The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:So you criticize me for picking two people who weren't in my original tribe by picking two people who weren't in yours.
I only picked you two because you two made it clear that you won't vote for anyone in your bloc. But if like SVS says we can work something out, that'd be great.

S~V~S wrote:OK, I am gonna bite the bullet here and do what I have to do for the good of all of us going forward. New peeps are now part of Atamai and Atamai FTW. While the people I would have preferred to lynch from original Atamai are all, I'm going to guess, over at mamama lynching *your* former teammates, for us to be able to pull together and win every challenge from here on in, we need to be cohesive.

I don't want to lose another person after this, any of the *SIX* of us remaining, not just Faraday and I, unless it is 100% necessary. We are going to win every immunity challenge.

I know what I am going to have to do in the end, and you need to do it too, Faraday, you know I am right.

Just an fyi, when we did the stone challenge, Faraday hated the idea of sending in a black stone, so negative, standing for self interest and greed (I would not be surprised if Golden or Eloh did/said something similar), but he did it becasue he understood the stakes.

I just want guarantees from the Newcomers that, going forward, we judge each circumstance on merit and value to the team, and not on where your original PM placed you on an imaginary map. I realize you all pledged to each other, and we did the same. And for the sake of peace you are asking us to break that pledge, and even in some cases with the gall to blame us for not liking it and trying to push back against the new majority. I am willing to do it. But I don't want to be faced with this voting bloc again presented as a given. Am I clear here? We'll cooperate, but we want some quid pro quo going forward.

insertnamehere wrote:I guess it all seems a little contrived how Quin came into the thread, stirred up a whole bunch of shit out of nowhere, and put a massive target on his back.

Quin wasn't really on anybody's radar until after the Reward Challenge, when he barged in like a bull in a china shop.

And there's a Hidden Immunity Idol nobody knows about...

Connecting the dots, I can't help but feel suspicious of how you guys are acting. I'm worried you're going to take out DH, Elo, or Lorab.
You don't think any of our behavior is due to you guys effectively saying we are the only people who should be considered for lynching? Nobody from Mañana has shed any light on how much they contributed back on their side.
I'd feel better if you clarified on the record what "you have to do" and what you "mean".

@Faraday - I contributed to my former tribe In much the same way I contributed here. I served in a leadership role, directing people to the best use of our time/resources during challenges. Actually, my performance in this past challenge was my strongest yet. During the first challenge I took on the puzzle but got caught up in some confusion about the rules/parameters, so I passed it on to Golden. During the challenge with the stones, I initially advocated picking all yellow, since I figured it would be at best a good way to get food and at worst a show of goodwill towards you guys.

In both of those two instances, my strength wasn't necessarily in how I personally approached the challenges, But in my willingness to adapt under pressure and listen to my tribe. In the battleship challenge, I took the reigns in a big way and busted my ass in order to get us across the finish line. So when I hear that I haven't contributed, or that I'm being selfish, or that I don't have my tribes interest at heart, those things directly contradict with what I know to be true.

I meant to make an unpalatable choice and vote for Quin.

insertnamehere wrote:I guess it all seems a little contrived how Quin came into the thread, stirred up a whole bunch of shit out of nowhere, and put a massive target on his back.

Quin wasn't really on anybody's radar until after the Reward Challenge, when he barged in like a bull in a china shop.

And there's a Hidden Immunity Idol nobody knows about...

Connecting the dots, I can't help but feel suspicious of how you guys are acting. I'm worried you're going to take out DH, Elo, or Lorab.

I can't answer for him, but I don't have the idol, and if he does he never told me about it.

I am trying to make the best of a bad situation. I got up and read the thread, saw which way the wind blew, talked to DH, and made a decision.

And now I am off work, should be back in about an hour. Probably off tomorrow since we are apparently having the Snowpocalypse where I live.

DharmaHelper wrote:Before I go to bed, just a few more points:

Quin, if your main argument is "I'm only concerned with votes that strengthen the tribe" then I have to say I don't believe you. I give you and Faraday the opportunity to make your case, and instead of doing that, you twist and contort and turn to try and say that I should be the one to be voted out? You say I disregarded your contributions, but rather than make a case for yourself to stay, you argue that my own contributions were irrelevant?

If your vote was really about making the tribe stronger, you wouldn't have brought me up. I made very significant contributions to this task, which won us food and cured our sickness. Aside from my personal contributions, I showed that I could work well as a team with SVS, DF, and yourself when I worked to catch people up on the strategy, keep people informed of the picks, etc. That's pretty fuckin' strong.

