The Syndicate

RRRAAAARRRR!! Rezz plz

Predictability ftw.

So Dom.Wilgy & Niju did not even show up to talk tonight.

Someone is complacent.

Civs,I would like us to win.

Which of the two do you think most suspect?

Hopefully we can hear from Wilgy, Dom & Niju before the night ends.

So to be clear, you think that Sorsha & Dom are most likely to be bad? How do you feel about Niju & Wilgy?

tee hee

I will be super mega amazed if I don't die tonight. The last time we had this convo, we both were good, and they lynched you becasue of this convo in that game. SO not too sure what I think about that. I really would like to hear from the others though. I am beginning to feel like they are all baddies.

I am not, lol.

I have never been someone who tries to put a role on a person; there are always too many unknowns. Having hosted a few, and modded a lot, I am always amazed at how deceptive appearances can be. I think he is probably bad. Based on your in thread interaction with him, I thought it was both of you, but I could be wrong.

Let's see what he has to say.

I also want to read back through Faraday & Llama. It is barely possible there is only one left an there was a redirect.

So do you think a vote for Dom is a good idea?

Yeah, I was questioning him a bit. But that doesn't make him bad, and silencing (or killing) me would be mega obvious, not what I would expect him to do, and I was surprised anyone thought he would do that. Plus he was very very involved. I didn't think he would have killed LC if bad.

Do you have any GTH reads on the other players in light of G Man flipping civ? Your opinion on Dom? Wilgy? Niju? Eloh?

I would like some GTH reads please. If we can get them in before the NP, so much the better.

Dom wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
nijuukyugou wrote:
Dom wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:So... Have we noticed the trend of kills?

They keep murking players that keep the former wagons in tact. Baddies are ok with the way things are going and don't want to see a shift.

Niju must be spared today.
Who isn't okay with lynching Nju but you?
*jumps up and raises hand* Me, me! Ooh, pick me!

Dom wrote:Nju, who do you think we should lymch?

Same question for you Elo.
I feel a bit lost, but I do have thoughts.

Regarding myself, I coasted in the first part of the game, resulting in crappy posting and even crappier votes, and enough suspicion on me to garner votes, thus resulting in my having to save myself rather than think as critically as I'd like (resulting in - surprise! More crappy votes). The one day I was taken off the poll late-game, we caught a baddie. I was able to think more rather than think about saving myself.

The last lynch reminded me a lot of a particular day of BoB when the lynch was down to me and Bass, and Bass lost and came up (rather, "Seemed") civ. I was civ (the non-seeming kind). Either way, the baddies were able to make it so they would "win" either way - Bass voters looked bad because it appeared they lynched a civ, and I looked bad because...well, I was the second choice and appeared to be the "right" option versus the lynched civ. Thankfully, I was not lynched the next day, or any other day after that. I guess what I'm saying is last lynch, though with less people, was between two civs, designed to create a win-win for baddies. I'll keep repeating it: I was whisked off the poll the DF lynch day for good reason. Don't screw this up. Don't be duped.

Regarding others that stand out to me (mostly from the last lynch), Eloh's sideways vote for Sorsha in the last lynch looked sketchy as hell, but considering the actual lynch results, not as sketchy as it looked at the time. It was a way to avoid being on either lynch train, which was odd, but it would also be quite a risk to make herself so visible. Still, it's too close to endgame to brush that aside as impossible, especially considering the sketchy DF lynch day, too.

Sorsha's vote change was weird, too, about the same level of sketchy as Eloh. I understand the reasoning behind it (not wanting to spread too much so late), but it's like the opposite kind of sketchy from Eloh - weird, but also draws risky attention. Vote record is slightly better than Eloh's, however.

G-man looks the sketchiest to me thread-wise, especially in conversing with SVS during and after the last lynch. He waffles like crazy, talking himself in and out of voting (and I may be biased, since I was one of the choices and did not want to die), then immediately speculates after the lynch that he thought zebra was Oshira. SVS comments on this weirdness nicely:
S~V~S wrote:
G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Gman "I had her penciled down as raddish bro" but you didn't fight for her?
I didn't want to
Give the baddies any clues
If she was Radish

But you were OK with her being dead, so long as any of the baddies had no clues about her role?

