The Syndicate

Sorry for that cut/paste abomination. I only cut half of the post, lol.

Opt_Outside wrote:
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insertnamehere wrote:

Well, well, well. Look what the cat dragged in.

There's been a whole lotta talk about honesty, and loyalty, and relationships...

You people don't wanna be seen as nasty game players because a couple of pansies on the jury didn't read the whole "OUTWIT, OUTPLAY, OUTLAST" part, and thought this was a friendship circle.

I'm not like them. The only people I trusted were DH and Speed, and you guys fucked both them and me over. So your "honesty and loyalty" can shove it. In my eyes, you're all a bunch of conniving hypocrites.

And you know what? That's perfectly a-okay with me. This is Survivor. Being a conniving hypocrite is something to appreciate, not condemn.

So, I'm gonna be taking a bit of a different tack than the other jurors. I want you all to tell me the biggest, most manipulative, brutally strategic move that you made to get to the end of this game. Sell me on your scumbaggery. I'm gonna be voting for the biggest liar and manipulator.

INH-

Great question. Simple answer: Golden. I know quin will say that his play with DH was bigger, but let's face it: DH was a giant public threat and a blindside was going to happen there sooner or later. He was a villain (and a damn good one) and I bet a lot of people wanted to see him go. Golden was the hero. Everybody loved golden. Everybody trusted Golden. Everyone was allied with Golden. Once we merged, the first thing everyone said was, "I want to talk to golden!" Everyone's number one. And I blindsided him. My intent was never to be malicious or backstab, but I know that's how it looks to all of you. Yeah, I lied and I betrayed big time. So I'll own that. I'm the biggest scumbag on the final three. I made choices in the moment as best I could. And I played this how I play card games at home- with my head, not my heart.

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insertnamehere wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Wow, she certainly owned the "biggest scumbag=best player" group right there, lol.
Once again, when we say "scumbag," we don't mean "scumbag in real life."

We mean the person who played the hardest.

If you respect someone who lies to you in a game of mafia, you should be able to respect someone who lies to you in a game of Survivor.

I was quoting her. You can stop lecturing now, k?

Wow, she certainly owned the "biggest scumbag=best player" group right there, lol.

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:OK, she did not actually answer it lol. cagey girl, that one. No mention of luck.

I am OK, Scotty. No need for more questions.
Having read the answer, it's pretty clever. She's basically implying none of it was luck.

Which is really, really arrogant of her.

OK, she did not actually answer it lol. cagey girl, that one. No mention of luck.

I am OK, Scotty. No need for more questions.

Ebwop, if so, cool, I will be ok with the one question. I just want to know clearly.

Linki, no it's OK, I had different questions I wanted to ask. I just want all three of them to answer that one. It says this is for all three.

So I can't ask anything else becasue I misunderstood? Right?

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LoRab wrote:
Epignosis wrote:See, I was truthful in my dealings, and I wound up here. Deception is how you get to the end (that or having a role that lets you find all the idols). I can't fault Opt for telling lies. That's not clownish- that's gamesmanship.
But Opt is lying now. And that's just not wise. Or, she's been lying in the game so much that she doesn't remember what the truth actually is.

Deception while the game is going on is one thing. Deception after the fact is just poorly thought out.
I think Opt is confused about what she was trying to achieve, or she didn't have a clear vision of it.

I really want to vote for Opt. I made a promise in game that if I wasn't at the end and LoRab or Opt was, I'd vote for Opt. But, I can't escape the sense that this is why I got voted out (and LoRab too...) that Opt wanted us here to vote for her. And if she just said that, I'd respect that and vote for her.

I told her she's the person I'm least likely to vote for because I want to see how she does under the pressure of FTC. I find it equally hard to vote for Quin when he had such a massive role advantage, even though I think he's the one that should never have been allowed to get there.

I can't vote for sorsha unless she's able to explain what she did. At the moment I have to be honest it looks like she got lucky that opt decided to turn on me when she did, because if opt had wanted to stay loyal there was nothing sorsha could have done to survive.

I want to see if Opt had a role advantage too, other than the willpower bonus. I really need them to start answering questions, lol.

The first question was for all three players.

Can I make another post asking all three a *new* same question? And then a third? Three questions, three posts?

I thought we had three posts only and how we arranged the question wasn't as important.

One question. But I still have two more each, right? I can do it in one post if you prefer. I misunderstood, I just thought it had to be in three posts.

I iz confused and will be sad if I can't ans anything else.

insertnamehere wrote:Jurors bringing their own personal feelings into the vote, and not voting for the better players simply because they got outplayed by them is a common problem in the show too.