What you're proposing sounds like Survivor's version of a No U, which doesn't seem like a strong argument, nor does it seem like it strengthens the tribe.

DharmaHelper wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
LoRab wrote:Yes, exactly. So saying that no one looked up considered any strategies is not an accurate statement.
I kind of meant it the other way, as a defense of Quin, but yeah, I see your point

And see, this is what I meant by hostility; not "hostile" per se, but both of our lynches were no brainers, a complete zero posts no show and a volunteer. We had no discussion or strife or accusations of *any* kind either time. I will think about it and do what is right for the tribe so going forward we can better come together.

I knew this was coming eventually, but I don't have to like it.
I understand where you're coming from. But Quin has made some very unconvincing arguments that I think need to be handled. You want less hostility, and I agree. I asked DF ad Quin to state their cases, and Quin's response was pretty hostile.

LoRab wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
LoRab wrote:Yes, exactly. So saying that no one looked up considered any strategies is not an accurate statement.
I kind of meant it the other way, as a defense of Quin, but yeah, I see your point

And see, this is what I meant by hostility; not "hostile" per se, but both of our lynches were no brainers, a complete zero posts no show and a volunteer. We had no discussion or strife or accusations of *any* kind either time. I will think about it and do what is right for the tribe so going forward we can better come together.

I knew this was coming eventually, but I don't have to like it.
No brainers would be nice. Neither of ours were like that, as we described.

But in looking in the difference in responses to DH's post between DF and Quin, I see most of the hostility in the conversation for this tribal coming from Quin.

As I have said, I'm keeping my word to the people I have said I will protect.

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:All you've done is reiterate the same debunked contributions. You did nothing today that anybody else either didn't already or couldn't do. You've also proved that you're completely untrustworthy as a tribemate. Strength of integrity matters just as much as challenge ability.
Sometimes, it's the reverse.

In fact, DH has demonstrated integrity in keeping his word to people to whom he has given his word. Are you suggesting that he go back on his word and break promises? Is taking back a promise to protect another individual how you define trustworthiness?

Quin wrote:Your dishonesty and hierarchy are making this tribe look pretty weak right now.
I disaagree, Quin. I think our openness and loyalty is what makes this tribe strong.

Here are several posts that make me think you all want to lynch Quin. Plus, like, the entire thread since the post.

DO NOT try to put this on me, like I want to do this. DH and LoRab know how I am. That would not be pretty. Don't you imply I am voluntarily bussing my teammate, please.

insertnamehere wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I think I am having a problem getting past the Lucille and Negan imagery, tbh. I started to write "lol" but not so sure it is a lol. It's hard to trust a grinning Negan saying, "Maybe you're right".

Is this something you were doing in your other thread, too?
It's something he's been doing literally nonstop.

I vacillate hourly on whether it's charming, annoying, or unsettling.

I am gonna vote "unsettling".

And as far as I know, no, no one did find an idol. If they did they did not say it, either in thread or in BTSC. Both Epi & LC went exploring but did not say if they found anything, and Faraday said he found a shell, I think. None of us ever even took a nap, we mostly worked.

And I am assuming YOU all want to lynch Quin, since that is what all of you have been saying. I am "excluding him from my vision of the future" since I feel fucking horrible for throwing him under the bus for, basically, living in Australia. But I don't want to die, Faraday is the doctor, and you four are a monolith, right?

I already feel like shit, you want to rub my nose in it, too?

Who do YOU want to lynch?

I think I am having a problem getting past the Lucille and Negan imagery, tbh. I started to write "lol" but not so sure it is a lol. It's hard to trust a grinning Negan saying, "Maybe you're right".

Is this something you were doing in your other thread, too?

OK, I am gonna bite the bullet here and do what I have to do for the good of all of us going forward. New peeps are now part of Atamai and Atamai FTW. While the people I would have preferred to lynch from original Atamai are all, I'm going to guess, over at mamama lynching *your* former teammates, for us to be able to pull together and win every challenge from here on in, we need to be cohesive.

I don't want to lose another person after this, any of the *SIX* of us remaining, not just Faraday and I, unless it is 100% necessary. We are going to win every immunity challenge.

I know what I am going to have to do in the end, and you need to do it too, Faraday, you know I am right.

Just an fyi, when we did the stone challenge, Faraday hated the idea of sending in a black stone, so negative, standing for self interest and greed (I would not be surprised if Golden or Eloh did/said something similar), but he did it becasue he understood the stakes.