When you & I were talking, I clearly said I was considering a vote for her and you did not try to talk me out of it. You actually said this:

G-Man wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You feel so helpless you don't have an opinion?
I feel helpless 'cause
Both Zebra and Niju are
Just 50-50

I like a little
More certainty when I vote
Even if I'm wrong
Granted, he did vote me instead , but the reasoning with not talking SVS out of it is weird. So weird. More subtly weird than the sketchy votes above, at least IMO, like he was backtracking? Like he was trying to sound/look helpful, but then having it shut down by SVS and Wilgy. Vote record is slightly better than Eloh's, but behavior is weirder and is making me itchy. He nicely avoided the last lynch in the end, too. Hmm...

As for others that don't stand out as much as bad, Dom voted first on zebra, which could be bad, but his going after DF throughout the game looks good. Wilgy acts weird, and I waffle between his being the Stink Spirit and bad (the voting behavior and tone is certainly not civ, or any civ I've ever seen), but he's not giving me the same vibes as those above. SVS has been bear-ified twice. Sure, this could be major baddie team self-targeting, but that seems a little overkill...

Argh. This is aggravating, and I feel like I'm starting to ramble, so I'm gonna stop. At this point, I'm most likely to vote Eloh (for behavior last two votes/vote record throughout the game) or G-man (for behavior stated and votes), followed by Sorsha. The others are tinfoil suspicions to the max. I'm hoping I don't have to try saving myself again, but that's likely, considering the conversations in the thread. But those are my thoughts. I'm gonna go ahead and put a vote on G-Man, after talking myself through that. I'll return at some point, tomorrow for sure, but now I've spent too long on this site and should probably do other things.
Look who's gettin' all involved now that she my be voted for and lynched.

So I know this is an ignorant question, but (you have to understand that I've not really been coherent for the past 4 days. As I said before, a sickness overtook our home and we were all completely out of it, in pain, and sleeping over half the time. We are all finally on the mend, able to eat now a little bit but still coughing our heads off.) how many baddies are left? I am thinking, Niju, Dom, and if there is another, I am going back to my original Wilgy.
why

I think Gman did a good job of pointing out how inconsistent you've been. please answer to that.

Then you went and voted for G Man becasue he wasn't as upset as you might like to be being lynched? That seems fairly contrived to me.

To channel my inner Epi, she said it was "interesting"

My gut is telling me Dom & Sorsha. She was the first one to point out the obvious:

Sorsha wrote:
Dom wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:G-Man, this pivot in strategy is... interesting.

Why do you want to find Yububa today and not Kashira?
Because all of us could be Kashira but only four of us could be Yubaba. Aim small, miss small.
What I'm getting from this is you are KAshira.
His own analysis above doesn't even dismiss him as yubaba, it could have been reflected back to him.

I find it interesting that svs was silenced again today when she seemed to be putting the heat on g-man yesterday. And all of a sudden g-man has the time and motivation to do all this work. Seems like a baddie in end-game mode to me.

I'm also looking at eloh who seems to just be lying lower and lower each day.

Not sure if I'd put niju or eloh higher at this point. I have to study their posts and votes before I decide. Same with Dom but I'm pretty sure he would fall behind eloh and niju.

Then Dom picked it up and ran with it. I have thought Dom to be a cute l'il coal critter the whole game based on the first few days, but maybe not so much any more.

GTH:

Dom, Bad
Wilgy, Not Bad
Eloh, I waffle, but gonna say not bad
Ninj, see ^^
Sorsha, Bad

But that was me I was closer to it.

Aw G Man so sorry. *I* thought it had to be a set up. It was too obvious.

RIP

G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Gman "I had her penciled down as raddish bro" but you didn't fight for her?
I didn't want to
Give the baddies any clues
If she was Radish

But you were OK with her being dead, so long as any of the baddies had no clues about her role?

When you & I were talking, I clearly said I was considering a vote for her and you did not try to talk me out of it. You actually said this:

G-Man wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You feel so helpless you don't have an opinion?
I feel helpless 'cause
Both Zebra and Niju are
Just 50-50

I like a little
More certainty when I vote
Even if I'm wrong

You feel so helpless you don't have an opinion?

I amnot accustomed to seeing you so wishy washy.

I also posted it after all of Nijus posts. I got her point.

G-Man wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I will think about switching my vote, you have given me some things to think about.
I'm not suggesting
We lynch Sorsha. Things have been
Said and done lately...