I think all three of them out played me. I want to vote for the one who outplayed me in the cleanest way possible. I read up a lot on my role, and I liked how he won. The real show doesn't have role powers, lol. So

also, not being a watcher, I am not as interested in being a purist as you are. I think the world had room for more than one interpretation of the appropriate criteria for winning Survivor.

I want to hear her answers, but Sorsha is my top seed at this time. She definitely did some under the table stuff, but she also stayed under the radar while doing it without any role benefits (that I am aware of, which is why I want to see her answers). She got to where she is without having upset or grossly betrayed anyone.

@SCOtty~ did I hopelessly screw up my questions? I thought we had 3 posts in total, and could break them up as we liked. I just wanted to get my full question out there

I am beginning to think Sorsha is the greatest online thread based game player of all time.

I knew you ate the chicken lol!

And yeah LoRabs insights should be interesting.

Quin made the move on DH ,not me. That was as big a move as hers on you.

That post sounded kinda braggy and it surprises me a bit.

You're talking as a Survivor expert who writes a blog about it. So this would apply to Opt, but not so much to Sorsha or LoRab. We'll see.

I disagree.She is playing traditional Mafia here, like other people care about that. There are no "baddies". She is trying to get him lynched like in a mafia game, but the others may actually (especially Opt) admire a move like that, not think it needs to be punished by voting him out.

Unless Sorsha changed her focus ALOT I think she is more likely to vote for Lorab than Quin, but I have never even pretended to know how Sorsha thinks.

I don't think LoRab is doing herself any favors with Sorsha or Opt with this going after Quin like she is.

Elohcin wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:If Lorab took being poisoned less personally, the game would be radically different.
I feel like I may have ruined my good girl reputation by poisoning her and golden. But I really thought nwebwouldbhave this in the bag and that we would be the last three. I thought...If they were poisoned, they may be eliminated due to lack of food/water and it would help me win.

Not at all. You were playing to win. Just like them. We play a game where you have to let the dark side out at times. You haven't tarnished your good girl image.

speedchuck wrote:Perhaps a question I can use:
Of all the players, which one do you feel did you the most wrong?

...

Nah, I don't want people focusing on that negative stuff.

Well, I might ask a question or so like that.

So far I am going to ask all of them:

What percentage of your success do you attribute to skill, and what percentage to luck?

The others not so sure yet. It will depend on who the three are.

She also feels she needs a baddie reason to "suspect" people. Like when she came out trying to imply Sorsha wasn't giving fish to people. I had told her that Sorsha was in fact giving fish to people, and that Scotty had said that she could still share, just everyone else couldn't when the food sharing was stopped. But she still felt the need to try to make a "case" that Sorsha was "bad".

LoRab wrote:Quin, based on several different factors, you seem the most likely candidate to have poisoned Golden and me. Did you do this? And if so, why? If not, then who do you think did it?

This is the exact same type of thing she tried to do to Sorsha the day I was lynched before I started in on LoRab myself. It actually is WHY I decided to call her out about Faraday. I hope Sorsha calls her on it.

Yeah I was expecting Sorsha back so that win was big for her.

No worries, I don't know that I will have all of my questions formulated until I know who the final 3 are.

Part of the problem is also the BTS, we have no idea what people actually did since most of it happened BTSC. So who knows how much subtle treachery happened that we will never know about? Like Sorsha probably was verycr afty in BTSC, but we have no way of knowing that.

It's unfortunate.

insertnamehere wrote:When I hear that a certain contestant is lying, backstabbing, and manipulating others to their benefit, it only makes me want to vote for them to win.

I hope that people are able to look at this decision objectively instead of deciding purely based on "who was I aligned with/who screwed me over".

I kinda think that's tacky.

Is that how all contestants that won have played this game?

Tacky is in the eyes of the beholder. Don't judge others criteria in this way.

I think playing a clean game takes more skill in some ways than multiple back stabbings. Quin was the architect of the biggest backstab in the game (and it was totally his idea, I wore the face becasue he was on the block and I was distracting from that, but it was all his plan and execution.

So as we get closer to the end, keep tucked away in your mind potential questions you would like for each remaining player, should they end up going to the final tribal.

You aren't required to ask or say anything specifically, but I will ask that you keep your comments self-contained- meaning, no rambling or asking multiple tangential questions. Once Final Tribal Council comes (Which will immediately follow Night 13, on Thursday, March 30th), you will be designated to post in the main thread your statement/question/appeal to the rest of the jury for each finalist, either in the same post or in 3 separate posts. They may respond to it, but you may not follow up.