I just want guarantees from the Newcomers that, going forward, we judge each circumstance on merit and value to the team, and not on where your original PM placed you on an imaginary map. I realize you all pledged to each other, and we did the same. And for the sake of peace you are asking us to break that pledge, and even in some cases with the gall to blame us for not liking it and trying to push back against the new majority. I am willing to do it. But I don't want to be faced with this voting bloc again presented as a given. Am I clear here? We'll cooperate, but we want some quid pro quo going forward.

Faraday, we have to be realistic and do what we have to do.

And INH, not so condescending, OK? You guys came over here, and have us by the shorts. We have to push back a little.

LoRab wrote:Yes, exactly. So saying that no one looked up considered any strategies is not an accurate statement.

I kind of meant it the other way, as a defense of Quin, but yeah, I see your point

And see, this is what I meant by hostility; not "hostile" per se, but both of our lynches were no brainers, a complete zero posts no show and a volunteer. We had no discussion or strife or accusations of *any* kind either time. I will think about it and do what is right for the tribe so going forward we can better come together.

I knew this was coming eventually, but I don't have to like it.

I did it right after Quin mentioned Battleship strategies.

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:LoRab, the only thing missing that distinguishes 'suggesting strategies' and saying 'there are strategies' is me copy and pasting the damn thing on the thread. I told you to find them and by the looks of it nobody actually did.
What makes you think that no one looked at strategies? The items were placed based on strategy and the items were searched for based on strategy. There are multiple strategies for battleship that exist. The strategies chosen may not be the ones you would have chosen. They may not even be the ones that you found in the article you read in the quick google search you did. But that doesn't mean that someone else didn't find an article in a different google search. SVS even posted an article (demonstrating that it's factually untrue that nobody actually did).

The difference between "suggesting strategies" and "there are strategies" is that clearly you had a particular strategy in mind, and you are not happy that it was not the strategy that was used. But no one had any way of knowing what your opinion was about which strategy you would have preferred based on the one you read about because you didn't say which one it was. Therefore, someone using a different strategy (whether known through a google search or through life and playing battleship and already knowing strategy that exists) cannot imply that they didn't act strategically.

And you cannot claim that you made suggestions of what strategy should be used. Until you said differently, there was no way for anyone to know that you wouldn't have done things in exactly the same way, based on what you had posted before you went to bed.
I don't care that the strategies I had in mind weren't used. Not once did I say that.

I copied and pasted a strategy in thread and was told that we should not do that since Epi would probably do that too.

Gotta go shower lol.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll answer you seriously. I think you're undervaluing my own contributions to the tribe. I wasn't here for the start of the challenge because I couldn't be. Otherwise, even while nobody else is here, I'm putting strategies forward and I'm putting my foot first to take care of the tribe.
I made no comments on your contributions, I wanted to let you have the floor before I did that. But you can't argue that what I said about SVS, INH, and myself taking charge of the challenge wasn't true.

It's possible you're right, and you do put strategies forward, and you do have the tribes best interest at heart. I'm a newcomer here, so I'd need to see that for myself or let you make your case.

While I have your attention, something's been nagging at me about the first challenge. From Scotty's write up, it sounded like DFaraday cost you guys the challenge. Scotty wrote that he "fell asleep" and that "the gap [left after the puzzle] was too much to make up."

So my question is, was that a 1-to-1 translation of what went down? And if so, why did you not, as a tribe, vote for DFaraday?

Because sig no showed. I have already said this. And all of us had trouble understanding the directions that day. And as I said, sig helped even less.

This is the first time we have had to do this type of thing.

I spent my lying in bed with my phone Mafia time reading GOC. So I may not post again for a few hours. When I saw that four of you were coming here I knew you were gonna pick us off first. It's what I would have done.

Eloh said she was sick, too, iirc. I was and so was Faraday. I believe Epi was healed yesterday.

I am at 16E, 8T and 13 H. And yeah. We also did a good job of supplying needs.

New people to Atamai, DH, LoRab, INH & Eloh~ did you have any hostile lynches/councils over there? We had one no show, sig, and MP basically volunteered to go. So we have not seen any strife.

Yeah, we were pretty good.

Poor Scotty, this must be a ton of work.

So is that it?

Awesome INH

Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I am gonna stay in 4 cause that's the only one where something has not been uncovered.
I think it's possible, but we don't want to get tricked into thinking that there's at least one in each quadrant.

Well, you never know. I will keep on in Q4, but that's just me. It's my assignment.