That have me question-
ing my early suspicion
For her. Tough day.

I was not considering switching to Sorsha, actually. I was considering Zebra.

I will think about switching my vote, you have given me some things to think about.

a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Becasue it has not been announced ever in the game. And most night targets are not announced. I was surprised that they announced the people who were turned to animals.
Ahhhhhh see, one nail draws another.

Speak English, girlfriend. I am not the best at vague innuendo.

I am gonna guess you, but i could be wrong.

Becasue it has not been announced ever in the game. And most night targets are not announced. I was surprised that they announced the people who were turned to animals.

a2thezebra wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Why wouldn't we know it?
Why would we? It has not been announced.
But wouldn't it be announced if it was the case?

No.

a2thezebra wrote:Why wouldn't we know it?

Why would we? It has not been announced.

Wondering if Eloh is going to vote Niju again.

Linki, and why do you say that?

Not dissimilarly to Turf Wars, I think we may be analyzing ourselves into a corner.

I think LC was a choice made by someone not paying attention to the game. Plus LC was pushing for Niju.

I am voting Niju for now. With the exception of Faraday her votes are iffy. LC suspected her, she isn't paying attention.

Early on I had a thought about him, similar to the one I had about you, actually, but about mid game I lost track of that thought across the board. I like his tenacity re Faraday, it felt a bit stronger than it needed to be to be bussing, but I could be wrong. I always tend to civ read Dom, I have rezzed him when he was bad actually. So I am always a bit wary of Dom, especially if I have a good opinion of him. Odd as that may sound.

On the other hand, I did not love that last post he made regarding Sorsha. It was pretty vague.

Actually she was the third vote for Faraday before LC had votes. I was thinking LC might have been the alternative wagon. I think her vote there looks pretty good for her.

(I accidentally posted this in the locked polls thread, so I deleted it. Transparency FTW

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Elohcin wrote:
Dom wrote:Elo's not on the poll.
**dances a jig**

I'm SHOCKED!! Haha. I guess someone believes in me Woot!!

linki: If I were bad, then I would have made sure you have red. I would have voted for a teammate once I knew they were doomed. Don't ya think?

Maybe you did, and they are still alive?

What do you think of Zebra & Niju? I see you voted Niju the other day; do you plan to do so again?

Zebra & Eloh have no red.

In a one mob game, I often suspect those who evaded the bandwagon more than those who voted on it. Especially if they give a self righteous style post when they make their tangent vote.

I have to reread Sorsha & Zeebs.

I have seen it done; it's a good way for baddies to hide and let the civvies lynch each other.

Well, the Radish Dude removes someone nightly, that was who I meant. But yeah, you're right. The redirector did not get done last night.

Well, then that person trusts Eloh. I am at a loss, I think I need to reread some more.

Also, whoever is the poll remover, I am wondering if they figured that person out?

Taking Elo off the poll is alsonot what I would have expected.

Wow, that was totally not what I expected.

I am wondering if the baddies are maybe distracted or not totally paying attention? Or maybe they did not read the thread after they sent in an early target?

Becasue a lot of the night chatter seemed to be about LC. I certainly planned to come out swinging at him today. So, sorry about that LC. But he could have been a major distraction for them today, so I don't get why they would have killed him if they were paying attention.

Haiku pedantic grammar self-correction.

G-Man ftw.

Oh by the way, that "POE, Sorsha" post was answering Dom about who Sriracha was, not a statement on Sorshas guilt or not.

I lean towards LC, and either Zeebs or Eloh. But that is a pure gut thing.

Process of elimination, Sorsha.

Yes, the power redirect role worked the last night, not the vote forcer, so that is possible.

I myself found both Faradays vote, and possibly Elohs, to be distancing more than anything coming when they did.

In any case the vote forcer could not have forced her on Night 4 as G Man says, so

Linki, that is possible.

Long Con wrote:You thought Zebra saying many times over, in italics, that she explained her vote for me in great detail, when she did nothing of the sort... was about nijuu?

The confirmed civ thing you are talking about was about Niju, and who took her off the poll. I don't see how it related to her vote for you, no.

Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:No that is not what I thought.
Sigh. Ok, what did you think?

I am not sure. That is why I did not elaborate. But I thought she was discussing Niju, and it was unrelated to you.

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