realize it was this close to the end. I do not think FH is bad, she rings true to me. And i am tired of beating my head into the wall of wool TH is pulling about, so i randomized!

What do you think of THAT!?!?!

That would get tiresome, i have to agree

kneel4justice wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Well, I am at peace with my TH vote. I think he is pulling the wool over all of your eyes in an especially expert fashion, and i am looking forward to all of the , "OMG SVS, you called that one right" etc.

If you're wrong will you add this quote to your sig?

I said yes. What other question are you talking about?

kneel4justice wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Serioulsy, the more I think about it the more this laughing smiley irks me tbh. Do you really think i would put myself out there if I were not 100% sure?

I am totally not an info dumper, but you seem really pretty smug about this, K4J. You don't know me very well.

You asked me basically the same thing earlier, so I laughed. Don't see the problem and your posts are coming across like you're trying to intimidate me. What does knowing you have anything to do with my question? That makes no sense but whatever.

You are missing my point. I would not say this unless i was totally sure. You were willing to accept a vague tenuous "role claim" from TH (which i can guarantee you is false) but when i make one, you say that^^

Serioulsy, the more I think about it the more this laughing smiley irks me tbh. Do you really think i would put myself out there if I were not 100% sure?

I am totally not an info dumper, but you seem really pretty smug about this, K4J. You don't know me very well.

Not sure why you are laughing. There are a lot of baddies in this game.

kneel4justice wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Well, I am at peace with my TH vote. I think he is pulling the wool over all of your eyes in an especially expert fashion, and i am looking forward to all of the , "OMG SVS, you called that one right" etc.

If you're wrong will you add this quote to your sig?

100%

I am sure Dom was bad, like totally sure. It is a testament to TH and his awesome bullshit skills that he is still alive, and probably will win. But yeah, i will quote this in the sig. I know Dom was bad. Too bad, too sad that all of you chose to believe him rather than me.

I am nothing is not tenacious

Well, I am at peace with my TH vote. I think he is pulling the wool over all of your eyes in an especially expert fashion, and i am looking forward to all of the , "OMG SVS, you called that one right" etc.

Oh great, I am the only one who didn't

Oh my

I am going to vote TH again. I looked back, i missed role hints. Even if i had seen them, i don't believe in them~ people fake hint all the time. He has done nothing but try to distance himself from Dom, and now try to imply that i came back from the pet sematary, and have very blendy suspicions.

Not buying it.

It has been my observation that a lot of people do things that make no sense to me. That is one good thing about coming from different communities~ we bring different sensibilities to the table. I think it surprised you in WWE, Epig, (and now in Champs) how many people who came from the same community I do feel as I do about Indies, for instance. When you have been screwed over by an Indy a few times, you might see my point. Everyone plays their own game, and what you or I would do as an Indy is not what someone else may do. I have learned that applying my own logic or standards to others is an exercise in futility at best, in frustration and bitterness at worst.

It is not always easy to reconcile a civ persona with a bad one, I struggled with it for a while.

Not sure if that should have been in green or not, so it is staying as is, lol.

I will be back to read back and vote. I apparently have a hint to look for.

And TH, I came back civ. Other than me, lol, who are you suspecting?

I have seen some pretty overt role claims be baddies. in a game like this without static roles, it would be even easier.

But that is me, i am not a fan of claims/hints.

Also, just like confirmed civ =/= correct opinions, role hint =/= truth.

S~V~S wrote:If you are wrong about him, K4J, will you add a line to your sig saying so (like my line about rezzing the SK doh~!)?

i posted this in the other game,

I don't know what to say to this. I seldom catch hints unless they are overt, and I seldom believe them, especially if someone else that i trust says otherwise.

You at least are telling me now that he MADE hints. I did not catch that since, like i said, i seldom do, and the person i was trying to discuss this with was being obstructionist in the extreme.

Had someone said "he made hints" that would have been a starting point, rather than being told what powers the baddies have or about game mechanics. I understand those things.

BWT, I was hoping that someone could explain what they saw to me, why they think I am wrong. One person just refused to answer my questions, playing semantics instead. Another was obviously here, but also would not answer me. Please do read it.

You have a reason for feeling as you do, and said what it was.

No you didn't. You ignored what i was asking, and answered what you chose. That is not really trying, that is giving yourself the option of saying you tried, when that is not the case.