I am gonna stay in 4 cause that's the only one where something has not been uncovered.

Also post order for a new page:

DH
INH
Eloh
SVS
Lorab
DF
Quin

Yay LoRab!!

I don't see Eloh in here, so I will go next.

Squeeeee

Yay!! E1 was a hit

Pick there, Quin. D1, F1 or E2

Back to normal order

Survey says he is no longer here. Maybe you go. I think the lower left quadrant, the one next to us.

Current List:

DH
INH
Eloh
SVS
Lorab
DF
Quin

Faraday on Deck

I have DH and Quin

Quin wrote:All this talk of BTSC...nobody wants to talk to me little ol' me?

I will, it's been days.

Quin wrote:Lower right meaning Q4?

Yes. We are going diagonally for the most part.

Linki, thanks for the update, DH.

Linki, Lorab next

insertnamehere wrote:

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1  [A1] [XX] [C1] [D1]  [E1] [F1] [G1] [H1] 2
   [A2] [OO] [C2] [D2]  [E2] [F2] [XX] [H2]
   [A3] [OO] [XX] [D3]  [XX] [F3] [G3] [OO]
   [A4] [OO] [XX] [D4]  [E4] [F4] [G4] [XX]

3  [A5] [B5] [C5] [XX]  [XX] [F5] [G5] [XX] 4
   [A6] [B6] [C6] [XX]  [E6] [XX] [G6] [H6]
   [A7] [B7] [C7] [D7]  [E7] [F7] [G7] [H7]
   [A8] [B8] [C8] [D8]  [XX] [F8] [G8] [H8]

[XX] = MISS

[OO] = HIT

This is the grid ^^

LoRab wrote:Posting order so it's on this page:

DH
INH
Eloh
SVS
Lorab
DF

This is the order.

I think LoRab is set to help Eloh in lower left, so you can help me in lower right. We drill in if we get a hit. So we will put you in after Faraday:

DH
INH
Eloh
SVS
Lorab
DF
Quin

I am next I believe.

Linki, YAY!!!

Hi Quin

So far we found one object, the oar, and are mid finding a second.

Looks like h2

OK, NOW you are up, Eloh

Elohcin wrote:So I will pick H4 then...Is that alright?

H 2 or 4 or G3, yeah.

I do not have evening plans, fwiw. I can continue on if this goes past dinner time.

So now Faraday works on the INH grid, upper right, yes?

Me
INH
Eloh
SVS
Lorab
DF

Updated order

No, LoRab

Yes. Then Scotty replies to her, and THEN you go, based on the answers Scotty gives us.

And she is waiting on Scottys reply to me.

You go after me, I just went, we can decide your move based on what Scotty says.

DFaraday wrote:I'm here, not caught up. Someone tell me what to say.

Nothing now, we are covered, I think.

We found the oar so far. Not a lot of wasted moves.

Eloh is the chef so losing Sorsha is less of a blow. She is sick, too.

And DH is top left, Eloh is bottom left, INH is top right, I am bottom right, as DH's coordinate list says.

A1-D4 = DharmaHelper
A5-D8 = Elochin
E1-H4= INH
E5-H8 = SVS

Does Eloh go, or do I?

Elohcin wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:@Eloh If you're asking me if Lorab explained herself to my own personal satisfaction, the answer is yes. I can't speak for the tribe but the vote wasn't split very much at all. If it were up to me, the events of the last tribal would be water under the bridge.

Thanks very much for the kudos RE: the chart. Im also finding the visual makes understanding the game a little easier. Glad I could contribute. If you'd like to help, hopefully you've read up on the quadrant strategy and are willing to take the remaining quadrant under your wing (with Me, SVS, and INH having started on ours)
Water under the bridge it is. I trust you DH.

@SVS - yes, you gained a chef

Just to be thorogh, you want me to take the remaining quadrant and make guesses? Which quadrant would that be? Top left or right? Bottom left or right?

Bottom left, you follow INH. DH, INH, you, me.

INH is next.

Reposting for Scotty since we are chatting.

S~V~S wrote:C3

linki, I know, I was thinking aloud

We were lucky so far, we have had no strife in tribals. Sig was a total no show, and MP pretty much volunteered to go.

Naps ARE how you gain energy, then? We were not sure.

I am sick, Epi was sick, and Faraday was sick. I would prefer he tell you himself who the healer is. I don't see why he won't. But it is for him, not for me.

So we lost the fisherman, but gained a chef?

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