Eloh, don't forget you can ask them questions per this ^^ so you might want to think about the specifics of what you want to know to direct your vote.

Also, at this point all of us might want to coordinate about what questions we would like answers to so there is as little duplication as possible.

I think he did have another idol according to the post..

I know the first one he found was becasue he was told as part of his tole, but I don't know if he was told where all of them were hidden.

Opt has said a lot of things to make the jury think she is blameless. I wonder who ate the chicken?

Linki, that's becasue you are usually the only one to play a clean game.

Golden wrote:I probablly won't vote for Elo to win, but I'd be perfectly happy with that outcome. When Epi told me he wanted 'opt, elo or SVS to win', that was just fine with me, except that I wanted me to win more.

Now see, I want Opt to not win. She has played a good game, but I think Quin and Sorsha have played good games too, and my primary allegiance is to Quin.

eloh

Did LoRab know you could make people sick?

Well, if the final 3 comes down to Opt, Eloh and LoRab, Eloh will very likely get my vote to win. She has played a game my role, Cochran, would be pleased with, I think.

I would have went public anyhow.

I wanted some of the BTS stuff to spill into the thread, for the jury. In BTS I kept harping at people, "You are not playing for you, you are playing for the jury".

If I had my total druthers, leaving alliance out of it, I would like Final 3 to be Eloh, Quin & Sorsha, and I would love it if Eloh won.

She played a nice, gentle, loyal game, not unlike Faraday. Just becasue MOST Survivor winners win via power plays and backstabbing doesn't mean they all have to. But I am sure the people she trusts most will turn on her.

In any case, I am putting my jammies on, grabbing my remote and my Nyquil, so I may wake up at midnight to see what happened.

Well, I think the First deal you made, me & Quin, should have been the one you stuck with

I was rather annoyed at you, but I think I hav gotten over it

Oh. Well if Sorsha uses what she has, I think she planned on giving it to Lorab. Did the thread know you gave it to LoRab?

Alot depends on Sorsha. If she manages to take someone out overnight,we might see two.

I expect them to try for Quin, I don't know that Opt will bus Sorsha yet and LoRab seems untouchable. Eloh will vote with LoRab. So LoRabs vote is worth 2. So Lorab plus one other person, and even after I was gone,LoRab seemed to want Sorsha out.

And I think Opt thinks she has you pocketed. She will expect me to vote for Quin. I think she will want Quin out before it goes to the jury.

Golden who did you share your reward with?

DFaraday wrote:My time on the Day 1 challenge is still being brought up.

I never talked to Eloh. LoRab was all like, Oh, Sorsha,who is she sharing with? And Once INH is dead, who needs Faraday.

I felt like her Eloh alliance was her primary focus at times.

I assumed it was *us*.

The meta group, Goldens ideal final 5.

I saved a synopsis of one of Lorab and my chats. It was the night before I was expecting to get chat with you, Golden, but then chat was suspended. I wanted to talk to you about her and some odd thoughts she had. At one point she absolutely freaked on me that *ME & OPT* had pulled oneon *YOU & LORAB*.

This confused the fuck out of me, lol.

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Plus I think I was told that it was your day, tbh. A day or two before, I was told *Name (INH maybe? Speed? I don't recall the lynch order)* today, Epi tomorrow and I did not feel too bad about that since you seemed to be "meh".
Epi today, inh tomorrow... I think inh is the only one that was ever planned a day in advance. I was trying to stop people throwing out names early, you never know who you might have to work with the next day.

What's interesting is that it came to you as orders. Whenever I asked people it was 'get SVS opinion' or 'get player x's opinion' because my game strategy was to try and keep as many people happy and in consensus as possible. I didn't want anyone to feel like I didn't have their back or I was bossing them around.

Maybe it was them, not you? Did this occur to you? Hearing your responses in here, it was a thought I had.

Plus I think I was told that it was your day, tbh. A day or two before, I was told *Name (INH maybe? Speed? I don't recall the lynch order)* today, Epi tomorrow and I did not feel too bad about that since you seemed to be "meh".

Epignosis wrote:You should know by now that guys don't survive LMS events here.

Why did I get voted out so early? I was just trying to be generally useful.

Quin is still in there

And I think these LMS games come down to women a lot because in LMS environments, overt aggression seems to be selected against, and although this is a fairly gross generalization, men on average tend to be more aggressive, and there be seen as more of a threat. Like, for instance, DH was not any more of a threat to me than anyone else specifically, but that Negan imagery was threatening as hell. Every time I saw one of those pictures, my id went wild.

Re voting you off, no offense to you, but you complained a lot. I thought you seemed unhappy since none of the roles seemed particularly unhappy (although since I don't watch the show, I would have missed this role play reference).

You just did not seem to be having fun

I don't know anyone elses thoughts on you, but that was mine.

And I don't know about anyone else, but I just did not trust Sawyer after he blurted out in chat that he had taken food from Sorsha.

Sorsha is the craftiest player I know. I would NEVER count her out. A big part of my move on LoRab was also to help advance Sorsha, since Sorsha appeared to be the lynch du Jour. We had day chat that day, and I laid everything out there for her, and plowed into the thread and blindsided it. It came out bad for me, but it forced everyone to reveal their true colors. I can't believe Eloh isn't petrified in that tank of sharks, lol.

When LoRab went after Faraday, at that point I decided I wanted Sorsah to advance rather than LoRab. I did not expect to die there, but like I said, it revealed alot about alot of people, and I would not be surprised if, post game, Quin said he voted you out becasue of how you turned on me.

linki, yeah, I resented not ever getting to talk to you. Every morning I jumped on at 5am, and you were already booked. Super frustrating. The three of us should have all been talking to each other every day in some form.

Sorsha has a trick up her sleeve; she found something in the jungle that has a large drain effect. Either she used it and it was not enough to take someone out, or she might use it tonight. If she does I think it will be on LoRab.

Any deal I made with ANYONE BUT YOU AND QUIN, had the qualifier, "I am with you until I am not."

I was only in it until the end for you & Quin. Anyone else was temporary, and I said that.

Linki, Eloh was not a threat. Neither was Faraday. I did not want Eloh, I wanted LoRab becasue she insisted on killing the doctor. Even BEFORE he asked for it. I let him do it becasue I knew he would be hurt even more if we went to lynch.

I did trust you, I did not trust her. Either her, LoRab or Opt. I hope Quin wins. Or Sorsha. I think they have played really good games to point.

And when did I agree to take her to 5? I actually had Sorsha in my projected five. I turned on LoRab becasue she refused to consider anything I said. I don;t like being marginalized, and I very much felt marginalized. You guys had it all worked out when we merged.

i was actually outraged that you put LoRab beforeme.

But water under the bridge. Like I said, I am hoping for Quin or Sorsha.

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Also what happened is that they decided in advance who was next and that was that. They told you in chatrooms and you got blown off if you disagreed.
"They" never ordered anyone around. Each decision was made on the day by the people we could get in chat rooms, except inh, who was planned a day in advance.

Yeah, they did. Both Opt and LoRab came in and told me who we were lynching. Other than Faraday vs Eloh (and you see how swimmingly THAT went for me). No one discussed anything with ME. Maybe with you, but not me.

I was trying to push back against Lorab (who came in and said we were lynching Faraday) BEFORE Faraday quit. Maybe you were kept in the dark more than you realize, lol.

I wasn't trying to play anybody. I was being totally open and honest except during DH.

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Golden really likes her alot and he told people he wants her to win. I was one of them.
I never said such a thing to anyone. I wanted to win. I said Opt was someone I could live with losing to, which is a very different thing. I thought I'd probably beat her.

Sorsha told me you said that and you DID say something along those lines to me.

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Thank you Like I said, I don't think it mattered. They had the whole thing worked out in advance.

Yeah, I think they are gonna take out Sorsha and Quin, they might drop Eloh before Quin, but final 3 will be golden, opt, lorab, imo.

When do we start voting? Final two or three? Becasue if they get rid of Quin, I think LoRab should win. Golden is so besotted with Opt, he threw his primary alliance under the bus, and I think LoRab has played them all. If Quin makes it to the final three, I think he should win since Opt seems to be blaming the DH thing on me, but it was all Quins idea. I jumped into the thread after the fact about it to protect Quin, who was in more danger at that time than I was, and focus their attention on me.

Also I have to look at those question videos.

Also do we only judge based on treachery etc., or can the criteria vary?
My final four was always you, quin, me and opt.
My final three was you, me and opt until you betrayed me.
My final three after you went was me, opt and quin.

LoRab was never in my plan at all. She was trying to play us as transparently as you were. All I wanted from my allies was that they weren't trying to play me. Quin and Opt never seemed like they were (clearly they were though).

I never betrayed you. I betrayed Lorab.

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Lynching Faraday was stupid and someone needed to take the blame for it imo, but I guess not.
Faraday ONLY went because he asked out. He wasn't even a target for that day. LoRab never brought his name up once.

She did to me. Repeatedly.

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